I Spoke At Turning Point USA

Russell Brand
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Jan 12, 2026
I want to live in communities where people share my values and are there for a choice,
freely.
Culture has a power to shape and form influence and mould behaviour.
We're born, we die.
Some people don't believe in God, I do believe in God.
For me, the point of my religion is to one, make me a cope in this world, knowing I'm
going to die and that everyone I love is going to die and that there is injustice and there
is unfairness.
And two, I want to be good.
If you've become disobedient to the state, you have to know that you're being obedient
to something and it must be God.
Fear not, for I have redeemed you, I have called you by your name, you are mine.
All forms of worship are the inappropriate substitute for the adulation that we owe to
He that saved us.
Love your family, love your son, love your nation, but above all things, love Jesus Christ.
Please welcome, Russell Wyatt.
We are at Amberfest.
Merry Christmas to you.
Praise the Lord.
I, I've got to tell you, I did not anticipate being between Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson
at a moment where that don't seem like a good position to be.
Oh man, I'm so lucky that I've got Jesus.
I'm so blessed that I've got Jesus.
I'm so glad that I'm not responsible for this myself.
I'm here to love you.
I'm here to, as best as I can in my crazy little accent, tell you that my life has been
irrevocably changed, revolutionarily changed, inconceivably altered by the power of Christ
Jesus.
I want to share that with you.
Do you know why I'm here?
I better pray first, in case I mess up.
You know me, I'm done.
Heavenly Father, would you guide my mouth, would you guard my lips?
Oh Lord, I bend my knee and my tongue will serve you, Heavenly Father, and no other.
Thank you, Lord, for your Son, Jesus Christ, who died that we may know eternal life, but
may we know eternity here in this moment, Lord.
There is no statute of limitations on love thy neighbor.
The whole world is our neighbor.
We were intended to be one family, Heavenly Father.
You gave your life, you gave your blood, and may the covenant of your blood cover us all.
I pray, Father, for the eternal soul of Charlie Kirk.
I thank you for his sacrifice, and I thank you, Lord, that we have this opportunity to
be here in unity, the opportunity for true unity, the opportunity for community, the
opportunity to be different, Lord.
I thank you, Heavenly Father, for Erica Kirk's boldness and her bravery, and for her example
of forgiveness.
And surely, if she can forgive the people of the man responsible, Lord, for the murder
of her husband, surely this principle of forgiveness is something that we can all extend.
Lord, may we know your grace, may we live in your grace, and particularly when it's
expensive to us, when it costs us something.
May we enter into your kingdom, a kingdom of love.
May we put aside petty squabbles and disputes, Lord, and may we move into a new era of grace
in your glory.
I pray for the kingdoms to merge, I pray for your return, I pray that we participate in
making straight the paths.
In the holy name of Jesus Christ, I pray, amen.
Hey, I want to talk to you about change, and I want to talk to you about authority.
I've had an unusual life.
I used to be a Hollywood, I don't want to say Hollywood movie star, but I starred in
some movies, you know?
If I'd have been between Tucker Carlson and Ben Shapiro, like 10 years ago, man, I can't
imagine what those circumstances would have been.
Maybe a Diddy party!
Oh, Lord, we are all compromised, we are all broken.
I'm here to share with you from my position of brokenness.
I'm here to share with you that I am inspired by Charlie Kirk's legacy and his example.
I'm here because Charlie Kirk asked me to come here.
Charlie Kirk's not with us anymore, so unless Erica Kirk asks me to do some stuff with Turning
Point in the future, I'll never be at Turning Point again.
Because for me, Turning Point, if it means anything, it means turning away, and it means
turning in the right direction.
Repentance.
Repent.
Turn away from the illusion of worldliness, from its fixations and fascinations, its hypnosis.
I know about carnality, I've got to tell you.
I lived a dumb, hedonic, Hollywood life.
To go from a Hollywood-headedness to a Bible-believing Christian is a big journey.
But we've got a lot of big journeys ahead of us, a lot of radical change.
I didn't think it was possible to be changed in the way that I've been changed.
I thought it was inconceivable, unimaginable.
Before turning to Christ, I suppose, the biggest change that I'd ever known was the change
from, well, I suppose, before being a parent to becoming a parent, and that's a pretty
radical change.
Certainly, it's a radical change in terms of the person you say you'll be as a parent
before you have kids, and then the person you are when your kids show up.
Because before I had kids, this is me.
I was, when I have children, I'm telling you now, I will not be letting them look at screens
or eat sugar or any of that stuff.
And actually, parents that do do that, I'd like to judge them.
I'd like to judge them and maybe even condemn them.
Now, I've got three children, I'm like, oh my God, give it an iPad and a Dr. Pepper,
will you?
