Meteorologist Exposes: The Communist Roots of Climate Change Agenda

The executive producer of the newsroom comes to me and says, listen, you're going to go down there in front of the coverage, but I really want you to talk about the connection between El Nino and global warming. And I said, well, I can't do that because there's no connection. And he whispers in my ear, he said, Brian, your problem is this, you don't know which facts to leave out. And I thought, my gosh, his cards have been revealed. Our Bay Area innovator today is Brian Sussman, longtime broadcaster, weatherman, and author known for challenging climate change narratives. In this conversation, Sussman traces how the modern climate movement took shape, examines its media origin, historical context, and what he sees as ideological parallels with political systems that prioritize control over individual liberty. He breaks down the science behind climate models, CO2, and historical climate cycles, and explores the broader implications of ESG and climate-driven policy on everyday life. This is Bay Area Innovators, and I'm your host, Steve Esposito. Brian, welcome to Bay Area Innovators. This is a great honor. I just want to tell you that. I am such a huge fan of your media group. My wife and I have been subscribers to the print version of The Epoch Times forever. And we're on the same page when it comes to how we see the world. I really appreciate that. Thank you very much. And it's great to have you here. You've been a meteorologist. You've been the weatherman. And you talk about, you challenge the narrative of climate change and before global warming. And you're not the only one. There's many people. But what I find different from your approach is how you connect the climate change narrative with communism. Yes. And that's something that I haven't seen much of. So can you tell us? Let's start with that. What was the connection? When you look at the first Earth Day in 1972, I believe, 70 or 72, it occurred on April 22nd. On that particular April 22nd, Vladimir Lenin would have been 100 years old. That's the very first Earth Day. And then when you look at the characters behind Earth Day, these were all fellow travelers. These were all people who were American citizens, but they were dyed-in-the-wool communists. For me, that's where it all starts. But at the end of the day, when you look back on Frederick Engels, Karl Marx's writing partner, this is in the 1800s. These people loathed capitalism. They loathed industrialism. They loathed people gaining wealth and enjoying their freedom. They loathed all of that. Frederick Engels wrote a, quite frankly, brilliant piece in terms of his descriptive words, saying that someday, because of industrialization, there would be massive amounts of pollution. And that pollution would disallow the sun's rays from coming to the Earth. And the Earth would freeze into a ball of ice. That was all because of industrialization. So in the late 1800s, here's Karl Marx's writing partner, Frederick Engels, talking about global cooling. They've been at this game for a long, long time. And that's why I write about it. So what's the connection now? Like, how do you see the actual connection in observing the activities of the climate change? Well, there was a gentleman who was, John Locke was his name, in the 1600s. He was an English philosopher. And John Locke was the guy that America's founders looked at to come up with this idea of having a country based on life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And we can break that down in just a moment, and I will. But John Locke talked about the Earth in a brilliant paper called Concerning Human Understanding. And he said, the Earth has been given to mankind by a higher power, by God. To support mankind and to provide mankind with happiness. Well, the communists don't want you to support yourself. They want to support you. They don't care about your happiness. In fact, they laugh at the idea of happiness. They want you to be their subjects. And so forever, I think the most clever, deceptive plan that they have come up with has been to use the fear of global warming, the fear of global cooling, the fear of climate change to bring us into a point of submission whereby they can control us. Now, what was your starting point? How did you get involved in the weather, looking at the climate change or global warming issues? Right, so how does my activities as a certified meteorologist lead me to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? It's really interesting. I was a television news director. So I managed, right out of college, I went to the University of Missouri, which had at the time a tremendous journalism school. Now it's a brainwashing institution. They teach their students something that's very interesting, and that's which facts to leave out. That's what they do at journalism schools now. They teach you how to cleverly determine which facts to leave out, because they all have an agenda, and I'll talk about that in just a moment. But I went to the University of Missouri when it was a real journalism school, and I graduated from the University of Missouri, and I'd been working in a television newsroom while I was going to school, and upon graduation, the owner of the TV station said, hey, you would be a great guy to manage my newsroom. And I thought, wow, what an opportunity. I'm way over my head, but I'll do it. And so I