Is K Pop Becoming Too Americanized? (JungKook)

is bts's junguk becoming a typical American F boy in his recent songs is that good or bad for Asian representation because not all BTS fans are happy about it I'll tell you this man this is a debate on the internet because you know who's killing it on the internet streams is junkook so make sure you like subscribe and turn your notifications because I think this is a larger discussion about just Asians assimilating to Western standards uh is it good is it bad what are the pros and cons because a lot lot of people Andrew feel a lot of different ways so make sure you like subscribe and turn on your notifications because we're breaking it down on the hot pop boys yeah but uh you know what's also killing it on the Internet it's smalla sauce check out the Instagram at smalla sauce you'll see all the content that we're producing Foodies and chefs alike really no Andrew both soft boys and F boys and soft girls and F girls like SMA get it.com everybody loves it Andrew this is uh so many posts there's so many posts we could go on so many different forums I'm going to focus on one particular Reddit post that is based around Asian male representation he says junkook is getting the F boy Vibe with tattoos and American Style music this is part of bts's growth philosophy they've been in the game for so long Andrew a lot of people are talking about Justin Bieber Justin Timberlake they went through this thing where they were perceived one way good boys goody good boys maybe even Christian boys but then they became Bad Boys edgy boys doing things that are adult boys and they're reflecting it in the music and a lot of people like it but a lot of people don't like it yeah I mean I feel like longtime BTS fans are having one of two reactions this is from the longtime BTS fan Bas it's like wow we're glad to see him evolve and then there's another side that's like no that's not the June cook that I know let's be honest though it seems like the ones that are more happy to see June cook evolve and do songs with rappers white artists black American artists uh are more the white and black K-pop fans and more listen guys this is just what I think more of the Asian Asian fans whether they're fans in English speaking Asia or just Asia they're the ones being like junkook you're being a bad degenerate Western person and then I feel like a lot of Asian guys who are not huge K-pop fans are just like I don't know I'm glad to see it I don't know Jun Cook's cool he's doing songs with all these cool artists what's wrong with that so I guess we're going to get into the comments section but David before that do you have any uh quick thoughts yourself I think from an Asian male representation angle it almost seems like the 3.0 of what uh tayang did with wedding dress cuz tayang was the guy that was in the earlier generations of K-pop that had the most crossover appeal right yes um and then Jay Park did it on a smaller level right because he never had the global stardom but it was more like still known within a lot of people uh and I feel like junkook he's almost like the biggest star but it's a big deal because he's from BTS which started out being very like you know you just have to express your heart and like change the world and they were speaking up on behalf of stop Asian hate even though they weren't even American and they went to the White House and they spoke to the president about it but then it seems like he's more leaning into what typical American themes of effing all night sleeping around you know hooking up with chicks but he he's tall he's got a full blasted arm cast tattoo Andrew um he's got his shirt off defin a thirst trap for women so do you see what I'm saying it's like he's going against all the Asian nerd engineer computer program or stereotypes but then some people on the Asian guy side are like dude I wanted him to make soft Asian guys uh like pop but now he's just becoming a f boy just like Bieber had to do so he's like buying into it and that's the only way we can win and appeal to outside groups so some Asian guys are thinking damn dang junuk just fell into that F booy Lane just like everyone tells everybody do to go uh work out get the full sleeve and do all these things be uh be not Confucian be social socially deviant outside of the model minority box because you would say prior the BTS music you could play it at a boba shop at any boba shop you play it at a Christian boba shop you can't play Jun C's new singles at a Christian boba shop yeah that's true I think that um there's a fear that this is I don't want to say poisoning K-pop but that more K-pop artists will follow this suit and try to become the next Jun cuk as in how junuk is a massive star now I mean his songs he was the fastest Spotify solo K-pop artist to ever reach a billion streams in globally in the history of Spotify but the music does sound more like American English most of it it's most of it is in English you say sounds more like Chris Brown or does it sound more like who does it mixure it's a mixture but I think that just some people are like oh I don't want all the K-pop artists to do what he's doing just for fame and extra Global clout no I I think it'll actually