Spokesperson Matthew Miller leads the Department Press Briefing at the Department of State, on October 23, 2023.
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Good afternoon, everyone. I don't have any opening comments today. So Matt, I have lots
on my mind, lots to say, but I'll let you start with a question. I'll let you start
with a question first. What's on your mind? What do you have? What's on your mind? I want
you to start with a question. Can I can I can I go through just just two things real
brief and then we get into the Middle East. One, do you have anything on the extension
of the detention of the RFE reporter in Russia? I do. So I would say that we are deeply concerned
about her pretrial detention. We have requested consular access. So far, it has not been granted.
We will continue to press for it. And we have asked the Russian government for more information
on her situation. Okay. And is it correct? You still have not gotten any access? We have
not gotten we have not even been officially notified of her arrest by the Russian government,
but we are aware of the reports. And so because of that, we are communicating with her attorneys
and we have requested consular access. Okay. Secondly, on Turkey and Sweden, President
Erdogan submitted the bill to the Turkish parliament today to ratify Sweden's accession
to NATO. Do you have anything to say about that? Yeah, we welcome that step. Obviously,
we have been calling for ratification of Sweden's accession for some time, and we look forward
to that bill being considered in the Turkish parliament and passed as soon as possible.
Okay. Now on to the Middle East. I want to go back to something that the Secretary addressed
last week and over the – or tried to address. I'm not sure he actually did address it.
But that is the question of whether you guys believe that Israel has been so far in its
response to the attacks of October 7th, been responding in – been adhering to the international
rules, international laws of war, international humanitarian regulations. When the Secretary
said there'll be plenty of time to work that all out, does that mean that you guys have
not made any kind of a determination at all in terms of what they're doing?
No, we have not made any kind of formal determination, but it's a matter we're in close communication
with our Israeli counterparts. The President has discussed this with Israeli leadership,
the Secretary has discussed this with Israeli leadership, and we've talked about it publicly
– the fact that we believe it's important that Israel comply with all laws of war. That
is the responsibility of democracies, it's the responsibility of all countries, and we'll
continue to make that clear to them.
I do, as always when asked about this question, do think it's important to remind people
of the context, which is that Hamas continues to embed itself inside the civilian population.
Hamas continues to put legitimate military targets inside civilian infrastructure and
uses civilians of Gaza as human shields. We know that Israel does notify civilians when
it plans to conduct airstrikes, say, against residential buildings, and gives those civilians
an opportunity to vacate the premises. But we will continue to work through this question
with them.
Right. I'm not saying that any of that is not true. I'm just wondering if you guys
have made a – any kind of a determination, whether it's preliminary or not, about whether
the – I mean, there have been – granted, what happened on October 7th, absolutely horrific.
But in the response, there have been many, many civilian casualties. So you guys have
not yet made a determination?
We have not.
And when you say that you're talking about it with the Israelis, are you telling them
that you think that they've gone too far? Obviously, Hamas went –
We have not made that determination and we have not communicated that to the Israeli
Government. What we have said to the Israeli Government is the importance of when they
carry out their military operations, of doing so in a way that complies with international
law, and –
Yeah, yeah, but –
Let me add something. And doing so in a way that protects civilian lives to the maximum
extent possible.
Okay. But do you think that they've done that so far?
That is the – that is what we have called on them to do. I am not in a position to sit
here and assess every single strike from this podium. As the Secretary –
I don't think anyone's asking you to assess every single strike, but –
Let me – as the Secretary said, there'll be plenty of ability to assess that.
Is there reason to be – is there reason to be concerned?
Obviously, there is reason to be concerned. Every time there's a civilian death, we
mourn the loss of every civilian death, whether it be a Palestinian civilian or whether it
be an Israeli civilian. But again, you have to look at these strikes and you have to look
at their operations in the context that I just said, where you have legitimate military
targets that are embedded in civilian infrastructure. So it is a very extremely unfortunate byproduct
of this campaign that there are civilians that are unfortunately harmed and civilians
that are killed, which is why we're working to establish areas inside Gaza where civilians
can be safe from harm.
All right. Understood. Last one. In terms of the release of hostages, it is correct,
right, that you guys are still working with the Qataris, the Egyptians, the Turks, the
Israelis, whoever, to get more of the hostages out. Is there any update you can provide us
on that?
The only update I can provide, I will say that from the opening hours or the immediate
aftermath of the terrorist attacks of October 7th, one of the top priorities for the United
States government, one of the top priorities for Secretary Blinken has been to secure the
release of all hostages held inside Gaza. It was one of the-as you remember, as you
were on the Secretary's recent trip through the region, it was something he raised in
every one of his meetings, most particularly in his meeting with Qatari counterparts, and
it's something he's continued to raise. He spoke with the prime minister of Qatar
yesterday to thank him for his help, for Qatar's help in securing the release of two hostages
on Friday. And it continues to be one of our top priorities to secure the release of other
hostages.
