Dr Bernard Samson | Témoignage d’EMI

Hello, Dr. Samson. Hello, Madam. Welcome to the show Etre Vrai. You are a retired military doctor. Retired, yes. And you had an experience of imminent death at the age of 38 in 1988. Yes, in 1988. So we find ourselves practically a month later, 34 years of experience. So it's an experience that will come to me for the detail of the environment. So tonight I'm going to La Rochelle with my wife, a friend and myself. I didn't really want to go there afterwards, to get my wife out a little. So she decides to go see models from her house who came to La Rochelle. She invites a friend who didn't want to go either. So we are three people who didn't really want to go, but we all go. And on the way back, there are fogs on the road, but small fogs, that is to say small drops, nothing very particular. There are fogs, dangerous winds in the Bordelais. And coming back on the road, which is straight, there are two turns, practically, which are not difficult. But just before, there is a turn that at the time, tractors could go out or vehicles could cross the road. So I move to the left of a double track, so it's not difficult. I pass the bridge at that moment, and passing the bridge again, I get back in the axis. And when I get to the part of the axis, I don't see anything anymore. I go into a completely thick fog, cut with a knife to such an extent that you can only see a single point on the road in the middle of my hood. I decelerate a lot, and then my wife tells me, there are lights on. So there I have to brake heavily anyway, but I hit a truck in the middle of the road. There, in a situation, I put my warning. I know that the situation, I am in a state of hyper-vigilance anyway at that moment. And I leave the car, I get out, but my wife gets out of the passenger side. My passenger gets out of my side, but we are in the middle of the road, and it is extremely dangerous. I want to leave, but everything is black, we see absolutely nothing. The truck, I want to join it between him and the safety rail. I don't want to go that way, if it happens to me, it happens to me in the back. I want to pass the rail, and there is the notion of accident, of over-accident, so I don't do it. And I turn around, and the truck that I had overtaken a few minutes before, a 38-ton truck, arrives on me, and there I know that it is for me. I never thought of anything, but I know that it is directly for me. So there, even thinking about it, I see this truck coming directly. I could even say that I can read the plates of the vehicle. The vehicle is in black, but with the lighting of the dashboard, we see very well the brightness, very, very low. And it is as if my brain had gone from, when we take pictures, from macro to zoom, at the same time. And there, I'm going to look for everything I know how to do, since childhood until the age of three, at the sporting level. So I did ice skating, I did skiing, everything that was fast. And in fact, at 1.50 meters from the arrival of the truck, I'm going to make a jump, practically, on the right side. And so I do a roulette, and I'm going to be hit by the rearview mirror, which is on the side. Because my brain could see with my camera what was happening to me, but the rearview mirrors at the time were not glued against the truck. They were a little offset. And so I'm going to be in the air, with a jump of practically 2.50 meters. I did it in ice skating at the time, if I had speed, but at the stop, it's still a big question mark for me. And I'm going to be, I'm going in the air, and so I have my feet in the opposite direction of the truck coming. I am, as I do a roulette, head up, and there I feel a huge acceleration, as if you were told, when a train is going to enter the station, and that it will simply pass, move away, because my breath was of an infinite power and acceleration, if you will. And there I arrive in an element, since it's total darkness, there is no more noise, there is nothing, and I am seeing my glasses falling, and the first thing I think, you're an idiot, you're stupid, you won't see anything. I have my glasses, which we will recover two days later, on the scene of the accident, intact. So I'm head up, and so I start to be in a beatitude and a certain serenity, and a silence that is not a silence, which is a vibrating silence, that is to say that it is music, and I become, myself, music. So this music, it is indescribable, because it is, if you listen a little, the music of the King's College, for example, in England, these are music where the voices of angels rise, rise, rise, except that for me it was not only what I heard, but I was music, that is to say, all my cells had become music. And I am in a feeling of eternity, which is, how long it lasted, I can't say, because it's extraordinary, and this music that I always had, it's what we call celestial music, I'm going to undergo a 90-degree rotation at that moment, and this 90-degree rotation means that I'm going to enter my body, it's very fast, it's like if a housewife, a surgeon, has a glove of a lower size, you have to force a little more to get in, so I got in, so to give you the position, I have half of the body under the safety rail, the other half of the body, which is under the truck, just behind the rear binoculars of the first trailer. Even before I took it, I never lost consciousness, but hey, before I go back to sense, that is to say, to observe, first thing, I'm not afraid, no, I'm not afraid. It's a reset, like in front