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I'm very happy to be able to interview Fu Si, a member of the Toronto Civic Association, on our show. Hello, Fu Si. Hello, hostess. We're going to talk about June 4th today, because the 35th anniversary of June 4th is coming up. As a post-80s person, you were only 2 years old when June 4th happened in 1989 in mainland China. Before you went abroad, how did you get in touch with the June 4th incident? When we were growing up, the CCP's network barrier was not as severe as it is now. So we were able to see some photos and videos from when we were 0 years old. So we were able to get some very shallow insights from those photos and videos. We knew that the CCP had fired guns, we knew that there was a massacre, but we didn't know the specifics of what was going on. We also lacked a complete understanding of June 4th. I would like to know, if you saw some photos, for example, I don't know what photos you saw, were they photos of students getting injured or dying? What was your feeling at the time? My feeling at the time was that I was an outsider. Because this history is not part of Chinese education. So when I saw it, as a teenager, I didn't know how to understand this history. Maybe this is just something that happened in history. It doesn't seem to have much to do with our current life. Our current life is like the economy is developing. Life seems to be getting better and better. But I don't think about what the meaning behind it is. It is very limited by the age at the time, the limitation of cognition, and the limitation of the social environment, as well as a serious limitation in the entire framework of education. I believe that your classmates and friends around you are probably similar to you. I don't know how many years ago you went abroad to Canada. Actually, I went abroad very early. I went abroad in 2009. I came to Canada in 2020. So after you went abroad, can you tell us how you came into contact with the truth of June 4th? Yes, in fact, I came into contact with the history of June 4th in a way that I took the initiative to get to know it. That's how I really got to know the full picture of June 4th. In fact, when I went abroad for the first time, or even for a very long time, I didn't get to know the history of June 4th. The real trigger for me to take the initiative to get to know it was because the three-year epidemic was over. It made me think about why the CCP regime would implement such a very inhumane, very unscientific policy. Then I would learn about some of the history of the CCP, including the history of the June 4th massacre. Then I would read some books to really understand what happened on June 4th, what was the background of June 4th, and what was its impact. Which year did you start reading books about June 4th? I started reading books about the history of China gradually in 2021 and 2022, to really understand that a series of very unnecessary humanitarian disasters Let's talk about the history of June 4th. Can you tell us which books or which books had a very big impact on you, about the history of June 4th? In fact, the very beginning of my understanding was through some documentaries, including the documentary about Kama, Tiananmen Square, to see the process of June 4th. When I was watching the documentary, I had a very partial understanding of the whole incident, because of the angle of the documentary, and the angle of the victim's guilt, to study that period of history. So I watched this documentary very early on. So I've always had a very big misunderstanding about June 4th, and I'm more resistant to really understanding what caused the June 4th massacre, and what caused the CCP's regime to give orders to suppress it by force. But after three years of cleaning up, I started to think about it. To analyze this period of history from the point of view of the victim's guilt, I think it's very biased. Through this curiosity, I came across a book that was recently published, which was written by a professor of Chinese history at the University of Canada, Professor Zhou Jierong. He's the director of the Department of History at the University of Simofesha. He wrote a book called June 4th, and through that book, I had a very systematic understanding of June 4th. So through this book, can you tell us what you