Silence these children!
I've changed a lot.
I used to be vegan, now I eat meat, everything.
Don't tell me you're more into carnivorism than the incarnation.
Don't tell me you're more into eating flesh than God became flesh.
Don't tell me you're more enamoured of the barbecue sauce than the holy covenant of blood.
It is delicious.
Man, I missed it.
I was vegan for so long, I was so hungry.
It was a desperate, desperate time.
I can't get enough steaks now, I've tried, I'm doing nothing but devouring them continually.
I want to talk to you, you lot, about the possibility of change and the possibility
of transformation.
I was listening to Ben Shapiro and I admire Ben Shapiro a great deal for many things.
I think he's an excellent man, an excellent communicator, and I think he's done phenomenal
work in a lot of areas.
I believe in peace.
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Messiah.
I believe that He came to atone for our sins, paid a debt that we could never pay.
And indeed, if we're going to be at a Turning Point event, we have to pay homage to the
spirit of Charlie Kirk in truth and the principles of Turning Point, unapologetically telling
the truth, unapologetic, absolute attempts to understand one another, to communicate
openly.
And there's clearly a conversation that needs to be had in this country right now.
Clearly there is.
Doubtlessly, many people are cynical and sceptical.
Turning Point has performed an incredible function in ensuring that young people have
access to conservative values and conservative principles.
But if you've read that book, if you've read the Bible, you will know that human institutions
are fallible, beyond fallible, captured.
Now I've got the Bible with me, so you know that you're not making the terrible mistake
your nation once made of listening to people with this accent, trying to tax you without
representation.
But there's very little point in you having that magnificent revolution, and then falling
once more into the traps that have been laid a thousand times.
For surely those traps are multitudinous, nefarious, deceptive, and difficult to avoid.
There are imprints.
The counterfeit systems of centralized control are asserted again and again and again.
It is the function of the world to distract you.
It is the function of the world to enchant you.
It is the measure and means of the evil one to create facsimiles of systems of omnipotence,
omniscience, and omnipresence.
And I tell you this as a proud Englishman from a country where they're introducing facial
recognition technology, digital ID, ending trial by jury, incarcerating people for free
speech.
The United Kingdom is in trouble, and we look to you for an example, and that example must
be transcendent of the political.
In short, I can't collapse my love and devotion to Christ Jesus into support of one or any
political party.
I know that Turning Point's here to advocate primarily for Republicans, and I'm not suggesting
they change what they're doing.
They're a brilliant organization.
I'm telling you that I love Jesus.
Jesus.
That unless people are following Christ, they will fail you, and they will let you down.
Now I happen to think that Trump's performed near miracles in office, as a matter of fact.
Near miracles, because I think he happens to be a pretty obstinate, anomalous, and unique
individual.
That's what I happen to believe about Donald Trump.
Authentic and open, a stumbling block for global imperialism that was on the precipice
of total domination.
When Donald Trump makes a post like he made about Rob Reiner, God bless and God rest Rob
Reiner's eternal soul, I would say that's further evidence of Trump's lack of filter.
Trump makes mistakes.
He says things that are regrettable.
There's no chance of that with your former president, because I don't suppose that auto
pen could handle making X posts.
Frankly, I'm surprised that Biden could keep hold of that auto pen with Hunter Biden in
the household.
Surprised he didn't sell it for crack, or just directly use it to smoke crack.
This powder does three things that they would charge you $10,000 for, but the FDA approved
it, so they're screwed.
One, it releases stem cells from your bone marrow.
Two, it makes you 27% harder to kill.
That's good.
Three, it floods everything with nitric oxide.
It's like going to the clinic and ordering the entire menu with stem cell therapy as
the cherry on top, but it's chocolate, and it costs a fraction of that.
If you think I'm exaggerating, listen to this, Dr. Simon Mills, one of the world's top herbal
medicine researchers in the world.
Dark chocolate is a medicine, end of.
It's one of the best medicines around, brain health as well, cardiovascular health.
They do studies where they're able to show changes in the blood flow within minutes,
certainly within an hour of eating cocoa.
Beneficial changes in your blood flow.
That's right.
Dark chocolate.
That's not a euphemism, but here's where people get it wrong.
The flavanols, the part that actually does anything, it gets destroyed when the chocolate's
processed.
They're down there, Willy Wonka, the Oompa Loompas, all that gang, they're kicking the
flavanol right out of it.
Regular chocolate has 50 milligrams of dead flavanols.
This Black Forest high flavanol cocoa powder has 1,200 milligrams of pharmaceutical extracted
flavanols.
It's been extracted.
It's flavanol.
Studies show the brain gets sharper, 8.6 seconds faster in cognitive tests.
