In an interview with NTD at the 2025 NYC Real Estate Expo, Bernadette Brennan, Executive Director at SERHANT. Commerical, discussed the New York City real estate market. She highlighted that despite interest rates impacting affordability and mayoral elections causing uncertainty, the market remains active.
International buyers, especially cash buyers, continue to invest, particularly in properties valued at $4 million and above. Brennan noted a resurgence in office leasing and the potential for converting commercial spaces to residential, which could alleviate the housing crisis. She remains optimistic about the market's future. -- 🧶More NTD Programs: https://www.ntd.com/programs?utm_source=YouTube&utm_medium=SocialM
I sell real estate. I lead the listing
department. We have almost $2 billion
worth of assets that we've signed in the
last few years. We traded almost $200
million last year. We focus mostly on
Manhattan proper, some in Brooklyn, some
in Queens. We do a lot of vacant
buildings, family office, multifamily,
retail condos, and um yeah, we're very
active also with leasing.
>> How's the market?
>> The market is the market. Mhm.
>> It's good. It's tough. It's great. It's
hard. It's all of the above. I think it
really depends what day you find me on.
>> Really,
>> some days we do so much outreach and we
don't get much back.
>> Other days, like yesterday, we receive
multiple offers.
>> Wow.
>> I'm finding um there are deal if there
are deals to be had, there's interest
there. So, the market isn't dead or um
on fire. It's just very conservative and
looking for opportunity.
>> Why are people feeling so conservative?
>> I think it has a few things. One, the
interest rates are are really holding a
lot of people back. So, we're hopeful
there that there's going to be an
adjustment. I think they're meeting
today and those conversations we're
hoping are going to be fruitful. Um,
that has something to do with it. Of
course, the mayoral election has many
wondering what's going to happen. Um,
everyone's, you know, are you leaving
for Florida or are you still going to
stay in New York? And the reality is is
people that are here, like myself with
children and a business aren't going to
get up because of a mayor. You know,
I've lived through many mayors, some
better than others, and we still wake
up, we still do deals, we still trade,
we still transact, and New York City
will always be New York City. It'll
always be the financial world
headquarters. So, we'll always have that
in our pocket. And I don't think um
local politics really play that much
into the more global real estate scale
here.
>> So do you think the fears of people
leaving the city are a little overblown?
>> I would think so. Yeah. You know, they
say that all the time and I think
depending on whatever party it is, if
you know, if you're a Democrat, if Trump
wins, you're moving to Canada, you're
leaving. You know, my aunt always said
that. I'm like, you're still here. You
know, and now same on the others, too.
You know, it's like, oh, we're going to
be leaving. And maybe some people might
if you're retired and you can do that.
Uh but most people are going to stay
here and stay in their asset and have it
appreciate and uh acclimate to whatever
the times bring.
>> How about in the interest rates? Do you
feel people it's an affordability issue
or they're waiting for the rates to come
down so they get a better price?
>> It's definitely um ALS it's both. So it
is an affordability issue because you
need to be able to pay your mortgage.
So, I see a lot of the guys trying to
get in and then realizing, wow, this is
actually a lot more than I had signed up
for, not realizing that there's maybe a
water pipe that broke or a roof leak or
a non-paying tenant. There's a lot of
variables that go into ownership that
people don't factor in. So, there's
that. And then I also think that um the
rate also affects it. You know, for
every quarter of a point, depending on
your price point, that's going to bring
something down. So even though it only
seems like a quarter of a point, it
signals the sign of hope.
>> Yes. Uh President Trump is in Asia at
the moment. He's looking to strike a
trade deal with China. If you think back
to 10 years ago, Chinese buyers made up
a big part of the investment base here
in New York City. Is it still the case
today?
>> I think there's still always a lot of
international money coming in. I think
that's also another thing people are
saying is that they're seeing
international money not coming in. I
would I would disagree. We've had many
contracts from international buyers at
Siran, more so than I've really ever
seen this fall, and particularly ones
that don't rely on the interest rate
that are cash buyers. So, um 4 million
and up, I'm still seeing a lot of
international money coming into the
states.
>> Uh are you able to to to put your finger
on why we've seen that increase?
Uh, I think postco everybody was really
scared and now they're realizing that
New York is still a very stable and
sound investment. For condos here, you
just pick them up and you could rent it
and your money is safe and held and
appreciates. So, there's a safety net
there that people like um in a
government that they feel comfortable
with.
>> There's only one New York. Finally, um,
are you optimistic for the New York City
real estate market and for New York City
itself over the next 10 to 20 years?
>> Oh, absolutely. I would have to retire
if I wasn't. Uh, we traded $164 million
last year in uh in transactions. Most
would say it was a dead commercial
market. Commercial office is dead. I've
listed $und00 million worth of property
in this primary season that people are
saying no one's doing anything. Um,
we're very hopeful. Also, right now
there's a big back to work. The office
is coming back. Class A is very strong
right now. Uh, there's also not that
much inventory there. So, we're seeing a
lot more opportunity there as well.
>> A bonus question. Um, we've heard a lot
about uh transforming commercial uh say
office space for example into
residential apartments. Are we seeing
that actually materialize?
>> We're working through it. So I have a
few properties right now that are
commercial office that have been hard to
trade that we have been at the forefront
of cuz they are in the pen south
resoning actually walking that process
through which actually for me is very
exciting cuz I'm interested as an
investor to see what that looks like.
There's little you know uh nuances that
need to get approved and worked through.
So, we're actually seeing some buildings
converting prior to the laws and kind of
getting ahead of it because in the end,
the board makes the approval decision,
right? Uh so, we're seeing a lot of
that. And are they playing out? Yes,
they are. But the problem is a lot of
times the price point.
>> So, what the seller wants and then the
cost of conversion has to factor in. I'm
seeing that at one of my listings right
now at 10 Harrison. There's a lot of
interest because it's a vacant office
that has the zoning to allow
residential. So, everyone right now is
trying to figure out how to do that
there. And um the person who does is
going to get a phenomenal value and
incredible building
>> because I hear it's uh easier said than
done.
>> Yeah, it's easier said than done. And
it's also um people think it's much
harder than it is. You know, uh
>> you have something that's white box.
Yes, you're going to need light. Yes,
you're going to need air. Yes, you're
going to need the HVAC, but it's really
not um it's not as complicated because
you could just be taking office like
offices and turning them into bedrooms.
One of our places already has a shower,
it already has plumbing, it already has
a kitchen, it already has nine
conference rooms. Like, it's not that
deep. But then our laws and our
regulations make us jump through those
hoops. So, is it as hard as people
think? No. But, uh the policies also
have to loosen up a little bit there.
Uh, also for our housing crisis, you
know, where we have, I think, 150,000
homeless people and then the office
buildings aren't, you know, okay enough
for them to live in, but right now
they're on the streets. So, in my
opinion, and a lot of us that are in the
industry, you can make some really
incredible properties there and really
solve a lot of the housing issues. So,
we're hopeful that legislation is going
to catch up there as well.
>> It's an interesting phenomenon. Uh,
Bernardet, thank you so much.
>> Thank you for having me.