U.S. Counterterrorism Strategy: Sebastian Gorka Explains the Trump Administration's Approach

There is a connected tissue between Nazis, communists, and jihadis. They're all totalitarians. Sebastian Gorka, you're working in counterterrorism. How real and even current is this threat to an everyday American? The war against the jihadists isn't something happening 8,000 miles away in a desert. It's here. 110,000 Americans died of drug overdoses brought across the border by cartels. In one year, the cartels killed more Americans than 70 years of combat. If you plan to hurt Americans, we will find you and we will kill you. If America goes dark, the whole world goes dark. When you step out of your house in the morning, you are on the front line of this war. So here's the question. What are you doing about it? Sebastian Gorka, one of the most brave men in America, I think it's fair to say. Thank you for allowing us to come to your home. You're very welcome, Marisa. Flattery will get you everywhere, and it's delightful to have you here. Well, it's well deserved. And I would say that bravery is a deficit across the world, but sadly also in the West. So when we have brave men who are willing to stand up for our country, we must acknowledge it and be grateful for that. Well, that's too kind. Before we start, let me recognize a man who is probably the epitome of bravery. I am a cradle Catholic, but I call Dennis Prager my rabbi. What he has done with Prager U, I used to be my colleague at Salem Radio. Whenever I was at an event with him, I said, you, Dennis, with Prager U and Charlie Kirk with Turning Point, have done more than anybody else in the private sector to save Western civilization. So Dennis, we miss you sorely, and he is an exemplar. Yeah, well, thank you for mentioning this. And as you know, Dennis and I are so passionate about this country. If America goes dark, the whole world goes dark. And so we are fighting with every breath we have, and I know you're doing the same. And I look forward to hearing from you whether we're winning and what fronts we're winning. Obviously, terrorism is incredibly scary. I mean, we think about terrorism only in the movies, but you are actually living in it and thinking about it every day. And so we'll cover a lot of that. But I've known you for a long time. I'm not sure if my audience knows as much about you as Dennis and I do. And so I'd love to just talk a little bit about your background. I call you England's most wanted because we got to have you here as Americans. You were born in the UK. Your father had a fascinating background, which is my understanding why you're so passionate about fighting against communism. So tell us a little bit about your childhood and your father. Right. So the reason I'm doing what I'm doing today with regards to jihadi threats is because of the baggage I bring to the world from my family background. We've talked about bravery. We talked about, you know, courageous men. My father is that exemplar when his country was being taken over by communists. At the age of 20, he created a secret Christian students organization in college to resist the communist takeover with a handful of very brave young men. He resisted that regime in secret until the whole organization was betrayed by somebody called Kim Philby, one of the greatest traitors of Western civilization during the Cold War. King Philby, out of MI6 in the UK, managed to identify all the members of my father's organization, sent their names to Moscow. Moscow sent them to Budapest. My father was a Hungarian student. And at the age of 20, he was rousted out of his bed at 2 a.m. He was arrested, tortured, and given a life sentence. He spent two years in solitary, two years in a prison coal mine, and then two years later, in 1956, was liberated by the brave revolutionaries, the students and the workers of the 1956 revolution. With a 17-year-old daughter of a fellow political prisoner, they made it across the minefields into Austria, into a refugee camp, and then eventually were accepted to the UK, where a few years later, they were married, and those are my parents. I was born and raised the child of real refugees who had suffered under first fascism during World War II, and then under communism. So I bring that baggage, if you will, of understanding totalitarian ideologies. I got involved in military affairs in the UK, and then after 9-11, I started working for the Defense Department out of Germany. And I realized very soon that there is a connected tissue between Nazis, communists, and jihadis. The connected tissue is they're all totalitarians. They may have a different center of gravity. One worships the state and ethnic purity. One worships the workers' paradise and class warfare. And the last is the caliphate and the idea that if you're not a Muslim, you must subsume yourself and surrender to Islam and to the caliph or be killed. So that informs what I do today. And as the head of counterterrorism for the president, that's the prism I bring to my job. You know, as we sit here in the United States of America, many kids and parents don't have any sense of the dangers of communism. It feels to us truly like something of the past. Oh, the communists, the fascists, the Nazis. It feels like that threat is something that you would find in a history book or maybe a documentary, but not something that you would interact with today. You're working in counterterrorism. How real and even current is this threat of communism or fascism or totalitarianism to an everyday American? Well, look, it's alive and well. It's not just history books. You know, 100 miles off the coast of Florida, there's something called Cuba, which is a communist dictatorship. China is a massive communist dictatorship with multiple time zones. You've got North Korea. And then not only that, we've got, you know, the polling of young Americans who actually say if there was a choice between communism and democracy, we have double digits, 20, 30, 40 percent in some of these polls who say, yeah, I'll choose socialism when they don't understand socialism is the last, it's the penultimate station on the way to communism. And communism is an ideology. If we think the Third Reich was bad and 60 million people dying in World War II, well, look at Pol Pot. Look at Mao. Look at the death toll of Karl Marx's ideology in the span of the last 20th century. There's a seminal work, The Black Book of Communism. It's a tome which was written by left-wing French historians who decided, well, let's finally have a reckoning. Let's have a spreadsheet of how many people suffered under communism. And as they did the research, they realized that their side had killed more than any other ideology. They