Blood flows where it counts, 80% improvement, and the heart gets stronger, and 27% less
death.
Got to be an advantage to be alive, hasn't it?
Has it?
Take control of your health before someone else does.
Try flavanol.
There's a Christmas deal, as you might imagine.
It's insane.
40% off for 48 hours only.
Black Forest.
Go blackforestsupplements.com forward slash brand.
I'm using it, and as you can see, I've never been better.
I see things differently from Ben Shapiro, I've got to tell you, whilst I respect him,
I respect his faith, and I respect that we worship and praise the same God.
I recognize that, but I believe it's important and vital to have conversations with people
that oppose difficult opinions and opposing opinions.
I've spoken to Nick Fuentes.
I've spoken to Candace Owens.
They're Christians like you and like me, and were they not?
They're broken human beings like you, like me, like Ben Shapiro, like Tucker Carlson.
No one's better than anyone else.
We're all on our knees, shoulder to shoulder, under the blood of Christ, and what I would
advocate for is supreme compassion for Erica Kirk as a human being, as a woman, as a mother
that's lost her husband, as a woman who has to ... I left my kids to come here today,
man.
My little boy who's two, my little boy whose carved heart led me by the hand to Christ,
that little boy that I handed over to anethetists, anethesists ... Hold on a minute, I can do
this.
Anethesists.
Someone here with your accent?
Anethesists.
People that ... Let's just cut this bit.
It's not being streamed live, is it?
No one cares about this.
Everyone's just like, did you see what Ben Shapiro said about Tucker?
And then Tucker's going to, oh my God, man, oh man ... Well, honestly, I can't believe
that Tucker Carlson would have an interview with somebody and not grab them by the throat,
frankly.
We're children of God.
No one knows anything.
You're broken, I'm broken, Ben Shapiro's broken, we're all wrecked and ruined.
The reason I love that man, Charlie Cook, I learned to love him more posthumously.
When I met him a couple of times, I didn't understand what he was, frankly.
He was so bloody tall, I just thought he was a kind of right-wing rain man.
But when I told him I was reading Romans, he told me it's the Christian constitution.
And I've returned to that book many times since his sad death with those words in mind.
What does he want from us, our Lord?
Can Jesus Christ help us to manage the complexity of a domestic culture that sometimes feels
like it's on the precipice of ruin, fragmentation, incessant conflagration?
Of course he can.
Can Christ resolve the complexity of the issues in the Middle East?
Is it possible to love Jesus Christ, to believe that Israel has a right to a homeland, but
to be deeply concerned about events in Gaza and the deaths and the power and the mismatch?
I believe under Christ it is possible.
Is it possible to be cynical and have doubts about the deep state?
Is it possible to have questions about permanent government, global bureaucracies that seek
to emulate God while telling you God's not real?
Of course it's possible.
The old model will not work.
We are waiting for a new kingdom.
The systems will fail you because they are human systems.
Even advanced technology will only emulate the counterfeit systems of the fallen one.
Indeed, what is Lucifer but an attempt to set up your own kingdom, your own circuit,
to not accept the supreme sovereignty of our Lord God?
What is it?
Now, I didn't just bring this Bible for show.
I've actually marked out passages to read you, and I'm going to do that now.
Look, I've put little bookmarks in there.
Aren't I adorable?
Now, just listen to this because I've thought a lot about what I wanted to say to you today
and why, indeed, you would listen to me.
Because I'm a person that doesn't like authority.
I'm a person that, maybe like you, woke up to the depth, breadth, and insidiousness of
corruption during the COVID pandemic period.
I believe many of us recognized that was an attempt to subdue us, to subjugate us, to
make us dependent on the state.
You can have dependency only on one entity, one deity, one God.
I thank the Lord, man, that even before I was saved, my rejection of worldliness as
a natural rebel meant I never took that vaccine, not once.
They played it wrong for me.
If they'd really wanted me to take that vaccine, a little bit of reverse psychology probably
would have been the best way.
The main reason I didn't take it is because they told me to.
The main reason is I already know, don't trust the government, don't trust Big Pharma.
I know that already from life.
I don't trust the people that induce an opioid crisis when they tell me that it's necessary
to take injections.
I don't trust systems that require us to be mentally sick, malnourished, dependent on
bad food and bad ideas.
I don't trust those systems.
If they'd really wanted me to take those vaccines, all they had to do was hide a couple of syringes
somewhere in my house and say, listen, there's some syringes in here.
Under no circumstances are you to touch them or take them.
I'd be like nine booster shots in within a week.
Pericarditis, myocarditis, just hit me, baby, hit me.
Natural immunity, the divine power of the body?
No.