think about June 4th? Through the June 4th incident, we were able to see through the CCP. Can you tell us how you saw through the CCP through the June 4th incident, and how it was able to shoot at the people, and use tanks to suppress students and civilians? Yes. This book has a very diversified perspective. It's not just about what happened on June 4th in Tiananmen Square. It's about the history of June 4th, especially the history of June 4th since the beginning of the CCP's rule. It's about how June 4th became a bloodbath for students. It was a bloodbath for students including the beatings in the 1980s, and the implementation of the birth control policy. This brought a very serious physical and mental blow to the people. This blow became a bloodbath for students to start a school dynasty, and to demand their rights, to pursue freedom of the press, and to stop corruption. But it also detailed how the government dealt with the development of the student dynasty. You can see from this that the structure of the government has never left the authoritarian government. It has always been a dictatorial government. It's just that the dictator is one person, or a group of people. During June 4th, the dictator was Deng Xiaoping. Deng Xiaoping used the iron fist to rule the country. This iron fist was used in many places including Yanda. Yanda used very unreasonable charges to suppress a very large group of people. In addition, it also used force to suppress peaceful protests and protests in other places. It's worth mentioning that in March 1989, a group of Tibetans gathered in Lhasa, Tibet, to protest against the independence of Tibet and to suppress the protests. In the eyes of researchers, this kind of suppression and suppression is the only way to believe that suppressing protests is the only way. It's a pity that those who protested in the square and those who supported the student movement in Beijing didn't realize that the CCP never wanted to negotiate with students. This is why they ignored this possibility. They couldn't protect themselves and couldn't prevent the CCP's final result As a member of the Civil Society, I know that you are all young people. As a member of the Civil Society, what do you think about the massacre 35 years ago? At that time, Chinese young people bravely stood up and took to the streets. They even resisted to fight for democracy and freedom for all Chinese people. They sacrificed their lives including the night of June 3rd and the morning of June 4th. In fact, they had the opportunity to evacuate the square. However, many students stayed at the monument. They didn't evacuate. They knew what they were facing. At that time, they sacrificed their lives to fight for democracy and freedom for all Chinese people. Do you think that you are all young people in the Civil Society? What kind of spirit did you learn from the students? In fact, most of the members of the Civil Society were born after 1989 and even after 1990 and 2000. Especially when they grew up, the Internet was more difficult. In order to understand June 4th, they had to go through many obstacles. As you said, during the June 4th protest, the young people bet their youth and their future to negotiate with an authoritarian government to seek freedom for all Chinese people. I think that their spirit showed the world that the people have such a desire for freedom and such a sense of responsibility and courage. I think this spirit is a good example for the young people I think that the young people should know what kind of price the young people paid for the June 4th protest. They should know that 35 years later, the young people are still at the forefront of telling the world about June 4th. I think that this is a very unfair situation because every time they come out to talk about the June 4th protest and their experience of real gunfire and military suppression, it is a very serious injury to them. So I think that the young people should understand the significance of this weight. They should stand up bravely to shoulder this weight and share this courage and this injury We also saw that in the winter of 2022, the white paper movement broke out. Do you think that many young people stood up for the white paper movement and shouted out the slogan of the Communist Party? At that time, they did not publicly shout