went through everything. The Baltic States, Poland, the Czechoslovakia, Hungary, then Vietnam, then North Korea, the Soviet Union. The tally for the last century is 110 million souls killed in the name of, what, utopia? So this is the history they're trying to distort, wash away, the Bernie Sanders of the world saying, oh, no, socialism is equity. Well, ask the 100 million souls who can't speak anymore, who died in the gulags, in the forced marches. That's the tally of this ideology, more dangerous than any other man-made ideology. How do you explain then that in our history classes across America, on social media, which I'll remind you that our kids are viewing social media between seven to nine hours a day in America. How do you explain that the narrative is that the capitalists are the bad guys and the socialists are the good guys? How do you explain the narrative that America has an immoral army while other countries allegedly have been robbed of their opportunities because we have this capitalist model? How do you explain this narrative that America is immoral, given what you describe? Because they have to say this. So let's be clear. I've studied and taught irregular warfare for three decades now. Let's be sure we separate the leaders from the followers. It is in the interests of the leaders, the union heads, the teacher college directors, the left-wing politicians, the people who run the big left-wing NGOs to propagate this lie. Why? Power, power, power. If you're a conservative, what do you believe? You believe that we are made in God's image. Our founding fathers used the word creator with a capital C in our founding document for this nation. We believe what? Governments should be as small as possible. The founding fathers said Washington, apart from interstate commerce and war, Washington should be irrelevant. Because as the saying goes, the larger the government, the smaller the citizen. For left-wing ideologues and for leaders, they need power. And if they can tell the world, you know what? The way America runs things, individuality, liberty, that's unjust. That's just another form of white supremacy, of oppression of dark-skinned individuals or lack of equity. Then what do they accrue to themselves? Power. Because remember, what does the left actually teach? Man is moldable, homo sovieticus. We will turn you into some perfect being. There will be no private property. The vanguard, the elite will decide everything. Well, they have to preach what they preach, because otherwise they don't get to be the vanguard. Can we speak a little bit about what has happened in the UK, your country where you were born? Because when you're describing this unbelievable power grab, my mind right now thinks about what's happening in England. Yeah. So I was born there. I spent the first 23 years of my life in the UK. I served in the British Territorial Army in the reserves. I go back there from time to time for business, for government meetings, and it saddens my soul. I do not recognize the country in which I was born. Margaret Thatcher, let alone Winston Churchill, are clearly spinning in their graves. There's this viral, viral video right now of this World War II veteran in his 90s saying, what did my friends die for in World War II? I mean, it's heart-wrenching. Did we do this for nothing? Because it seems like it's not worth it. People who are being arrested for Facebook posts, I don't want to go into details, but I have a family member, a 15-year-old boy, who was interrogated by the police without his parents in the UK. Because what was his sin? What was his crime? He came to America on vacation with me. And of course, this is the land of the Second Amendment. And I said, let's go shooting on my private property. And he posted a photograph of he, himself, with my 15-year-old son and me holding rifles. The fact that he posted a photograph of him on vacation in America ended up with him being interrogated by the police in the UK. How does that go down with Magna Carta? How does that go down with the brave Tommies of World War II? So, you know, political correctness is undermining, as the President, President Trump, as Secretary Rubio, as the Vice President, J.D. Vance have said, we have a real issue in Europe. We want to work with them. We want them to prosper and be safe. But there's a lack of civilizational confidence. I mean, read, listen, see Secretary Rubio's speech in Munich from a few months ago. It's very clear. We don't hate Europe. We don't have problems with Europe. Our values come from Europe. Western civilization is fundamentally built upon Roman, Greek, and Judeo-Christian values. But where's your confidence in yourself? Unfettered immigration? Allowing the rape gangs of Rotherham for decades to perversely exploit young girls and not to be challenged because it would be racist for a police officer to ask about industrialized rape of young girls? That may be OK in, you know, Western Sahara, but not in Europe. It's shocking. And I have to ask the question, have they changed or have we changed? Where did the misalignment come from? We didn't change. I mean, look, I want to stay a little bit in my lane, if I may, when, you know, my lane is national security and counterterrorism. But it has to do with the quality of political leadership. You talked about courage. If you look at the great leaders of yore, if you look at the Churchills, the Thatchers, the De Gaulles, the Reagans, how did they govern? They governed based upon eternal principles. And sometimes they said, you know, I've got to do something for the Republic or the Kingdom or what have you. It's going to be unpopular. Go do something that's tough. But starting with the Bill Clinton era, and it really goes back to Clinton and Blair, there's this new tendency that we govern based upon, oh, what's the latest polling data from Gallup? You wake up on Monday morning. What do the people want? Oh, I'll give them that. It's like the bread and circus of the Roman Empire. Who likes me on Twitter right now? The popularity stakes. That's not statecraft. That's not being a statesman or stateswoman. That's pandering. That's lack of fortitude. That's how you get where we are today in the case of many countries. The first question I asked you when I saw you today was, how are we doing? And I don't even ask for the details because I know I'm not supposed to know everything. But I think it's totally silly that some Americans sit out there on their couch and think that you all here at the White House need to tell us everything that is going on, every step of the strategy, what's going to go next. I mean, I think that those who are listening, I hope that you're realizing how silly that is, right? We