The divine power of Pfizer, the divine power of Merck, the divine power of Moderna.
And I'm telling you now, I speak to you as a visitor and a guest in your magnificent
country with the reminder that it was none other than Charlie Kirk that said your constitution
was written, he believes, to be practiced by a Christian nation.
If you don't have Christianity as an accompaniment to the constitution, you'll get corruption.
But don't take my word for it.
Here we go, first up, Luke 4, 6.
The world is run by dark, nefarious forces.
I've not been Christian very long, but what's been so exciting about it, this is my first
Christian Christmas.
No, I had one last year, but this year, I feel it, man.
I feel the advent.
I feel him.
I feel the coming of the light.
I know that in the dark, low places of your life, in the manger of your life, that is
where the king will come.
If you're suffering now, if you're suffering today, if you feel at a loss, if you feel
broken, if you feel that all around you is babble on babble, brokenness, and fallen
fragmented communication, I'm here to tell you that he is coming.
He is coming in your life.
He is here now.
We worship the living God, the gift of the Holy Spirit, the down payment is in us now.
I feel it in this room.
I'm not pretending.
Christ is real.
The Holy Spirit is real.
Yield to no human power.
Don't trust them.
Get used to disobeying authority.
Man, even before I found the Lord or the Lord found me, or is such subjectivity even possible
in the transcendent, ahistoric, a-manifest world of our Holy One?
Who knows?
Not me.
But I'll tell you, I never like being told what to do.
I've never trusted authority.
It makes me a bad driver.
I'll tell you that.
Because I think, you know, like, all right, for example, stop signs or traffic lights.
These are perfectly reasonable systems in the event of an evident contraflow of traffic.
If there's a red traffic light, and there's a car coming, he wins.
I get the game.
I get red, the color of blood, the color of fire.
I get it.
But in the event that it's the middle of the night, and there's a red traffic light, I'm
taking my freedom as an American.
Because the world has been captured by evil, and they're training you to be obedient.
Anarchist calisthenics, I call it.
Anarchist calisthenics.
Break rules every day just to remind yourself you can.
Bow down to the only true authority, not to made-up, phony authorities.
Turn up here telling us what to do.
Because here, this is Luke 4, Luke 4, 6.
The temptations of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.
This is the devil talking right now.
I mean, when I read it, not me.
I am saved.
Although this shirt's pretty diabolical, baby.
Hey, my wife got me this shirt.
I love my wife.
Oh, man, my ex-wife's parents are here.
They're Christians, and I love them.
I love Mary Perry, God bless you.
Thank you for bringing the message to me.
I've got to say, though, look, Katy Perry, I was married to her.
I love her still, and I'm glad that her mom's in the room to hear me say this, but look,
I was okay with Orlando Bloom.
But Justin Trudeau!
Don't put me in a category with that guy!
That globalist stooge!
All right, praise Jesus.
Come on, kids.
God's real.
Right, so listen.
This is the second temptation as Luke renders it, and what does Satan, the tempter, say
to our Lord?
Check this stuff.
I will give you, oh, man, oh, no, this is really good, actually, because check this
out from it.
Like, the Christ I love is the psychedelic Christ, the transcendent yet imminent Christ,
the Christ that's beyond reason, the Christ beyond what's able to be known or understood.
When they say you will know a peace that passeth all understanding, it doesn't mean a really
complex or a really big bit of peace.
It means it's beyond the rational mind.
It's beyond enlightenment values.
It takes humankind and puts us in our rightful place.
We are subjects.
We are agents.
We are not the principal.
We are not gods.
We are not kings.
As soon as people start using reason to determine morality, guess what they reason?
They reason they're right.
That's what they reason.
A peace that passeth all understanding means you will know great peace when you transcend
the realm of that which can be measured.
He is beyond that, and note in Luke, the devil led him up to a high place, an absolute pinnacle
I see that as, and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world.
In an instant, it was outside of time.
It was atemporal.
Of course, a battle between good and evil, personified, will take place outside of time.
And he said to him, I will give you authority over all the kingdoms of the world, all of
their splendor.
It has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to.
If you worship me, it will be yours.
Now, our Lord Jesus doesn't say, you're not in charge of the world.
That's ridiculous.
He says, yeah, get it, man.
I'm not going to paraphrase Jesus.
I'm not there yet, but Jesus answered, it is written, worship the Lord your God and
serve him only.
He recognized that the prince of this world is the fallen one.
Next time you're asking yourself, why is the world like this?
Why is there so much confusion, and miscommunication, and doubt, and war, and hatred, and pain,
and suffering?
It's because the evil one is in charge.
Luke 10.18.
Now, I love this, because when you found the Lord, and when the Lord finds you, you might
get a little bit lit up.