be a bigger deal if new jeene starts stepping into that territory I think that that they the president of Korea might South Korea might have to comment on that because you know the standards for men and women they are different like yeah I don't I don't think that uh all the K-pop artists are going to try to take this route I really don't think so I think that there's always space for a couple to try to go for it but would you agree that you have to have it in you you got to have that dog in you right yeah yeah um what do you think Andrew in the Chinese world I guess the most comparable thing would you agree with me who actually in a way facially kind of looks like Jun cook too Jackson Wang yeah Jackson Wang kind of like sort of has a bad boy image but not like too bad I guess you know what I'm saying I mean he's he was drinking Hennessy with a fully tatted sleeve with a you know what I mean I mean people are adopting I I don't know if he's adopting the Kevin wind it's more like a Kevin Kim I always say the Kevin Kim is more K-pop Centric anyway let's get into the comments section somebody said it's not a big deal he's just getting the ABB look or his version of ABB look and uh the truth is all their Western English songs are far more sexualized than their Korean ones because the societies operate differently and have different standards and thresholds for what is acceptable hopefully more sexualized Asian male music means less worship of white rappers like Jack harlo or just at least will lead to more non-asian women liking the ABB look that's achievable for an Asian guy without dying our hair blonde and wearing blue cont ta It ultimately do you agree from this what is your opinion it will help Asian guys Jun Cook's new edgy creative Direction and lifestyle direction or whatever you could say whether it's reflected in his off camera life or not is good for guys uh it's good for overall Asian dudes yes yes okay and a lot of people were saying they were surprised because when he was part of BTS he was the shiest guy and some people even called him a f booy back then and now he's almost going more hyper masculine and he's kind of like he was is like a closeted freak and then a lot of people were talking about how just the BTS members are all growing up and RM recently had a controversy where he posted Frank Ocean song Bad Religion and then he had to do this whole thing where he's like guys yeah I I just didn't mean it so I didn't mean it but I'm not going to say sorry but what if Jung is just like oh well you know like I want to make a song for like American Market come on his voice is deep is it's more broish than that no no I and no I'm just rm's voices no what if he's like yeah you know I just want to make a a a song for America so I just talk about American things in my song you know so I have to have American subject matter yeah I mean so you're saying that that the logic could be as Baseline as simple as could be that logic um somebody was saying that you know um you know it was cool when they were reaching back in their peak in 2020 when they went to the White House and now they're just fitting in with everybody and someone was like no I just like that they're not fitting in someone said oh he just turned into another generic Bland Western pop star do you think it's because the music and here's a snippet of a rock song that sounds more white that he's releasing in in a couple weeks do you think it's just because simply Andrew these songs are being written for him by a white or black songwriter and Jun cook is very open about him not he might pick his collaboration artist but he's not writing his songs in English he's not that good at English yeah are they more mad at the subject matter or mad that the I guess lack of uniqueness in the music I don't know right right I there's yeah it doesn't fully sound I do feel some K-pop influence in it but it feels about what like 703 70% on the more Western influenced side uh whether it's white or black obviously it depends on the songwriter or whatever the reference track was made by somebody said it seems like Jun cook is ultimately more concerned with becoming mainstream in the global Society rather than finding or creating his own musical Identity or you could say that the identity for himself that he actually truly authentically wants is making mainstream music and to be another popular artist since that's the case fans just need to come with the terms with the fact that they probably don't and probably will not enjoy his music and he's not the artist for them anymore yeah I think that's also part of growth I think part of growth is um changing yourself as an artist doing what you feel is authentic or what you want to do with your platform and some fans will stick around for it and will support you and will grow with you and then other fans are going to be like you know what this is not for me anymore they wanted to stay bubble gum everybody does that if you've been an artist for more than five six years you're bound to want to do something different right somebody said that's the problem with K-pop stands they stand the perceived image of the person and not the music and then they start to have a crisis when they