As for any details, we don't-because of the delicate and very sensitive nature of
this entire issue, we don't find it productive to our objective to secure the release to
talk about it-to talk about the details publicly, but it is something we are actively working
on.
Thank you.
Can I get a follow-up on that?
Let me go to-I'll go to Humeyra and then-
Matt, there's been a lot of reporting that U.S. Government is basically trying to hold
off the Israeli ground offensive, and I know that from various U.S. officials it's been
said that you're not trying to tell them how to do or, like, what to do, when to do. But,
I mean, can I just ask you, is the United States advising Israel to hold off on the
ground operation?
I'm not going to get into the details of our private conversations with the Israeli
Government, with the Israeli leadership. What I'll say, in all of our conversations, we
continue to talk to them about the importance of having meaningful goals, meaningful objectives,
and a plan to achieve those objectives. We've been engaging at a number of levels. The Pentagon
has been engaging in military-to-military channels about what their operations might
look like. But beyond that, I wouldn't want to go into details other than to say that
ultimately these are decisions that Israel has to make.
Right. But you can't also deny that that's not what you're doing either.
I don't want to say anything other than what I just said about our private conversations.
Right. Do you know – do you know, based on the intense conversations that the Secretary
has had and President Biden has had, do you know if Israel is ready to go ahead with its
ground offensive?
Again, those are decisions that Israel has to make for itself. They are the country that
suffered this brutal terrorist attack and is suffering ongoing terrorist attacks from
Gaza. Rockets continue to launch from Gaza, targeting Israeli civilians. So these are
decisions that they have to make. We are in close consultation with them, but I don't
want to speak to those private conversations.
Can I just follow up real quick?
Go, Sean.
I'll work around. Go ahead, Sean.
Just briefly, tied to that, Joseph Burrell, the EU foreign policy chief, said that he
expects EU leaders to work toward a call for a humanitarian pause in what's happening
in Gaza to bring in some aid. Is the United States in conversations with the Europeans
about that? And would the United States support such a call?
We are in conversations with the Europeans about this question of getting humanitarian
aid in, and we are in conversations with the Government of Israel and the Government of
Egypt about how best to get humanitarian aid in. But I think with this question, whether
you call it a pause or whether you call it a ceasefire, you have to think about what
that would mean in this context, when Israel has suffered this terrorist attack and Israel
continues to suffer ongoing terrorist attacks. There are rockets, as I said a moment ago,
that continue to be launched from Gaza, targeting Israel. Any ceasefire would give Hamas the
ability to rest, to refit, and to get ready to continue launching terrorist attacks against
Israel.
You can understand perfectly clearly why that's an intolerable situation for Israel, as it
would be an intolerable situation for any country that has suffered such a brutal terrorist
attack and continues to see the terrorist threat right on its borders.
So while we – what we will continue to do with respect to this question is focus on
getting humanitarian assistance in to Gaza. We've seen deliveries go in for the past
three days, and our special envoy on the ground, David Satterfield, is working intensively
to establish ongoing mechanisms for the delivery of humanitarian assistance. And we're working
to establish places where civilians can be safe from harm inside Gaza.
And has there been communique to the Europeans as it does –
We have had those – in all of our diplomatic conversations, I think we've been pretty
clear about our policy.
Go ahead, Jen.
Thanks, Matt. On the hostages who were released last week, do you have any updates on how
they're doing, their status? Will they be coming back to the United States?
In terms of their – of their – both their medical status or what their travel situation
might be, I will let them speak to that. I don't think it should be the position
of – or the business of the United States Government to speak to what private individual
citizens have to do.
But they're still in Israel?
Yeah, I will say that the Secretary had the chance to speak to them on Saturday, found
them to be in good condition, in good spirits in his conversation. As to whether they intend
to stay or travel back, I'll let them speak to that.
And then on the Rafa crossing negotiations, where is Satterfield right now?
Last I checked, at – I guess it's around 8.30 Israel time, he is in Israel. He has
been involved, as I said, in conversations with the Government of Israel and with the
Government of Egypt about trying to effectuate two things.
Number one, to get sustained aid into – to Gaza through Rafa. We saw the first convoy
of trucks go on Saturday. We saw a second convoy of trucks go on Sunday. There was a
third convoy that went in today. And he's been working on a sustained delivery mechanism.
I said with the Government of Israel and the Government of Egypt. I should have also
mentioned with the United Nations, to ensure that humanitarian aid can continue to flow
in.