of the computer, that is to say, this function, well, me who was a little tense at the age of 37, life, becoming, all that, finished, finished, brutally. The second thing, I'll have a third child. How does it work? You just hear something and you're not afraid? Yes, yes, it's an internal presence, which is totally present, so you feel that, but it's as if it were a reset, it's not even consciously, it's all my cells that are deprogrammed, I'm no longer afraid in life, from the front of the truck and just below, it's over. The third child, I will have it two years later, that I will not go, I had chosen to go to the overseas, something told me, as a precaution, not to go there, and that I would walk again in Lourdes, but it was not Lourdes in the sense of the miracle, it's in the sense of the delay, since nine months later, I'm going to go to Lourdes in May, to thank, because I mean, in this accident, there must have been, not only my two children who were at home, the two children of the passenger, so there were two people who could no longer be there from this world, and so I'm telling myself, it's very long, when you're under the truck, and I tell myself, I'm in the sense where it happened, he did both legs, I don't suffer, I don't feel anything, and I'm telling myself, well, listen, slowly, the pain will come, he did both legs, and I move the right leg, I speak to you as I was at the time, he didn't do the right leg, the left is already a little more difficult, and I have to stretch my hand to catch the trunk of the truck, you see, I'm right behind the wheel, and there I can't reach, and that's it, that's what I see, but as there is the second trailer, which is right next door, it was still, given the arm of the trailer lever, and the other twin of the trailer, there are three meters, and I'm telling myself, you're trapped, if something goes into this trailer, you can't get out of there, you're in a completely impossible trap, and I'm going to learn that to evacuate, they had to walk a kilometer and a half in front of the ambulance, because they couldn't see the road, in fact, the problem was a field that had been burned, and they went into a fire, which is called an ecobubage, which was an element in progress, but we'll only know that later. So I'm going to get my mind back, not in the sense of collapse, but at the hospital. At the hospital, they give me a whole bunch of elements, radiology, all that, and my chief physician, who arrived at one o'clock in the morning, because he could have said, I'm not coming, but anyway, I always thank him, and something happens, they don't dare tell me that my knee is crushed, so since that time, and they can't tell me, so he tells me, you're not running in life anymore, and I turn to them and say, it's no use running in life, with the same tone of voice that I have now, so I absolutely didn't have any excitement, that was quite surprising. So that's the first thing, the first episode. Then, on the night I'm going to be operated on, a little earlier, I'm going to have at the end of my bed, I didn't have the notion of a tunnel there, I'm going to see my grandmother, I'm going to see a friend of my great-grandparents, who was a kine, whom I helped to die in Bordeaux, and Father Popoulescu. So my grandmother, God knows if it wasn't her, if I had invented something that I would have thought of, because I had lost a little brother and a little sister, if it had been a mental construction, she was as old as I could know her, that is, she was a widow of war in 1928, and she had three children, and so I arrive in 1950, so when I see her, I say that she is between 30 and 40 years old, straight, young, so I have always known her practically in black, as at the time, and with a slightly jagged element, but there she is straight and everything, so that's the first thing. There is no need to discuss, you have an exchange that is non-verbal, the kine friend that I helped to die, since eight months or a year before, I had the chance to find her at the tripod in Bordeaux, where she had never been hospitalized, I had never seen so many pipes on a body, and I had to tell her that she had to leave this world, it was no longer useful to fight. And Father Popoulescu, I speak Polish like a Spanish cow, I didn't know him, the only thing I had seen was a conference that had been shown in the journal Match when he had been exposed after his torture and murder by the Stasi, and so it was the only thing that made me, as a military doctor, ask myself the question of good and evil, because it is always a human question that we have, and so at the end of my bed, I didn't need to, he was there, smiling. I will go, find myself in front of the light, so the light is like music, it is practically indescribable, we could put infinite, inexpressible, all the hymns of the world, in fact it is a light that is ultra-bright, white, very, very white, but that does not blind, as you can see with the sun, we can't do it for long, it's bad, it is a heat of love, you are attracted to it, but there is something that slows down a little bit, it is that I will have my judgment, it is not that the light judges me, it is me who judges myself in relation to this light, and all the acts of life will pass, even the very small elements, so I translate that as when you try to clean a window in front of the sun, you may have tried to do all the problem, there are always small things left, well, it was not the big elements that were retained, it was the small