Why pre-fab homes are the future of the housing industry

So the assembly for this is days? Yes. Wow. I would say 50 years from now, this is the process houses built. It's no longer a stick build process. It's something that you would do like you would with a car. The prefab is the future. Today we're gonna be talking about prefab and mod homes, AKA prefabricated and modular houses. Now I've done a video on the harsh realities of owning a prefab house on the channel years ago, and a lot of people were very mad about my opinions about the prefab industry, but that was like four years ago. So much has changed in the world of prefabs. And let me tell you, I'm here for it. I sat down with Vinny, who is very close to the prefab industry. As a matter of fact, we are inside of her prefab house. Literally the brand is called house and it's her house. Now I do wanna be clear that this is not a sponsored video for house, they did not pay me to make this video. I don't even have an affiliate link. I have no skin in the game, but I went to go tour this property a couple months ago. And I just asked her a couple of questions about the logistics and the technicalities of owning a prefab house. And she was so smart that I was like, hey, would you sit down with me for 40 minutes and talk to me about prefabs? And she so graciously agreed. So today we're gonna be talking about financing, permitting, the speed of construction, the logistics, and we're also gonna be diving into the questions of are prefab homes the future of the housing industry? On today's episode of Rob Built. Welcome Vinny, thank you so much for doing this. So we're inside of your prefab. Out of curiosity, how long has this prefab been around? How long has it been functioning? How long has it been on your property? A little over a year. Tell me a little bit about when you actually started to design this property, did you customize this or did this just come sort of straight like this from the factory? I think house me product are pretty standard in general. There's this M1, which is this unit, and we have a smaller unit called micro. So within the M1, there are a few customizations that you might wanna consider. You might wanna have a dishwasher, not have a dishwasher, have a stove top. In my case, I don't want a stove top. Everything else, the customization capability can be seen on the website. So this one has a configuration of a one bedroom, which is an option. So it's kind of like buying a Tesla. You know, the overall vehicle or the overall fab house is defined. Then you have a few things you can click add or delete. Yeah, so this is a really beautiful property. What sort of appeal to you, why did you get a prefab? What's sort of the use case for someone that's looking to buy one of these? Well, I think, you know, obviously ease of installation, right? This thing comes on a semi truck and a crane, and then it basically picks it up from the truck onto where you want it be and release it, and they peel back the sticky, kind of like delivering a car. I think that's the biggest draw, right? Like it's ease of installation. Wait, so this house wasn't assembled in pieces on site. It's just like one product that they just drop? Yeah, so again, Housemeet has two products. This one is the bigger one. It goes on a semi truck, and the micro, given a smaller footprint, just goes on a regular truck. So it's not even like a white load or anything. So it can really get on a truck and go anywhere. And then also, you know, predictability, right? Like if you were to build something, stick build, obviously material, design, something could go wrong. You could build it wrong. And this is something that comes fully assembled as a product. And all the material you see here are not your stick build traditional material. So the durability is much higher, and the quality control is also much higher. Do you think that's the future of prefabs, where most prefabs are built offsite and brought on? Or is it common for prefab companies to sort of assemble these on site as well? Because I think I've seen it like both ways. Yeah, I think it's a matter of cost because in construction business, human labor is a big part of the cost. So if you were transport pieces and have local assembly or a local build, then you would have to hire a crew, which is expensive. You have to manage them. And then there's also human error versus- People that are assembling something that they've never assembled before, for example. Or, you know, you might live in an area that they don't have local talent that could do this. So what do you do? You have to helicopter somebody in. That's gonna get expensive. Sure, sure. Okay, so this usually, especially for the house product, it's all made onsite. When you talk about the quality control, what makes it a higher quality product being built in the factory? Is it just that you have one set of workers that are building it, or are there other factors that might kind of work into the quality aspect of it? Well, you're building in a factory, so all things, whatever can be automated is automated. You take out a lot of the human error component. Things come in kind of pre-assembled pieces, and then they kind of go together in a controlled environment. It's like building a car. Which one you think gives higher quality? On assembly line, inside a Tesla factory, or some mechanic bringing the parts and put it together in your garage? Outside, with no roof, you know? Because that's most, you know, all houses, really, since the beginning of time, have been built outside. And it could rain on it, it could snow on it. There could be a lot of delays in the construction. One of the things that you mentioned that I thought was pretty interesting is the speed of assembly and design. Is it as, is it faster than building a typical house? Like, is a prefab just kind of a, really? 