And then at the same time, he's been working with those two governments and with the UN
to ensure that the U.S. civilians who are in Rafa – or in Gaza, who are stuck there,
as well as other foreign nationals, can come out through the Rafa crossing.
And then lastly, on the use of Tikkun Huthi attacks towards Israel, do you see them as
actually targeting Israel? And do you see Iran as directing these attacks or just facilitating
them?
So I wouldn't – I don't want to speak to assessment of what they might be targeting.
I'll leave it to the Pentagon to offer any assessments that they have on that question.
I will say that we are concerned about an increase in attacks by Iranian proxies in
the region, whether they be targeting U.S. interests or whether they be targeting other
interests in the region. We hold Iran accountable for those attacks. And as the Secretary said
yesterday when he was interviewed, it's something that we are preparing for and are
ready to respond to if necessary.
So you see Iran as directing these?
I didn't say they're directing – whether they're directing them or not, these are
militias that they have sponsored and they are responsible for them.
Go ahead.
Okay, I'll come to you, Said. Don't – go ahead.
I wanted to clarify on your answer to Matt about the assessment or not assessment of
compliance with international law. Are you saying that without making a legal determination
you're basically assuming that when the Israelis strike in Gaza they are hitting military
targets, even though they've essentially destroyed Gaza City with their most unprecedented
airstrike campaign?
I am going to use – I'm going to use my own words, and I can restate them. But the
words I used, which are – you have to remember the context in which Israel is carrying out
those strikes, and that is against an opponent, a terrorist organization that has embedded
its infrastructure inside civilian – inside civilian buildings, in schools, in hospitals,
under schools, under hospitals, inside residential apartment buildings. So Israel has a legitimate
military – has a legitimate right to carry out military obligations targeting a foreign
terrorist organization. It should do that in a way that minimizes to the maximum extent
possible civilian harm, and that's what we've made clear to them.
Go ahead.
Follow-up on Qatar. Is the U.S. hoping that Qatar is going to play a role in releasing
further hostages?
Absolutely. We have made that clear publicly. We have talked – as I said, really since
the immediate aftermath of the attacks on October 7th, one of the first calls the Secretary
made was to the prime minister of Qatar. We then had a follow-up meeting in Qatar during
his trip to the region where we talked about if there was anything that Qatar could do
to secure the release of hostages, we would welcome them doing that. You heard the Secretary
thank the Government of Qatar for their work when he stood at this podium on Friday, and
we continue to work with Qatar to try to secure the release of all hostages.
What is – sorry, what is the State Department's assessment about, I guess, what is in it for
Qatar? Why is this in their interest to help us secure the American hostages?
Qatar is a longtime partner of ours who has responded to our request because I think they
believe that innocent civilians ought to be freed.
One last question, if I may. Tomorrow, what is the Secretary hoping to – what is he
hoping to see happen at the UN tomorrow?
I will defer that question until tomorrow. Our work with regards to what happens at the
United Nations is still ongoing.
There are some reports that the Red Cross is on its way to retrieving 50 dual nationals
in southern Gaza. Have you seen those reports, and can you confirm truth?
I've seen those reports. I can't confirm them. Again, because this is such a delicate
– I'm sorry, I cannot confirm them. I cannot – I thought I said can't, but I might have misspoke.
I cannot confirm them. Again, because this is such a delicate situation when we're
talking about actual lives at stake here, I don't think it's productive for us to
talk about any of the details of our work. But we do want to see all the hostages released.
We want to see them released unconditionally, and we want to see them released as soon as possible.
I understand all of those things, including the delicacy surrounding the discussions,
but can you – what can you say about what Hamas may be getting for the release of these hostages?
Can you confirm, first of all, that they're making specific demands for their release?
As far as I'm aware, Hamas is not getting anything in return for the release of these hostages.
No safe haven, no money, no prisoner exchanges. They're doing it –
No, no. They're – we have not released any prisoners. The governor of Israel has
not released any prisoners. I'm not aware of any intention to release any prisoners.
We have called on Hamas to do this because they should not be holding innocent civilians
hostage – not just men, but women, children, elderly people. And we've impressed upon
all of our partners who have relationships with Hamas or have influence with Hamas that
they should use that influence to the maximum extent possible to press for the release of
all these hostages.
So to be clear, you're not aware that Hamas is getting anything via third parties or anybody
else in exchange for the release of the hostages today?
No.
Over the weekend, Secretary Blinken said that Hamas was blocking the exit of American citizens
in Gaza through Rafa. What leverage does the U.S. have – first of all, are there
conversations going on with Hamas about securing the release of those American citizens in Gaza?