elements, and especially what was done by lack of love, so there are things that can be done badly without knowing it, but that is not what was retained, we can do big things, but we have another ability, another judgment, and there, no, there it was with, indeed, this little element of lack of love that was very precise, so I wanted to hide things, no, no, no, it came back, so this light, I say, I cross it, I do not know, well, as others cross it, they will tell you, and I find myself, just after, on a terrace, which dominates a crowd of about 6 meters high, between 5 and 6 meters high, on the left side that I see, it is a crowd, and a small light comes on each head, so it was simply to show me, so I have always been a small-hearted child, and I remember the first one that was lit, it was a young girl who had died of leukemia, so we must be in 1958, I must be about 8 years old, and she had been buried with a white bag, well, leukemia in 1958 in children, we could not heal too much, and so it had posed a problem, but it had made me walk on something, it was not an obligation, it was not people I had to meet, you meet a lot of people in life, but it had brought me something in my personal construction, of reflection, and others, and I was shown them, until the moment of the accident. On this terrace, behind, I have a guide, a guide, at the beginning, I thought he was very, very tall, very high, climbed behind something, not at all, he was well behind, he was someone very, very tall, and you feel a power, he did not want to show himself, but you feel a phenomenal power emanating from behind, but I have my ego working, and as I see the road that continues on the right side, I want to know what my future is, so I ask the question, and there, very kindly, you did not go under a Solex, it means, listen, look at what happened to you, you are in one piece, be happy, that's how it should be translated, but I come back to the charge, and I say, and there, and there I feel, you do not have to know, and so be careful, there it is square, and there is not a word to add, but the ego comes back again, or my personality, and there, and there, in fact, I find myself in my bed, because in fact, it's like a child, you know, when you dare to tell the little one that 3 years later, 4 or 5 times, it's going to be pam pam, if it does not work too much, but we feel very well that behind, it is not at all the same thing, and there I find myself in my bed, so after this part of experience. So until then, it was very, very good, I did not suffer, I did not feel anything to the fracture of the femur in 8 pieces, the sternum, the wounds, all that, nothing, like a feather caress, and then when I get into my body, it's not quite the same, and then my passenger arrives, because you have to forget that the passenger was at that time in front of the truck, and she sits on the second bed of the room, and then she says, I was a musician. So there I start to say, oh, what is she talking about? And she goes for about 20 minutes, between 10 minutes and 20 minutes, to tell me about this phenomenon of music. She was a musician herself, she played the piano and all that, and then all of a sudden I say, but we are at 50 centimeters, how could she live the same thing at that moment? Then in addition, she said, Bernard, you saved me, I never saved anything myself. Already, I still ask myself, 38 years later, how? So I was not going to have a great title in a book, the chief doctor saves his passenger, you have to stop. And that's where the first thing starts, that all the theory of endomorphs that I had been inculcated, falls at once, boom, finished. And just now you say, in fact, as your leg is injured, but you do not feel any pain? No pain. Between the moment when the truck lifts me, where the leg is broken into three pieces, plus the knee, no pain. It's really a feather caress. How can this be explained as a doctor? As a doctor, you are told that when you are in excitement, if you will, a little unpredictable, there is the theory of endomorphs, so you have this secretion that makes you feel nothing. I'm not so sure, because in fact, I will only feel the pain when I am in my body. If you will, all the elements, before the pain begins to arrive on my body. And all the more so that I explained to you that seeing how I was, I say, he made me both legs. And I mean that at that moment, I had accepted the amputation in case I had a problem. I had not even asked myself questions. And that too, it's quite surprising to see that a certain number of phenomena were realized where we put time, acceptance. For me, it was accepted right away. For you, is there this reason that your mind is out of your body? Can you feel that? Yes, totally. From the moment I'm in front of the truck and I become a musician in the dark, I tell you, the first thing that was a little confusing, it's not even the word that was discordant, it was the fact of being very, very good. And the first thing I think, as I am mute, I lose my glasses and say, you're an idiot, you won't see anything. And I see my glasses that I can't normally see because they go down. I have my eyes up in the dark and my glasses go down. And it's in the dark, so I see them fall. It's quite surprising. And that right away, you say, what's going on? You're not quite clear. It's better than going back to the body. Exactly. So the return to the body, of course, happened very quickly, like a gang trope 3. It was by the head and finished in the feet. And