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Terrence Howard recently came under the spotlight for claiming on the Joe Rogan Experience that he can kill gravity and that 1x1 equals 2. In response, Piers Morgan invited mathematician Eric Weinstein, YouTuber Tom Bilyeu, and yours truly to discuss Terrence’s wildly unhinged claims, science, and the public's trust in science.
During our heated discussion, I called out my colleague Eric for not being harsh enough to Terrence when he had the chance to on Joe Rogan. Enjoy!
I feel like there is a tendency because
of this anti-authoritarian moment that
we seem to be in to view science as
authoritarian and then to rebel against
it we look to Heroes and people like
Terrence or Candace Owens or or people
like um Tucker Carlson and they get
enormous platforms because of their
social media statute but to me you know
to listen to people uh who have no
domain expertise and no proven track
record is an affront to actual
practicing scientist and it's fine to
have a hobby it's fine to do things you
know out of an avocational love for it
but it's a bit to me an example of the
halo effect which is a cognitive bias
and you have people you're listening to
in some cases it's it's akin to
listening to your friend peers you know
in your Tate for marital advice uh it's
it's he may be a great MMA star and
Terren may be a great actor but that
gives them no and confers no benefit to
their scientific practices and like me
going onto the set of of Iron Man and
you know trying to be like Terrence you
would laugh me off off the stage and
rightfully so so we have to look at and
examine these claims that amateurs can
do good science you know Eric pointed
out in the interview that there's some
babies in with the with the bathat and
I'd love to ask my dear friend Eric to
expound upon those particular babies
because to me to say that there might be
some angle or something like that or
some drone or it sounds to me a little
bit like damning with faint praise as
well because if you go through and and
there's 97 patents that he claims he has
we go through them we find out that very
few of them have been granted uh there
may be a couple that have been granted
uh you go through 1 Time 1 equals two
Eric demonstrated clearly that's not the
case you go through the periodic table
uh his his ideas are completely wrong
there his claims about gravity and
building planets that he's built the
planet Saturn or it comes out of a
biological digestive process of the sun
these things are complete completely uh
fallacious so I think there's a danger
and it's it's a symptom of the halo
effect the pro I mean just in point
about Andrew Tate he's not a friend of
mine he's someone I've interviewed three
times but the point I make about him I
this debate with someone the other day
is he has a huge following uh on social
media regardless of whether people like
me interview him at least when I
interview him I get a chance to
challenge him and I've really noticed
when young men in particular come up to
me in the street which they do with
alarming regularity about Andrew Tate
that actually the the conversation I
have with them has moved from God you
know Andrew Tate isn't he amazing blah
blah blah too I really liked it when you
challenge him about this this and this
in other words shining a light on people
like Andrew T actually challenging them
on a big platform can I I see tangible
impact on the street of those challenges
kicking through into people's
Consciousness in a way they wouldn't if
he was just able to do his thing
slightly below radar on social media
without ever being challenged so that's
my kind of theory about why I interview
people like him which is in itself open
to to debate obviously Eric just in that
response to the the baby and bathwater
what would you say to uh to Brian
keating's point
there well I tried to say it already
that if you take um the vertices of a
tetrahedron uh as measured from the
center you're looking at an angle of the
cosine of minus 13 which is about 109.2
7 in degrees and if you take the
interior angles of a regular pentagon
it's 108 so 108 is not 109.2 s but it is
close enough so that within engineering
tolerances you can put six of these
motors into a regular tetrahedron and
then you can potentially therefore uh
Traverse all of the dimensions needed to
orient the object around its Center of
mass and to move it to any3 dimension
space I've stated that clearly uh to any
technical person who wants to hear it it
may be that there's prior art and it
maybe that it doesn't end up being that
interesting because of the tolerances or
it's too difficult to work that's fine
but I've already stated what the what
the baby is and further you know Brian I
was I was very surprised that you just
corrected me on social media now of
course we're friends and so I don't mind
having this back and forth but you
stated that in my field
um that uh peerreview is much older than
uh gilain Maxwell who was born in
1961 and it's you cited a bunch of
journals and physics and in fact that's
simply not
true um we we well you know I have
Melinda Baldwin's article here uh which
says uh however most papers accepted for
physical review never went out to
referees at all the editor accepted most
papers on its own authority Consulting
referees only when he thought he might
want to reject a paper it was not until
the 1960s that all peer review that all
physical review papers were sent out for
external referee opinion more or less
peer review comes out of
Utah in
1972 through Senator Wallace Bennett's
Amendment um that forces the issue into
the NIH framework because the
Medicare um Act was established in 1965
making the US taxpayer responsible for
medical payments that they suddenly
wanted access to knowing why are we
paying all of this money to Doctors
Without the ability to question them so
you know in part what I'm astounded
by is that we're not even aware of our
own history if George Green the Miller
with no formal
education U mailed off a solution to an
inversion problem for for differential
operators which is what gives us greens
functions which Fineman made
famous
um he didn't have any training
whatsoever it's in part very dangerous
to be offended when people listen to
what we say and they then say I keep
hearing that science is for everyone and
that mathematics is a great place to
play there are no bad
questions and then when they here to
take an interest uh we cut their heads
off and I my feeling is is that uh I'm
not going to do that I'm going to State
what this is this is an elite activity
it's elite the way a violinist is Elite
it's a it's elite the way a surgeon is
an elite brain surgeon you're not going
to have somebody say hey I've been doing
brain surgery in my backyard on my
family members and I'm ready for prime
time um we are not honest about the
extent that this that this is an elite
community and the last thing that I
would I would add to what you said is um
part of the problem is where are the
dissident scientists who don't go along
inside of the University system inside
of the research
institutions if you had them they would
have been uh tarred and feathered during
Dei because they would have said who are
these foreign Intruders into the
academic arena we must fire them and get
them out Claudine gay could never have
become president of Harvard
what we've done is we've gotten rid of
all of the dissenting experts and the
dissenting experts who are going to get
up and at the top of their
lungs say hey we've got a disaster in
theoretical physics at the moment uh we
have an abomination in the way in which
we are pretending that uh random
mutation is
decidedly the uh the main engine of
darwinian selection uh we're going to
pretend
that neoclassical economics Is On Solid
Ground um all of these things are are
just absolutely silly and effectively
there are no professors who are standing
up in good standing as experts doing the
job that now Candace Owens is going to
fill and I promise you that it's it's
more expensive to get rid of your
denters who actually know what they're
talking about than it is to open it up
to a public that wonders whether they've
just ended you know shorten the life of
their child by giving them an un
necessary experimental pseudo vaccine