100%, 100%, yeah, because of the standardization. In a prefab situation, no matter who's building it, there's gonna be design of things that's more modular. So you have a whole bunch of standardized component that can come together, and then depending on whatever design, whatever flexibility you offer to the end user, you have very little moving parts, and things are reused in different situations. Again, it's like the car model. You can have exotic car, every piece is custom, or you can have something like Tesla, where they reuse a lot of components. There's not a lot of variation, but everything is kind of reusable, cost is lower, quality control is higher, and then you're able to put things together a lot more efficiently. Wow, okay, so give me the standard timeline for, I guess your frame of reference is obviously gonna be for house. What does that timeline look like? What does the assembly look like? Are we talking days, weeks, months, versus a house? I mean, I think on average, a house is gonna take nine to 14 months to assemble. What does that, how does that shift for a prefab? Days. Really? Yeah. Really, for something like this? Days, yeah. Well, how big is this prefab that we're in right now? This one is 400 square feet. Okay, and then the other one that we toured yesterday, that one is? 120. 120, wow, okay. I imagine that one's probably a little faster to assemble than this one. Right, so this will probably be two and a half, three times more complicated compared to the micro, which is a much smaller footprint. So the assembly for this is days? Yes. Wow, and then that's, I guess, assuming that you have all the parts ready to go. Yeah. Is that something that is, I mean, for, I would say, as someone in the Airbnb business, the supply chain has completely killed furniture, and me even being able to buy furniture and it come in super fast. Has the supply chain issues, has that halted how quickly you could get all your materials? I got good news for you. Everything you see here, including furniture, is included, so there's no furniture to buy. Yeah, but what about all the paneling and the roofing? Has all that pretty accessible still? Yeah, it's accessible, and a company's ability to manage that would set them apart from the competition. I think you've identified a real pain point when people do those prefab things. How soon can they get the parts ready? Is everything ready when they need to be? Obviously, you want to manage inventory just in time, but you also don't want to cause delay. So all of that plays into how good a company can be. Not all prefab companies are equal, in my mind. And I also would say not all prefab companies are real. I think that's the biggest problem that I had. I made a YouTube video a few years ago called The Harsh Reality of Prefabs and Why I Won't Ever Buy Them, and I basically talked about how most prefab companies are fake. They say they have this beautiful render, and they're like, hey, we can 3D print this, or whatever, it doesn't matter. We can assemble it in weeks, and then they've never done it before, and they don't actually have any out in the open. That's really scary, isn't it? Yeah, and then, I mean, I got, I mean, many years ago, we don't have to go into this rabbit hole, but many years ago, before I was even in real estate, I got scammed by a prefab company. It was a container home company in Southern California, and they made it seem real. I was only out $5,000, and it was a whole thing. I'll tell this story another day on the podcast, but basically, at that time, it was such a new concept that all these vendors were out there presenting what seemed a real product, but all they had were renders. So it is so cool to be here and actually be able to knock on everything and see everything. Have you come across that in your line of work? Do you feel like there are still kind of some of these people that are, I'm not saying fakers on purpose, but do you feel like most prefab companies are sort of conceptual and haven't actually launched products? I think delivery is a real issue here. I think anybody with today's AI technology, anybody can draw up a beautiful house, but whether or not you can deliver it is a very different story. So when I talk to friends, they're like, oh, what about this company? What about that company? Yeah, same. So I just tell them, why don't you try to buy one? That'll tell you a lot. And if they're like, we're not so sure, give us $5,000 deposit, and we'll contact you when we're ready, right? So that has been a pretty common experience, I hate to say, but you're seeing one. If you want one like this, we draw up a contract, and somebody sells you this as is, like as what you have seen, which is more than I could say for a lot of other companies. 