out the slogan of the Communist Party. They still had the attitude of improving the Communist Party. But now the young people have shouted out the slogan of the Communist Party. Do you think that the Chinese people still have a fundamental change in their thoughts? I think that this awakening has always existed in China. As you said, 35 years ago, the students on the square may not have achieved to change the government's autocratic system. But there were workers and other social groups who wanted to change the system. For example, there were three gentlemen who damaged Mao Zedong's portrait At that time, they shouted out the slogan of the Five-Year Autocracy. I think their call was to call on the government to stop the autocracy and return the power to the people. At the time of the interview, there were some people who were calling for freedom of election. So the Chinese people have always hated the autocratic government. Such people have always existed. I am very glad that during the White Paper movement, the CCP's control of the Internet and the people's thoughts are getting worse and worse. In particular, they use modern technology to control the people's thoughts. In such a high-pressure situation, you can see the slogan of the Communist Party, Xi Jinping, and the autocratic government. As long as there is pressure, this spirit will always be there. We can see that in Hong Kong, before 2019, there was a large-scale anti-extradition bill, but now it is no longer possible. The National Security Law, Article 23, and the recent arrest of the vice-chairman of the CPPCC, Zou Xintong, and her mother, the freedom of Hong Kong people has been compressed. In this situation, many people are getting more and more pessimistic. How can we be positive including overseas Chinese and mainland Chinese? What should we do now? Yes, I am both pessimistic and optimistic. As you said, what we are fighting against is the confrontation between public opinion and the system. In China, there is no room for resistance. They are completely atomized. It is very difficult for them to organize and resist this kind of autocratic government. What we can do overseas is to spread the truth of this kind of historical truth to more people, so that more Chinese people can realize that the CCP system is not a system where you are a beneficiary and enjoy the benefits of this system. In the end, everyone is a victim of this system. The three-year epidemic is the best example. In this epidemic, everyone is a victim of this system. They have no freedom. Their policy is not to control the epidemic, but to control people's thoughts and actions. This way of controlling the epidemic makes the CCP realize that they can use this way to control the Chinese people This kind of control should make everyone realize that no matter what role you play in China, you are the target of the CCP. I am optimistic that more and more people will realize this. What we need to do now is to reduce the number of Chinese people who are controlled by the CCP. We need to spread the truth of this kind of thought to them. Indeed, we have seen that the CCP has been concealing the truth for a long time. This means that it is very afraid. It is afraid of the people knowing the truth. It is even afraid to say the word So, I think that the National People's Congress should hold a commemorative event to let more people 去正正是这个历史去了解真是真正的这个真相哈嗯就是非常非常好的 是的是的中文你所说 当局是非常的惧怕六四那惧怕六四之外他们也惧怕白纸运动的白纸所以 我们之前曾经传播一句话就是一个惧怕白纸的政府哇所以我们真的是没有什么好惧怕 只有当我们意识到了恐惧是他们统治的工具我们才能够去压压制 心里面对极权政府的这种这种恐惧能够勇敢的去站出来去 把真相去了解然后把真相去传播 我们简单介绍一下今年的六四35周年哈你们公民会 会举办什么样的活动 是的其实在今天之前我们公民会已经参与和组织了好几次好几场活动就包括上周我们 有和白纸运动的一些团体进行连动播放了白纸的纪录片乌鲁木齐中路 然后去声援白纸运动也是今年六四 然后我们在昨天5月30号30号在推特空间的平台上我们有开展了读书会活动就专门去讨论了周杰伦教授的六四这本书也邀请到了周杰伦教授 作为嘉宾去探讨中国的这段历史他的影响以及他的以及中国的未来 这段录音也会在上传到公民会的油管的平台上也吸引 节目的录音也在推特空间上一直是存在的所以是非常欢迎大家去收听 去听听周杰伦教授他的见解以及他这本书里面的一些介绍就是中英文还是中文 他这本书现在是以英文发表我们的讨论是中文讨论 我在读书会上也问了周教授这本书什么时候能够翻译成中文 这也呼吁一下如果有有能力的出版商有能力的翻译者能够把这本帮 帮助让这本书的中文版面试就是非常欢迎您去联系周杰伦教授 那今天6月1号我们公民会会和多伦多支持中国民运会的一个香港组织和民主中国阵线 一起联合主办在多伦多的Mel Lassman Square 去举行六四烛光晚会那我们这次口号是延续维源烛光兼具中共渗透 就其实就是您之前提到的在香港的维源的六四纪念已经 不被当局允许那我们就要在全国各地让维源的烛光去散播开来去继续去纪念六四 六月四号下午呢在六点钟我们会在中国驻加拿大的多伦多大使馆门口去进行集会抗议 抗议结束之后我们会游行到多大Hot House六四纪念碑的前面 然后公民会会主办一个音乐演奏去纪念六四这段历史 所以是非常欢迎在多伦多当地的人群去来参加我们的活动去一起去纪念六四 在现场能够进行交流然后去了解真相了解这段历史 非常感谢傅慈接受看中国肖然访谈的采访好谢谢谢谢主持人谢谢再见再见 普世价值弘扬传统与您一同守护台湾的未来