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Salam! Faktah Maknah Collecting facts, analyzing events, and finding meaning. The world is heating up again, not only because of long-term anger, but also because of the Hamas-Israel war, which has not yet subsided. More than 20 days since the Hamas terrorist attack on Israel, which killed many civilians and soldiers. And Israel's retaliation Support actions between the two opposing camps happened everywhere. The PBB resolution for a ceasefire for humanitarian assistance was vetoed by the United States. And we don't know how long this conflict will last. Israel is clearly supported by the United States. And it seems they won't stop until Hamas surrenders. But is Hamas fighting alone? Or is it an anti-American proxy? Will this conflict only stop at the current conflict location? Or will it expand, involving many more parties? And finally expand. World War III? Or Armageddon? No one knows. Mr. Wanjaya is here. Welcome, Mr. Wanjaya. Welcome. Okay. What do you think is happening in this world? The world is in a crossroads. Between the road to destruction, to the apocalypse, or the road to a better world, or a deeper world. Because we are actually faced with the choice between the road of freedom or authoritarianism. The Javanese call it the Goro-Goro era. A time full of conflict and division. After the end of the Russian and Ukrainian wars, a new battlefield emerged, this time in the Middle East. And this is not the last battlefield. It could be the transition to the Indo-Pacific, or Taiwan Strait. It's terrifying. But if we look at it from a bird's eye view, that a series of events or previous events that created unceasing turbulence, it's a puzzle that doesn't seem to be regulated, but it's actually regulated. Right now, in this world, there are two groups that are fighting for influence. Two geopolitical giants who are fighting for the world leadership, namely the US and China. The US as a defender, and the Chinese Communist regime as its challenger. Each of them wants to write a new world order. So the world is now in a global alignment. We see which countries are on the side of freedom, and which countries are on the side of authoritarianism. If these two geopolitical giants face each other, what happens is a Thucydides Trap. And the clash between the two geopolitical giants cannot be avoided. Now, no matter where in various battlefields before the two giants met, kinetically and militarily, it's not separated from the proxy war between these two powers. So, Mr. Chandra, the war between Hamas and Israel is not separated from the battlefield between the two giants, the two geopolitical giants. Okay, wait a minute, Mr. Wanjaya. You just said the Chinese Communist regime is the root of this conflict. If the US is clearly pro-Israel, it's no longer a secret. As for the Chinese Communist regime, I haven't seen its involvement. In fact, from the news we read in the mainstream media, it proposes a peace settlement, a two-state solution, and pushes Palestine to become a free country. What do you think, Mr. Wanjaya? That's exactly how the Chinese Communist regime plays. In essence, it wants to win this competition, to borrow the hands of others. Why do you want to borrow hands, Mr. Wanjaya? The public in the world may not be surprised that Hamas is related to the Chinese Communist regime. We just call it the Hamas-China connection. China supports Iran economically, and Iran supports Hamas with money and weapons. As an example, the Chinese Communist regime wants Hamas to attack Israel, and Israel is sure to retaliate. When the conflict escalates, the Chinese Communist regime comes to propose a two-state solution, and pushes Palestine to become a free country. This step is actually to win the hearts of Arab countries. We know that a few months ago, China managed to pacify Saudi Arabia and Iran. What is the impact on the US? The US finds it difficult to convince Israel and Arab countries to join the agreement led by the US, Abraham McConnell, who was once accused of treason. What Hamas is doing is nothing more than trying to normalize the relationship between Israel and Arab countries. That's it. Wow, Mr. Wanjaya, this is getting more exciting. I'm interested in the pressure that Iran, which supports Hamas, turns out that Iran itself is supported by the Communist Party of China. Can you explain this further? You see, when Hamas attacked Israel, the Chinese Communist regime did not cover it, or its reaction was less harsh, less fierce. Why? China is Iran's main economic partner. China helps Iran pass the sanctions, by buying cheap oil and selling Iran's technology, which is used in drones and air. The PKK has also supplied Tehran with cyber technology, which makes it possible for the country to become a major threat to cyber security. Because of the Iranian Revolution, or IRGC, Iran supports Hamas with equipment, intelligence, weapons, and training. Meanwhile, Tehran gives Hamas 70% of its funding. How about that, Mr. Chandra? Okay, thank you. That's clear. It turns out that there is a connection between Iran and Hamas. But behind Iran, there is also China. You mentioned earlier that China managed to pacify Iran and Saudi Arabia. What is the real target of the PKK, and the impact of their pacification in the future? China hopes to eliminate the need for US troops in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. Beijing also hopes by eliminating Washington, to convince Saudi Arabia and other OPEC countries, that their price or compensation is that they can consider a cheaper oil price. In addition, Xi met