was the youngest television news director in the United States at that time. This is in the late 70s, long, long time ago. But I didn't like management. You know, you have to deal with people, and you have to deal with problems, and you have to deal with personalities. I would watch our weather guy stand before those maps, and he was always happy. He had a big smile on his face. Didn't matter if it was storming or what. He always was a happy guy, and I thought, that's the job I want. I don't want to have to manage people. It's too difficult. So I went back to school and I got a degree in meteorology, and then became a weatherman. And my weather travels took me to San Jose, California, KNTV. I was there for many years. Then took me back east to work for CBS. Worked there for many years. Came back to San Francisco, worked with a station called KPIX, which is the CBS station, and did that for many years. So I always enjoy just talking about the weather. But something happened along the way. This was in the 90s, and people were finally just starting to talk about global warming and climate change. And I wasn't really into any of that. I didn't really even know what they were talking about, because it seemed to me, based on my degree in meteorology, that the Earth's temperature is always warmed, and always cooled, and always warmed, and always cooled, and- Cycles, right? Yeah, they're cycles. No big deal. And so I wasn't into it all that well. But the vice president at that time was a guy named Al Gore, who became Mr. Global Warming. And vice president Al Gore was gonna come to California to put on a summit in Santa Barbara called the El Nino Summit. Now, El Nino, for those who are watching, saying, he's talking Spanish now, what is he doing? El Nino is an event that takes place in the Pacific, and it affects the waters along the America coastlines, the western coastlines. And the water during an El Nino warms. And it just becomes incredibly warm. And it can affect the weather, it can bring drought, or it can bring copious amounts of rain, it just depends. But it's a natural phenomenon that's been occurring for hundreds of thousands of years. It's no big deal. But Al Gore wanted to tie El Nino to his theory of global warming. The TV station came to me and said, we want you to go to Santa Barbara to front the coverage of Al Gore coming to California to talk about El Nino. I said, I have no problem with going down there, no problem at all, I'll front the coverage. The vice president will be here, I'll talk about the El Nino Summit. They said- This is what year? This is sometime in the 90s, maybe 94, 96. But Al Gore is vice president. Yeah, they're in big time. So now, here I am, getting ready to go to Santa Barbara, and the executive producer of the newsroom comes to me and says, listen, you're gonna go down there and front the coverage, but I really want you to talk about the connection between El Nino and global warming. And I said, well, I can't do that because there's no connection. I would have been the first meteorologist other than Al Gore, who thought he was a meteorologist, to talk about El Nino and global warming. I wasn't gonna ruin my reputation doing that. So I said, I can't do it. So this escalated into a loud argument in the newsroom. And finally, everyone's watching and looking at us, we're on the verge of cussing at each other. And the executive producer says, and he whispers in my ear, he said, Brian, your problem is this, you don't know which facts to leave out. Which is not what the University of Missouri is teaching. That's what all the universities teach now, but this is in the 90s. And I thought, my gosh, his cards have been revealed. This is how he runs his entire newsroom when it comes to the agenda he wants to put forward. Would it be any surprise to you that when this guy went to the University of Berkeley as a student many years before, he was president of the Democratic Students of America, the DSA, that's a communist organization. He was president of a communist organization on his campus when he was going to school, Students for a Democratic Society. And now he's telling me which facts to leave out. And I thought, you know what, I'm done with this. And you talk about this in your book, Climate Change, which I read, and it's very interesting, fascinating. There's another story that I like to talk about, the Dan Rather story, where Dan Rather came to the Bay Area. Very similar, very similar thing. So here's Dan Rather, the iconic newsman of his day. You know, in the 90s and early 2000s, he was the American newsman. Everybody trusted this guy. And he knew me very well because I worked for CBS and I used to fill in on their morning show in New York. And we got to have a relationship, a professional relationship. So he's in San Francisco and we get together briefly. We're in the studio where he's gonna be broadcasting from. He asked me to come by just to say hello. So we're having some niceties back and forth. And he said, Brian, you know what I'd like to do? I'd like you to make you, I would like to make you our CBS News West Coast weather correspondent. Oh my gosh, I thought I died and gone to heaven. What a job. For a meteorologist, all the big storms, I would be the front man talking about the storms all over the West Coast. I thought this is great. And he said, and you know, Brian, I think you'd be the perfect guy to talk about global warming. And I