The Candace Owens Show: Allie Stuckey | Candace Owens Show

cool two minutes for anyway for closing it's for although you don't work or what are we doing all right Ready Set and I'm gonna start all right guys we are rolling into the next episode of the Candice Owens show and I am super excited for this conversation talking all things feminism most of you guys have figured this out I say it all the time but I am NOT a feminist and I'm so proud of that and there are so many elements in so many different conversations that are happening right now I have such a good guest today to discuss them all with me Allie Stuckey welcome to the Kennesaw on show thank you thank you for having me let's get the elephant out of the room ready okay you're pregnant I am I am pregnant you know it could be from all the chick-fil-a that I've been eating - I eat waffle fries probably four times a week and so could be the baby could be the carbs hard to tell but I think in two months we're supposed to have a human yeah two months Wow yeah you do that soon you know about two months like two and a half months and this is your first child our first and it's a girl and it's got to be so interesting so we were just talking about miss limpet before we got started but it's got to be really interesting for you having your first child and this this abortion to be is really hanging up in America at the same time and I can only imagine because I'm so emotionally affected by everything that's going on I'm not pregnant and I have no children totally what's it like for you yeah well I was always pro-life I was pro-life of course before I got pregnant but it does make it more real and that's not to say that you have to have kids in order to have a real authentic reaction to abortion to be very passionate about it of course I know so many people you included who are really passionate about the subject who don't have kids yeah but when you see your child on the monitor when you're getting a sonogram for the first time and you see at just ten eleven weeks so still that first trimester when people are saying oh it's nothing no when you go and you get that sonogram still in that first trimester it's got arms and legs and feet and fingers and toes she's moving around she's got a brain she's got the beating heart that you can see that's when I burst into tears and I didn't think I would be like that but it's this spontaneous reaction of not even realizing you have I mean you realize you have life inside of you but just how human this life is until you see it for the first time when you realize that you helped create that it's an amazing it's an amazing feeling but you also just realize wow these babies everyday thousands a day people without even really thinking about it because they're told they're clumps of cells they're just being discarded and painfully dismembered and it does it makes it a lot more real and also a lot more emotional do you judge people and judges a harsh word but do you judge people that are pro-choice I mean because III will say I started out pro-choice everybody knows my story I started out on the left so I can't deny and I and I'm actually trying to be really much more sensitive which is not usually that will never be an adjective that she use to describe Hannah so ins but I am a little bit sensitive to people that find themselves so adamantly pro-choice because where I think it comes from first and foremost the education system does a tremendous disservice to all women when we are in school we learn about abortion like we're choosing our shoes in the morning like hey would you like to wear a brown shoe or would you like to wear a black shoe do you want to have a baby or not yeah it's very flippant right and and then they also put a tremendous amount of pressure on women look when I was in school they would say like he you this baby's life is gonna be awful if you have it if you don't have a two-car garage and a husband and then you think you're almost being responsible but getting your shoes to have an abortion right and where I think maybe happens for a lot of people is they have an abortion at a young age yeah because they learned it this way and then they feel like they have to adamantly defend it because they don't want to be a hypocrite yeah totally I think what I found is that a lot of people who either had an abortion themselves or who have been passionately defending it they don't really know what happens and so the podcasts on which I have said okay I'm just gonna tell you guys what happens in a first trimester abortion a second trimester abortion and a third trimester abortion and you guys can decide for yourselves if you think that this is something that's defensible based on someone's a socioeconomic status or this is the situation that is surrounding their conception you guys can make that moral judgment and most people whether they're religious are not whether they're liberal or not once they really think about it once they realize the brutality just the physical brutality of abortion and the the barbarism of it they just can't bring themselves to say not only that that's okay but why that's okay it becomes really into Fencibles I was completely vulnerable what I respect is people who are willing to make that moral step or logical step who are saying you know what I thought I knew what abortion was I thought it was all about autonomy I thought it was about women's rights but I was just ignorant and now they've learned what it is and they kind of taken about-face and say okay I have this information there's something I have to do about it I can't just stay the way that I was the people that and I don't even want to say judge of course the Bible tells us not to judge people as and don't condemn them in in the sense that of course we all make mistakes and have erroneous thought processes but the people who know what abortion is exactly like Nero and Planned Parenthood and even some of the Democrats in