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just yesterday the ongoing legal battle
that President Trump is facing right
here in New York experienced you could
say a bit of a Twist that's because the
testimony that was given by an executive
from Deutsche Bank it appeared to
completely shatter The Narrative that
was being pushed by Miss letia James the
Attorney General of New York however in
order to explain the significance of
what this executive said while on the
witness stand well I need to quickly set
the stage for you regarding this entire
lawsuit as you may know included among
the Myriad of different legal cases that
have been lobbied against President
Trump you have the case which was
brought forth by the New York attorney
general Miss Leticia James this 200 Page
civil lawsuit was brought forth back in
September of last year and it accuses
president Trump three of his adult
children as well as the Trump
organization itself of lying about their
asset values when applying for bank
loans quote in her lawsuit Miss James
claimed that over a 10-year period from
2011 through 2021 president Trump and
the other defendants had engaged in
numerous acts of Fraud and
misrepresentation in the preparation of
Mr Trump's annual statements of
financial condition which included
deceiving insurers tax officials and
lenders by allegedly inflating the value
of his properties including his Mar Lago
estate over in Florida Miss Leticia
James claims that this lawsuit of hers
is the result of a three-year long
investigation and here's specifically
what she's hoping to achieve with the
actual case quote Miss James a Democrat
is seeking $250 million in penalties and
wants to ban president Trump from doing
business in New York and from engaging
in real estate Acquisitions in the state
for 5 years she's also seeking for him
and his children to be barred from
serving as highlevel Executives at any
company in New York okay so the basic
claim here being made by the New York
attorney general is that President Trump
and his company they inflated the value
of their Assets in order to get better
lending terms from Banks meaning that
despite the fact that these Banks
conducted their own due diligence
despite the fact that after conducting
that due diligence they gave the Trump
organization these loans despite the
fact that these loans and all of the
interest on the loans were paid back in
full and despite the fact that these
Banks themselves appear to want nothing
to do with these lawsuits well Laticia
James still decided to sue the Trump
organization on behalf of the banks
which just as an aside was actually the
Fulfillment of a campaign promise that
she made while running for attorney
general take a listen we will all rise
up and resist this man and ultimately
we'll bring him down Donald Trump has
got to go hey
hey Donald
TR the day of Donald
[Applause]
Trump now for his part over the past
month and a half now though the case has
been a trial president Trump as well as
his legal team have been maintaining the
position that these loans were
negotiated fairly that the interest and
the principal was paid off in full and
that the only reason that that Leticia
James filed this lawsuit at all was for
political purposes however up until now
everything in this case has been from
the prosecution side meaning that the
Attorney General's office has been the
one calling forth all the witnesses but
right now it's the defense's turn to
call witnesses and that they did
yesterday Trump's legal team they called
an executive from Deutsche Bank to the
witness stand and this executive's
testimony well it really called into
question the entire premise of Leticia
James's argument specifically Mr David
Williams who directly worked on at least
one of the loans that were obtained by
Trump from the bank he testified that
it's not unusual for there to be a
discrepancy between the bank's
assessment of a property and that of the
clients quote David Williams who worked
on at least one of the three loans doche
Bank made to Trump in the years before
he was elected president testified on
Tuesday that it's atypical but not
entirely unusual for the bank to cut a
client stated asset value by 50% and
approve the loan anyway as it did with
Trump furthermore there were were
several exchanges during the questioning
phase which revealed something that
frankly most people in real estate
already know which is that during the
loan process there is a natural back and
forth between the client and the bank
wherein the client tries to provide the
highest valuation of their asset
possible while the bank tries to lowball
the value and they meet somewhere in the
middle quote according to internal Bank
credit memos used as evidence in the
case Deutsche Bank which loaned Trump
hundreds of millions of dollars for
properties in Miami Chicago and
Washington cut a stated net worth in
2011 and 2012 from about $4.2 billion to
$2.3 billion when evaluating his loan
requests the same documents show that
the bank approved the loans anyway
because it expected them to generate a
profit based on Trump's history of
successful developments and other
criteria and then during the actual
questioning this Deutsche Bank executive
he said that it's actually standard
practice to review a client state of net
worth and then adjust devaluation as
needed here are a few short Snippets
from the exchange between Trump's lawyer
and Mr Williams Trump's lawyer asks
quote is the bank capable of reaching
its own judgment based on the evaluation