You can see it in me, can you?
I'm all excited.
But in the past, I had a tendency to make it about myself, you know?
I used to think I was quite important.
I'm not important.
It's irrelevant.
There's nothing to attain but him, his glory, his grace.
Now, after our Lord has given them the commission to go out and heal, this happens.
Luke 10.17.
The 72 disciples, you know, because it was the whole crew, returned with joy and said,
Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.
Jesus replies, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.
I've given you authority to trample on snakes, and scorpions, and to overcome all the power
of the enemy.
Nothing will harm you.
However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written
in heaven.
Why does our Lord mention seeing the fall of Satan in a moment of hubristic glee of
the returning disciples?
I'd be pretty excited if I just cast out demons.
I'd be pretty excited if I conducted miraculous healing.
And precisely this excitement, this personalized, egoic, to use a contemporaneous word, individualized
sense of pride is what our Lord strongly counsels against, because as an atemporal being that
was there when the spirit passed over the water, the word, the logos, the word made
flesh was there when Satan fell.
And what is Satan's sin?
He wants his own kingdom.
He wants his own principality.
I bid you, Turning Point, American Fest, this Christmas to consider the neurological corollary,
the circuitry and the synapses when you're trapped in self.
Only he can break you out of the false garden.
Only he may return us to the new merged kingdom.
He saw the inception of the tendency to individuate your will, to replace God's will with your
own will, and with a beautiful, synchronous, glorious, symphonic, and educating moment
for me.
It says here, please transition to questions with Joe Bob.
Now, in the absence of actual Jesus Christ in the incarnate form, if you get a message
saying bring Joe Bob on the stage, and you've just said you believe in Jesus, then you better
bloody well bring Joe Bob on the stage, because otherwise you're caught in self-will.
Now, allow me just to say this one more thing.
There are two quotes I want to give you.
One is from the British writer G.K.
Chester, and who is credited with bringing C.S.
Lewis, that other great British writer, to the Lord.
He said, Christianity has not been tried and found wanting.
It has been found difficult and left untried.
We have not yet tried to create the Christian nation that America may yet become.
As an Englishman, as a visitor, I pray that you're able to do it.
I pray that you can build a Christian America to be a shining city on a hill, an exemplar
for the rest of the world.
I pray that in the name of the Son, the Father, and the Holy Spirit.
If Chesterton is too high for looting for you, let me quote that great American, Rocky
Balboa, played by the immeasurably beautiful and brilliant Sylvester Stallone, who in Ricky
— not Ricky IV, who I nearly cursed there the first time I met him — who at the end
of Rocky IV says, if I can change, and you can change, maybe the whole world can change.
Somewhere between Chesterton and Rocky are our solutions.
Thank you for having me, AmFest, and please welcome to the stage, Joe Bob!
All right, what is going on, AmFest?
Guys, Russell Brand is right here.
We can do better than that.
What is going on, AmFest?
So, if you don't know who I am, my name is Joe Bob.
I'm a comedian.
I also host the show Turning Point tonight on Real America's Voice.
I actually got to — I'm not sure if you know this — I got to tour the better part
of the last three years with Charlie as an opening act, and a lot of people didn't quite
understand why Charlie was bringing a comedian on the road with him, but I think it's because
Charlie understood the power of humor in changing the minds, the hearts and minds of especially
young people, and so with that, they — this is either a good or bad idea — they let
me curate some questions from our students as a comedian.
My first response to your point about humor is C.S. Lewis says that the connection between
the holy and humility is humor.
We must be able to laugh.
Otherwise, I'm English.
How am I going to cope with the embarrassment of knowing, you know, I know Candace Owens.
I believe her to be a good person.
Erica Kirk deserves love and respect and reverence as a grieving widow and endless compassion.
I know Tucker Carlson.
He's my friend.
I love him.
Ben Shapiro.
I respect him a great deal.
I don't know him, like, super well, but I'm English.
I could explode with embarrassment without a sense of humor just from the stuff that's
happened in this room already tonight, and what we have to find is a kind of unity, not
only among conservative pundits, but between Americans everywhere, Republicans and Democrats.
These phony false labels, these fake taxonomies have to be put aside if you are going to save
your country and the world, and one way to do that might be by laughing about it.
I hope so.
Otherwise, I'm out of a job.
Well, this question is for me because you had brought it up.
Your ex-wife is now dating a guy who should be deported, Justin Trudeau.
Do you think the way that you've turned out, she actually might be the catalyst for people
becoming super based?
You think that Katy Perry, well, firstly, I would say this, her mother is in the room
and I've remained good friends with her father, and Katy Perry, yes, Mary Perry, praise Jesus.
I've got nothing but good things to say about Katy Perry or indeed anybody.