So let me back up and say what it – explain what is it happened, and then I'll get to
the question. So Rafa gate opened for the first time on Saturday to allow the delivery
of humanitarian assistance in. There were a number of civilians, some American citizens,
but I think also other civilians, foreign nationals of other countries, who came to
the Gaza side of the Rafa crossing to attempt to get out. We were in conversation with
the Government of Egypt, as we have been for some time, about being able to process those
American citizens if they were able to get through the Gaza side and to the Egyptian
side of the crossing. None of them were able to because the reports we were given on the
ground is that Hamas was there blocking anyone from coming through the gate from the Gaza
side out to the Egyptian side.
So we are not in direct conversation with Hamas, but we have been sending messages to
Hamas through a number of partners – I think I'll leave it at that – that we do want
to see American citizens able to leave through the Rafa crossing.
Is that through the Qataris or somebody else?
I don't want to get into the details of it.
Okay. Is there any expectation that you might see movement on that front?
I don't want to say an expectation, but it is our very sincere hope that they would be
able to leave in the coming days. It's something that Ambassador Satterfield is working intensively
on. As I said, he's working to get aid going in through the Rafa crossing and American
citizens and other foreign nationals coming out.
I have questions on other topics.
On Rafa, yes, the third convoy has gone in. Israeli officials have noted, other publications
have noted that you need upwards of 1,100 truck deliveries per week. Is the U.S. expecting
that the pace of aid delivery is going to ramp up? I have a couple of follow-ups.
We are working on a sustained mechanism to ensure that aid comes through the Rafa crossing
consistently. You're right that we do not think the delivery of one convoy, two convoys,
three convoys is sufficient. We want to see sustained traffic going through Rafa, delivering
humanitarian assistance. And the exact mechanism of how we do that is something that Ambassador
Satterfield has been working on with the Government of Egypt, the Government of Israel, and the
United Nations.
Haaretz is reporting that Hamas –
Who is – who is –
Haaretz –
Okay.
– is reporting that Hamas wants to see fuel deliveries coming in. You have hospitals inside
Gaza saying that they need fuel specifically to keep the hospitals operating. Israel, understandably,
does not want fuel going in because of the high risk of diversion. What can be done to
ameliorate the suffering of people inside Gaza if the Israelis have a legitimate view
that the fuel could be used to launch further attacks against them?
That is an issue that we are discussing now with Israeli authorities. The humanitarian
organizations that are operating inside Gaza to distribute the humanitarian assistance
that we have flowing in from Rafa need to have the ability to do so. They need fuel
to be able to do so. Fuel is important to the desalination of water. It's important
to the provision of medical care. As you said, the Israelis do have legitimate concerns about
the diversion of any fuel to Hamas. You can understand why they would be concerned about
that, and so that's one of the issues that Ambassador Satterfield is working through.
And then finally, there's also some reporting that apparently Turkey has expelled a Hamas
political leader. Who is this person? Was this person expelled on the U.S.'s advice?
Do you know where this person is? How significant is this?
I've seen those reports. I don't have any information about them at this time.
Thank you.
Go ahead.
Thank you, Matt. You said that Hamas embeds itself among the civilian population and they
use hospitals and schools to launch attacks. So is this a U.S. intelligence assessment
applies to this current war that actually the rockets that have been fired are from
hospitals and schools?
I'm not speaking to any specific intelligence assessment about a rocket that's been fired
in the past few days, but it is long – it is longstanding knowledge, not just from U.S.
assessments but from other assessments, that Hamas does embed its infrastructure inside
civilian populations.
Okay. By definition, you define Hamas as a terrorist organization. You actually design
them as a terrorist organization, so you don't expect them to abide by any rules. But the
United States does, because you respect international law and you hold human rights very high up.
So how do you assure civilians in Gaza that the United States is doing everything possible
to make sure that the casualties that we have seen, the 5,000 of the civilians, that actually
you did everything possible to make sure that we're not going to see another death climbing
up with this number? And can you confirm among this 5,000, do you have any estimate of how
many Hamas fighters were killed?
I do not have those estimates. But in terms of what the United States has done, let me
just point you to the work that we have been doing in the past week. The Secretary traveled
extensively through the region. At the end of that trip, he returned to Israel after
meeting with Arab leaders to work with Israel to develop a plan to get humanitarian assistance
in and to establish safe areas inside Gaza where civilians could go to be safe from harm.
And so there was a great deal of work by the Secretary first, and then by the President
of the United States, who flew to Israel to cement that agreement with Prime Minister
Netanyahu, and then in a phone conversation from Air Force One on his way home with President
al-Sisi of Egypt. So the United States has been working overtime, first at the Secretary's
level, then at the President, and most recently with Ambassador Satterfield, who is on the
ground, to ensure that we are getting humanitarian assistance in for – to civilians inside
Gaza, that we are establishing these safe areas where they can be safe from harm. And
then, as I said, we've made clear on a number of occasions with – both publicly and in
our conversations with our Israeli counterparts – that their military operations need to
be carried out in a way that, to the maximum extent possible, protects civilians from harm.