said, well, Dan, the jury is still out on global warming because at that point in time, you know, there were a lot of people that were debating it. I didn't believe in it, but I just said the jury's still out on global warming, but hey, I'd love to help out and be your West Coast correspondent. He looked at me, didn't say another word, turned his back and walked out of the studio like I didn't exist. I so offended him by saying that the jury was still out on global warming that he turned around and left. That's when I knew there was an agenda at play. And that's where I started to dig into the details. And that's where I realized this, quite frankly, is a communist plot. I know that sounds rather crazy, but at the end of the day, the basis for global warming, the basis for climate change is to put forth a Marxist agenda. And that's amazing. So again, the dialogue is being discouraged. You can talk in your book about how the dialogue is being discouraged, about whether this is real or not. Maybe let's dive into some of the details of what you discovered, what you came across that pointed out to you that there's room for discussion or there's room for challenging the narrative. Yes. Well, when you look at a couple of things, and if I could just pull out a... Absolutely. I was hoping we would go to this particular place in our discussion, but let's look at life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. These are the foundations. These are the pillars of American democracy. Our founders believed in life. In other words, everyone has a right to life. Communists don't believe that. They don't believe that your life is unique. If they don't like what you're doing, if they don't like what you're thinking, they'll throw you in a gulag, or worse yet, they'll execute you. They don't believe in life. Liberty. Liberty means freedom from tyranny. Well, the communist doesn't believe that as well. So we have life, we have liberty, freedom from tyranny, and we have the pursuit of happiness. Now, when you look at the pursuit of happiness, again, this came forth by this English philosopher in the 1600s named John Locke. The pursuit of happiness means you have a right to pursue what makes you happy. And he was talking about ownership of property. The work that you do with your own two hands, that can bring you happiness. And your intellectual property, that can bring you happiness as well. The communist believes that your life is not unique. So life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are balderdash to the communists. So what have they done? They've attacked industry. They've attacked success. They've attacked all the things that have made America great by saying all of the things you're doing are destroying the climate. Therefore, we need to dial back. We don't believe in industry. We don't believe in those things that have made America great. We want to let you know that what you're doing is destroying the climate. And so thereby they put together all these rules and regulations, et cetera, to try control people's behavior. I mean, look what's happening right now. All of the people who think they'll be a better climate citizen, a better environmental citizen if they buy a Tesla. A Tesla is an incredibly expensive vehicle. Now, if you want to buy one, I have no problem with that. I mean, they're incredibly fast. I love fast cars. But they have 7,000 batteries in the chassis. All of those batteries are not recyclable. Do you realize what happens when a Tesla has too many miles on it? No one wants to buy a used Tesla. And I know this for a fact because I have a home in Nevada. And I know people who work at the Tesla battery plant. There are thousands of trailers, closed trailers, like the trailers you would see behind a big semi truck. Thousands and thousands of trailers in the Nevada desert filled with used Teslas because you cannot recycle the batteries. Nobody wants them. They're highly toxic. When you create a Tesla vehicle, a Tesla vehicle requires 10 metric tons of carbon dioxide in order to be produced. An average sedan is seven metric tons of carbon dioxide. They require, they put out more carbon dioxide during the manufacturing than a regular car. And guess what? When you plug them in, 85% of the energy that goes in to recharge one of those batteries comes from fossil fuels. It's ridiculous. They are polluters, if anything. But people are jonesing to get one. They're dreaming to get one. They want to be a good environmental citizen. So I've got to have the Tesla. It's ridiculous what we're doing in terms of the brainwashing in this country. And of course, not just the Tesla. There's so many other electric cars that jump with the bandwagon. Let's talk about how we got there. So, you know, we were in the 60s when the smog was huge in LA. The waters were dirty. And there were things that were happening to clean these things up. And there was a good thing, right? And then something happened after that they changed things around. Nobody wants pollution. I mean, nobody wants pollution. We all want a pristine environment. There's no question about that. I think one of the things that happened in America was we had a president at the time who, Tricky Dick, we called him it. Nixon. But he was Nixon. But he was tricky. And Richard Nixon was a tricky guy. Well, in order to appease the left, because the environmental movement was really starting to uptick in the 60s and