99% of them. Do you know how many you guys have made and shipped out by any chance? I think we're probably in the dozens instead of installation, yeah? And then we're ramping up production. Yeah, you were mentioning I could buy one now. Yeah, you can definitely buy one now. I could get on the list. Absolutely. And it's not gonna be years of waiting, I guarantee it. Yeah, for sure. So that's what I'm excited about, because we were talking about this beforehand, and I'm looking at buying this $4 million development outside of Austin, Texas. There are 13 different units on there, and for me, I was gonna have people come in and build their own, but given the price of the micro house, $35,000 starting, it kind of just seems like, hey, if I could buy those and put them on there, that could really fulfill that need for me. Talk about the client that is gonna buy sort of the micro versus the client that's gonna buy this house. This is the M1, and so for frame of reference for anyone that's sort of new to this product lineup, the micro is 120-square-foot home, much smaller, not much simpler. I mean, the technology is still in there. It still has everything, yeah. It has everything in it. It's just smaller. But that's $35,000, and then we move into this product, bigger, 400 square feet, more than two times, I mean, really, almost three times. Two and a half, yeah. Yeah, two and a half times the size. The price on this is $199,000, and I believe you said this model is 360? This model is, yeah. Because it's completely tricked out, right? Yeah. Who is the buyer that is looking for that $35,000 product versus this buyer? Because I'd imagine, I mean, we're getting into the cost of regular homes with this. Who is buying both models? I think for the micro, it is pretty much anybody who has a little bit of space in the backyard, maybe not a whole lot, so they're looking for an extra office, maybe they're looking for a granny unit that's not used every single day, but maybe when granny visits, perhaps somebody who wants to do an Airbnb business in the backyard without a whole lot of room. Because of the size, it's so small, it can pretty much fit anywhere. And it can be craned in? It can be, definitely. Is it craned in? Trucked in, it's trucked in. Trucked in. So it's on a truck, as you would, let's say you bought a piece of equipment or something, comes on a truck, no different, it comes on a truck. And then the truck pulls in, you would have to order a crane service as well, and then the crane position itself, then the crane picks it up from the truck and put it on the pad you prepared for it. Can, just out of curiosity, and it's okay if you don't know this, but I'm really curious about this, because I think there are a lot of people that are like, whoa, yeah, $35,000 for an ADU in my backyard, like, sign me up. Can a crane pick up a house, sorry, pick up a micro house and lift it over a house? Yes. Really? Yeah, absolutely, yeah. Wow, super cool. Okay, so that is gonna be for that buyer that's looking for sort of that granny flat. Quick solution, I have limited space, I don't wanna go through any approval process, just give me something that I needed yesterday. I would say micro is probably very good for that. For sure, yeah, $35,000, and I know that one is even more than that, but the $35,000 one does not have a kitchen. No, it does not have a kitchen, it does not have a Murphy bed, it basically is the most basic version. Does it have a bathroom? Yeah, of course. Bathroom, shower, I mean, all of that, right? So it's just, I think it's great for things like disaster recovery, low-income housing, things where cost is a real issue, I think that's great. But for someone who wants to have something a little bit more automated, more flexibility in how they use space, obviously they could choose a different model and pay a little bit more, but still I think is a lot less than what you can do building it yourself. For sure, for sure. Okay, so that one makes sense to me from a client standpoint. Talk to me about the client for something like this, because this is premium. And like I said, it does start to kind of, I know not here in California, but in most of the other states, this is the cost of a regular house. Are regular people buying these or are these houses that are being purchased from more of a higher-end client that's looking for, I don't know, like a space or a house, like a secondary house on their land? I think definitely for someone who has a big property, you know, high-end customer, they want a nice ADU or granny unit. Of course, this makes a lot of sense. It's more spacious, it's more technologically advanced, has a lot of bells and whistles. No doubt about that. However, there are also the customer that bought a piece of vacant land somewhere and does not have electricity hookup. And that is very expensive, at least in California, right? So you would buy a piece of land, you say, wow, it's so beautiful here, it'd be nice to put a house up there until you investigate how much it costs to haul in the electricity, the water, the whole nine yards, all the infrastructure. Yeah, if you don't have a power pole near you, you're gonna be spending a lot of