Said.
Sorry, I have two more quickly. One is the UN saying that basically more than 50 percent
of Gaza's homes have been destroyed, so that means 1 million-plus are homeless.
So what's the next plan for – I mean, we're talking now about humanitarian aid
getting into Rafah crossing, but we're talking about 1 million people who cannot go back
to their homes. Is this any plan? What's the prospect for them? Where are they going
to go?
Again, we are working with Israel to develop a mechanism to – or to develop safe areas
inside Gaza where civilians can be protected from harm. We're also working with Israel
to develop a mechanism that would help protect medical facilities, humanitarian sites, including
areas of civilian shelter, UN facilities, distribution points, including for water and
crossing points, and humanitarian convoys that include supplies and our people. So we
are – actively work on that question, knowing that, again, you have to remember the context.
Israel was the victim of a horrific terrorist attack. They have the right, they have the
obligation to defend themselves, to defend themselves militarily as any country would
against a terrorist organization that launched that attack. But in that context, we are working
with Israel to ensure that civilians are protected to the greatest extent possible and humanitarian
aid can flow to them.
And can you tell us about –
One more, and then let me go to Said.
Yeah, sure. Can you tell us about a meeting the Secretary had with the Arab and Muslim
community in the State Department today? A meeting taking place?
Yes. The Secretary has met – either has met or is meeting this afternoon today with
leaders of the Palestinian and Arab American communities, as well as meeting with Jewish
American community groups.
Just to follow up on the kind of questions that have already been asked. Now, you're
saying that Israel has a legitimate – whatever – to strike anywhere that they feel that
Hamas fighters might be there, suppose, assuming that you have Hamas fighters or Hamas operatives
in every single building in Gaza. So they have the right to strike every single building
in Gaza?
I don't want to go into assumptions or hypotheticals. I will say – I'll repeat what I said before,
which is if there is a legitimate – if there is a legitimate – I'm not – no, I'm
not granting your assumption. If there's a legitimate military target, they have the
right to strike it, yes, in doing so in a way that to the maximum extent possible minimizes
civilian harm.
So let me ask you about a specific target, Al-Quds Hospital, Al-Quds Hospital in Gaza,
one of the biggest hospitals and so on. Israel has been asking people to vacate it. There
are people on the houses. There are sick people that cannot sleep and so on. Do you consider
that to be a legitimate target of Israel? It deems it necessary to strike it?
So again, I don't know the situation. I'm not in a position – Said, don't interrupt.
Let me finish. I'm not in a position to sit here and offer an assessment from this
podium of whether there is Hamas infrastructure embedded in that hospital or not. I will say
that as a general – the general principle that I have outlined stands, which is that
they have a right to strike legitimate military targets, do so in a way that minimizes civilian
harm. But as I just said, we are working to develop a mechanism to help protect medical
facilities and other humanitarian sites.
Okay. The president the other day said that Hamas must pay a price. Now, we have had 5,000
killed. We don't know exactly how many people did. There may be another 1,000 under the
rubble and so on. Among them, it is alleged that 2,100, 2,200 children and so on were
killed. What is the price? What ought to be the price? Do you have, like, a figure
that you can throw out, or anyone, any expert can have a figure on what that price ought
to be?
Let me say two things about that. Number one, you mentioned the loss of civilian life and
most acutely the loss of children who have died. I think you heard the Secretary speak
to this yesterday on television, which is that we mourn the loss of every civilian life
equally. He spoke to this, I think, quite personally yesterday, that when he sees civilians
who have died, children who have died, whether they be Palestinians, whether they be Israelis,
he feels the loss of all those civilians, and he feels them equally, that every life
has equal worth, whether they be Israeli, whether they be Palestinian, whether they
be from any other country. So that is where we start from as an operating principle.
That said, Israel has the right to conduct military operations. You talked, asked what
the question is, what the price. Israel's goal is not, or the goal that Israel has announced
is undertaking is to prevent Hamas from being able to operate inside Gaza with impunity
any longer, for Gaza to be a safe haven where it can continue to launch deadly terrorist
attacks against Israel. We think that is a legitimate goal. It is the kind of goal we
would have as the United States. It's the goal that any country would have if it had
a terrorist organization operating in such close proximity to major population centers
with a history, a demonstrated history, in the last two weeks of launching such deadly
attacks.