Congress who know specifically scientifically what abortion is and choose to keep women in the dark choose to deceive women into thinking that this is what's best for them this is like what you said the most responsible thing to do I certainly judge their actions is wrong and I certainly condemn their actions is wrong I think that there's redemption for anyone I think there's grace for anyone I saw the unplanned movie and one of the actors in the in the movie actually was a former abortion doctor he performed thousands of abortions but now he's moved over to the pro-life side and I think that's an incredible testimony that's amazing I don't look at him and say wow well you know you're still really guilty for that I say no oh my gosh you learned from that experience and you were doing so much good for this movement now there's redemption for absolutely anyone even someone like Cecile Richards but do I think what they're doing now is awful and completely condemned condemnable yes oh yeah I think I think the main ingredient that it takes for you to change your heart and your mind is humility right and most people don't have that it's hard to look at yourself and your former self and say I was completely wrong yeah and so I had girlfriends in college I got abortions and I think about the way that first and foremost for some of them it deeply affected them as well and then other ones of them made it seem like it was a joke because they learned Highschool that it was a clump of cells and they would make these sort of horrible jokes and even when I wasn't pro-life when someone make a joke about getting abortion I'd be like that you know that's a little too dark for me yeah right and I think that you you you do something like that and it's really hard to commit and to have the humility to say I did do this but I am now adamantly pro-life and here's why and I always want to provide a platform in a bridge way for women to say I did it it was wrong and I'm writing forward to the other side and and that is I think is the most important thing that we can do is to make people know that it is okay to change your mind on issues especially when that issue is a human heartbeat yeah the black community is is the most negatively impacted by abortion it is 800 block yeah these are aboard every single day I talk about this all the time I don't know where black lives matter is on that yeah but I actually do want you to talk a little bit about what happens the abortion process and a third trimester yeah well in the first trimester they they make it seem like it's really easy you just take a pill that actually poisons the child and you pass the child that's really between anywhere from four to eight weeks when the child still almost it is small enough to just kind of pass through it's very painful for the woman there's about cramping that happens for about 24 to 48 hours after that though the child is too big to actually just pass and so you have to take out the amniotic fluid and then you have to dismember the child to make sure that the child is fully taken out until you dilate the mother and then you take the child out of the uterus one piece by one piece and you lay it on the table and you say okay do we have the head the hands the torso the legs you make sure that you have everything in there stick a vacuum up the cervix and you take the rest of the stuff out just to make sure that every every bit of content every bit a fetal matter is out of the woman and then the third trimester of course is really complicated because you've got a fully formed child third trimester they have been able to survive outside the womb for at least seven weeks and that child has been moving around for a long time that child at I'm right now I am 28 weeks and if she were born right now she would have a 99% chance of living outside of the womb so really good chances so that's third trimester I just started my third trimester so what you have to do is you have to induce labor usually there are a couple different procedures but you induced labor you partially birth the child and then the doctor makes an incision in the back of the baby's skull and they take a vacuum tube type thing and they put it in the back of the baby's skull and then the brain matter is sucked out until the child's skull collapses and that is not just that's not hyperbole that's not an emotional argument you can actually look up DNX abortion it's dilation and extraction and you're gonna find that not just on a pro-life website but you're gonna find that on you know American Pregnancy Association calm I don't know if that's the real website but you're gonna be able to find it in these mainstream organizations that's exactly what a third trimester abortion is and there are a couple of other methods as well but when you're dealing with a fully-formed child there's nothing that's going to be less than barbarism there's nothing that's going to be less than mortality and we heard the governor Northam of Virginia actually say okay well sometimes somehow these kids actually survive an abortion particularly the one where the abortion doctor has to cause a heart attack in the unborn child in the third trimester and then deliver the child sometimes the child survives and so we heard governor Northam say if that happens you delivered the child you put the child off to the side on a table or whatever and then the mother and the doctor decide what to do so you're talking about a child who was outside the womb umbilical cord cut writhing fighting for his life probably instinctually looking for his mother wanting to be fed wanting to be held and you decide what to do now we don't know what happened I'm not really sure how you kill the child after that what means you go through to kill the child but that's infanticide I mean that's nothing less than that of course I believe all abortion is infanticide but for those who say no it's not infanticide until it's outside of the womb while certainly