the early 70s. In order to appease the left, and he was good at making friends on the other side of the aisle, he created the Environmental Protection Agency. It was an executive order. He did it all by himself. He created the Environmental Protection Agency. And the Environmental Protection Agency started to go left very, very fast. And it was, in fact, filled with leftists at the time. And they saw this as their opportunity to take down America. Along the way, they came up with what I call the designer pollutant, CO2. CO2 is a requirement of life, carbon dioxide. Carbon is the backbone for all living things. Carbon dioxide is good. It's not bad. But it was deemed as being evil through works by the Environmental Protection Agency and other leftist organizations. And it suddenly became the bad guy. Carbon dioxide is a necessary component of the Earth's atmosphere. Carbon dioxide is cyclical. It starts in the Earth. And the carbon dioxide, over thousands of years, goes up into the sky. It rains back into the oceans. Carbon dioxide comes from volcanoes, much more than humans could ever put out into the atmosphere. Volcanoes, smoldering peat bogs, fall leaves that disintegrate. That's all carbon dioxide going to the atmosphere. Nature creates more of it than humans could ever do. And there's a cycle for it, just like the precipitation cycle. But it's been deemed as evil. And it's been one of the greatest tricks ever played on mankind. It's a natural component of our atmosphere, and we act like it's poison. So you're saying that happened because of control, by controlling this or saying it's evil, now we have to counter it, so we're gonna control the industries, control aspects of everyone's life. Yes, yes, yes. And so what happens? There's regulations, because the communist doesn't want to see, they don't want to see people thriving. They don't want to see people successful. They don't want to see people use their success to enjoy their lives and share it with other people. And so what they've been able to do is deem pollution, CO2 in particular, as evil. So what are they doing now? They have something called net zero, net zero. We're gonna go to net zero. Net zero means you're going to live a lifestyle where your energy is going to be coming from sources that don't involve carbon dioxide. So in other words, windmills, solar power. But the amount of carbon dioxide that is produced to create a windmill, and by the way, all this, for the most part, is being made in China. So China's in on this. China's making so much money off of this. The solar panels primarily come from China, and they're just absolute pollution machines. To create these things, so much CO2 is expended into the atmosphere, and so much dirty pollution is expended in the atmosphere. China doesn't care about that. They're looking at the opportunity to make money for their party. Not for the people, for the party. And we believe that, oh, these windmills are so luxurious. Oh, the solar panels are so wonderful. And again, 85% of the power generated in the United States of America comes from fossil fuels. We will never be able to rely wholly on these windmills and solar panels. Now I wanna touch a bit of your story, how you grew up in the United States, so you don't have a direct exposure to communism like many of us do. How did you get to this understanding of the evilness of communism, and how it affects people in the United States? Well, this is why when I hear your story, and I hear the stories of everyone who works for this organization, I choke up. I get teary-eyed, because you experienced it firsthand. I only heard about it through my parents and my grandparents. My grandfather grew up, he was a young boy in Russia. Just before the revolution, the winds of communism were blowing, and the people there could feel it. My grandfather was Jewish. There was a lot of anti-Semitism as well that went along with the Marxism that was brewing. And at the age of 13, his family somehow found a sponsor for him in America, and they gave him an admonition. Go to America, 13 years old, make money, send for your brother. He came to America, he was able to get a job literally selling used goods, junk, door-to-door at the age of 13. He made money, he sent for his brother. The family was gone, no trace. So I grew up in a family that loathed communism on my dad's side. My mother's side was a little different. They were from Finland. They had immigrated to northern Minnesota. And my grandparents were card-carrying members of the Communist Party USA. Like so many people from Finland who came to America, they were indoctrinated, they were caught up. And they later recanted all of that. Later in life, they recanted that. They wanted nothing to do with it. But my mother grew up in that environment, and she loathed communism. She wanted to be successful. She wanted to enjoy life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And she thought it was ridiculous what they believed. So she rebelled. She became very conservative in her rebellion. And she met my father, and it was a match made in heaven. So we grew up in this home where, in the 60s as I was growing up, and the hippies started coming forth, and in the 70s when these hippies became politicians, oh my gosh, I was warned. Do not trust any of these people. So it became a part of my being. And every time I meet someone from the former Soviet Union, or when I meet someone from