don't want you to give out all the cards. We just want you to do well and to win for us. But we do want to know, are we winning? How are we doing? You talk about terrorism. That is pretty scary. Are we doing OK? Yeah. Forget about your viewers. They're great. I mean, but I've seen this like a thousand times when the journalists are in the Oval and they're literally screaming because they're jackals, they're hyenas. I don't know how the president puts up with it. And they're screaming, so what are you doing today in Iran? And I'm like, and the president last week said, so you expect me to tell you what my plan is? Are you a moron? I mean, they have like double digit IQs. They literally ask, what are you going to do with Iran today? Anyway. It's like, how dare you not give away all of your cards? Yeah, nuclear launch codes, everything else. I mean, just show insanity. OK, so first things first, and I'm not trying to be flip or cute. The biggest problem we have in this administration is keeping up with the president. Because nobody can. Nobody can keep up. I mean, we live in my, so in the National Security Council, we live what is called skiff life. Because what the work we do is all classified. We have to sit in a secure compartmented information facility because that's where we have our classified work. And as a result, we have to leave our cell phones outside. And every couple of hours, we'll come out just to take a break and check our phones. And then we'll go, oh, my Lord, what did he do now? Peace deal number eight. We can't keep up with this, man. I mean, it's just stunning. A great genius kid who worked in the press team for a while said to me, you know what we need to do? We all need to shut down. We need to stop working for three days in the administration and just tell the world what the president's doing. Because we don't have time. We're just doing it. We don't have time to stop and tell all the incredible unclassified things we're doing. Let me tell you a little story. So tell us some. Yeah, well, look, let me give you the high points that are declassified. On day eight of the administration, we walked into the Oval Office with a national security advisor and a colleague from my team. And we put some intelligence on the president's desk about a senior ISIS leader who was roaming freely around a certain part of Africa. And we said to the president, this man has killed Americans, is planning to kill Americans. And we've been watching him for a year and a half under the Biden administration. The president looked up from the resident desk. He looked at us and said, what do you mean? We're watching him kill him. And as a result, he took out his iconic Sharpie pen. He ticked the go box on the operational orders we had in front of him. Less than 30 hours later, I'm in the Situation Room under the West Wing with the national security advisor, with my colleague from my counterterrorism team. And we watched like clockwork at exactly 8.45 in the morning on Saturday, this ISIS leader being permanently removed from the battlefield. The president, we then declassified the video of that strike. He posted it on Truth Social. It went 120 million likes in like eight hours. And at the end, it's actually the first thing he says in our new counterterrorism strategy. He says, if you plan to hurt Americans, we will find you and we will kill you. Now, that's day 11 of the administration. We are now 15 months in, and I can report to you outside of Operation Epic Fury. So irrespective of what we're doing in Iran and elsewhere, our peerless warfighters have killed 1,031 jihadis across the globe. Not only have we killed over 1,000 jihadis, because of President Trump, 106 American hostages are home and free with their families without one red cent of ransom being paid. No president has killed 1,000 jihadis and rescued over 100 Americans in barely just the first year of an administration. That's what I mean by how fast he's moving. Are we winning? Absolutely. Because we're not watching and waiting. We are dealing death to bad people, and we are undermining the number one sponsor of terrorism in the world today, which is Iran. If you read the president's counterterrorism strategy, and everybody should. He signed it a month ago. It's unclassified. It's up on the White House website. You will see what we're doing in three large buckets, whether it's the cartels under the superb leadership of Stephen Miller, the Homeland Security Advisor, or the global jihadists under my leadership at the National Security Council, or thirdly, the left-wing terrorists like Antifa. We will not let these people hurt Americans. It's really that simple. Peace through strength. Sam, how do you respond to the criticism that this concept that there is Islamic terrorism, jihadism coming after Americans is made up? It's made up. You hear it all over the internet, all over saying, oh, it's an exaggeration. Oh, yes. There's this great, what did I see yesterday? There's three minutes of Tucker saying, I don't know what that is. And there was one of them where he says, Islamic jihad, I don't know what that is. Well, I suggest in the 25th anniversary year of 9-11, somebody like Tucker Carlson should ask the families of those who died on September the 11th, or Daniel Pearl's family who had to see a video of their loved one being manually beheaded by a member of ISIS. Or whether it's the relatives of those who were mown down during the New Year celebrations on Bourbon Street in New Orleans just over a year ago. Or the Christians in Nigeria. I mean, let me just, again, I can talk about this because it has been declassified. The president is not nation-building. He's not going around the world like some lunatic neocon saying, we will turn the world into America. But if you're threatening Americans, or if you're targeting Christians because they're Christians, he has a very strong message to send to you, whether it was his Christmas Day strike or three weeks ago, what we did in Nigeria. Again, let me just, you want to know whether we're winning? Three weeks ago in Nigeria, and I watched it live from the Situation Room. It was like being in a Tom Clancy movie, but it's better because it's real. I watched our operators kill 199 jihadis in one operation. Now, why is this important? That is the biggest neutralization enemy killed in action since September the 11th. 199 jihadists who will not harm Americans again. Not only that, from that raid we brought home, we needed an extra plane to bring home all the electronic material that we captured in those camps. And the hole was three times bigger than any enemy electronics hole since 9-11. And that is priceless because now our experts are taking apart all of that