third trimester abortion is nothing less than that right right I mean it's it's it's it's one of those arguments that it's just it's weird to me to see the left is embracing this and that they're they're saying that this is freedom this is progress for women right and how could this possibly be progress for women and the argument that I hate the most is my body my choice right my body my choice like the moment that you that you get pregnant it no longer becomes just your body right you're sharing you're sharing your body with your child there are two people now that are involved in this equation so that argument and seeing these feminists and March the celebration in New York what did Andrew Cole did he light up the city of New York to celebrate the fact yeah pink to celebrate the fact that they could now do it nine months in the womb I mean you can't even you can't even really imagine that it goes back to the feminist argument at least the modern-day feminists at least the modern-day feminist argument of saying while women should be able to do all the things that a man can and so what they try to do is they try to erase any physical biological differences between men and women of course we see that in this whole gender fluidity movement that it what does it really mean to be a man and a woman well abortion really plays a part in that right because if a man can physically walk away from her pregnancy then a feminist would say well a woman should be able to physically walk away from her pregnancy too so rather than rejoicing in the privilege and to use a leftist word the true privilege of being able to carry a child no matter how hard the circumstances because I understand circumstances are really hard for women sometimes but instead of rejoicing in that privilege in that uniqueness that femininity that uniqueness of being a woman they want to take it away so they can say yeah there's really no difference between men and women and they think that's going to usher in this egalitarian utopia where men and women don't have any differences between them and equality will be achieved it's not gonna happen do you consider yourself a feminist no I don't interesting I don't very very there's a lot of people that want to and I know you said that you're not either there's a lot of people who want to reclaim feminism I don't really sleep burn let it burn I don't really see what we're fighting for anymore like I get it like the movement had a sorry because we actually did not have equality with men we have equality with men in most circumstances we have more than equality with men it's very like plus we got we have all of these privileges on top of it and when I think of feminism today I think of the Lena Dunham types like Lena Dunham out there she's obviously miserable right and she's not shaving her armpits and she's and she's and she's going out there and saying that this is freedom and actually what they identify what they what they determined to be freedom to me looks like misery right we don't need men we don't want men actually you do need men like actually we cannot be attacked physically like biology exists like this is not a good platform to have abolish men like we don't want ya anymore men and the movement has become so radicalized and the only way for people to actually pull it back is to just let it burn I'm a feminist I don't need to be a feminist there's nothing that they're fighting for that I agree with anymore yeah it seems over privilege it seems bratty you have time to put on a hat and go March and scream during the weekday you probably have you probably have achieved equality right and I just want to tell you no Donna I'm like you're not shaving your armpits is not doing anything for me so if I'm just gonna tell you woman a woman I feel totally fought for already like you can go ahead and shave your armpits seem that much for me but you're absolutely right what they're trying to do is denigrate what it actually means to be a woman because it actually says a lot about what they think about womanhood and what they think about femininity that it is inferior to men so we need to be more like men in order to be really equal well I believe that women are unique I believe that there are things that women can do that men can't do I mean beyond just carrying a child give me birth in all of that but there are things that women are better at than men there are ways that we can lead that are better than how men can lead and vice versa it's a very complementary in relationship that we should have between the genders of course acknowledging equal worth of both genders but they're not willing to do that they want to say well I can do all the same things that a man can I want to be drafted like a man and I never want that yeah they always stop right there well lcao see the other day she said I you know I believe that all genders should be drafted and so they think that they want all of that they don't want all of that until can you picture I mean my gosh AOC over there trying to defend our freedom she doesn't know she's gonna be handing out pamphlets at the Communist Manifesto what she's supposed to do right but we're like you're fighting for freedom she's like nope and what I really don't like about it is that the people that claim to be oppressed I see this in all different types movies not not just feminism I saw this in black lives matter the people that are pretending to be oppressed are doing the oppressing yeah right like they're showing up and they're saying I'm doing this in the name of fighting against oppression when in fact you are now doing the oppression so I don't speak on college campuses and we have fleets a banty for protesters shutting down free speech yeah they're the oppressors right we're not out here screaming at you telling you you can't be a liberal or that you can't speak I can't think and you can correct me if I'm wrong of a single person that has showed up and a conservative