China, I so appreciate the fact that they love this country because of what it really stands for, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Let's do a deeper dive into climate change, global warming, whatever you want to call it. So we have the cycles that you talked about, and then the climate models, because there are these models that are being used to look into how the temperature is increasing and all that. You talk about the New Year. Can you give us a summary of the climate models, how they work, and also the fluctuations? Yeah, the climate models are used for forecasting weather day-to-day, which, you know, they're very accurate. I look at the climate models every day. I'm not one of these guys that turns on the television to see what the weatherman's saying for the weather tomorrow. I'll do it myself. So I use the same. I use the same information. I go to the National Weather Service, and they have detailed climate models that I just enjoy looking at. And so I'll come up with my own forecast. And it's just, it's kind of a hobby. I just really enjoy doing it. So the climate models are great for forecasting the weather today, tomorrow, 10 days out. They can even give us an idea of what's happening 30 days out. Can you give us the website? The National Service, the National Weather Service? The one I use, I'll give you my friend's website. It's much easier. Just go to ggweather.com. Okay. ggweather.com. And you can dive into all the details there. And a friend of mine's been running that site for many years. We can trust that. Yeah, it goes to the National Weather Service, and it's really great. Got it. But, okay, climate models are great for a day, a week, 30 days. When you start using these climate models to go out for, let's just say, I wanna know what the weather's gonna be like in six months. The meteorologists who have put these models together say, we can't do that. It just, it won't work. We can do tomorrow. We can do next week. We can do 30 days. But you start going out months from now or a year from now, no, we can't do that. They'll admit, we can't do that. And then you speak of this as someone in that field. Yes. So, okay, I just wanna clarify. So it's, the climate models are not able to do that. But we have all of these PhDs working at colleges around the country and working for leftist think tanks who say that somehow, even though I can't trust the forecast for 30 days from now, I mean, literally, what if somebody said, what's the weather? Brian, I'm planning my vacation in 30 days. Can you tell me what the weather's gonna be like? I'd be foolish to try. That's stupid. And yet these PhDs working at these institutions around the United States and the world say that somehow they can use these same climate models to tell us what's gonna happen decades from now. That's, it's absolute garbage. They're making this stuff up. They can't predict what's gonna be happening years from now. And yet at the same time, they're telling us, well, because of climate change, we know exactly what's gonna happen and it's not looking very good. So are you saying these models are wrong or they're being manipulated? Or why are they the way they are? They're being manipulated. They're being manipulated by people with an agenda. Now, okay, the biggest storms on earth are hurricanes. They're the monster storms. And if anybody should be able to predict a hurricane, they can't be predicted. You can say that based on the knowledge we have, it looks like this next hurricane season could be a big one, but you can't predict when the storms are gonna occur or how big they will be. So I mentioned that because the biggest storms on earth are watched carefully and the forecast for the storm as it comes on shore, they can do that. But before it's even occurred, no one can tell you what's a hurricane's gonna be. Even that seems to change. Sometimes the direction is gonna change, the intensity, you think it's gonna be a category five, but it's not, it changes all the time. Good example. Yeah, the storm will start up and you're watching it carefully and they can't even track those perfectly. The guy who was, he's the king of hurricane forecasting, Dr. Neil Frank. He ran the Hurricane Center in Florida for longer than anybody, Dr. Neil Frank. Dr. Neil said this about my book. He understands life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. He loves this country. He loathes communism. Dr. Neil Frank said this. Over the 30 books I've read on this topic, Brian Sussman has the best understanding of what the climate movement is all about. Climate cult is a must read. He's the guy I went to when it came to, Neil, how are these people using these models to forecast what's gonna happen with climate change years from now? He said, they're making it up. They're inputting data that shouldn't be inputted into the models. They're making it up. So why is that not being exposed? Is that too big of a challenge to undertake the narrative? Well, that's the problem. They control the narrative. They control the narrative because they have their people in the TV networks. They have their people in the major newspapers. They have their people in all of the major communication publication systems. So this is, they're controlling the narrative. It's an uphill battle for us. So every once in a while, there's a great book. Well, there's your newspaper. There's your television show. There are other people