money, for sure. So you would buy something like this and it comes with its own power, it's self-sustainable, and it can go on a top of mountain, it can go on a beautiful lakeside forest. Just use your imagination. These land wouldn't have been very expensive because of there's no infrastructure. And usually it's not considered buildable land. With this, it's not only buildable, it's buildable instantaneously. So let's talk about that a little bit because I find that really interesting with mountains and sort of these more secluded properties. Surely it must be, is it difficult to get a truck to some of these locations and a crane to some of these locations? Or have you all found there's usually a way to kind of make it happen? There's a way to make it happen. I think the team is very creative. We've used like robotic bots to kind of drag it up. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah, so obviously, ideally, there's at least a road. Doesn't even have to be paved, right? A drivable road. But if that is not a possibility, there are other ways to get around it too. Cool. So let's talk about, there's like three things that I wanna cover that sound really interesting to me. One, you talk about disaster relief. I wanna talk about perpetuating a little bit here and then financing. But I wanna close the loop on disaster relief. You mentioned that this is a good product for that. What makes this a good disaster relief product? Is it that it can be assembled so fast at a cost-efficient use? Is that a use case that you're starting to see a need for in the US? Speed of deployment, definitely, right? Cost, quality of construction. Because even though it's a disaster recovery, it's still somebody's dwelling. You don't want it to fall apart. It's pretty nice for that, yeah, for sure. And then- Because FEMA tents right now are kind of like the only real option. Yeah, I actually read in the newspaper, San Jose Mercury News, that San Francisco government, maybe it was San Francisco Chronicle, San Francisco city government approved building of those temporary housing for homeless people with a life expectancy of the unit being, I don't know, years. Don't quote me on that. I don't remember exactly. But it was a finite number of years and months, priced at $119,000 each. For what is, what was it, a tent or a- No, it's a temporary housing. It's a small temporary housing. Yeah, I saw something like that. Right, and I'm looking at it. A lot of people were mad. Right, like what, $120,000, and it's not even gonna last? So compared to that, I feel like this is a much better product. Sure, yeah. Is there any kind of like, obviously it being a prefab, I think one of the things that people get scared about is like, is it just gonna blow away if something were to happen? No, this is actually certified to withstand a Category 5 hurricane. Really? Which is incredible. The hurricane we just had was a Category 3, and is already causing all kinds of damage. So this is actually certified to go Category 5. Wow. Yeah. That's like, that's pretty, so is there, when you deliver these and you put it on the foundation, is there any fastening to the foundation that is done? That's kind of a local installation thing, again, depending on- Oh, right. But if you were going, but you could. Of course. You could get it past- Of course, oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, and I think certain places you might even be required to do that in order to pass inspection. Again, these are kind of specific detail that you would need to consult with the local city, whatever planning, and also consult with the technical team of the company. So I guess I'm curious though, because usually when you're tying it down, it's usually from the inside of the house. If this is completely turnkey, do you know, is the fastening, do you all leave it open in some spaces so that you can fasten it, or is it always kind of done on the exterior? I think there are fastening places that's on the house that, you know, again, the detail, you would have to talk to the- To the local municipality. Yeah. So let's talk about that. I think the big problem that a lot of people run into is permitting, how that works, what, obviously it's gonna be dependent on the city, but I know that there sometimes is a square footage requirement where you don't need a permit. Is that the case that you have found? When it's small enough, you can kind of just drop it as an auxiliary unit on your property? I think in California, maybe other states have different rules, but California is pretty strict in most things. I think 120 square feet falls below the radar screen. It's like, you would go to Home Depot, buy- Like one of the sheds, yeah. Obviously, you do not need a permit to do that. Right, right. And then once you get into the bigger units, you have to kind of work with municipalities. Do people need to submit plans? Do you have plans for prefabs typically? How does that work? Or is it just like, you buy it and kind of have to figure it out on your own? I think we're certified HUD with multiple states for this unit to be a single family house and ADU as well as a trailer. So all of that paperwork is already done. And then a person who's interested in purchasing, they would talk to the local