realize they don't actually Vibe or agree with the person that they're standing basically somebody's saying they're projecting all these things onto a person who maybe that's just who they were all along they're just being who they want to be and now you're mad at him because you feel like you control like you've been sold this image and you're offended that that person's not fitting that image I mean that is the problem I guess with phandom right Andrew there was also a really interesting uh discussion from black BTS fans that were accusing some of the BTS Army of being racist because they're saying that Jun Cook's being bad or sinful or being more edgy degenerate but now that his songs are with black art that are more from the street he has a song with Lotto obviously lot is from the hood of Atlanta um Central C he does have a song with Jun C where he's like uh you know I'm never alone cuz I stay with a shooter right right he is talking about having somebody with him that is armed constantly ready for conflict on a song with junuk and some people they're like why' you do it you're going with the bad people with the guns and and then some of the black BTS fans or just just other BTS fans are kind of like hey like it kind of sounds like you guys are being racist towards like Black Culture or like black artists or what you think is Black Culture I think that junuk is just making American Music like he has an American side and now a K-pop side when he's back with BTS he's being K-pop when he's on his own doing songs with Western artists he's just Western so you're saying he's doing sort of what some asian-americans do when they are at school when they're trying to fit in and be cool and then when they go back home and their Grandma's living exactly when you're at school you're hanging out with all the kids talking all that crap talking about girls partying but then when you go back home you're like a good little Asian kid mom yeah Mom yes Grandma but then when I go and leave out the door with my friends I'm free hey it's like you walk out the door let's get ratchet in Western I knew people who went to school who would um when they left our house they would be wearing one outfit the acceptable outfit and then when they got by the time they got to school they would be in slightly different clothes because who they are at home is different than who they are outside and I think part of his growth and I'm not a longtime BTS Army stand right I mean i' I've been I've always been a exterior fan but not a huge fan right so I'm like yeah I guess this is what I see as a dude you know but of course I get it if BTS fans are mad about it I totally understand their perspective so ultimately what do you think Andrew there's uh Jackson Wang in the Chinese World obviously Jun taking over the stream game the music's banging I like the music a lot like I'm not gonna lie I I fited the more westernized crowd or more edgier or whatever I like it no you could play seven that song even at a non-asian like Club type bar that's like more fun like a mainstream top 40 top 40 it's a top 40 song and nobody's going to be like well turn that off no it's a top 40 song so I say as long these guys get edgier but as long as they don't get into real trouble like real crimes whatever happened to Chris Brown yeah or Chris Woo or like oh my gosh Lan of the terrible stories you know and like the people who got caught up in illegal substances or illegal activity or assaults and stuff as long as they keep that clean I think their subject matter is going to change you know Jackson Wayne's going to play with it Jun cook is and just yeah so I don't know yeah ultimately guys it's an interesting discussion like we said there was like arguments and counter points back and forth there will never be lack of clean K-pop artists coming up because the next K-pop artists that come out of Korea are probably also going to be clean have a POS they make them all edgy now because they see how globally profitable it is and then K-pop doesn't represent me in my constituency anymore yeah I I think I think some artists will try but I don't think it's going to change for most people so anyways guys you let us know what you think in the comments down below um about Jung Jun Cook's Evolution and growth and by growth I don't necessarily mean he's a better artist now but he's definitely talking about more adult material so yeah it's F boy B boy d boy it's scary to me but can you talk about adult topics without doing songs people I think it's a really interesting discussion obviously you can just keep it isolated to junuk but it really has to do with like how traditional and Confucian a lot of Asian and the world is BEC westernized and we want to blend more because it's more fun to blend and it's more interesting to have these different flavors when you juxtapose this layer on that layer that haven't been juxtaposed how do we do it of course nobody's happy but uh it's moving forward guys listen hey ain't no point trying to stop this Boulder rolling down you just try to guide it uh let us know what you think in the comments section below valid points on all side we encourage the argument until next time we to hop out boys we out peace peace