like me writing these books. It's an uphill battle because we're so outnumbered. But at the same time, we have the truth on our side. Let me give you an example. But I'm talking more in the scientific field. If you have a science conference or things like that, how is that being? Well, okay, somebody like me, okay, I've written several books on the topic, best-selling books on the topic. No one would ever invite me to a climate conference. I would say, can we just debate? Let's go on stage and just have a back and forth. It could be lively. It could be entertaining. Let's do this. Nope, they don't wanna hear the opposite point of view. I mean, that's why in Climate Call, for example, I just talk, people need to know this. They think this is the hottest. Some people think this is the hottest weather ever. But at the same time, I look back and the climatic record is baked into the earth. You can dig. You can do research. You can look at sediments. You can look at seafloor sediments. You can do all of these things that are scientific to determine what the weather was like years ago. So the medieval warm period, 900 to 1300, it's estimated the temperature was more than two degrees warmer than today. What are you gonna blame that on? Smokestacks? Dinosaur farts? I mean, really, what are you gonna blame it on? I don't know. And for comparison, those two degrees are much more than what we think it's gonna destroy the earth now, right? Yeah, oh, they will tell us. If we get two degrees warmer than today, we're cooked. It's over, it's done. It was two degrees warmer in the 900 to 1300 year period. And it's gone cooler than today. So the temperature is always fluctuating. But again, they're blaming this on CO2. What was happening in the year 900? There was no CO, maybe some volcanoes blew up. Volcanoes are blowing up all around the planet all the time. So you talk in your book about ESG and the ratings that are pretty much, many companies need to comply with these ratings in order to do business. And there's just so many regulations. Can you summarize what's happening there? So a lot of big corporations in America are under pressure because let's say you're a car manufacturer. We know that a lot of CO2 is expelled into the atmosphere when making the cars, and that includes the Teslas. Teslas produce more CO2 expelled in the atmosphere than a standard vehicle, just because primarily the batteries and the lithium that's mined in China and Australia and other locations. Let's take an electric car company, for example, or no, we'll take any car company, it doesn't matter. Gas powered, electric powered, diesel powered. These companies are under the microscope of the left. And the left says, well, in order to make good for your carbon footprint, we've come up with a rating system that you need to abide by. So it's not just the car companies, it's companies all over. And even individuals, high profile individuals, they're asked, what is your ESG score? Well, ESG, environment, social, and governance. So they're scoring companies, they're scoring individuals on their ESG. How does an individual have an ESG score? Well, if you're a public person and well known, it's gonna be pretty obvious. So first of all, there's the environmental score. What are you doing to offset your carbon footprint? Let's say you're a very wealthy individual. Well, I'm offsetting my carbon footprint. I've got solar on my house. I'm driving a Tesla now, and I'm doing everything I can. Oh, good, we'll score you very well. Your house may be a 10,000 square foot mansion, okay? And you may have several of those mansions around the country, but it doesn't matter. You're using solar. Oh, and nevermind that most of the power generated from solar, again, has been expended into the atmosphere during the construction of the solar panels. Let's nevermind all that. But you're doing solar now. Okay, good, you got a good environmental score. Let's talk about your social score. Oh, okay, I see that you've given money to the Salvation Army, that's very good. What about your friends? Do you have any trans friends? Because if you have some trans friends, that'll up your score. We just wanna make sure that you're one of those people that don't like them. Okay, good, you have lots of friends that are like that. Okay, that increases your social. What about your governance, your governance? Now, this primarily applies to corporations, but it can apply to individuals as well. We wanna see who's on your board of directors. Is it diverse? Are there lots of different types of people represented? So we can do that in your personal life as well. Let's talk about your personal life. Tell us about all your friends. Do you have friends who look like this, or act like this, believe like this? Okay, that's good, you've got a good score now. But this is where we're going to apply more control on corporations and get people onto the board of directors who have no business being there. And to make sure that you're giving some of your money away to nonprofits who don't produce anything. This is the ESG score. And people are now applying it to themselves as well because they wanna be good citizens of planet Earth. So I wanna make sure that my personal ESG score is really good. Thanks for explaining that in just a few words. I know there's probably books and manuals and entire- Sure. Things about it, but just to get your input on that, I think that that's very