group that should up and say that we will refuse to let liberals speak on campus yeah this recently happens to conservatives right and and I find that with feminism as well is that they are actually actively now doing the oppressing yeah and and this is why I so early and this is such a good story to bring up you took a day off of in back in June you like took a social media weekend break and all hell broke loose on Twitter because I spoke out I was like one of the very first people that said no thank you to the me to movement I was like this is not going to end up anywhere pretty right this is just Amelia looked at it and I said this is going to be really yeah really bad you saw where it was gonna go and that was even before the whole Kavanagh thing that was the shift that most people saw okay this meets you movement which I don't know if we agree on this but I actually believe there were some benefits to the me to movement in that it gave women what I want to call some people have a hard time with this phrase for some reason but it gave women cover who previously maybe were scared to come forward and say yeah this happened to me I'm not trying to press charges but I just feel like I need to tell this story I feel like it gave women kind of the courage to come forward in and say that and I think that's good I think it may be only bad men not all men but bad men should be put on edge to be like oh I wasn't talking about that zipper net negative net negative because and this is where I was going with that with the Cavanagh thing we saw that it went from listen to her to believe her and that's where justice was totally obscured right so it's no longer just about listening to survivor stories and taking courage from their stories and saying okay yeah I'm gonna stand up to I'm gonna say something about what happened to me too I'm gonna put those guys on notice it became all men toxic masculinity especially if you're a white male in a position of power like Kavanagh then we're not gonna believe you at all so you just lost all logic all credibility and I think you're right that's probably where it was going from the very beginning it's unfortunate how many casualties we've seen through it I do think that there were some positive stories that came out of it in some good that came out of it I wish it could have come out a different way than this feminist tornado that we've seen yeah I'm not sure I followed any of the positive stories and maybe that's why cuz I was just so in the trenches but what what particularly bothered me was the conflation of terms right yeah it's like people don't know the difference now between rape right sexual assault and a bad date like a bad date like literally like it like a bad date where you should be like you know what that was kind of an awkward dinner a weird thing at the end I'm gonna leave and that was what was bothering me is that I actually felt bad and this is totally bizarre and I can't think of the university that the young student went to but there was there was a young woman who went out got completely plastered and drunk and this is the removal of personal responsibility also bothers me go get into that in a second and then the next morning she woke up in the dorm of some young man and she said like she remember what happened and so she went to police immediately and said that she was sexually assaulted or raped and it turns out they were able to look at all the tapes and everything happened and she was the aggressive one she took him back and he was had over they'd already to Smiths him from school right and I don't know where it ended up now he could be back in school but personally bothered me about as I also felt bad for her yeah they're now actively teaching women yeah everything is rape right yeah if you don't if you have a bad memory like when I was in college and people did that stuff it was like I got way too drunk last night and they would reflect and they would say did something bad I don't want to get out of my drink that point anymore and they correct their behavior only now for women it's we can't do anything wrong no matter what it's the fault of men and I can't stand the removal of personal responsibility and you can't talk about personal responsibility without someone calling you a victim chambers or lamer like you must you must hate women and you must blame all victims and I say no because you know what I've been there I had a stage in college where I was crazy and I was drinking too much I had one semester of college I was like the goody two-shoes and then one semester of college I was like I'm just gonna live it up and it was it was bad I totally I regret so much that summer heard that a semester of college that I literally spent wasted night and I made a lot of mistakes and my friends made a lot of mistakes in the same time but never did it occur to me that this wasn't my fault I was making those decisions I made a conscious decision to say you know what I'm gonna drink this much tonight or I'm gonna do this or I'm gonna go to this bar that's not to say that the other parties involved ever with anyone are not also to blame but to not take any responsibility to not have any wisdom whatsoever I think back to some of the things just nothing too crazy but just some of the places that me my friends went when we were like downtown and things like that you're like oh my gosh thank God for protecting me during that stupid rebellious time of my life because I could have ended up a million different places because I don't remember in college that's right entire blackout weeks and I have no idea and and it is terrible but terrible is good shame is good right by the way and I mean totally lame is what's wrong you should wake up and you should feel guilty and you should be shameful having those human emotions and owning them and saying I can of someone's it's something that makes me feel ashamed right and not running away from them it allows you