information, looking how ISIS is communicating with each other. So we are so back in the game of counterterrorism, it is just superlative to watch our professionals. Let me just for a second say full respect and salute our tier one operators, our tier two operators, the B-2 bombers flying over Iran doing that incredible mission, but also the people who make it possible. Not just the logistics support and everything else, but the intelligence analysts. On day 43 of the administration, I was on the tarmac in Dallas at 3 a.m. with Pam Bondi, Kash Patel, John Ratcliffe, and Tulsi Gabbard. Why were we standing there at 3 a.m. in the morning? Because Jafar, one of the key individuals responsible for the Abbey Gate bombing and murder of 13 of our servicemen and women, was on a DOJ plane in handcuffs landing at Dallas at 3 a.m. And one of these highlights of your life, at least your professional career, I'm standing on the tarmac with these cabinet members and the jets landing, and I turn around and I see there's this gaggle of people behind me. And they're not wearing FBI vests. They're not in raid jackets. And I go, you briefed me last week in the war. Oh my gosh. And it was a whole group of intelligence community analysts, not trigger pullers, not door kickers, but who tracked Jafar for almost three years. And they wanted to be there. And look in that man's face when he realized he was going to see justice because of one man, Donald Trump, the new president. You mentioned Nigeria, which I think Nigeria is important, not only because of what is done to the Christians over there, which is horrific, Ethiopia as well. Nigeria is very interesting because it's a very fast-growing country, fast-growing population. They're unbelievable when it comes now to technology. It's definitely worth paying attention to, which probably is no surprise why you would find Islamic terrorism over there, because there seems to be a pull and a tug between the West and the Islamists who are using Islam as a political movement to come after us. Can you explain that from your view? I'm explaining it as a civilian in what I am seeing, but it's not that we have an issue with Muslims in general, but we are seeing this Islamic political movement that is coming after us through terrorism, whether they're coming after us in places like Nigeria, but ultimately is their goal to make it over here to the United States. Right. So this is really important. And thank you for raising the issue of Islamism or political Islam, because again, one of the completely tectonic historic things the president has done, which so few people understand, of course, the mainstream media will never discuss, is his designation of the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization. I want to call out, I'm not going to mention her name, but one of my team members drafted that executive order for the president and to be in the oval when he signed something that should have happened 10, 20, 30, 40 years ago. But no American president had the intestinal fortitude to do that. And he does it because why? The Muslim Brotherhood, the Ikhwan Muslimin, founded in 1928, is the progenitor. It's the grandfather of all modern jihadi organizations, whether it's ISIS, whether it's Al-Qaeda, whether it's Hamas, even Shia organizations harken back to that concept of everyone must be a Muslim, there must be a caliphate, or you must be, you know, a slave to that entity, or you must be killed. So in Africa, and we could talk about this for hours, but why is Africa important? I'm a Catholic. I think the future of Christendom is going to come out of Africa. I mean, some of the amazing church leaders on the African continent who understand what real Christianity is without compromise, who understand that you can't be nice to everyone and still believe in what Jesus said. Africa is important. So, of course, it's going to be a target for the Islamists. However, here's the good news. Why is ISIS hanging around in the Lake Chad Basin? Why are they in the Sahel? Well, let's roll back the clock nine years. When we came into the White House the first time, because I served in the first administration as well, we'd been told by the outgoing President Obama, you know that thing, ISIS? And this is a direct quote. He said, it's a, quote, generational threat we're just going to have to live with. Like, no. So President Trump wins the election, says, no, we're not going to just, for generations, put up with this. And he unleashed the might of the U.S. military and said, we are going to destroy the ISIS caliphate in Iraq and Syria, which we'd been told is impossible. Within a matter of months, it was gone. It was crushed. Syria is now an independent state. Iraq is an independent state. Okay, so what happened in the last four years under Biden? Where did the stragglers, where did the survivors go? Terrorists need ungoverned space. They need somewhere where they can hang out and rebuild. Well, Africa has a lot of ungoverned space. So that's why I focus a lot of my attention on that region of the world where ISIS is trying to reconstitute a caliphate. Here's the good news. Our operation in Nigeria, absolutely stunning. We are re-, this is, again, something I talk for hours, after four years of Biden and his administration and Blinken and Jake Sullivan ramming their neo-colonial, you will have a pride flag hanging outside of our embassy, after ramming their left-wing lunacy on local African states, we've been working diligently. I sent a team of mine out to Africa, to some key states and said, look, we're not here to tell you what to believe in. You elect your own governments. But if you've got a terrorist threat that is a threat to us, let's work together. So we are rebuilding all of those relationships that the Biden administration just ran rampant over because they have a jihadi threat, which is also a threat to us. And here's the last good piece of news as well. They are jihadists. And yes, whilst there is ungoverned space and conflict in Africa, in many places, what these groups like ISIS and IQ are doing is they're trying to impose this Islamist matrix on pre-existing conflicts that are not really about Islam. They're tribal, they're resource-based, they're water, they're whatever. So it's like a square peg in a round hole. And we're exploiting that differential to say, you know what, work with us to get rid of these people. I can't help being a typical mom. And so the first thing that I think about is my children here in the United States. Do you think that radical Islam is a threat here to Americans? I know that the borders have been porous. We've had mass immigration into the United States over the last four something years until you all