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The multifamily market right now is going through the biggest reset that I've seen since 2008.
Most investors usually during this time they sit on the sidelines just waiting for things to get
worse. They're waiting for things to hit the bottom. But as you know we've been actively
buying hundreds of millions of dollars of real estate in the last year. In this video I'm going
to break down exactly what is happening and why properties have lost value and are losing more
value and more importantly how we are finding opportunities that most people don't even see.
Because the reality is is this is exactly when real wealth is created and this is exactly what
I did in 2008 and 2009. So if I was to boil down the exact problem of what is happening right now.
First of all it's very very different from what happened in 2008. In 2008 a lot of people did not
have a lot of equity in their home when the market corrected. And so the single family markets what
happened was the prices of the homes went down below the loan. So 2008-9-10 that was more of a
single family correction. And what happened was a lot of normal people main street that had just
gotten into real estate ended up losing their homes and moving into the rental side of the
equation. What that did is it pushed more people from home ownership to the rental side of the
equation. Putting pressure of course on the supply of multifamily housing and rents and all of that.
So more people moving over to one asset class simply just put rents higher values higher etc.
And also during that time interest rates started to go low. So that's what pushed up the bubble.
Today what happened are in today's market it's very very different. And it started with people
not investing in the basics and the fundamentals of why you invest in the first place. So one of
the things that I always teach is always make sure whatever you're buying cash flows period.
So there's only a couple of things that you have to do for that. One you have to verify the income.
Two you have to make sure that the expenses are accurate as represented from the broker or from
the seller. And three you need to fix your debt. If you could do those three things you will cash
flow. If one or more of those things aren't accurate then you risk losing that property.
So what happened with everyone was kind of the single point of failure where
the interest rates started to go up as a result of the inflation that peaked in June of 2022.
It peaked at 9.1% and the Fed reacted by increasing rates. So essentially the easy
way to say it is that mortgage payments doubled in many situations. So when you go income,
expenses, mortgage payment, cash flow. When the mortgage payment doubles no cash flow.
So what happened was people started running out of cash flow and they were doing cash calls and
they were doing all this stuff. When you start running out of money then you stop spending on
things like TAPX and things like all your bills and your employees and all the things you know
it takes to maintain a property. Because you're basically trying not to lose a property.
Well they were hoping the rates would go down but they haven't gone down. So that's where we are.
And so these properties were already on the lender watch list. And how do you get on a lender watch
list? You get on a lender watch list when your debt service coverage is a 1.0 or less. And so
essentially what that means is your net operating income, which is your income minus your expenses,
is equal or less than the mortgage payment. That's what that means. So that is a red flag
for lenders. No lender on the planet wants 100% of the property's net income to pay the mortgage.
But in many many cases it doesn't even cover that. So we have is a situation where there's a lot of
distress. So distress comes in this particular case from not understanding how properties are
being managed. Not understanding how to hire or fire a management company. Not even really
understanding on what to do when you step onto a property. Because most of these people that
bought these assets were just capital raisers. And so now they're in the situation that they have
no clue what they're seeing, what to look at. Even though they would tell you they would,
they don't. And so these properties have slipped in occupancy and in many many cases are almost
completely vacant. Most of the real estate playbooks from 2023 and 2024 are breaking apart
right now. The debt structures that made sense back then are aging in a different rate environment.
Bridge loans are coming due. Refinances do not pencil. And there's no equity. I had a deal that
was sent to me just a few weeks ago. It was lender owned and went back to the bank. It was a 300 unit
property in Texas and that property only had 5% occupancy. And so we haven't seen deals like this
since 2008, 2009 during the GFC. Tarle Yarber and I are doing a free breakdown on many investments
on May 20th of exactly what we're seeing right now. If you'd like to sign up, just register on
the link below. So we just looked at a 278 unit property in Texas that was 5% occupied. If you
can think about that. 5% occupied. That's not good. That doesn't pay anybody any time. Obviously it's
just severely mismanaged and they don't have any money to turn units and who knows exactly
what happened there. But I've seen this before in 2008. In 2008 we had the exact same thing. So
what you have is you have really really bad operators and lenders that aren't doing their
job and checking assets and taking the asset back. And these things a lot and many times are sliding
basically to 100% vacancy. So the property that we looked at and already bid on we may or may
not get. The lender told us that there were two more. So there's three in that market that are
basically all in the same condition. So now that doesn't necessarily mean that you want to buy that
asset. It's just the state of the industry. Whenever you see an asset like that that is 100%
vacant that was worth this in this particular case it was worth 45 million dollars in 2022
because there was an appraisal and because it was renovated. So these are not bad assets in bad
locations. It just happens to be poorly managed and a really really bad ownership group that let
the whole property get away from itself. So that's what we're seeing right now in our investment
committee each week. So no surprise that there's a fair amount of people bidding on these and want
to buy these right. So if you've been in the game for a while this is the time. So it is competitive
right because who doesn't want to buy a 278 unit property for 8 to 10 million dollars when it was
worth let's say 45 million dollars just several years ago. So there's a lot of people bidding on
this. The real issue is how long will it be like that and how long does will it take to fix it
right. So if you buy it you step into the current situation. You have to repair it. There's no cash
flow. You have to figure out how to get it financed if you even can or you pay all cash.
There's all these things that happen that you have to be prepared for as you continue as you try to
buy these assets. In times like this a lot I've heard investors say buy when other people are
fearful. This is one of those times. Why would somebody be fearful? Many reasons. Who wants to
step onto a project that's 100% vacant that can't be financed right. It's completely outside of a
box right. A lot of people especially beginners or even people have been in the business for a
little while they're have they're not going to have any clue on how to fix a property like this.