On the West Bank, my last question. Israel attacked a mosque from the air, bombed a mosque,
killing two people, what, about three people, saying that they were – it was a preemptive
strike to prevent a terror attack. Do you agree with that? Do you believe the Israelis
–
Again, I cannot offer an assessment about any individual strike from this podium. I
will say – I will say the general principle stands, is that we support Israel's ability
to launch strikes targeting legitimate military objectives. That includes places where Hamas
or other militants, other terrorist organizations are operating, and we expect them to do so
in line with international law.
Are you concerned about the West Bank going – completely deteriorating the situation?
We have great concerns about instability in the region, including in the West Bank. We've
made those concerns clear. The Secretary made those concerns clear as he traveled the region
last week.
Okay.
Alex, go ahead.
Thanks, Robert.
Let's stick with Israel. Regarding military support for Ukraine, there are media speculations
that some of the weapons that U.S. is planning to send to Israel have been originally allocated
for Ukraine or you are planning to send to Ukraine. Is there any validity to those concerns?
So I can't speak to individual weapon systems before we've announced what we're providing
to Israel as a result of its request, and of course with specific drawdown packages
that we will make to Ukraine in the future. I will say as a general principle there is
very little overlap between what Israel has requested and what it needs and what Ukraine
has requested and what it needs. And to the extent there is any overlap, we are going
to work as hard as we can to make sure that we can supply both countries what it needs
to defend itself. But as the President made clear last week, that also means that we need
Congress to act to pass the supplemental request that we have sent up.
Thank you.
Separate topic. Iran today is hosting five-nation summit. Do you have any reaction to the summit,
any expectation, as Turkey and Russia are part of it and also they are discussing Armenia
as a part of it? Any comment on that?
So with respect to the Armenia-Azerbaijan question of it, we welcome any good-faith
engagements that contribute to peace and stability for the people of the South Caucasus, regardless
of where those talks happen or who is hosting them. But that being said, we recognize the
South Caucasus' delicate geographic position regarding Iran and Russia, but we have not
found these countries to be reliable partners to understate matters.
Next time. My final question, just to go back to original question Matt asked about
Ira Feller reporter. Can you give us a little bit sense of the communication channels you
have used so far to reach out to Russia and to ask for details about her arrest? Has the
ambassador been invited?
I'm not going to say specifically, but there have been channels from our embassy in Moscow
to the Russian Government.
Thank you. Do you have a deadline on the Russians? This is about a U.S. citizen, a mother of
two, and who actually, by the way, to Russia or —
We obviously want to see consular assistance – consular access granted as soon as possible.
Are you considering an illegal action if Russia does not get back to you?
I wouldn't want to preview any steps we would take.
Let us know actions on any of these.
Again, I never want to preview any steps we take before we might take them.
Thank you.
Go ahead, Elizabeth.
Just to check, on the up to 600 Americans in Gaza, how many have notified the State
Department that they want to depart, or is it your understanding that at least a majority
want to leave?
I don't have an exact number. It's a subset of that number that has been in contact with
us with requesting information. We have supplied information to some of those. There have been
periods where we thought RAFA might open and might be — it might be possible for United
States citizens to transit out of Gaza through RAFA, and we've provided to them.
But it's always hard to know what number of the American citizens who have requested
information for us at any given time actually want to leave. We are supplying information
to everyone who — because in this situation — this isn't a situation, say, for example,
where we're providing charter flights out, where we know, you know, X person wants to
get on the charter flight at this date. It's a much more fluid situation. So we have a
list of Americans who have registered with us, and when we have any information about
the possibility of transiting outside of Gaza, we're providing it to all of them.
Okay. And then, given the Israeli concerns about the fuel being repurposed for military
activities, have you seen any evidence of Hamas diverting the initial aid deliveries?
So we have been in conversation with the United Nations about this. United Nations
agencies are the ones who are delivering the humanitarian assistance once it gets into
Gaza. And to this date, they have not reported to us any signs of diversion.
Thanks, Matthew. Can you confirm that China's Foreign Minister Wang Yi is expected to visit
Washington this week?
I don't have any announcements to make, but stay tuned.
And will the United States reconsider Qatar's major non-NATO ally status if it fails to
deliver on hostage negotiations?
Qatar has already been – has already been quite productive in helping with the release
of two hostages. The Secretary thanked them for that work. That work is ongoing as it
pertains to the other hostages that remain. So we are quite appreciative of the work that
they have done, and that work is ongoing.
And how is the U.S. and its partners ensuring that none of the aid to Gaza falls in Hamas's
hands?
