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>> So my basic question is, how do I get my
brother to stop taking advantage of my
parents?
Um, so context and background is that he
is 35 years old. And essentially what
his current kind of like plan or like
lifestyle is, he just like saves up a
bunch of money um while he's living at
home with them for free and then he'll
like go on a trip internationally. And
then once he runs out of money, he comes
back and he doesn't have anywhere to go.
So he just moves back in with my parents
again. But meanwhile, he takes advantage
of them and like uses their materials
for his business. He uses their stuff
and he's also disrespectful all at the
same time. I've talked to my parents
about this. I mostly talk to my parents
about this. So, I mostly get their side
of the story, but basically I
>> Why have they not stopped this then?
>> That's what I've been trying to get them
to
>> I'm asking you I'm asking you why.
What's wrong with your parents?
They will not. They love their son too
much. They won't
>> No, that's not love. That's not love.
>> Yeah, that's true.
>> This is giving a drunk a drink. That's
enabling. It's not love.
>> 100%. I'm And so that's what I'm wanting
help with is I've talked to them about
it and I've been very straightforward
and blunt with them and I've told them,
you know, like if you are not willing to
set those boundaries, then it could cost
you the relationship. And so I guess
they're not listening to me. I'm
wondering if I can talk to my brother
specifically and he can coach me on how
to help him.
>> No.
>> Okay.
>> Your brother's a parasite. They don't
listen.
>> 100%.
>> Yeah.
>> So, it's
>> Well, he doesn't have any problems.
>> I know.
>> Your parents are the one that has a
problem. Your brother has no problems.
He He Life is good for your brother.
>> I know.
>> Yeah. Why would he? But your parents job
is to help him have some problems.
Yes, I agree.
So, I kind of sit in this middle world
and I'm wondering and I I it's
technically out of my control. I'm
wondering if I'm wondering if there's
anything that I can do to kind of help
this problem.
>> Well, let me flip this on you. If I if I
met you and I started telling you about
something that was really really
bothering me, you could tell I was
pretty worked up about it. And then I
said to you, "But Natalie, I I have no
control over it. I can't control
anything about this." What would you say
to me?
>> Um, I mean, I guess technically you're
right. So,
>> what would you tell me? You could see
I'm all stood up about it, but I have no
control over it. What would you say to
me as a good friend or a new
acquaintance? What would you say?
>> I guess I'm not sure.
>> Sure you would.
>> It's kind of frozen. Let it go. Let it
go. That's it. you would just say, "Hey,
you gotta move on."
>> And you said, "You're sitting in the
middle of this." You're not sitting in
the middle of that.
>> You're not sitting on the side. You're a
spectator.
>> You've actually put yourself emotionally
in the middle.
>> You have VIP seats.
>> Yeah.
>> To watch this crap happen.
>> Yeah.
>> But you're a spectator.
>> Yep.
>> Yeah. So, that's what that's what I'm
hating is I hate watching my parents.
>> It is really painful to watch people you
love do stupid things.
>> Yeah.
>> Let me tell you what I would do on this
situation. And this is like me walking
in the living room and my wife and
daughter are watching The Bachelor. I
just keep on walking.
>> I don't stop, you know? I already know
what
>> gets sucked in.
>> Well, I just know how awful that show is
and how it makes me feel. And I feel
dumber every second that I watch it.
>> My brain cells just die progressively.
But if I sit there and I watch it and I
keep griping to Stacy and Josie about
it, it's not helping me or them cuz
they're not going to stop watching.
>> They don't they don't stop.
>> So, um, yeah, the only thing I could
think of is this. Anytime I'm trying to
influence someone, the only thing I can
do there there's three possible angles.
Your brother's not is zero chance. Okay?
I would not bother with him at all. What
he needs is a good butt kicking and
you're not in a position to do that.
Okay. So, he needs he needs his butt
kicked into the street and into a job
and into grown-up land. And uh that's
what you know, he's like
>> he's um you know, Peter Pan. He just
never grew up, right? So, um failure to
launch. So, now how do you deal with mom
and dad? Number one, I would just tell
mom and dad a story about one time that
I was doing something and say, you know,
I did this, I did this, I did this. And
you know, when I got out on my own, I
felt so much better than when you guys
were supporting me.