to correct your behavior yeah the left wants to remove shame yeah I want you to wake up in the morning and say oh that little feeling let me take it out let me take it out and who can I now blame yeah who is around me that I can blame and that's such a terrible system that's also not gonna fix the issue yeah but if you want to fix the issue teach women how to be personally responsible allow them to make mistakes those are going to make mistakes we all make mistakes yeah and allow them to correct their behavior yeah I think that you're right and you hit the nail on the head for something else that's happening that's even bigger than the me2 movement and that is this whole obsession with self-love that we the only important thing that we are supposed to do in our lives we're told not just in secular circles this isn't Christian circles to say all you got to do is love yourself and if you feel shame if you feel guilt about anything then you just got to toss that out and remember that you're enough and I'm like no shame and guilt not to a negative not to like a self deprecating degree to where you actually loathe yourself but shame and guilt over bad actions is good being sorry for what you did and scared of certain consequences and dealing with those consequences is good that's a part of maturity that's a part of like you said personal responsibility but we see this everywhere we think that the reason why people are depressed they're anxious they're insecure they're paranoid which our generation really is is because they feel too much shame and I'm like no it's because we don't feel enough shame for the bad things we do and so we just fill ourselves up with things that we think will make us happy we're told that the only important thing in life is to be happy well my version of happiness when I was in college was binge drinking so were you telling me that that's a good thing that I should pursue they would probably say yes and you shouldn't feel bad about it I think that guilt needs to come back into play shame needs to come back into play and responsibility does to not to a negative and unhealthy degree but in a way that actually encouraged you to encourage is you to take ownership of your actions if you if you take feminism to the umpteenth degree which I like to do and I say okay let's just lock ourselves into what the left has said which is that you don't have to be personal responsibility personally responsible you don't have to feel any shame it's never your fault you don't need a man right you can do everything by yourself you want to have kids you don't need a man you don't need a family let's destroy the nuclear family right now the one thing they really want to see burn is the nuclear family yeah let's go finally see what that actually followed that yeah do you think Chelsea Handler is happy does she sound happy she just wrote a book and and she talks about how she's taking had to take pills and and go on psychiatric medicine and cope with the election of Donald Trump and then we've got you know Sarah Silverman who speaks about how she suffers through depression and then we have Kathy Griffin do these people look to you like the models Lena Dunham do these look like the models of where you want to be in your life and that's the question I ask myself and yet they shame people like you right you're Christian you you're you know you're hot on a hot on the like left loves they hate God publicly right they're always saying terrible things about God culturally they mocked God they mock religion they've got the idea of a woman marrying a man and and creating the nuclear family yeah who would you rather be that I mean that's really the objective question that I ask myself right if you want to find fulfillment are you gonna look to these people who are famously unfulfilled are usually I fulfilled I love it are you gonna look to the people and model your life after the people who seem to I mean no one fully has it together but seem to have found some measure of satisfaction in their hard work and in the family that they've created and the things that are really outside of themselves because what those people tell us is that you can find all of your happiness inside of yourself just pursue the things that you want to do well the happiest times that I've been in my life the most fulfilled the set the most satisfied the most joyful times I've had in my life have been when I'm pouring myself out for other people like getting married I mean that's such a what we would say in the Christian community a sanctifying process of reading yourself of yourself you are necessarily thinking about someone else which you are going to experience in a very real way really soon yeah um you are ridding yourself of yourself it's not only about your schedule it's not just what you want to eat it's not just what you want to do what time you want to go to bed you have someone else to think about right and then motherhood which is what I'm about to experience brings that to a whole new level it's no longer how much joy is found in pouring yourself out for other people and that's the one of the beautiful things about Christianity is that Jesus doesn't call us to more self-love and self-obsession in South pursued and self exaltation he actually calls us to self-denial to self crucifixion to take up our cross and to follow him knowing that we might not achieve all of the happiness that the world tells us that we should achieve in this life but ultimate fulfillment comes in eternity that's what we find from life in Christ and the Christian life is not marked by one of self obsession but a self-denial which is something that the rest of the world really doesn't understand it doesn't glorify at all and I think that this is almost why what you're hitting at is is why the left glorifies Hollywood so much because that is the ultimate version of self-love yeah they love them more than they could ever like anything else and they really