governing body. And then if they need any supporting documents and whatnot in order for that permit to happen, I'm sure the company can help with that. Do you happen to know, it's okay if you don't, but what does it mean to be HUD certified? What is that distinction? It means as a unit, it meets all the requirement of a particular set of regulation. So if you're HUD certified, they don't need inspect and certify component by component. A whole unit has been certified. So it's like pre-certified, meaning they've pre-approved sort of like the engineering and like the construction of it. They say, hey, as long as you do what this plan says, we don't need to inspect it. Yeah, I think it's similar to, let's say you go out and buy a trailer home. I don't think the city inspects inside the trailer home piece by piece and to give you an okay. They just, whoever is the big manufacturer, they have done the same certification process and the product, a whole product is certified rather than this refrigerator is certified, this, I don't know, flooring is certified, that sort of thing. Yeah, yeah. So it creates a little bit of a standardization is my guess for the assembly line. Like you guys, once you kind of work with the government, they're like, yes, good to go. Then that allows you to produce these at mass without being held up by inspectors coming in and checking every process. Yeah, you're not like piece milling things. You're kind of certifying the whole thing. That's my understanding. Yeah, yeah. It sounds about right. I'll fact check that. Yeah, definitely fact check that. Yeah, you're good. And I'll provide the education on it if needed. So does that mean that going back to sort of the quality of the build, all of that is going to be from your team, like the team that's actually in there building it, they're the ones that are running quality assurance on this? For sure, yeah. Yeah, and we're happy to assist customers with any documentation request, you know, those are readily available. So if somebody says, hey, Citi is asking questions on this, you know, I'm sure the team can offer whatever assistance. Yeah. So let's talk about the financing component of it. That was kind of one of my big gripes a few years ago is, you know, the resale was kind of hard because the banks don't really know how to appraise it. Getting loans is kind of hard for the prefab product, whereas when you talk about like trailer homes, double wides, you can get loans for that. Are those the same types of loans you would get on this or is there like a special prefab home loan that exists? I'm not aware of that. So I'm thinking, you know, as far as category goes, the loan would be something called a signature loan, which is the same kind of loan you get when you go out by a car. So these are non-collateral, just based on a customer's credit report. Got it. So the interest rate might be a little higher than like a mortgage, because a mortgage is a collateral in your house. For sure, yeah. That makes sense. So a signature loan is, that's the kind of loan type that would be used for like getting a vehicle? Yeah, yeah, I think so, yeah. And then of course vehicle companies, sometimes they have their own finance company in-house. Obviously not every prefab company is gonna have the same deal, especially the smaller companies. So I would imagine it'll be like a bank provided signature loan. And multiple banks can be competing for this business. And a lot of them are interested. Yeah, that makes, I mean, especially if it is becoming more widely available. I mean, really just the progress that I've seen in the past few years seems to be tremendous. And as more of these companies start to roll out more products, I imagine more loan products will also be created for them. One of the things that I found super interesting about this particular unit is the sustainability aspect. Is it common for prefabs to be more sustainable or is it just the way that this one was equipped? Because I know that the roof has solar panels. Yeah, tell me about that. Well, I think it all boils down to cost, right? Most prefab companies, the reason they're doing this is cost reduction, delivery timeframe, whatever the customer might need. So in order to provide you with a sustainable solution, basically with solar panels, batteries, all that, all of that has to be basically factored into the cost. So when people look at a piece of housing like this, they might be like, oh, it's more expensive. I could go next door, get something less expensive. But have you compared Apple to Apple, right? Does it come with the solar panel that's gonna basically provide electricity for free for life? And not only that, it'll probably generate more electricity than it needs. So then it becomes not just a carbon neutral, but a carbon negative offering. And then the battery, again, is very expensive nowadays. In the future, it could be cheaper. So I definitely see that as a trend, but how do you kind of package everything together, offer it at an affordable price point with quality control and with longevity of the product? I think that's the end goal where everybody's racing towards. Sure, so for this product and we got the solar panels, what are some of the other things to keep in mind if you wanna go