Justin Trudeau on the other hand, oh, man, like, look, the biggest threat to our society
are political leaders that have no authentic power that seem to be operating on behalf
of global bureaucracies that seem to get kind of auditioned into political power.
We have it in my country.
We have it in France.
We have it everywhere.
We know these are not real political leaders and real political figures.
You can see it by looking at them.
They are working, they are the operatives of deeper interest, shall we say, whether
that's the WEF or the WHO or something more occult that I don't understand.
All I've noticed about, well, I will say, look, I'd like to be positive and forgiving
and loving.
It is a message of forgiveness and loving that I'm here to share, and I will say he's
got a nice haircut.
I'll take that.
Black up less.
Hairdressers more.
So, our first student curated question, and I'm kind of hoping this doesn't take the
whole time because I do think it's interesting.
Should I talk quick?
No, no, no.
I can speak quicker than this.
I'm slowing myself down.
Because I do think it's fun and interesting.
Mark had asked, do you think Jesus had a sense of humor?
Yeah, he does.
He's all, look how he treats them idiots, like, you know, the disciples.
Oh, my God, have you not understood yet?
Wake up.
What are you going to sleep for?
I only told you to keep watch for an hour.
No, you can't be foreign secretary and home secretary of heaven.
It doesn't work like that, John and James.
He's double patient with them idiots.
You know, and every single one of them becomes saints.
That's why I love him.
He's here now.
But they were like, now, listen, I used to want to, like, the reason I couldn't worship
Jesus before is because I wanted to be him.
Now I accept the ridiculousness of that.
I can't even cope with looking after my own pets and children.
But, you know, I'm still going to go for John the Baptist or St. Paul or one of the lesser
disciples, not Judas.
That guy, he was out of control.
So obviously, you're an artist and you've been in the creative world for your entire
working career.
Conservatives have, unfortunately, lost a lot of ground in the creative space.
This question came from Lee at Florida Gulf Coast.
How do conservatives reclaim the arts, movie, TV?
Realistically, the question, I think, says how does realism reclaim the arts?
Well, you know, I mean, I should answer this as Jordan Pearson.
It isn't obvious to me at all that there's such a thing as conservative art, bucko.
I would say, what I would say is the values of conservatism, preservation, traditionalism,
individual freedom, family, these are beautiful values.
I would not myself claim to be a conservative person.
I believe in freedom.
I believe in your freedom.
I believe in my freedom.
And I believe that art, rightly undertaken, is a way of worshiping, revering, and demonstrating
God's glory.
As Eric Liddell, the Scottish runner, said, when I run, I feel God's joy.
Now we should be in all of our endeavors, whatever we do, doing it with love.
Not just creativity, painting pictures, singing songs, all of that.
I know people that are working in sort of industries of engineering and mechanics.
I'm thinking of my neighbor, Chance.
When he mends things, when he repairs things, there's such reverence and love for God in
the way that he works.
Do everything for God.
Like Brother Lawrence, the 16th century French monk.
And bearing in mind this guy's French, so come on.
I'm English, so I'm allowed to dislike, and indeed do.
No, I love the French.
How can you dislike anyone?
He says, I flip my little omelet in the pan for you, Lord.
And he says, I live as if only you and I were the only things in the world, as if God and
you are the only things in the world.
That means every encounter you have, every conversation you have is an encounter with
God.
Me and Joe Bob, the Lord talking to the Lord.
So, conservative values are secondary to me, to Christian values, and I cannot collapse
my Christianity into anything other than devotion to Christ Jesus.
This one comes from Bodie at Montana State.
You look lovely, by the way, and you're doing a good job.
I like your earrings.
I love your haircut, and I see why Charlie likes you.
You're a good man.
Lovely gnashes, good set of teeth, lovely railings, we'd say in the UK.
Lovely set of railings.
You're gorgeous.
You're a married man, are you?
Yes, sir.
Yeah, me too.
I wasn't coming on to you.
I'm steady.
I was going to say, I'd like to think the fact that Charlie liked me not for my looks,
necessarily.
May not have been the looks.
Yeah, I don't think he was tuned into that sort of thing, was he?
Mostly he liked lozenges.
That's what I remember.
When I last spoke to Charlie Kirk, a time that I now cherish, of course.
He seemed so in his brilliant intellect, so brilliant in the word, so compassionate in
his conversations with people that were different.
It's astonishing that anyone could muster up hatred for him, but this is the world that
we live in now.
To move on, Bodie from Montana State says, over the last year, have you seen any positive
changes in Hollywood and in your profession with actors who are more open as you've become?
Mate, I've got to tell you, I'm not in Hollywood.
I couldn't be further from Hollywood.