believe everything they say should just carry such weight and hey I'm telling you who to vote for right I'm Beyonce right I'm Beyonce go vote for Hillary Clinton and yeah they can't process that there's anything outside of themselves all they have to do is to sign their name to something yeah and the left wants Hollywood to be worshipped because they also want to grow government and if you want to grow government you have to reduce the family size right they want the government but I always say this when I when I go speak publicly in my opinion they want the government to replace God yeah right totally want real government to place mom and dad and they want you to turn to the government for every single solution to all of your problems we have a solution for that it's no longer prayer like I grew up in and my grandfather's deeply religious and we had to pray at every single meal and he to me was such an example he married my grandmother when he was 17 years old and they say together until her dying day so he was just conservative at all and he was happy yeah you know he lives he lived the happiest life and he's still alive and my grandmother passed so they're no longer together and I see the left actively trying to destroy that because they want to replace they love atheism because that's the only way they can accomplish their goals and their goals are communism socialism and you can't do that if people believe in anything other than them selves well it's the opposite of what the founders said that okay this society that we're building this Republic this Democratic Republic that we're building cannot function on in a moral irreligious society we need the Wills and the whims of men and women to be bridled by religion and morality for a free society to work they knew that and so the opposite of that must be true as well you can't have socialism and communism the state cannot take over unless you have people that don't have any kind of central system or central principles or anything that they are that they are beholden to beyond the government you can't have socialism without people who are godless and without people who don't have any kind of sense of central morality that's exactly why you see someone like aoc saying you know we're gonna provide Economic Security for people who are unwilling to work not just an evil but unwilling so that is showing that she wants that person to be fully dedicated or a fully committed to fully dependent on the government they don't have a responsibility to God to work hard they don't have a responsibility to family to work hard they don't have any sense of shame they don't have any sense of honor they don't have any sense of obligation whatsoever all they have is the government I think it was the D and C a couple years ago that was their motto was the government is the only thing that everyone belongs to and I'm like and that's a huge problem that's a huge problem so you're you're absolutely right once you take away God immorality and really the Bible away from people's people's principles or people's set of morals that they had then you really don't have anything what else are they gonna look for right how long have you been doing your podcast um a little over a year okay what's what's been the hardest part for you cuz I think I just think it's very interesting to have like a Christian woman speaking out so yeah so publicly and so unabashedly what has been the hardest part of just being a public figure for you uh I think it has been figuring out that I truly can talk about all the things that I'm passionate about and all the things that I really do believe without worried about polarizing one set of my audience so you you've probably found this too if you wanted to if your only concern was to gain followers then you know what you could say that people want to click on like you know which you could say that could go viral you know what you could say that's gonna get you a lot of clicks but talking about the things that I'm really passionate about I might have pushed some people away who say you know what I like your politics but I hate your religion or I like your religion but I hate your politics but to me they're so interconnected it is an effective politics and culture a down stream from faith and values and I'm like how do I not talk about both of these things because these are the real things that are going on in my head every day when I'm watching Donald Trump or when I'm watching the news or when I'm seeing these culture wars I'm always going back to the Bible and saying okay well what does God's Word say about this so why would I I salute one part of what I believe her and passionate about or I'm truly thinking about throughout the day because I'm afraid that it might offend some people and I'm sure it does I'm sure it does I mean you you know you're it's the same way and people who who whoever would ever say to me or to someone like you the only reason you're doing this is to get followers if if I just wanted to get followers trust me the last thing I would talk about yeah the last thing I would talk about is Christianity and the Bible and conservatism right because those are really unpopular I'm like if I wanted to just be getting followers I would because I'd be a o say yeah you know how easy that would be for me to be the aoc so I have to know nothing yeah so easy for me to get into politics as a impassioned black woman hate Donald Trump but that's the easiest ticket in life I'm like are you kidding me I think they would be celebrating me everywhere I'd be Awards I would have by now I'd have a Nobel Peace Prize yeah yeah no I think they all I got to do is say they're white supremacist is on the rise you know and and everything that's happening in America is hurting me as a black I wanted to be the ultimate victim which is exactly what AOC is right you would have friend for I would have run for office yeah this is hard especially in the black community