Again, the United Nations is responsible for the delivery of humanitarian assistance to
civilians inside Gaza once it transits over the Rafah crossing into Gaza. They have another
number of mechanisms that they have set up to ensure that it doesn't – that it does
go to civilians. But they are watching very closely. We are watching very closely to see
any signs of diversion to Hamas. As the President has said publicly, if Hamas does divert any
of that aid, it would jeopardize the delivery of future tranches of aid. So it is very important
that if Hamas really does support the Palestinian civilian population, as it claims to do, that
they not divert this aid.
And finally, what –
Let me – I'm going to walk around.
Okay.
Shannon, go ahead.
Thanks so much. One more follow-up on the Rafah crossing and the hundreds of Americans
that are still in Gaza. Now, does the State Department feel that if Hamas was not able
to stop them from leaving, would they be allowed to leave, or is it multifactorial? Is Egypt
still holding it up?
We do believe that Egypt is ready to process American citizens if they can make it to Egyptian
authorities. Hamas just has to stop blocking their exit.
And a quick follow-up to that, does that extend to their immediate family members as well?
We are working on trying to get American citizens, their family members, and other foreign nationals
out. That's a – it is an ongoing conversation and an ongoing process, but that is our goal.
And if these Americans are being detained by Hamas, if they're being prevented from
leaving, are they in a similar camp as the hostages? Will the State Department reevaluate
these cases if they can't leave?
So they're in a different situation that the hostages are being held captive by Hamas,
right? They're – are detained and not being – are not allowed to go free. These
other American citizens are able to move freely inside Gaza but have been unable to leave.
So we're working to –
No, I get – no, I'm not trying to – I am not at all trying to minimize the situation,
but it's why we are working to get them out of Gaza. It is a – it is just factually
a different situation than being held under armed guard as a captive. But nevertheless –
Do you know that these other guards – I'm not suggesting that they're not, but how
do you know –
They're being –
How do you – how do you –
Let me put it –
How do you know what the conditions of their captivity is, the hostages?
Let me put it this –
As opposed to –
I mean, a person who wasn't taken from southern Israel and is in Gaza but is still
not allowed to leave because Hamas is blocking them, as you said, aren't they also under
armed guard?
They are being – they are –
I mean, maybe not, like, right next to them, but –
They are through force of arms being prevented from leaving Gaza, absolutely. It's a deplorable
–
So –
Hold on. It's a deplorable situation. It's why we're working to try and get them out.
I'm not trying to minimize the situation at all. I'm just saying factually it's
a different situation than people that were taken hostage out of Israel, dragged into
Gaza and – you're right, I can't speak to the specific conditions, but Hamas is a
terrorist organization. I don't think they're standing outside their door. Just –
No, I'm not suggesting that they are.
You can leave freely if you'd like.
I just – I think it's interesting that you're making a distinction because if you're
being prevented from leaving, you are, like, captive.
It is a factual distinction in the condition they are in, able to move around Gaza freely
versus not able to move around Gaza.
But you don't –
No –
Do you know that they're free to move around Gaza?
We know that there are a number of American citizens who are free to move around Gaza.
They – hold on, let me just –
Well, they have moved from, like, what, four miles from the – close to the Rafah crossing
to where they're staying.
They can move around Gaza. There have been at times when we've said Rafah is likely
to open. They've moved towards the crossing, so yes, they are.
Okay.
They cannot get to – they cannot get through the terminal.
The distinction is that they're not being held in, like, a basement or something like
that.
Yes, exactly.
They are.
Exactly. Exactly.
Okay.
Were you finishing?
Yeah.
Just on the number, do you anticipate the State Department – understanding, of course,
that it's a fluid situation, but give at least the ballpark of Americans in Gaza that
the State Department is communicating with?
I just don't have an exact number. I'm happy to follow up on it.
Follow up.
Go ahead.
Thank you.
On the militia group's attacks on the U.S. forces in Iraq, do you hold Iraqi Government
accountable for these attacks on U.S. forces in Iraq? And then will there be any response
to them?
I will say that these attacks – you heard the Secretary speak to this – on U.S. forces,
on U.S. interests in the region is something that we're greatly concerned about. And
without getting into too many specifics, we are taking steps to ensure that we have the
ability to prepare for those attacks and the ability to respond if appropriate.
And yesterday, you updated the Travel Advisory for Iraq, and also you ordered departure of
eligible personnel in both U.S. embassy in Baghdad and also consulate general in Erbil.
Are you concerned about attacking on your diplomatic mission in Iraq? And then do you
think that the Iraqi Government is not doing enough to protect your diplomatic mission
in the country?
So first of all, let me say that the U.S. embassy in Baghdad and the consulate general
in Erbil remain open. We remain committed to our longstanding strategic partnership
with Iraq, and we'll continue to work through our embassy and our consulate there to strengthen
that partnership. But yes, obviously, we are concerned about the safety and security
of American citizens and American interests all throughout the region. That's why we
raised the – that's why we have raised the travel advisories in places. It's why
we effectuated the order of departure of some non-emergency personnel and family members,
and it's something that we continue to monitor very closely, not just in Iraq but throughout
the region.