there, I say, before I become aware, because I haven't lost consciousness, that I take the situation. When you're under a 38-ton stretcher, it's a great panoramic. You said that you are music. All your cells are music. Yes. So it's a vibration, if you will, it's a vibration, but which is at the same time constructed, because these voices, if you will, because I took a reference from King's College, these great chorals with some children's voices, but these infantile voices, rising, but infinitely, of an extraordinary beauty, I was really very, very good, but it was not only thought, but all my cells had become music. I was pure energy in music. Well, after, now, there were still setbacks, that is to say that three measures of Vivaldi allowed me to hold, for example, 24 hours without sleep. So, in fact, it was energy music. And that, the energy, since you are of an origin which is not the Western origin, I never found it in medicine. I had to go see the ninja monks, since I practically fell into energy, what the Shaolin monks are looking for in their lives. I never had an answer from the medical part on the energy received. Also, in front of my truck, I only took extremely hot baths. Winter as summer. And I bathed, while I was on the ocean, I went in winter in cold water between 8 and 12 degrees. And I was told, stop, you're going to freeze. Before, I was a umar who was going to be cooked, after I was a penguin who was going to be completely frozen. Ah, ok. So, basically, this music is very powerful and full of energy. That's it. It's to compare the music of what you said earlier and the light. You see, both are very difficult to express. But on the other hand, there are setbacks. We can see the setbacks and then see them. When you say all my cells are music, that is to say, when it can really penetrate in this really deep sense, Very thin and very powerful, yes. That's why I told you that I have this deprogrammation of fear. I'm no longer afraid in life. If you ask me now that I'm going to die in 10 minutes, I'm not going to change. I'm going to be very sad about what I'm leaving, but I'm staying in this state that I have now, from my truck in front of me. I have my existential anxieties, which are still present, I know what I'm going to lose when I leave, but I know what I'm going to win when I get back. So, on that side, I still have a gain. As a doctor, do you think it's something you can reproduce for others? For example, everyone is afraid of disease, of suffering, of death. Yes. I make a difference between the fear of death and the fear of suffering. When I prick myself, I'm in pain. When I hurt myself, I'm in pain. I also know that my limited terrestrial part has suffering. I've been doing Akiné for 30 years, so I know what the efforts on a body represent. On the other hand, once you're free, it's extraordinary. It's a fundamental change for you. Yes, and brutal. Brutal, but in a good way. Brutality of the event. So, you see your life in a different light. Yes, it has changed my way of thinking, of seeing things, but not extraordinarily, at 180 degrees. It's more of a refinement. It's like when we talk to you about a flower, and you've only seen it in pictures, and one day you're offered a rose, but at the same time, there's a perfume. And so, in fact, both things change. Even if the rose was beautiful in the picture, but when you have the rose and the perfume, it gives a different dimension. Because even with a perfume, you can mentally represent the rose. It's a bit subtle. OK. And what does your doctor tell you about the results that you can see? Well, listen, the medical side has always been very evasive on this subject. First of all, the problem was to understand my phenomenon. So, whether it was the doctors, they could see, but they didn't understand. My surgeon was very, very nice, because he let nature do its thing. I came across a surgeon who didn't have a high scalpel, and nature, by reproducing and recutting, did much better than if we had dared to make a scalpel, put screws and everything. But for 20 days, he didn't speak, and he thought we could go to amputation. My anesthetist, if you've seen the show on YouTube, because it's Mr. Thierry, thanks to him, we made this show. I didn't give any interview, or even a TV show, whatever it was, whether it was TF1, F6, all that. But what was interesting was that my anesthetist, in the days that followed, followed me, because I was going to have a bit of a mediocre side, and people were going to receive phenomena for which they didn't expect. So everyone was expecting what the products were, but I didn't take any. I didn't take any products afterwards, even since... I never took doliprane after the intervention. They called me a fairy, but it didn't last long, for two days, and then... I never took a doliprane, I never took a sleeping pill, or an anti-inflammatory for 38 years. So you're not ordinary people anymore, you're not like the others. No, I'm not ill. The problem is that I've spread the pain. Yes, I've had this, I've had that, maybe it's not worth it to take products for three times nothing. That's how I take it. Ah, on the disease, yes, that's clear. From there, to tell you that I refine it well, no, that's not true, I can't say that. But indeed, I had another vision of physical suffering. So what is your vision on the disease? It's related to sleep, because when you go to the hospital, if you want to lose sleep, it's at the hospital that you lose sleep the best, you are woken