where there's just this it's just been a block for so long it's just been a complete monolith and nobody wants to think differently I am attacked every single day I mean it never stops and it's difficult because I just think the black community is just we're so deeply conservative and we just had no idea no one turned on the lights hearing you talk about you run a podcast you talk about the Bible you talk about faith you talk about religion you should have the biggest blackest audience in America yeah I'm seriously it'd be like if they should be listening to you because that's that is what we believe as a community yeah and yet somehow it's been hijacked but unfortunately you have even even leaders in the black community who are Christian in the evangelical community they are also adopting a lot of the progressive doctrine which doesn't make a lot of sense a lot of the social justice doctrine to say hey whiteness is bad whiteness is the enemy there was actually this this woman who spoke at a very mainstream evangelical conference and in Dallas who has a large following and has been known to speak out about you know white supremacy and Donald Trump and of course complaining the two things she gave an entire speech on why whiteness is wicked and how women need to divest from their whiteness and this is a Christian conference speaking to Christian women and she is not white this is wicked yes she's not some out-there figure she's got a lot of followers and this conference who is known for being a theologically conservative conference invited this woman and gave her a platform and so unfortunately you're hearing messages like that that is also infecting I don't know specifically about racist imagine if you if you had a conference and you got up on stage and you said blackness is wicked yes I love to do that I just like to like play the game where I just mix everything around a least art gets up on stage and she says blackness is wicked you need to divest from being black well actually on my podcast that came out as we're recording this that's how I started the podcast I read her quotes from her speech using blackness instead of whiteness and that would be racist and it is really be done it would be wrong for me to say that or for any white person to say that because in the in Christianity in in biblical terms blackness is not the problem whiteness is not the problem because every single race every single ethnicity throughout the world for all of history has been responsible for slavery for the oppression of minorities we've all been guilty of terrible things but blackness is not the problem whiteness is now the problem sin is the problem right then infects the human heart and the only antidote for that is Jesus and so for anyone who proclaims the gospel who says that they are thieves Allah theologically sound to give any other solution to sin besides Jesus and His redemptive death on the cross to say well yeah but also you need to not be so white right that I'm sorry that's not it it also is just racist right and that's the thing I talk about where I'm just like people don't realize that we've gotten to a point in society where it's okay and you're allowed to be racist towards white people that's even the stuff that a increase tweet sometimes I'm just like could you imagine if she was talking about the way she speaks about white Republican men imagine if you were just tweeting like black Democrat men once again like this won't let me be me you would you you couldn't you would be scared your career would be over and you would never ever come back from being labeled as a racist in our society and that's kind of what I try to get people to understand is that we're kind of getting into this dangerous spot in society where we're seeing the rebirth of racism but people thinking that because we survived it we can now give it out right yeah we can just be openly racist and wisdom is not okay yeah I mean you've got people saying for example so you might have white people saying you know I'm worried for myself I'm worried for my daughter's I'm worried for my future generations because of anti-white racism and then you have people from the minority side saying well yeah now you know how we feel and I'm like well I totally understand and that I'm so sorry that you had to deal with that that's not right there were traces that maybe tear erase your family at one point and I'm so sorry for that but the remedy to that is not retribution right remedy for that is forgiveness and redemption what it always is and not even seeing forgiveness because for example they want you know the government to pay reparations well I don't need to be forgiven for slavery I mean that happened 200 frie years ago I'm not responsible for that that's its own but that's what social justice is it's all these crazy calculations of how the oppressed is gonna be taken care of and it just never works out in the end where where is it heading where is it having on the left I want you to make a prediction for like the next two years like where where's this all going this the radicalization the the Alexandria Cascio Cortez is yeah who's the other young woman in Congress yeah but you know where is this heading I think that they're pushing intersectionality so far that it can go one of two places they're taking us to the extreme on abortion on socialism on chill reparations on abolishing private prisons on taking us to open borders that either we're going to settle for a moderate leftist position and say okay so they're taking us to the extremes but okay we're not gonna go for Medicare for all but we'll go for health care for all okay we're not for open borders but we're for abolishing ice that will kind of compromise that there will be some kind of compromise unfortunately by enough people on the right to be like okay you wanted to take us to these extremes we'll settle for the moderate Democratic position or there's gonna be a swing all the