off grid? Could a unit like this be off grid? I know electricity is covered, but what about once you get to sort of the water component? Would you need to have water hauled in or would you need a well? How does this one work? Obviously, having a well is good. So the system, the house B product has a filtration system. So if you have natural water source, right? Like streams or a well or whatnot, that will solve the problem. If you're an area with absolutely no water, there is a add-on unit. I think you can check their website. It should tell you specifically what that is that will be able to basically produce water from thin air. And also- Oh, wait, it takes like the humidity? Oh, oh, okay. So they're gonna say like a container where you can haul it in. You do not need to haul anything in. If that is a concern, you're in an area with no water source whatsoever, then you're probably worth to invest into an add-on system like that that will manage your water. Yeah, I didn't even realize that that was available at the consumer level. So then from the waste standpoint, that's another component for going off-grid. Would it just be as easy as getting a septic system installed or is there like composting options too? Yeah, we get asked this question a lot. Where does the waste go? The waste will go where the waste go. There is really no magic. There's no piece of technology that can help you process the waste. So you are camping out, you need to figure out a way to dispose. Dig a hole in the ground. Dig a hole in the ground, yeah. So I would say- That's the original way, right? So whatever septic solution that you choose, that would be where the waste goes. So coming out of the house would be a one-inch tube pressurized and all the waste will be messurized and ready to go. So it feeds into whatever. If you live in the city grid, you have city sewage, it goes into that. If you live on a country property like us, have a septic tank, it'll go into septic tank. If you don't have anything, dig a hole. Yeah, yeah, for sure. So is there a use case for people that want to buy these as a short-term rental, as an Airbnb? Absolutely. Have you seen a lot of interest from people that are like, hey, I can just kind of plop this on this cool piece of land? Yeah, you can, and people do. Really? Yeah, I definitely think this is kind of the have it ready tomorrow backyard Airbnb solution. Yeah, that's what really interests me. I mean, one of the things I tell people is that video I made made a lot of people mad because they're like, he doesn't know anything about prefabs. He just wants to hit them on. I was like, no, I love prefabs. I just want to see a real one. Yeah, just show me the proof, right? Yeah, for sure. We're in the proof. To me, as someone that slept here, it's a perfect Airbnb. Like there is no issues. It's the perfect size. It really does encapsulate the tiny home spirit. And I imagine there's also even a bigger version than this too? Yeah, we can do an M2. So this is an M1 with an A frame. So if you want an M2, they'll basically be those two unit together, but each side will have a slanted roof and together they will form an A. An M? Oh wait, an A? A, yeah. So instead of like this, it'll be like this. So it'll be one slanted roof on one unit and one slanted roof on the other unit. Does that increase sort of the installation time that you have to like connect everything? You have to connect them. It does increase a little bit. It comes on two separate trucks because that's the biggest size the road will fit. I always tell people, you know, it won't do customer any good if I build your house and can't deliver it to you. So whatever that delivery has to fit into our road system. So M1 would be the maximum. So you want an M2, it'll be two M1s delivered and then put together on site. Out of curiosity, I did notice that road out there, kind of narrow. How was it getting it delivered here? Was it like a journey? No, it fits. Really? Not a problem, yeah. It's a semi-truck. It's a standard semi-truck and semi-truck travel these roads all the time. Road maintenance, whatnot, government work, PG&E work. So, you know, it's not a problem. Just another Monday for them, basically. It's not a problem. Yeah, it's a little whiny. You gotta be a little careful, but hey, those are professionals. They know what they're doing. But then like to actually get here. So going on the roads I get and you kind of have this windy road down here. Do they back down? Do they like reverse down here? How does that work? I think it actually got craned here. That road wasn't even there. That road was built after this unit was installed. Wow, really? Yeah. Dang, okay. So you basically just kind of drive through the driveway, right? The gate, pass through the gate, driveway. You park your thing here. And then the crane was ready on the other side. And the crane's on the other side and then the crane just grab it and put it down. This is so big, though. Was it two cranes? No, just one crane. Their crane comes in different sizes. Wow, okay. Did it have like multiple points where it was like strapped? I actually don't remember. Okay, yeah. I can see on the micro house one, but on this one it's just so big. Yeah, no, that's totally cranable. Yeah, is it expensive? Like how much? Craning is expensive. What does that typically run? I don't know. It kind of depending on where you are, which state you're in, that's a pretty big cost variance that you definitely want to factor it in. Yeah, because I remember I got a hot tub craned at my property in Tennessee in Sevierville, Windy Roads, crazy stuff. There was no way to get the hot tub on the deck without a crane. And it was like 800 bucks or something for like a 30 minute job. So I got to imagine a house was going to be thousands. No, 800 sounds very low. So yeah, the craning cost is high. So you, that's again, there's nothing you can do about it depending on where you live. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Do y'all help assist the coordination of that? Oh, absolutely. This is all handled by the company. Oh, I see. Got it, got it. Okay. And then one of the other things I wanted to ask about this property was, is there a whole room for the mechanicals for the well water and the septic? Like is it, or is it like RV hookups? No, no, there's a whole room in the back, basically behind those two shiny metal door. So if you open the door, it'll expose all the connections, all the equipment. So that's kind of a maintenance closet, whatever you need to do, you just go in there to do it. And then last question for me, from the installation standpoint, how long does it take to kind of install, set down, crane on? Is that like a day of work? Yeah, a day, yeah. So, and then there's, are there multiple people that are like, cause I know that the crane is one part. Every time I see container home videos though, they're moving the containers down and there's like four people that are like kind of pushing it and guiding it. Is it a whole crew on site? It wasn't like that. Obviously, depending on topology, how complicated it is, right? All we ask for is a piece of flat land where this thing will sit on. So the first thing we do is make sure it's level. And once it's level, the crane basically just grabs it and put it on. If you hide the right crane, I don't think you need like four people. This doesn't sound right. Oh, okay. Yeah. You have the right piece of equipment. You have the right crane operator, professional. You do not need four people. That sounds kind of dangerous actually. Now, OSHA approved. So you don't even need, I guess I assume that this was on a concrete slab. It can be concrete slab. It can be granite slab, whatever that gives you a steady flat surface. Wow. Okay, cool. So as long as it's compacted and there's like a ground, you can just drop it on there. Is it recommended though to have concrete or is it all kind of the- It depends on your lot. Okay. Right? It kind of depends on your soil. Like everybody have different kind of soil composition. You always do a soil study before you build a house. This is really no different. For sure. So you need to know what you're sitting on and what you can get away with. Talking about topography, typically the reason these land pieces or parcels are so cheap is because they're like that. They're on a cliff, you know, and I think people buy these pieces of land for 5,000 and they think they got a good deal. But when it's like that, it's really expensive to do that foundation. Is it the same thing with the prefab? Like if it's like on a slanted piece of land, do you have to build retaining walls and does it have to get into a fancy- It's the same thing. Construction is construction, right? So I would say, you know, don't buy a piece of land that's super slanted. If you're thinking about prefab, you actually want to get a flat area, at least, you know, for the area- Just for the actual spot itself. For that spot, yeah. Because otherwise you're going to spend a lot of money, you know, trying to build a platform. It doesn't matter what you put on it. The platform still has to be flat. There's no house that's going to sit slanted unless it's built slanted, so. Last thing I just want to ask is, what do you see for the future of prefabs? Like five years from now, what's the landscape look like? Well, I think the prefab is the future and our tagline is future delivered today. So I hope we're the foreigners in this trend, but I'm 100% convinced the trend is here and the trend will only continue forward. I would say 50 years from now, maybe this kind of, this is the process houses build. It's no longer a stick-built process. It's something that you would do like you would with a car. You know, hey, I have a 2028 M1. I'm thinking about upgrading to a 2052 model. You know, can you take a trade-in and get me something new? Yeah, nice. You know, how about next Tuesday? I have half a day. Will the crane be ready? That sort of thing. Well, I'm excited about it. I think from what I've seen, the customization, the modular aspects of it, it seems like it's only going to get better. So we actually did a whole tour of this entire property. Awesome. We broke it down. You gave us everything that we needed to know about it. If you want to watch that tour, give me a favor. Click right here. You're going to see every nook and cranny of this place and I promise it is very cool. It's going to blow your mind. So click right here and also don't forget to like and subscribe. All right, thanks. See you soon, bye.