The Differences In USA & Australia's Politics | Joe Rogan & Russell Crowe

Ah, the navigation aspect, how you help people, you know, your children navigate the world. Don't help too much. Yeah, but how do you explain some of the bullshit that goes on politically and stuff? Because I remember being extremely idealistic when I was like, you know, my teen years and very politically focused. And I just got to a point where I was like, you know, everyone's a bullshit artist. There's not one of these guys that I can really say that, you know, I'd follow into battle. So I'll just stop worrying about politics and go on to something else, you know. But you see the same processes going on with them. They're trying to reach out for something to believe in. And somebody that they believed in, you know, has a policy or whatever that, you know, is completely abhorrent to the way of thinking. So you can see them having to come to grips with, you know, it's very hard to find a hero. Yeah. You know, particularly in that world. It's particularly in that world. But that world is set up for fools. It's set up for people that can just become a figurehead. I don't know who said it first, but it was used in the Andrew Lloyd Webber, Tim Rice musical Evita. Politics is the art of the possible. So it's not really connected to anything. It's like, what can we get away with? Right. What can we tell you that we're going to do and then never do it? Right. It's the art of the possible. Well, you're seeing that now in American politics more than ever, because the person that's actually in office is saying what she's going to do if she gets in office. Right. Which is just like. You're there. This is madness. Like, this is and people like, yeah, she's going to do it. Like, she's been in there for three years. Like, what are you talking about? This is crazy. But people want to believe so badly. We want someone to be the person that rescues us from whatever situation we're currently in. And that's always been the case. The unfortunate thing is, and it affects Australia as much as it affects here. We have such an aggressive media situation and the media's need for new information, new stories, whatever that timeline is. You're just not going to get people of quality stepping into that world anymore. No. No, who'd want to put themselves through that? There's probably hundreds of potentially incredible presidents. Oh, yeah. In this country, but they're too smart to walk that way. Yeah, it's a real problem. It's a real problem. It's only going to get worse. And our desire and our hunger for bullshit and to focus on what did he do when he was in high school? Right. You know, what did she say when she was on Twitter when she was 22? Like, what are you talking about? We have to put that shit aside. Recognize that people are just human beings and stop dragging out old shit just to make your party win because it ruins the entire system. Yeah. Well, that is the thing, isn't it? It's just like picking a color and no matter what happens under the banner of that color, you're just sticking with the color. Yeah. It's like, well, that's not really going to help any of us. No. You know, that's not the way it's going to go. I don't know what your political system's like, but we're completely trapped in this two-party system. Yeah, we have the same sort of situation. We have a very interesting thing that's happening in Australia at the moment, which is the rise of independence. And it's happened federally and also at a state level too, but also in city government as well, where non-party affiliated people are standing. And so now you have a situation where in the parliament, you have a group of them. As you know, I don't know the exact numbers, 10 or 15 or something independent. The main party has to deal with the fact that those independents are going to bring a non-party line series of points to the argument. And it's working well. You know, it's working for us in that it's making both of the main parties re-examine who they are and what they stand for. Yeah, we could use that here for sure. Because people are just so sick of that. Color choice. They're reaching for something else. Well, it's also people recognize that a lot of us that claim to be on one side or the other really are somewhere in the middle. Most people have opinions that are a little bit of a conglomeration of both conservative and liberal perspectives, especially like liberal, socially, fiscally conservative. There's a lot of people like that. And they're not represented. Not at the moment. No, not at the moment. And in this country, it's the worst that's ever been in terms of the polarization of the two sides. You think of the other side as an idiot, no matter what. No matter what, that person's got to be a moron. They think differently than I do. They support this side. I support that side. And I'm all in on my team. And they're all in. It's just a tribal thing. As tribal as any other thing that we have in the world. And in this country, it just doesn't work. And we just get captivated by corporations because of that. And it's also the money in politics is so extraordinary, which is something that should have never been allowed to happen. Yeah, the old, you know, those campaign fundraising situations. Yeah. And the amount of money they just pour into it. But also the rules around the engagement, you know what I mean? The rules of what you can say in an ad that's negative about the other person. It's like, come on. This is ridiculous. You know, it's like these apocalyptic two-minute blasts that come out of your television. That's just all bullshit. But if you're leaning that way, then, you know, it helps your outrage. And it helps you confirm that, yes, well, that's, you know, I'm against that. But when it's just a series of exaggerations and lies, and it just doesn't help anybody. Well, in this country, Kamala Harris recently got caught because the campaign was using articles, and they changed the article. They changed the titles of the article. They put out fake positive articles. And the fact that you can do something like that, you can persuade people to think that people are writing about something when you're actually putting it out there, which is just bananas. It's just a complete manipulation of the zeitgeist. We've got a situation in Australia at the moment where politicians are suing people for, you know, what they say is the loss of their reputation or whatever, right? Because that person might have commented somewhere on social media or something and said, you know, X person is X. And so now, you know, certain politicians have worked out, oh, I can make money out of this. Oh, geez. So they're using their privileged position to then go and destroy somebody's life who might have called them a name on social media. Jesus Christ. Really, mate? It's a bit much. Yeah, you got to put a stop to that. If you're in the public eye, you got to recognize people are going to throw rocks. Absolutely, man. As you're standing for Parliament, you know, or Congress or whatever, it goes for the territory. Yeah, and it also stifles free speech because it scares people into censorship. Right. Well, that's where it gets really dark. Yeah. So now you're saying that you can't make a negative comment about somebody who's in power because they will now take your house away. Yeah. That's crazy. That's dark.