way over to this side saying hang on for a second can we just talk about the consequences of intersectionality like can we talk about the consequences of the injustice --is of social justice let's look at the consequences of open borders let's look at the look at the consequences of gun control and we could swing back in the other direction but it's just hard and I'm not hopeless but it's hard to see that happening without like we said there being a beckoning back to morality and a beckoning back to principles a beckoning back to the traditional family it's just really difficult to see how people are just going to stop depending on the government if they don't depend on anyone in their community right I mean I don't know I'm much more optimistic I'll go tell me yeah I just I just look at the trends and I think that and my fiancée how it always says this he's just like what we're seeing on the left is like the last squeals of a dying animal because they're just so radical now that's like what is that happening and and when I see people like you who you know your profile has has exploded over the last couple of years and I came out of nowhere now we're seeing this black movement that's happening which they never saw coming we're seeing the susp Anik movement happening yeah I'm seeing Exodus right peep now that people are Jewish people are talking about it and I just observe it on the ground like you know and I think that that means that movement there's a reaction there's a reaction and I think morality is at its core where it's just that I actually can no longer Drive with this and to me it's not even just a reaction it's an awakening yeah right like I genuinely look at the way that I was and I think that I was just asleep like I just had I I didn't hear yeah I didn't care about things I'd never voted so young people say to me oh now your concern I wasn't I was nothing I just I'm in a bubble I didn't really care about it I was happy to let somebody author my entire future but what you have that Awakening and you realize how you've been used how you've been abused and just how crazy the left has become yeah you want to become you want to become a part of it and I think that America is somehow at the last stand yeah no totally brexit we've got we've got we've got a bowl Janeiro in Brazil we've got brexit happening over in the UK and we have Trump yeah there's something happening yeah I agree with you I do think that the left probably thought that they were gonna take this home you know with Hillary Clinton there's no way that Donald Trump is gonna win we're just gonna go this direction I mean Obama completely moved our country to the left so radically more radically than we had seen in a really long time you could argue maybe that was even a reaction from from george w bush who knows but he moved our country so far to the left we disagree more than ever on things like race on things like homosexuality things like marriage things like welfare immigration and that really happened from about 2009 2017 where we mostly agreed on things before we disagree more than ever and they call him the great reconciler and the person who brought people together no he completely split us apart with identity politics and so we are seeing a reaction I think that's a very hopeful perspective and I hope that it's right people are saying okay hang on for a second all these things that made America great for so long we're just gonna throw them out the window right turn up more like Venezuela I don't know yeah it's really bizarre and it's I'm obviously we're gonna find out right we're gonna miss it but I'd like to think that you and I are doing our part and opening the conversation and just getting women to think just a little bit harder about where we're at and where everything is going it's thinking a little bit harder yeah I just think a little bit harder so we wrap up every episode with a two-minute game oh okay well we'll just say you have exactly two minutes and you get to launch a vibration into the world and let's say that everything that it's going to be heard by everyone all over the world that just has to become a thing what is your advice wait what you usually you're just gonna speak for two minutes into that camera and you were going to say just what you would say in the world hi I am Ali and this is what I believe what is your advice okay hi I'm Ali oh wait do I start on your mark get set go hi I'm Ali and Candice told me to tell you what I believe so I think the most important thing that you can believe in your life it's not that your purpose in this world is to pursue your own happiness or to pursue the things that you want but to know your creator and the son that he sent for you to die on the cross for your sins to be reconciled to a perfect and holy God we're in an imperfect an unholy people and we needed someone to bridge the gap and Jesus did that for us I don't think that there is any greater satisfaction than knowing the one that died for you and it's not just a salvation and the life after this it's also sanctification and purpose on this life that is the gospel that is the best news that history has ever given us it's gonna be better than any book that you'll ever read is the story of Jesus Christ and what he did for sinners and that's really the most important thing that I could tell you beyond any conservative policy beyond anything I could say about AOC or feminism that's the gospel that's the good news and that's the only message you really need to hear that was perfect oh my god did she get oh my god that was amazing that was amazing thank you so much that's a wrap fee that was awesome yeah thank you everybody thank you so much for being flexible it was so crazy thank you guys for watching the latest episode of the Candice Owens show I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation as much as I did as many of you guys already know 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