it makes of the guarantor's financial
condition Mr William responds by saying
certainly yes then Trump's lawyer asks
about due diligence to which Mr Williams
responds by saying as part of our due
diligence we subject a client's asset
value to adjustments it's part of our
underwriting process we apply it to
every client regardless of what's
reported the lawyer then asked is a
difference of opinion in asset values
between the client and the bank a
disqualifying factor to extend credit Mr
Williams says no why not Mr Williams
then says the following it's just a
difference of opinion I think we expect
clients to provide information to be
accurate but such financial statements
are made largely relying on the use of
estimates and indeed according to
earlier testimony that was given by
President Trump when he himself was on
the witness stand he made the argument
that his estimates for the values of his
properties they included the potential
value of future development as well as
the Boost that the properties would
receive from the overall Trump name and
so that is the essence of the witness's
testimony that these valuations are
estimates on both the client side as
well as on the bank side and that
regardless of what the client says the
bank always conducts their own due
diligence anyway which ties directly
back to the argument that Trump's
lawyers are making in this particular
case which is that no banks were
financially harmed by loaning to either
president Trump to his kids or to the
Trump organization however on the flip
side even after this testimony for Mr
Williams the lawyers representing the
state of New York they continue to
double down on their argument for
instance quote Kevin Wallace a lawyer
for Leticia James told the judge at the
end of the day that the bank executive's
testimony does not undercut the state's
case because the trial doesn't hinge on
whether Deutsche Bank was a victim
instead he said it's whether Trump
knowingly created and used false
financial documents meaning that the
state argument here is that even if
there are absolutely no victims at all
both Trump and the Trump organization
can still be found guilty regardless
though this testimony did have the
effect of essentially undermining the
state's portrayal of Deutsche Bank as
one of Trump's biggest victims however
that might all not really even matter
that's because this case is not playing
out before a jury instead this is what's
known as a bench trial with judge Arthur
inran as the sole determiner and he has
already determined several months ago
that President Trump was guilty of
committing fraud in fact right after
this Deutsche Bank executive gave his
testimony on the witness stand Trump's
attorney he turned to the judge and he
asked them to immediately issue a
verdict in favor of the defendant
meaning president Trump arguing that the
testimony from the bank executive had
destroyed the claim that any of the
alleged asset inflation was material to
the bank's decisions here's specifically
what Trump's lawyer told the judge quote
the bank had no problem with a $2
billion difference a $3 billion
difference large changes to net worth
Are Not Unusual there's been no
demonstration of any materiality issues
at all however this story gets a lot
Wilder which we'll get into right after
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however the judge was not convinced
without that argument and he responded
simply by saying this quote the mere
fact that lenders were happy doesn't
mean that the statute wasn't violated
and so there you have it the banks
themselves appear to have been perfectly
fine with both the estimates as well as
the loan terms but the state is still
pursuing the case anyway arguing that
regardless of the bank's opinions the
Trump organization did lie on the
official forms which is a crime now
moving forward the defense is set to
call another three current and former
Executives of Deutsche Bank as Witnesses
in order to essentially flip the script
even further on the prosecution's
version of events those testimonies they
should be coming in today tomorrow and
on Friday and just for your general
reference because the judge in the case
has already determined that President
Trump is guilty of financial fraud the
rest of the trial is mostly about
figuring out the dollar amount of the
fine that will be levied against Trump
as well as his organization as I
mentioned earlier Miss Leticia James is
pushing for a $250 million fine which
she claims is the amount of illegal
profit that the Trump organization made
when they inflated their Assets Now if I
had to wager a guess here I would assume
that the reason that Trump's lawyers are
calling these different bank Executives
to the stand well it has less to do with
lowering the dollar amount of the actual
fine and more to do with the inevitable
appeal of this case because when they
take this case to appeal all the
testimonies from these different bank
Executives they will be in the official
transcripts that is of course just my
guess I think that because they've
already been found guilty getting these
Bank Executives to to say their peace on
the witness stand has more to do with
the appeal process rather than the fine
again just my guess regardless though
moving forward we have several more
Banker testimonies to look forward to
and then subsequently on December the
11th which is two weeks from now
president Trump is set to once again
take the witness stand himself and so
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