took care of that situation. Are they here in the United States? Are you dealing with counterterrorism against Islamic jihadists in our country? We are, with multiple disruptions. We just disrupted four different jihadi plots in four different cities the day we're recording this. Let's be clear. We had open borders for four years, open borders at the choice of the government, not because we had a civil war and things broke down at the White House's choice. So literally, we had between 10 and 20 million illegals come into this country. Here's the good news. With Stephen Miller as Homeland Security Advisor, with Secretary Mullen at DHS, with Tom Homan as the borders are, you have got the A-team. And what they're doing in terms of neutralizing the threat from cartels is you don't want there is no better team than the team we have. With regards to the jihadi threat, Kash Patel, absolutely the right man for the job. We're sad to see Dan Bongino, my buddy, back in his radio role, but he did some amazing things for the year he was here. But we are seeing threats and we are neutralizing them. But to your broader point, look, before I came back into government service, I said this repeatedly. It's the basis of my first book, Defeating Jihad. You have to understand that the war against the jihadists isn't something happening 8,000 miles away in a desert. It's here. When you step out of your house in the morning, you are on the front line of this war. You need to take responsibility. If you have the fortitude and if you have the legal possibility in the state you live in, do what I do. I'm licensed to carry a gun in DC, in Maryland, in Virginia, and other states. I do that because, you know, why do I carry a gun? It's a joke, but it's a good joke because carrying a cop is too heavy, okay? That's why. Take responsibility. Have a little bit of tactical awareness of where you're going, of what's going on around you. You are. I mean, look, if you're an American, you believe in what? Rugged individualism. You don't believe in waiting until Uncle Sam is going to save you. So educate yourself. Educate your children. Make them think smartly about how they behave in public because you are on the front line. But the good news is we are here to back you up. One of the things we wrote into the president's new counterterrorism strategy is also the depoliticization of counterterrorism. We are not going to permit, I will die on this hill, I'm not going to allow the awesome counterterrorism powers of the US government to be used for political purposes. Putting Tulsi Gabbard on a terrorist no-fly list because she's a Democrat who dared to support President Trump, or having armed officers of the FBI raid Mar-a-Lago because Joe Biden or his attorney general said so. We're not going to let you target Catholics in Richmond, Virginia because they go to Latin Mass, or parents at school board meetings because they don't want their kids to wear masks in school. So we're taking politics out of counterterrorism. And what we are focusing on is real threats, cartels under Stephen Miller, jihadists under our directorate, and then the Antifa left-wing threat. Because sadly, CSIS, the Center for Security and International Studies, it's not a MAGA outfit, okay? That is a Democrat think tank. And they literally just published an extensive report saying the empirical facts are pretty clear. We may have some right-wing terrorists in America, but left-wing terrorism is the ascendant form of violence. How many left-wing terrorists have tried to kill my boss, President Trump? Look at Steve Scalise, almost killed, shot in the hip by a Bernie Sanders campaign volunteer at a baseball game not far from where we're sitting. Or our friend, my friend, Charlie Kirk, killed live on camera by somebody who likewise was a left-wing terrorist. If we were back in the 1990s and I was the terrorism chief for the president back then, yeah, I'd be concentrating on militias. I'd be looking at right-wing potential terrorists. But we're not in the 1990s. It's 2026. And I have to look at the real threat. The real threat is jihadis, cartels, and left-wing violence. Well, let's talk about left-wing violence, because if you put Antifa in the same category as a terrorist, and Antifa labels itself as a left-wing advocacy group, are they going to accuse you of targeting the other side? And are they going to turn around if they're once in office and go after right-wing groups and call all of us right-wingers terrorists as well? How do you justify that? How do you qualify what it actually means to be a terrorist? And how do you actually go after them? What is the consequence from murdering people based on political views, as you said, Charlie Kirk, in the attempt on our president multiple times? Look, I can't predict what the Democrat administration will do in the future. I would like them to be bound by one metric. I'd like them not to normalize violence for the purposes of politics. I mean, that's really the definition of terrorism. You know, that hoary old phrase that one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist? That's a lie, okay? A freedom fighter is not allowed to murder children, okay? Once you cross that line, once you kill somebody because he's having a debate on a campus, you're not a freedom fighter. Charlie Kirk wasn't oppressing someone. So the line is very simple. Terrorism, I'll tell you now the definition is, is the use of force or the threat of force for political or religious or ideological purposes, okay? There's one party in this nation which has normalized violence. Don't listen to Sebastian Gorka. Listen to Maxine Waters. Listen to Eric Holder. Listen to Biden himself. What have they said in the last decade? Maxine Waters stood with a microphone on the sidewalk in D.C. eight years ago and said, if you see a member of the Trump cabinet in public, surround them and harass them. That's a serving member of Congress. Eric Holder, Obama's AG, said what? When they go low, we kick them. We kick them. And then Biden at a presidential podium says what? I'd like to take that Trump behind them and I'd like to beat his face in. Sorry, what? That is the normalization of violence. And if you call somebody a white supremacist or a Nazi or a fascist for 10 years, what do you think is going to happen? Somebody's going to say, well, if he, wow, if he's a white supremacist, well, then I better stop him. That's what one side of the aisle has normalized. As an American, as somebody who chose to be an American, I have this crazy idea. I'd like none of our political parties to normalize violence. Well, the perfect example is they keep accusing the right of being violent, but they have no nothing to show for it. So