valuable. Well, you know, it's also interesting because when you look at, and I don't apologize for talking about life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness so many times during this interview because that's the foundation of freedom, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. But what did Karl Marx come up with? He came up with something completely different. He had the rule of opposites, the rule of negation. And his point was that in terms of opposites, people just don't get along. Therefore, we need a heavy-handed government to keep them under control. He believed in things like that that would try to brainwash people to believe you'll never succeed, you'll never live without our control in your life. And so we wanna expose all of that. And ESG is just another way for people to apply control onto the lives and businesses that have, in many cases, made this country great. I happen to agree with a lot of that because growing up in a communist country, that's pretty much exactly what it feels like, that everything is controlled and everything is done for you. And if it wasn't for the government to provide for you, you would be completely lost. And many people were when things changed. You didn't know what to turn, what to do. Now, tell us, what motivates you to do what you're doing every day? What is that one factor that would say, I'm gonna keep doing what I'm doing and I'm gonna show people what's right? I get emotional when I talk about these issues, but I think of my own children and I think of my grandchildren because their generations are being outnumbered. We've got these education factories that really don't care about the next generation of chemists and the next generation of innovators and the next generation of business people with great ideas that could really improve the lives of many. They're not interested in that. They're interested in indoctrination. And something we talked about prior to coming on the air here, it was Lenin who said, give me a child for eight years and I'll make them a Bolshevik forever. The Bolsheviks were the most radical wing of the Communist Party. Give me a child for eight years. That's all he needed, eight years. And what are we doing now? We send our kids to these public education systems and they don't just get them for eight years. They get them for 12 years. If you include kindergarten, that's 13 years. If you include preschool, that's 14. They get our kids for over a decade of brainwashing and that's all the kids here. And the teacher could be wonderful. The teacher could be very nice and the kids wanna believe their teacher and the kids wanna get good grades perhaps to impress their parents, but they're learning absolute dreck. It's garbage. And this is what I fear about this country. We have this educational system that's indoctrinating these children. Okay, let's just take a step back. Let's look at what's been happening in Minneapolis lately. This is what motivates me because at the end of the day, people have been bought this hook, line, and sinker. They bought into this idea that industry, capitalism, freedom is wrecking the world by way of pollution. And the pollutant is CO2, which isn't a pollutant at all. It's necessary for life. Okay, now let's just step back. Let's look what's happened in this brainwashing system. I look at these people in Minneapolis, these young people, and I see their soundbites on TV. Some of these people, they're nurses, they're doctors, they're lawyers, and they're literally talking about killing the opposition, murdering the opposition. I heard one lady who was an OBGYN talking about how she wished one of these people on the right would have a baby and basically, in the process of having a baby, die. She did it in very, very graphic terms. She was using medical terminology I didn't understand, but she was wishing that this pregnant woman who was on the other side of the aisle would have a baby and die. What do the communists do to those who oppose them? They kill them. Firing squads to this day take place in some of these communist countries. They kill the opposition, and that's what we're seeing from these young protesters in Minneapolis. They want to kill the opposition. Now, listen, I hate communism, and I hate communists, but I would never wish them to die like that because I believe in life. I would never wish that upon my enemy, but this is what we're hearing from people on the left, and it's frightening, and they're young people, 20s, 30s, it's frightening. Where do they learn this? It's scary. Brian, what is your wish to accomplish with your book? The climate change agenda has reached into virtually every corner of American life, but wait, the climate change agenda has wreaked havoc upon the world, and my brothers and sisters who live in communist countries, I would wish that someday they see freedom, but for my brothers and sisters in America, as we get closer to tyranny, I want them to wake up and realize what's happening, and it seems like it's an uphill battle because virtually every corner of American life and our liberty and their pursuit of happiness is being impacted by this ecological agenda. And by the way, I should mention this because the word ecology is a very common word. Karl Marx, and I detail this in Climate Cult, Karl Marx had a number of disciples. These were students of his who were professors in universities, and it was one of these