up when you fall asleep, you are fed when you want to fall asleep, that's a side of the opposite of the Amadeus setting. But when I realized that when you are used to sleeping on the side and that you can only sleep on your back, well, in the end, I managed to manage my sleep and for two years, well, I never took sleeping pills. For example, if at night, I managed the night, I fell asleep as soon as there were little signs, be careful, as soon as I had a eyelid that was going down, I fell asleep right away, or at the first buzz. That is to say, I resumed the train of sleep, that's classic in medicine, we'll tell you, but on the other hand, when I hadn't slept at night, well, I listened to three measures of Vivaldi's Winter, and there, no one knew that at work, during the eight hours, I was going to pulse as if I were there. So I didn't play, because I had read in the oriental cultures, especially in Japan, that you shouldn't play with your energies, because afterwards you could... there are some who will want to play with that, and I'm telling you, three measures of Vivaldi's Winter, which allow you to keep eight hours without sleep, it's still extraordinary. You don't have to take sleeping pills, or you don't get up early in the morning. And no, it doesn't matter, no one knew at work. So when I talked about Shaolin monks, afterwards I was in a center where I had a lot of trouble at work, because they didn't give me the means and all that, and when I was fed up with it, I took my ambulance, I went to the ocean, and I... So be careful, I'm careful, the ocean is deadly, you have to be careful, and so I was facing the sea, and I was waiting a little bit like an energy, in a form like Buddha, you see, and this energy, when I came back, I had a friend who was a psychologist, he said, I know where you're coming from, but I was studying this a little bit, because I was trying to understand, in the energy, in the medical sense, the medical world can't talk about this energy. So, for you, there are certain, how to say, human conceptions, that hinder us on certain things. The Cartesian side, for me, had completely exploded. It doesn't matter, I remain Cartesian, because I analyze. But the answer that was made on these elements, was that I had an assistant doctor who did tests for the pills, so that the pilots could stay 30 hours without sleep. So it always amused me, I didn't tell him, by the way, I let him do it, but anyway, I laughed personally, and I was happy to have that, and at the same time, I was researching, and I came across the books of Aikido, Judo, and so on, since it was a culture that I didn't have, and that's why I allowed myself to tell you that, in relation to your origins, don't let me down, because the monks of Shaolin are looking for me, I say thank you. And what is your advice? Because for me, I find it very interesting for people, that is to say, you no longer have this anxiety, because you say you have your anxious nature. Yes, I am probably anxious by nature. And I will explain to you why I understood my guide three years ago. In fact, I didn't question myself. It was clear, you didn't question yourself, you are alive, continue like that. But because in fact, if ever I tried to excite my anxious nature, which calmed down, I would become anxious again. So I have to accept, if you want, it's to give you a little bit, I don't know if I'm expressing myself well on this subject, I didn't, when something happens, I didn't go looking for the why, the bad, this and that, no, no, don't torture yourself, you think, you choose, you walk, but don't ask yourself questions about an anxiety, if you want, that will become paralyzing. That's how I talk, and I had to understand this story of my guide, who was behind it. Since I was very young, I asked myself the question of good, evil, well, it still exists, but I approach it differently now. More compassion, more compassion, more empathy, you see what I mean? And not to say, yes, I revolt. Yes, in fact, this compassion you speak of, this love, you also speak of in the light. Ah yes, so there, the light, there is no, it's pure love. So, I mean, you know that it's waiting for you, it welcomes you, but you don't have this purity to go there, it's a path to take, it's a path to take. So, I may be a little harsh, I say that this love is the truth. And I can't translate love, for example, even with my wife, because the word love is reserved only for this light, for me, of pure. However, it is necessary in a human way. In a way, truth, you can't escape it. Once you have seen this light, there is no question of shadow. That's what you have to understand, that you are really in this path of truth. Okay, when you speak of truth, that is, can we perhaps understand everything we see in this world? It's rather an illusion and fictitious. Yes, because the part when we were on the other side, because in fact we don't change sides, we change dimensions, there is no more we are good, we don't feel anything, there is no pain, we have no questions, the questions, you have answers to all the... I came back, I had a mathematical understanding and when I came back, the only thing I had left were the vector transfers while I was naked in physics. It's been 15 years now that I've been talking about the elements of the strings, the elements of DNA in the infinitely small, regardless of what we hear today. The more we talk about it, the more, on the contrary, it excited me enormously, and even today. Everything that is