they have to make stuff up. Like now you're hearing the indictments against the SPLC. You're funding the KKK. You have NGOs that have to make up stories of right wing extremists that are violent and walking around with tiki torches because they don't actually have any examples. So they have to make them up. There's a legal phrase for that. It's called racketeering, right? It would be a shame if your window was broken in your lovely store, wouldn't it? Right? So you're actually generating the threat yourself. So you can come along and say, hey, I solved that threat for you. It's a crime. The issue for us was that not only did they dox us and give a general location for where the Prager U building is, but they also networked with organizations that have to do with education. And so the moment SPLC puts Prager U on a hate watch list, good luck getting into schools. So I am so glad that the SPLC now is being exposed. They are the hate group. Totally. The SPLC is the hate group in America. Look, we know this. The attack on the Family Research Council, the individual who went in there with this mental case. He took Chick-fil-A sandwiches and a handgun. By the way, we have to admit that they're not just a mental case. This is evil. Yes, you're right. You know, people have empathy for people who have mental issues, and as do I. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. If you are using a gun, then to hurt somebody for political or ideological purposes, you're a terrorist. So you're absolutely right. Look, we know what the SPLC is. Look, it's a hate group that has been found to be doing racketeering. The really important thing about all of these entities, and I'm not going to steal anybody's thunder because Scott Besson's team is amazing, what Cash is doing, what Todd Blanch at DOJ is doing. Let me just say this. There are interested parties outside of America who are facilitating entities like this. You look at the marches on Harvard Square, at Columbia, on the streets of Manhattan, from the river to the sea, and you notice something very weird. All of their placards are the same. They're not made at home with a Sharpie. Who's printing? Who's paying for all of that? Who is coordinating all of it? Who's coordinating all of that? Stay tuned for developments on that angle with regards to those who have interests, who are outside of the United States, and have interests to undermine the U.S. Constitutional Order, the Red-Green Alliance, and all those who are related. Stay on this channel. Seb, I want to thank you also for fighting against anti-Semitism. I don't take that for granted. We don't take it lightly. The Jews are oftentimes the first in the line of the defense. Listen to the jihadists. What do the jihadists say? First, we come for the Saturday people. Then we come for the Sunday people. Anti-Semitism is the touch paper. It is the indicator. It's the first sign that the counter-Western ideology is in ascendance. Andrew Klavan has done an amazing commentary on all of this. Why do they hate the Jews? Because what do the Jews bring us through Jesus Christ? They bring us Christianity. If you look at the foundations of Judaism, it's the idea that we don't have a capricious bunch of gods hanging around on Mount Olympus. It's good versus evil. The idea that God is good comes from Judaism. You've got to destroy that if you're a secular, anti-American, violent individual, or a jihadist. The fight against anti-Semitism, and we've got some amazing people, Rabbi Kaplun at the State Department, who's our envoy for countering anti-Semitism. If we deal with that, all of us will be safer. Christians, Jews, everyone who wants to be an American, irrespective of what you believe in. If we deal with anti-Semitism, you too will be safer. Absolutely. You don't see the communists defending the Jews. You certainly don't see the Islamists defending the Jews. And so when people talk about multi-polarity, you ask yourself, which is the great superpower that is not only courageous, that is not only willing to sacrifice? Because the communists and the Islamists are courageous, and they're willing to sacrifice. America has something unique. We are moral. We are a moral, godly people. That is why we are willing to sacrifice for morality. It's not just America only. It's morality above everything else. That is why there can't be multi-polarity around the world, because there will be no morality around the world. There'll be no sacrifice for morality around the world. They all know it. We need to know it too as Americans. Our founding fathers were so wise. They said you can't have a state religion, but they knew America doesn't work unless your value system is Christian. You don't have to be a Christian, but unless your value system is Christian, it doesn't work. There has to be a North Star. And the fact that we are the only nation that has the word creator in our founding document. Why? We don't have rights unless we understand they come from the fact we're made in the image of our creator. That is why America is different. And let me just quote an orthodox friend of mine. You know who you are, Jeff. The greatest nation made by God, Israel. Greatest nation made by man, America. That's our connection. You mentioned the cartels. Yes. Okay. So we have been very worried about Fentanyl. There were big scares even around Halloween, I remember when our kids were walking out and we didn't know. So how are you handling this issue of, I know that you've designated the cartels as a terrorist organization. I don't know why this didn't happen sooner. I assume it's because they have incredible political power and they're not just these tiny little street corner cartels. But how effective has it been since you've actually designated them as terrorists? Are we seeing a decline in the threat of Fentanyl? Are we seeing a decline in the threats of the cartels in general? And I would imagine that it's associated also with the borders being more secure. So we have you on one side and Tom Holman on the other side securing the borders and then pushing back against the cartels and hopefully scaring them. Yeah. So I recommend everybody follow Director Cash's FBI Twitter page because he gives the stats, every day the stats, the rampant decrease in Fentanyl overdoses, the fact that we've sealed the border, the constant arrests. Pete Hexeth, the Secretary of War, the drug boat strikes. Let me just give you another empirical statement. Before I came back into government service, I had my national TV show on Newsmax and I dedicated a whole episode to the question of the cartels because I'm an OG kind of terrorism guy. I deal with jihadi threats and I was trying to wrap my head around, hang on, cartels. I know Stephen Miller, he's thinking about this and he wants to have the president... Let's think about this. And I sat down and I did the math and here's the shocking math that every American should internalize. I added up every killed in action American since the end of World War II. So every soldier, marine, airman, Coast Guard, sailor who died after World War II in combat. So that's Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Gulf I, Gulf II, and Afghanistan. In 70 years, that number was 103,000. 