Go ahead.
The Palestinian House of Ministers said that hundreds, including children, have been missing
under the rubble in Gaza. Are you considering sending any rescue teams to save these people
trapped under the rubble?
I don't think we have the ability to send rescue teams into the site of an armed conflict
right now where you have Hamas terrorist – the Hamas terrorist organization holding ground
and legitimate attacks by Israeli security forces. I don't think we're in the position
that we could send United States rescue teams into that sort of situation.
And second, do you have any update on the ongoing situation on the borders with Lebanon?
I don't, other than that we continue to see attacks by Hezbollah across the border,
and we've seen, of course, Israel respond to those attacks. One of the things that the
Secretary made clear in his region is that we are concerned about the possibility of
escalation of the conflict. We are concerned about the possibility of the conflict moving
from Gaza to north – to southern Lebanon. And so we continue to make very clear our
messages to anyone in the region who is hostile to Israel that if they are considering attacks,
they should reconsider them, and that's why the President ordered the deployment of
two carrier strike groups to the eastern Mediterranean.
Go ahead.
Thank you, Matt. In the aftermath of the barbaric attack on Israel by Hamas and Palestinian
terrorists, with great anguish from loss as well as with the rise of Jew hatred in America,
how can President Biden justify saying on one hand that he fully supports Israel and
condemns terrorism, while on the other hand supporting humanitarian aid to the terrorist
regime of Iran, Palestinian terrorists, terrorist organizations of Palestinian authority, and
UN agency UNRWA? And a follow-up.
So the simple matter is we do not support the provision of humanitarian aid to terrorist
organizations. And we make a very important distinction between the terrorist organization
Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, any other terrorist organizations who are operating
in that region, and the Palestinian people and other innocent civilians who themselves
are often the victims of terrorism. So we have made clear that while we support Israel's
right to defend itself against terrorism, we want to do everything we can to protect
innocent civilians, innocent Palestinian civilians, and that's why we support getting humanitarian
assistance to them.
Okay. Well, thank you, Matt. With all of the Jew hatred unleashed in the past two weeks,
what more can State Department do to get the facts about the Middle East to more Americans
and the world?
Well, I stand here every day that I'm not traveling and hold briefings. The Secretary
has had a number of conversations with the media, and we will continue to do so to make
our policies clear about all these questions.
Yeah, I was just going to say – okay.
Go ahead. We're going to take two more on the next one. Go ahead.
Thank you, Matt. On Bangladesh.
Thank you.
Bangladesh's political situation escalated ahead of the opposition ground release scheduled
for October 28th. The regime is on action to obstruct their rally, including arresting,
framing charges, and trials now ruling well into the night. According to Human Rights
Watch report day before yesterday, the ruling Prime Minister Hasina herself inciting violence
and her cabinet ministers, including Thais, involved the use of Russian uranium against
opposition leaders. How does the State Department view this allegation and what actions, if
any, is the United States considering to address the democratic rights of the people of Bangladesh?
I don't think I have anything to say about that specific allegation. We are closely monitoring
developments in Bangladesh leading up to the elections. It's important for free and fair
elections that all stakeholders are able to participate peacefully. That includes government
officials, law enforcement, political parties, the Election Commission, the media, and of
course voters themselves. And we will continue to call on all stakeholders to respect the
rule of law and to refrain from violence, harassment, and intimidation.
One more very quick. Referring to the recent meeting with the National Security Advisor,
Bangladesh ruling Prime Minister claimed that she told the National Security Advisor why
U.S. is asking their embassy personnel security from the Law Enforces Agency as U.S. is impose
sanctions on their security forces. And Ambassador Peter Hush expressed concern not only for his
security, the embassy personnel. You many times asked from this podium to uphold the Vienna
Convention. So what is your comment on this? So I will say it again, which is that under the
Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, Bangladesh has obligations to take all appropriate
steps with respect to protecting diplomatic premises and personnel. And the United States
values its relationship with Bangladesh, and we expect the government will take all appropriate
actions to maintain the safety and security of all U.S. missions and diplomatic personnel
in the country. Do you have one more? Then we'll finish up.
I'm just wondering if you comment you made a short while ago about monitoring for
potential Hamas diversion of the humanitarian aid. Could you clarify that process? Just –
So I don't want to speak to it in detail. I will say that the UN, which is the agency that is
delivering the aid, is doing monitoring, and then we have other mechanisms to monitor that I don't
think I can speak to. So I'll end it there. Thank you.