I'll never be in Hollywood again.
I'm not interested in the arts of deception and false illusion and false idols and celebrity.
I'm not in Hollywood.
I'm not judging people that are, like someone like Chris Pratt, who's all magnificent and
able to share the word so beautifully.
I'm just saying that for me, the experiences I've had, I can't do it.
I can't be around all that, not because I think that I'm a good person, but because
I know how fallen and how broken I am.
I'm not good with too much stimulation, too much temptation, too much invitation into
objectifying people or worshipping money.
I'm too weak.
I'm too vulnerable.
Unless the Lord is in me, I'm in serious trouble.
Hey, but I will tell you that this week, I'm 23 years clean and sober from drugs and alcohol
one day at a time, and when you unplug from addiction, whatever that addiction is, you
have the opportunity to plug into the true source of all power.
It took me 20 years.
I'm a slow learner, but once you unplug from addiction or self-obsession, although I still
have that a bit, of course, you are able to receive the true grace, the living water,
the holy flow like golden honey pouring forth from your belly, living springs of wonder
and glory in all of us, in all of us, in you, especially you, Joe Bob.
I reckon that's what old Charlie Kirk likes about you, the flowing golden honey from the
midriff.
I can promise you that is not the case.
I'm speaking metaphorically, Joe Bob.
Well, I guess to kind of follow up on that personally, what are some practical advice
that you might have to somebody who is struggling, not necessarily in the realm of Hollywood,
but with addiction and all of this sort of stuff that you've been able to overcome?
So glad you asked me that.
I know the answer to this.
Because if you are suffering from addiction, it means that some things, it is a form of
force idolatry.
You are blessed if you are addicted to drugs or alcohol.
You are blessed because it initiates abstinence.
And once you understand abstinence, cutting off from drugs and alcohol, which is difficult
and you won't be able to do it without support, the support of other human beings and the
support of initially a God of your understanding, but my prayer would be that that would ultimately
become Jesus Christ.
You begin to realize that what you've been doing is worshiping.
It is worship.
You worship yourself.
Like the verse I cited, when Satan falls from heaven, he wants to establish his own circuit.
Drugs and alcohol are an attempt to sort of foreclose against reality.
It's a kind of a peculiar form of self-worship.
Now when you stop drinking and taking drugs, it is anguish, it is agony, and it is despair.
But in that despair and anguish, you can, as I said with the Christmas story, when you
are down among the animals, when you are broken, when you are lost, that is when you will find
him.
That is when he will come to you.
You are blessed if you have an addiction issue.
You need to get the support of 12-step fellowships that are remarkable and incredible.
And it's the one thing, actually, Joe Bob, even though I've spoken for quite a long time
now, that I actually can help people with.
So if you do have addiction issues, tell me.
Find me on the way out.
I'll baptize you right now on the way out of here, and I'll help you one day at a time
to find the support that you need.
I can do that for you.
I'll sit somewhere.
Will I or will I be like trying to stop Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson having a nerd fight?
Now listen, I will give you such a duffer.
Oh my God, honestly?
Like Jake Paul, Anthony Joshua, pay-per-view Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson.
Oh man.
Yeah, if you're a drug addict or an alcoholic, I can, by his grace, I can help you.
The way I was helped, the way I was helped.
You know, as a guy that makes his living being able to say what he wants to say, in your
opinion, what is the biggest threat to free speech right now in the talking space but
also in the entertainment and arts space?
Well, I suppose the reason I'm grateful for Ben Shapiro this evening is because one of
the great threats is that people don't have the courage and confidence to disagree with
one another openly and plainly.
That is a great threat.
But the single greatest threat to all of our freedom is that there is indeed a global agenda
to centralize authority and control.
Now whether or not there are occultist dimensions to that is difficult to corroborate.
But you can observe the trend.
And the trend is to induce successive crises to legitimize government overreach.
That's the trend.
It began with the Patriot Act in your country, I think, or at least it was exaggerated.
The 2008 crash didn't help us none.
And the sad demise of the Occupy movement that could have been a kind of cross-party
alliance.
What I would say is the biggest threat to free speech is people using compassion to
legitimize control.
This is what happens when you extract Christ's kindness from the public conversation.
You somehow have to embolden some phony state to practice compassion.
The government cannot be at the heart of our culture.
The government are merely administrators.
The church is the heart of our culture.
The church is the heart of our community.
So the biggest threats are of globalism and a globally centralized media, which is collapsing,
but there will be attempts to manage and manipulate independent media.
We're already in that phase.
Out of curiosity, when you look at the Bible, what are you reading right now?
Right now, I'm looking at Romans because of that time.
This is to honor Charlie Kirk, this whole thing, isn't it?
That's why we're here.