70 years, okay. Then I decided to find out how many people are dying because Biden's opened our borders as a result of the drugs the cartels are flooding in. And I found the data. It took me a long while. I had to go to the CDC website under Biden and went down a rabbit warren like 48 clicks later. And I found the data. Year two of Biden's open border policies, 110,000 Americans died of drug overdoses from things like fentanyl brought across the border by cartels. So in one year, the cartels killed more Americans than 70 years of combat. That's why we designated them as terrorists. We didn't start the war. They started the war. And President Trump, Stephen Miller, Secretary Mullen, Tom Homan, they're going to finish it along with Pete Hexeth. One of the other things I mentioned to you as you were walking in here was that I don't understand how people like us who know what the world looks like and we know how incredible this country is, right? I was born here. You chose to come here. My parents chose to come here. Why would you choose any country around the world over the United States of America? Why would you choose to have open borders and allow the entire third world to pour into here unchecked? Why would you allow cartels to come here and bring fentanyl? You're raising your kids here in this country. Why would why would they allow? Why would they allow for this? I mean, maybe you can. Maybe it's a psychological thing. I don't understand. I think it's a combination of two things. You know, having been a teacher for 30 years, I think a large part of it is indoctrination, right? If you can indoctrinate the youth, both Lenin and Hitler said, give me a child for four years and I will own that child for life, right? If you can mold a mind to your own ideology, then you will get. 25% of young Americans don't know what Auschwitz is. That's not an accident. That's a function of educators not doing their job. Well, some are believing that the Holocaust never happened. That we never landed on the moon. Don't get me started. And the second thing is beyond the actual direct indoctrination. And again, I'll be very quick here because I'm a PhD in political science. I'm not a psychiatrist, but I do think it's psychological. If you hate yourself, you can't deal with that. So you have to project. So who do you project upon? Your nation. I'm not bad. America's bad. And it's this projection from the self to the outside. It's a way to deal with whatever guilt they have and saying, well, you know, America, neocolonialist, the white oppression of colored people is genetically coded into America. Well, let me ask you a very simple question. Who do you want to influence the world? You've got three choices. Russia run by KGB colonel, the biggest communist dictatorship in the world, China with the labor camps or America. I don't think that's a complicated question. So for those who say, oh, my gosh, they've got shopping carts in Russia or China is the streets are clean in China. Yeah, they're clean because when you have an election, there's one party on the ballot. You can go and live there, but I'm not sure you're going being in the freest, greatest nation the world has ever created. So I think a lot of it, sadly, is psychiatric. And then you're hearing the other argument about multi polarity, right? That America should actually retreat from the world stage and allow the communists and the Russians, which you can call them whatever you want to call them to come up onto stage and share it with us, because... Because they're good at sharing. Because they love sharing, the communists, they love sharing. Multi polarity, the whole Dugan, you know, the Putin, the Whisperer and everything else. Multi polarity, let me be very clear, is a smokescreen for other nations to run the world. That's it. Multi polarity means one thing. America, America is subjected. That's all multi polarity means. It's a cover. Yeah. What else keeps you up at night? Not much, because I have a rock star team of directors in the White House. It's incredible, not only to work for the most consequential president of the modern age, but for, you know, the secretary, who is also the national security advisor, Marco Rubio. So when you've got... You know, it's really nice having a Serbian first administration. This one. How so? How is Trump 2 different from Trump 1? And is he different? He changed a little bit, I think, after Butler, but I'm not going to speak to that. You can ask him. We'll have to get you in the Oval and you can ask him. But no, he is, as I said, my father was my role model for courage, but President Trump gives my father a run for his money. You know, I've worn a uniform. I was a weekend warrior. I played at it. But I know, even despite having served there's no way that I get shot in the head, look at my hand and wouldn't scream, I've been shot or freeze solid. Instead, what does he do? He takes control of the situation, pushes aside his Secret Service detail, lifts his fist to reassure the world, fight, fight, fight. That's genetic. You don't learn that. That is an example of courage. As long as that man's behind the resident desk, we are doing very, very well. What keeps me concerned is, you know what keeps me concerned? The average American not understanding what America is and thinking they don't have a role to play. The idea that you're not responsible for the survival of this country blows my mind, not just as an immigrant to this country, but, you know, I've been to Afghanistan. I've been to Africa. I've been to places where my wife and I, we often say, you know, good Lord, are we blessed. Even in the hardest of times. Are we blessed to be Americans in America? Just that alone. No matter what's going on in your family, your health, your work, to be Americans in America and that the average American not sure they get that. That it could be lost. So here's the question. What are you doing about it? I mean, President Trump never gives up. I mean, think of it. They tried to put him into prison for 700 years. They tried to kill him multiple times. Did he ever give up? No, he is indefatigable. In the first administration, when he was tweeting at 4am, people, because they know I'm a social media addict, they'd say, Seb, you're the guy tweeting for him, right? And I said, no, I eat to sleep. That's him. I mean, think one last story, if I may. So we had an amazing Friday back in September. Another of my team members had written a very important executive order on hostages because hostages fall under my portfolio. And it was the big day to have the president sign the EO. And we were invited to the Oval to see him sign this EO. And he decided the press should witness this as well. So he lets the jackals into the Oval. And then I'm standing next to him with our envoy for hostages and my team member who wrote the EO. And as he's signing it with the cameras live streaming it, he turns to us and says to my colleague and me, tell the world this is such an amazing executive order. And my colleague's going, yes, sir. And she does an amazing job. Big day. And then, wow, what a Friday. 