professors who came up with the idea the environment could be our best weapon to usurp freedom, liberty, capitalism, industrialism. It could be our best weapon, and he coined the term ecology. So it was a Marxist disciple, a direct disciple of Karl Marx, one of his friends who came up with the word ecology. It would just be a very clever word that could be used to put forward an agenda. So when you hear somebody say, well, I'm an ecologist. Yeah, you're a communist too, probably. That's the word that's been used. But I'm gonna turn to the last page of my book. Marxism, without any doubt, has taken firm root in America. And as you've discovered, one of the many weapons being used to pummel us into submission, because you know, you live in a communist country, they pummel you into submission. And if you dare cross that line, if you dare cross that line, you could be executed. They're pummeling us into submission with a climate agenda. And let me just say right now, an ecological agenda. I deeply believe we're at a critical point in history where such an awakening is needed more than ever, allowing people to step out of the clutches of indoctrination and see the world afresh. We need to step back and get out of this, this intoxication of indoctrination, and be able to see that we've been played like a cheap fiddle. We need to wake up and we need to reclaim the United States of America, quite frankly, before it's too late. Again, I look at this young generation and they've been so indoctrinated that it's frightening. And that's what we need to do. We need to step up, we need to become educated through books like mine and many others. And we need to share the good news because it is good news at the end of the day. We can win this battle because the truth is on our side. I think, Brian, we thank you so much for your time. I think the message that I get is that, first of all, it's a dialogue. Allow for a dialogue. Don't shut down, don't censor, don't stop the people who wanna question things. Let at least a dialogue discussion happen before you make a decision. Yes, because they wanna shut down the discussion. They don't want a discussion. I want a dialogue. And that's what programs like this do. This program's available for anybody who wants to watch it. It allows for a dialogue. It allows for a stimulation of thought. That's what we need for the truth to win. Let's look at the optimistic side and how can this improve? How can this become a positive thing in society? How can this whole effort change into a good one? I'm not talking about climate change, of course. I'm reminded of something we had talked about in a previous conversation when you were a youngster in Romania. And I have a friend, a very dear friend, who I speak to every week. He lives in Bulgaria. So you were in the same region of the world at the same time during communism. And he shared something with me that you shared as well. He would listen to Radio Free Europe on just a little transistor radio. He'd tune it in and he'd listen and he'd hear the truth. Yes, yes. And it gave him a sense of excitement and it gave him hope. So I believe that we need to find ways within ourselves to gain hope. I look at the founders of the United States of America. They had their own evil empire they were fighting at the time, and that was Great Britain. Great Britain wanted to slaughter them. In no uncertain terms, they knew they were outnumbered. They could never defeat such an army, but they remained hopeful. And a lot of it was because some of these men and women were very spiritual and they believed in a very specific higher power and they got their hope from that. The truth is on our side. We can win. And somehow they did. They defeated the greatest army in the history of the world and they won their freedom. So now we're up against one of the great ideological battles of all time. And it involves communism and it involves the climate. And it's hidden. It's not out in the open. Yes, and it's hidden because they know which facts to leave out, as we discussed earlier. But we need to maintain hope. We need to keep a smile on our face. I'm reminded of Ronald Reagan when the Soviet Union was the evil empire. And there was great contention between our country and Russia and the Soviet Union at large at the time. And Reagan would always have this little smile on his face and he would make us feel a little better about things. Now, granted, he was an actor, a former actor, so he knew how to smile even in dispirited times. But when he gave us that smile, it would give us a little hope. And I think we need to find ways to achieve hope in our lives. Otherwise, and my wife tells me this all the time, Brian, you know so much. You know so much about how the other side is playing ball. Don't let it ruin, don't let it ruin your attitude. Find ways to lift your spirits and be hopeful. And so that's really necessary at this particular time. So even though I might've been saying some things that were completely truthful, but at the same time very scary, I just want to let people know that at the end of the day, there is hope. Brian, again, thank you so much. My pleasure, thank you for having me. Thank you for watching another episode of Bay Area Innovators. If you enjoyed this episode and you know someone who should be on our show, please send us an email at sfbay at epochtimes.com. We would love to hear from you. Thank you and see you next week.