fusion, electrons and others, attracts me enormously. So when you went into this knowledge that was perfect, you had the answers like in a library when you were looking for them. But when you come back, little by little, you lose that. Otherwise, I don't think you could live with this gap that exists. Earlier you talked about a kid. Yes. How do you define, how do you define a kid? Is it an angel in another dimension? I would say an angel. We can use all the words we want, but it's a force, an extraordinary presence because he didn't want to show himself and we can feel very well that he is there. Why didn't he want to show himself when other people are going to see their kid? I would ask him the same when I go to the other side. Because in our society, people often believe only what they see. What they see. But here it's the opposite. You have to believe, even though you know there is something that taught you something, but you have to accept this absolute confidence, not for me, this absolute confidence that I had in the event that happened. In reality, to see, you have to believe first. Yes, it changes everything. And it's a bit like your culture, that you have. I adhere to this culture, which was not mine, and which forced me to see other cultures than the one I had, to understand that you have to see things a little differently. When I met Michel, who was pregnant at the time, to talk about energy, he said to me, why are you looking for it? Energy is in man, what water is in fish. But I have had this sentence for almost 34 years, and I think it is quite true. Take a fish out of the water, he doesn't know what he has, but he won't feel very well. And we will want to look for why, it's a kind of Cartesianism. And according to you, why our existence on earth? You ask me existential questions. I know that I had the understanding, it was me who chose to come. Why am I a doctor? Since I was very young, I have been taking care of animals, it has always been, and so on. I understood why it was me who chose to come to earth and to become a doctor. And so it totally changes the game, because if I have chosen the life in which I will come, it is me who is free, it is not someone who imposes me. So I have a certain freedom, and I found that precisely in this enlightenment of this event, I had my total freedom. And that has no price, it is not a God who supports, it is not something, it is you who judge yourself in relation to this light, it is you who accepted to come, but it is extraordinary to have such a freedom, not to be tied by a thread, as we would like. And you have also come back with certain gifts too? I can't speak. The gifts, I think it is an expansion of our nature that falls back, we all have gifts, but there is an expansion of certain phenomena of people, I saw one not long ago, he comes back with paint while he never painted. So is it a gift? It is an exacerbation of something that was in us and which is developing. But you felt there was a reason, because you say there is no chance, we agree, there is no chance in life. Yes, there is no chance, there is a lot of synchronicity, the chance does not exist, for me it is a word that I have totally guided, because when at a given moment you talk about synchronicity in life, for example you are looking for a parking space, the problem is in the questioning. There is a questioning, people say I want to have a parking space for example. Here it is the ego that speaks, but if you formulate differently, that you wish, and if the wish is good, I accept, if I don't have it, I don't have it, and there you find parking spaces. I came back, I found the four-leaf clover only when I am happy, I go out and when I want to be happy, be careful, it is not me who wants to find a clover, and there I find you and I can bring back a bouquet of four-leaf clover. So that's where a lot of questions about this synchronicity that a lot of people have, attention to synchronicity, it is randomness, at some point when you study the cases, you get out of the question of randomness. And for you, the reason why you had this experience? It was to change me, I think I needed it. I was in a questioning, but in the conference, I always say, I had asked for something, but I had not done the right formula. I would have preferred a weight scale, on the corner of the figure. So, in fact, you have to know how to formulate things, and it is written in prayer, ask and you will receive. However, you have to make a request, but it is not the requests, you have to know how to put them, and it is when this notion of ego, I do not like ego, because that is Freudian, but it is human nature, it is this wind of Batracian that we have, when we have achieved something, you have to know how not to flatter yourself, while in our nature, we want to say, I made an extraordinary leap, I did it. And in fact, this is a bit the brake of this notion of relationship you can have with, I do not say the afterlife, but with this other world. Can we say, through your experience, earlier you talked about ego, love, and through your experience, did you understand, in fact, what we should do is really reduce our ego and make our love grow? But unconditional love, that is to say, not the one we represent by nature of our physical nature and our relational nature, is much higher than this notion of love. There are different levels, because afterwards you have, well, there are body exits, there are EMI, afterwards you have mystical experiences that are much higher, and