with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas in Beijing last June, and the two signed a strategic partnership. What does it mean? Palestine joins 53 countries in signing a joint statement to support the genocide committed by the PKK in Xinjiang. They also support the efforts of the Chinese Communist Party to suppress the protest of democracy in Hong Kong. The Chinese Communist regime is trying to impose its influence in the Middle East and portray itself as a bridgeheader. Once again, Beijing hopes to weaken the Abraham Accord initiated by Tehran. In addition, he is also building his own coalition by inviting Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates to join in the friction. The message he wants to convey is that the Chinese Communist regime wants to show that the United States is a reliable and reliable defense partner. He also wants to convey this message to other parts of the world, such as Taiwan and Southeast Asia. We need to know that before this, Xi also announced the Global Security Initiative, which he presented as an alternative to the implementation of US security. So what the Chinese Communist regime is doing is not purely for peace, but for the purpose of its geopolitical ambitions. Yes, so it's unexpected. It turns out that the Chinese Communist regime has a great influence on the Hamas-Israel conflict this time. As you mentioned earlier, what the Chinese Communist regime is actually doing is to weaken the position or offer of the United States in the Middle East. I turn to the issue of support actions that are taking place in the world this time. Some are pro-Hamas and some are pro-Israel. For Indonesia, the pro-Hamas or Palestine is more common here. If asked, are you pro-Israel or pro-Palestine? For me, it's more pro-peace and justice, Mr. Chandra. But not the peace and justice behind the Udang di Balik Batu, as was done by the Chinese Communist regime. Pretending to offer a peace solution, but in fact hijacking the content itself. Whatever the name, the war will cause a disaster for both sides. And this time we can see more and more victims. Especially in Gaza, because the Israeli attack is getting more and more fortunate, because they want to destroy the group they call the Hamas terrorists. Meanwhile, Hamas is also claimed to be trying to make the citizens of Sydney as refugees. And in a war situation like this, the situation must be very complicated. And this war is not just a war of weapons, Mr. Chandra. But a war of disinformation. Some say that the disinformation at the moment of this war is worse than the previous event. Even compared to the time of the COVID-19 pandemic or the Russian-Ukrainian war. Therefore, supporters of both sides also appear everywhere. Even those who are pro-Hamas or Palestine are also in Western countries such as the US and Europe. I don't think this is organic or natural. This is the result of a propaganda war between the two camps. Yes. A further question. What do you think, how are we qualified to tackle this Palestinian-Israeli conflict? For us who are thousands of miles away from the center of the conflict, where if we look at both camps, both are so militant and fanatic. First, we should not view this as a show, a competition like a football match. Maybe some of you feel that when a rocket hits the opponent and many victims die, you feel satisfied. Let's try to be in their position. For them, this is not a game, but this is life and death. And whether they are Israeli or Palestinian, they cannot choose where they are born. As a Palestinian or as an Israeli. But clearly, they are humans like us. They are only trapped in a very difficult conflict and destroyed. Because each camp wants the opponent not to exist. That's the first. Second, I once heard an advice from a wise man in China. If there is a conflict between two people, then the two camps must find a way. Intervene. Why doesn't the conflict end in peace? And also, the third person who sees the reality of the conflict, must intervene. Not just go around supporting each other. When we dissolve in a conflict situation and position ourselves to defend one camp, it's the same as pouring oil on a tornado. That's the second. The third, the two opposing camps want to defend their rights, which is violated by the other party. They want to uphold justice. If they can't go through the justice path, they try to use weapons, but it's easier said than done. I agree more with what Mahatma Gandhi said. He is an Indian, who fought against colonization with anti-terrorism. He once said, if the eyes are repaid by the eyes, then the whole world will be blind. Furthermore, if the soul is repaid by the soul, then the whole world will lose its life. Win as Arang, lose as me. Moreover, if the conflict of these two camps, there are those who take advantage. As I explained above, that BKC can be very beneficial with this conflict. In my opinion, this is not a holy war of the end of times. But, the contest of animalistic passions, animal spirit, which continues to be destroyed. The holy war is actually, Mr. Chandra, to fight our animalistic passions. Super! Okay, Mr. Wanjaya, I think this is enough for our discussion this time. But I want to emphasize one last sentence. The true holy war, is to fight our animalistic passions. I hope this conflict ends soon, and both sides immediately realize, war will not achieve anything, except destruction. Never think this is Armageddon, or the war of the end of times. Because it means the same thing, pressing the button of doom. And see you in the next episode, with more interesting issues. Greetings, Fakta Makna. Greetings.