>> I felt better about myself. And so, I
don't think I don't think my brother
feels good about himself cuz I think
y'all are harming him.
>> Uh, and so you you could say something
like, "I don't think it's going to do
any good though cuz I think your parents
are spineless."
>> Yeah. Enablers are the nicest spineless
people you will ever meet.
>> When I have been an enabler, it's cuz I
was too freaking chicken to deal with
the deal. Instead, I just throw money at
it and that's enabling. And I've done
that myself and it's just I'm always
ashamed of myself when I do it because
you don't help the people involved. You
actually hurt them. And that's what your
parents are bringing great harm to your
brother because they've malformed his
character in the process and it's their
fault.
All he did was just take the path of
least resistance. That's all he did.
>> So the second thing I would do is ask
yourself who would they listen to?
>> True.
brother that they trust, uncle that they
trust, pastor that they trust,
>> his old army
>> sergeant that he trusts. I don't know
who who who would that and and talk to
that person and say, would you go talk
to them cuz I can't get through to them.
>> Mhm.
>> And then the third thing I'm going to do
is I'm just going to pray, God, mess
them up. Mess this up, Lord. Cause a
chaos over there.
Let the basement where brother lives
flood, Lord.
Yes.
>> Break his car, Lord. You know.
>> Yeah. Lord, Lord, bring some problems to
this situation, please, God.
>> And just pray pray hell down on them.
And it's just I'm serious cuz that's
that's what's going to something is
going to bust here. And I around Ramsey,
even when we're working on projects, we
always say, "Break it before it's
broken." And I'm just going to ask God,
"Break this before it gets broken cuz
it's going to get broken. It's going to
go sideways. It's going to be ugly when
it does. And it'd be better off sooner
than later.
>> Yeah. I My guess is your parents are
afraid of him. You mentioned that he's
disrespect. Yeah. I just
>> physically.
>> He hasn't been physical with them, but
he has broken stuff in the household
before.
>> I'll call the police on him.
>> Yeah. They're But they're more afraid
not of harm. I think they're afraid that
he's going to abandon them. I When When
you see parents that are enabling, I've
seen this so many times. there is a fear
that the child is going to abandon them
and reject them. And so you're saying
yes. So you've seen this. So I'm only
pointing this out because u to Dave's
point, it's going to take a really
special person with real real authentic
leverage in their life to get them to
see that this is what's going on,
>> that they're act, you know,
>> they're terrified of her words. The best
I've ever done with an enabler is to
convince the enabler that they're
actually doing harm because they think
they're doing good.
>> That's right. Well, they think they're
avoiding something bad when what they're
doing is creating.
>> I can't put them out. He'll be homeless.
Right.
>> Praise God.
>> Right. Yeah. It's It reminds me of the
prodal.
>> Don't let them eat.
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah. It's like the Bible and stuff.
>> Yeah. Let them go and then when they
come back, have a nice robe and create a
feast. But at some point, the fear of
what their life is going to turn out uh
or turn into is got to be bigger than
the fear of them being mad at you. And
that's a really, by the way, I don't say
that flippantly. No,
>> that's a tough choice.
>> You get to ask that if you're raising
teenagers, you have to ask that question
every morning. That's right.
>> You know, I have to explain to them,
listen, my job here is not to be not to
make you happy. My job here is not to be
your friend. My job here is not to be
the cool dad because I didn't sign up
for that one either. My job is to raise
you into a good adult
>> so you can leave. That's my job. And
then when you leave, you can come back
when you bring grandbabies. This is how
the work world works. Okay? And so um
but you cannot live in my basement and
make grandbabies. It doesn't work that
way. So you need to leave otherwise we
don't get grandbabies. This is so and I
have to train you in how to do that. So
you have to brush your teeth so you have
some. You have to take your test and get
grades so that you can get a job and
make money so you can bring back
grandbabies. This Yeah, this is the
there's a goal here. It's a circle of
life,
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