And I really want to honor him by being funny and by being silly.
Because when I met him that time at the RNC Milwaukee, which is the time when he said
Romans is the Christian constitution, I was there with Dan Bongino, whatever happened
to that guy?
I was there with Dan Bongino, and God bless you, Dan Bongino.
I was here with Dan Bongino and Charlie Kirk, and I was sort of teasing Charlie Kirk.
And I couldn't tell whether or not, if he knew that when I torment people, it's my way
of sort of showing love.
And I was fascinated by his intelligence, and I've become subsequently, obviously, more
fascinated by his vast abilities, his ability to render complex information, to align Christian
principles with American political...
I mean, what a skillset, what an unbelievable man he was.
God rest his eternal soul.
The reason, what I'm looking at at the moment right now is this from Romans, because I was
thinking, you know, you're coming here, you're coming to AmFest, you're going to be talking
a bunch.
You'll be putting out fires between Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens and Ben Shapiro and Tucker
Carlson.
You'll be advocating for love everywhere you go.
What have you got in Romans, what Charlie Kirk told you to look at, that's going to
be of any use?
And he says this.
This is Romans 13, 11.
Now earlier in Romans 13, there does seem to be advocacy for human governmental authority,
right?
But I will remind you that Paul wrote that while in prison.
So if he was super into human governmental authority, what was he doing in jail?
Just a quick, you know, just something to consider, because I'll tell you why I say
that, because I don't like the idea that women submit to human authority unless it's backed
by the Lord, because I don't trust human authority.
I don't trust them.
I'll never trust them.
That's part of my little message.
Anyway, it says here, and do this understanding the present time.
The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation
is nearer now than when we first believed.
The night is nearly over.
The day is almost here.
So let's put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.
Let's behave decently as in the daytime, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual
immorality and debauchery, not in dissension and jealousy.
Rather, clothe yourself with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify
the desires of the flesh.
I like that we must awaken now.
That's what I like.
In kind of the brief remaining time, where do you see the culture going forward from
here?
Well, the truth is I don't see anything, because I'm very, very limited.
But what I would suggest is that if we do not embrace the principles of decentralization
and subsidiarity, we're going to encounter extraordinary trouble.
The trend, due to technology, as Breitbart said, who's, let's face it, a person who understands
culture, and as Ben Shapiro has said many times, politics is downstream of culture.
But all of these phenomena are downstream of technology.
The only thing that's upstream of any of that is our divine and holy omnipotent creator.
The technology empowers and facilitates mass decentralization.
A few years ago, five years ago, ten years ago, you wouldn't have, whether you like them
or not, a Nick Fuentes or a Candace Owens or a Russell Brand or a Charlie Kirk, because
the technology facilitated mass communication.
It's my strong belief that centralized authority who were attempting to use this very technology
for surveillance and control didn't anticipate the degree to which it will be used to create
mass free speech and fragmenting and fracturing political movements.
There was a legitimate reason when your country was established to have strong centralized
government that was representative.
That need becomes less and less with every passing day.
The principle should be maximum individual sovereignty, maximum family sovereignty, maximum
community democracy.
Wherever possible, people should be in control of their own resources, their own lives under
God.
We should eat food that we have grown, reared, or hunted that's near to where we live.
And we should at once oppose ourselves against these centralized and centralizing industries.
Big food, big pharma, big agriculture.
Before the advent of AI, that dark beast slouching towards Bethlehem is used to facilitate centralization
to a terrifying degree.
The very technology that may enslave us could liberate us if only, as it says in Romans,
we are willing to awaken.
If you in particular, the United States of America, are willing to do the hard work of
having the difficult conversations that are necessary, of affording a place at the table
for your enemies, of breaking bread with people you disagree with.
Whether I've been glib and flippant about Justin Trudeau, he's a child of God.
He deserves love, and he deserves respect, and he deserves happiness, and I pray for
that for him.
I pray for it for all of you.
As long as we're picking favorites, we're not acting like our Lord, for He has no favorites.
He loves us all.
We are fearfully and wonderfully made from the womb, from the moment of inception.
God loves us.
We must love Him as He has loved us.
If that means to the point of death, then it must be to the point of death.
And my admiration for Charlie Kirk, in spite of the myriad ways that I could pick out of
the air to disagree with the man, God rest his eternal soul, is that I strongly believe
that Charlie Kirk, had he known that doing what he did for a living and for a vocation
would cost him his life and leave his beautiful wife, Erica, a widow, I believe he would have
done it anyway.
And it is that I admire above all else, and it is that that I would seek to emulate, and
all of us are capable of learning from his example and emulating him.
Ladies and gentlemen, Russell Brand, let's hear it for him.
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