then people who enter the light, and that's it. So there are gradations on that. So at what level, it's like a rocket that goes, but there are confusions, I am a doctor, I have a friend, the NDE is only a particular element in an event that is much wider. You must have heard of Raymond Moody's shared-eyes experiences, the accompaniments of Mouron and all that. So all these are phenomena that must be analyzed, but we can only experience them when, indeed, the egotic side, the guy who says, OK, so it's really about giving up on yourself, is that how it is for others? There is a certain form of humility, it's not that I am humble, be careful, I am a human like the others, but I say it's this form of humility in the face of this great dimension that must be well adjusted and as low as possible. What is the real happiness of life? The light, this light, because it encompasses everything, I mean, I don't know, when sometimes I see it, it happens to me to be in the dark and to see it, I don't know why, but it doesn't stop me, it's like when you are, all the waves collapse, you don't know where you are anymore, all of a sudden, there at the bottom, a very small white light appears, but how extraordinary it is, you can no longer say that you are lost, you know that you have to go that way. I think this wisdom can be found in the religions of love. But it's not what happiness interests, people learned to be happy by saying the sound, no, no, there is an inner way that must be found, and this inner way exists in all religions in search of spirituality, because religion is what connects man, I say, to something, but once spirituality is open to the person, meditation is a form to which we go beyond and at that moment we can have a meeting that goes beyond this earthly element. The medicine that I practice, what is the energy going to tell you? Will it translate it by calories, by relation to the deglucid system that degrades and gives you energy by TMP, ATP, adenosine, everything you want, and this energy that leaves a human being, for example, when the spirit leaves the body for the dead, well, I regret it, medicine does not turn its back on it, it does not know how to say it. There are other cultures that talk about it, and it's a bit, I say, this dichotomy that has occurred from being Cartesian, it's too Cartesian here, because this is a drift that has been imprinted on us, everything I don't see, everything I don't understand does not exist. We can see very well that currently there are things that we don't understand, and less and less, for example, astrophysicists, pure physics, and when we talked about quantum physics, or I was talking about multiverses, you see, about fifteen years ago, we would have laughed at them, a lot of physicists were laughed at, whereas now you hear about the multiverse gone, the multiverse in its comprehension. What is your spiritual path? What is evolution? So when I came back, when I came back, my first name is not St. Paul at all, St. Paul, well, when you are a practitioner, you read it from time to time, a beautiful experience happened to him, since he was suffering from methanoia, he was pursuing Christians and stoning them, and on the way to Damascus, he suffered a huge flash, and he became blind, well, that's it, you just have to read the writings again, and so here it is, and his boss said to me, St. Paul, he had a big heat stroke, a heat stroke, for a boy who is stoned five times, who makes two shipwrecks, and who travels 15,000 km on foot, it's not bad, especially since I had done Djibouti, and he died of a heat stroke. So I saw that there was a big difference between St. Paul's heat stroke and the medical heat stroke that we suffer. So that allowed me to understand, and little by little, when I read St. Paul, I discover, if you will, like a perfume, although I knew the texts, but not at all, there is something that is much more awakening when I read, for St. Paul, I can marvel at a text from La Hotze, or I prefer Zouaouzi, for example, to open up the cultures a little, because indeed, there are readings that at that moment change, whereas we read them every day, and all of a sudden you have a flash on a text, or something like, that's why I explained to you the rose and the perfume. So I speak for example of tears, I happened to have tears explosions, if you will, for example, looking at a butterfly, listening to a piece of music that I like, because in fact, when I drive, my wife says, well, I only listen to classical music, or the music has to be very, very good, it's not just classical music, but the music has to be very, very good. And from there, I follow each note. So when I'm driving, I'm very, but I'm going to fall asleep, not at all, so I'm hyper-awakened while driving, and I'm not tired, it's quite surprising. So afterwards, well, tears do come, tears of ecstasy, it exists, and as a doctor, I draw attention to the fact that these tears do not wet. You can, you see, it doesn't wet, it evaporates very, very quickly. I have had no studies of ophthalmology on this kind of tear, and medicine could take care of it to know. The second thing, what does a doctor do when someone says, I'm crying? He's crying, so he's depressed. But that's not true. There are tears that relieve. You have, at some point, an expansion of the heart, which is such that, for example, you have a show and such beauty, or another element, you have, as if the heart were going to explode, and you go into tears. But these are tears that