So but this is specifically what you want to be looking for. You want to be looking for assets
that are broken that you can fix and that's where you create the value for the next person and for
yourself. So what most people get wrong in markets like this is they wait and they try to time the
bottom and I don't know how much further you can get from the bottom than 100% vacant. If that
if that isn't a red flag I think most of the time they're just excuses. You know things make more
sense when they're perfect right. Things make more sense when there's a tenant in them. When there's
income. When there's expenses. I get it. That completely the bank makes sense of that. It gets
financed. Equity makes sense of that. Investors can make sense of that. But that's not when you
really really make wealth. When you make wealth when investors can see massive opportunity but
only if you don't have the team that can fix that it'll never work. So what we're personally
focused on is just like we would be if the market was good. Which markets are growing from a
population and employment growth standpoint number one. Because the last thing you want to do is go
into a market and buy a broken asset. There's no people that want to be there. So the first thing
is you want to make sure that there are people moving to that area that want to actually be
there. So employment growth. Population growth. Great neighborhoods. Submarket. All that kind of stuff.
The second thing that you do is you need to verify all the current expenses and the rents and all
those things and get a feel for how supplied that market is. So if the market has a lot of
apartments to choose from then you might want to back away from that. But if it doesn't if it's a
really good location and it's just everything around it is pretty well occupied and you've got
this one outlier or two properties that are not in great shape due to typically debt or poor
management. Then you go buy those and you fix them and you just bring them up to whatever the market's
doing today. So that's traditionally what you do. So first you start with the market. Then you go to
the asset. Then you start to unwind and you do all the underwriting to see whether or not it's even
worth it. Then you make an offer. Then if you're lucky enough to get the best and final you have
to prove exactly how you're going to buy that. What you're going to do. What time frame on it.
Then you do the due diligence. Then you put that into a business plan and only then do you go out
to the investors after all that work's done. So if you're an accredited investor and you want access
to the exact deals that we're looking at. What we're buying today. How we are underwriting those
deals and what we see coming next. You can apply through the link below. You think about what the
big risks or the big variables would be if you're trying to buy something today and trying to fix
it. The first one would be how big is the capital work that's needed. In other words how much money
is it going to take to fix the property. That's the first thing and that's a really really difficult
thing to figure out. The second one is how long will it take to actually make a cash flow. And
here's how cash flow works. It's expenses plus debt. So if your expenses are $30,000 a month
and your debt is $30,000 a month. Then your breakeven on income is $60,000 a month. So you
start with your expenses and then you add on your mortgage payment. That's your breakeven. And so
then you back into how long will it take for you to generate $60,000 a month to breakeven. So what
you do is you work backwards and you figure out how much money that you need to escrow in what's
called a capital reserve account or an interest reserve account. You want to have that money on
high ground. So you're actually funding the property each and every month and for a certain
period of time. And in most cases that's going to be at least two years on a project like this. So
you're going to spend at least seven or eight million dollars to renovate this property in a
two-year period. And you're going to have at least a couple more million dollars of negative cash flow
that you have to fund during that two-year period. But the entire goal is if this property was fully
renovated and fully leased today what would it be worth. So if if and only if it was worth 45
million dollars let's say which is what it was worth in 2022. And we buy it for eight and we
spend another eight or ten we're into it so maybe no more than 20 million dollars. We should have
around a 20 million dollar profit just to fix the property and bring it back to what it was originally.
Now the risks of course could be that it won't get back to the 45 million dollars. Maybe it's 35
maybe it's 30. So those are all the things that you need to evaluate. Is it actually worth the risk
and all that work to just make let's say five or ten million dollars. And it might be but you get
the point. So you it's all math based it's all logic based. And if the numbers make sense then
you pull the trigger and you make an offer. So it's it's impossible to know exactly how long this
will unwind. I personally think it's going to be at least two years could be more. And the individual
opportunities are going to be entirely based on loan maturity and how a property is being run.
That's it. So when somebody runs out of money or when the lender says I'm going to force a sale
or when the general partner doesn't have any more cash from their limited partners and they can't
raise any more money. There's a series of things that all will happen in all different markets. So
it's not going to be based on the market. It's going to be based on the loan and the operator.
So if you go back and look at what we did in 2008, 9, 10, 11, and 12 this is exactly it. We were
buying when everybody else was afraid. They were fearful of what was going on. So think about who
was afraid. The people who just lost a lot of money including us. Ross and I actually lost some
money in the last cycle and so did some of our investors. However, the math is the math. Like
today if you can buy a hundred percent vacant property it makes sense. Like and you could fix
it and you have the team to do it. It makes sense. So when you look back at the stuff that we
originally bought in 2008, 9, and 10 let's say. Everybody said you look like a genius and of
course we were looking at risk right. Like these properties were not in great shape. We had to put
a lot of money into them. We had to hold them during a period of time and we had no idea as
you don't whether or not they would continue to go up. But one thing that we did know is that we
were buying them well below replacement costs and of course the money that we were putting in once
we fixed them we knew we had built-in equity. So before we bought anything we had what we call
forced value or forced equity. We knew we could buy something that was vacant, put tenants in it,
fix it, make it look better, have the neighborhood and everyone be happy with us and then of course
when the market was ready then we go back in and refinance and do cash out refinances. That's the
plan now is to find these assets that are broken, fix them, put new money into them, put new tenants
into them, make them shine in the neighborhoods and the markets that they are in. But running the
numbers to only to the point to where the market is today. That's a really important thing. You don't
project on what you think it could be. All you're trying to do is just bring these all you're trying
to do is fix these properties and bring them to what the market is today. That's it and if the
market improves great and if it doesn't improve it if it gets worse then you have to be prepared for
and you have to budget for that accordingly. So if you want to see one of the deals that we
just bought well below replacement costs you can click on the video here.