90 minutes later, we're back in the Oval with my colleague to provide him a classified briefing on a very important issue. And we thought, oh, that's double whammy. We walked back into our skiff to the rest of the team. We said, yeah, EO written by our team signed by the president. Press conference in front of the world. 90 minutes later, classified briefing for the president. Not too bad for a Friday. Finally get home, crawl into bed with Katie. It's 10.30 at night. Katie turns on the news. And the president is giving a speech hosting a party in the Rose Garden. And we just looked at each other and we just how- The endurance. You don't want to be on a plane with him. When he flies transatlantic or whatever, he doesn't sleep. You know, eight hours into the flight, he'll walk through the plane and you better not be sleeping because he's going to chat with you because he wants to talk to you. It's genetic. It's incredible. Yeah, it probably is. I asked Dennis Prager, you know, people get upset about President Trump's tweets all the time. And I said, Dennis, do you think the ex-posts are a liability for President Trump? Or is it a good thing? Because we get to know we get to know him, right? He's not a teleprompter politician, which is exactly what people wanted. And so Dennis Prager says, well, maybe he should run his tweets by Melania Trump. I was like, speaking of great- A wise man. Exactly. So I'd love to just chat with you a little bit about Katie Gorka, because I love her. And I don't know how you found this incredible woman, but I love it when there are these power couples who do good. So how did you meet Katie? That's quite a story. I was working. So as I said, I grew up, I was a child of Hungarian refugees when communism fell. And I spoke Hungarian and I was working in national security. And I was offered a job in the Hungarian Ministry of Defense and the first freely elected conservative government. So I moved to Hungary. And soon, very soon, there was a conference, an American-run conference in the country next door in Romania. And I was one of the Hungarian delegates. And there's this beautiful lady from New York who's one of the American delegates. It's a massive conference of young professionals. We were at this very socialist, you know, massive U-shaped table of 75 people. And she has a little jet lag on the first day. And she goes, she's going to get really angry if I tell this story. She slept in and she missed the first day of the conference. I love her so much. And she walks into this completely Ceausescu-esque post-communist meeting room. There's one chair left. And it's next to me. And she sits down and I slid my coffee over to her and I sealed the deal. And that was it. She didn't know I didn't, she didn't know I didn't like coffee, but, you know, she thought that was, you know, it was love at first sight. I love it. I love also hearing about courageous men who know how to pick up on a woman. We need more young men to know how to do that. I think it will solve so many of our problems. Get off your phones and stop. Please. I just have one request to the world. As head of counterterrorism, I know this is weird. Stop using dating apps. When I see beautiful, you know, people of my children's age and I find out they're using dating apps, it blows my mind. Talk to people. You see a pretty woman, you see a handsome guy, go up and talk to them. Please. And by the way, as a woman, I would say it's OK to give a woman a compliment. Yes. You don't know what to say. Just say something nice and not weird about something they're wearing. But you know what? Women like that. Yes, women do like getting compliments. Don't listen to what you're like. I don't stretch sharp horror. Yes. They do like it. I've been told. Yeah. It's one of the main reasons why I think before you go to college, you need to travel the world because you take a year off. You know what socialism is. You know what communism is. You know how amazing the United States of America is. It will undo the damage of what you learned in the education system. How is it that immigrants love America more than Americans do? It is not normal. It must be the reason of this psyoping that we're seeing within our schools and on social media. So the best thing you can do for your kids before they go to college is have them travel the world, have them ask a woman out if they're a boy or a man and teach them what the alternative is. The alternative to the United States being strong and in a leadership place is a world going dark. Truly. Correct. OK, so, you know, the team at PragerU wants to know which cigar you're smoking right now. Oh, OK. So my favorite cigar, which I will never buy until Cuba falls, is the Monty No. 2, best cigar in the world. And then my go-to, because I, you know, I just love the Oliva. The Milano Oliva is a superb cigar. But beyond that, I need to say just one thing on the record. One of my greatest achievements in life is not drafting the president's counterterrorism strategy. That's one of them. But convincing Dennis Prager that the straight guillotine cut is the way to smoke a cigar and not the V-cut. When we met many moons ago, he said, it's got to be the V-cut. Said Dennis, you're very wrong. He admitted to me last year, Sebastian, straight guillotine cut. Big success. Said Gorka. Can I say one more thing? Yes. Dennis, we love you and we miss you. Thank you. Of course. Thank you. God bless you. God bless. Thank you for everything you do. And we are watching and we're sleeping better at night knowing that you're there protecting us. Well, when I got, the president nominated me on his true social. It's funny. I got two messages. People used to text me after that said, either congratulations or I feel safer. Those are the two messages I got. Absolutely. We appreciate that. Thank you.