relieve. And this one, on the contrary, you have to let people cry. You have to know how to analyze. And that allowed me to make some progress with the patients. To tell them, no, no, no, no, look a little more, and afterwards, when you have emptied this extraordinary funnel, well, you are well, and you are relieved, you don't need to look for magnesium, to compress it. I find a way of serenity, so I go where I like it, in myself. Because the problem is to listen to yourself. We are in a world where there is only noise, and people no longer listen to each other. So you have to learn your inner voice. Learning from people who live only in noise, or who cannot get out of the noise, is not easy either. But you have to go and get it. And it's by saying, it's going to happen to me, because I did an internship, that it's going to happen. There are still people who can help you, to make progress, despite adversity. That is to say, for you, for example, when we say, we really have to find our true self, and for you... Yes, because it's the inner voice. Well, we can put all the words we want. The problem is often when I am alone, and I manage to make a certain void. It's not easy to make the void in the noise, because there are particular situations that allow, either by reading, or sometimes in a film, to find yourself in such a state of emotion that one wonders why, having read this or that, why one has been touched in one's deep notoriety. And that is a certain voice. On the other hand, people, you have some, they will be played regularly, it's very good to play with fear. Well, if we play with fear, we will explain something to them. So we are looking for something, but it's not necessarily a voice. And when you were, that is to say, you feel that you are music, what is this feeling? Is it total freedom? Is it infinite happiness? It's happiness, if you will. I was a music technician, but now, if I hear, even if it's a transistor, I don't need to have an extraordinary EFI channel. I have one at the bottom, but I hardly ever listen to it. I can listen to my little transistor, or the little music on my laptop, that's enough for me, because it transports me. I went from the sound that was analytical to a sound that transports and brings energy. We can find our true self. Yes, it's true personal and profound nature, that's what we have to try to bring. We are in a current world that prevents this kind of thing. Why do a lot of people sometimes change their profession 180 degrees from what they were doing? Because they don't find themselves. And when they find themselves, well, at that moment they have a voice that allows them to walk. What is your perception of our chaotic world at the moment? Well, it's the law of chaos, but the law of chaos is not the law of chaos. There are people who break everything to see. Well, what are we? People tell you, we change air, we change this and that. I don't know if we change air or if we don't change it, but the goal is to live and adapt. Man is there for that. The problem is that when you live only in chaos, there are people who get scared and don't know where they are. And the goal right now is to forge this total chaos. Do we have to tell you that we are going to try to manipulate man? I may not have dared to say so far, but still, a herd of sheep is when there is a dog that barks behind that goes straight or changes places. Maybe that's what's going on. And before concluding our interview, I would like to know what is your message for people in the scientific field who do not dare to accept what we have already discovered about EMI? Yes. Well, I'm not talking about EMIs anymore. In the sense of the most beautiful tunnel, the most beautiful light. There are millions of cases now. It is said that about 10% of the population has experienced this. No, because you have to look at what they believe they have experienced. And then you have to see. The most important thing about an NDE or an EMI is not so much the take-off, which is more important. I say it's the landing. And the landing, we know that the track is going to be too short. And you have to learn to live in this incarnation, to return to your flesh, incarnation, and at that moment to relive with the elements experienced and to apply them. Many people are divided between these two aspects. And the goal is to come back to yourself and with a certain acceptance, which is not, how to say, forced, but to learn to live with it. And that's a little bit what I learned and what I want to convey. It is above all this separation. So we are not looking for, we are looking for in associations, the most beautiful this, the most beautiful that. But that's not it. You have very short EMI, which are very, very beautiful and which allow the evolution of the person, which is fantastic. So for scientists, I think the scientist has to stay curious. He has to stay curious. And it's this curiosity of the child. I love to look at little children, because every time they ask the question, or other questions like that. But the scientists, they manage to accept a dogma which is imposed. Besides, medicine only lives on dogmas. I did 40 years of medicine. What we had learned at school, we burn it 10 years later and we change it all the time. But all of a sudden, there is a kind of dogmatism, if you will, which is imposed. Thank you very much, Dr. Samson. May is beautiful, breathtaking, timeless and moving. Discover 5,000 years of history in an art inspired by the divine. Vive Chez Noon!