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So stick with us as we are going back to outer space. Brian and I have been covering this for quite a while, especially with our next guest, Dr. Avi Loeb, Harvard professor, and some new news happening as far as the president this week, Avi, had a new directive allowing former federal employees and contractors to start working with those that are investigating UAP phenomenon. And to be able to be released from those non-disclosure agreements. That was pretty big this week. Can you speak to us about it? What was your reaction? Well, thanks for having me. Two important events this week. Indeed, the first is the one you mentioned because that will potentially relieve any anxiety that the informers may have about violating non-disclosure agreements. And hopefully that will allow people to come forward and provide the direct evidence about either materials or information that exists on a potential non-human origin of unidentified anomalous phenomena. The second development, which is also quite significant, is that Representative Eric Bergeson was able to get his amendment to the defense budget included, which calls for the establishment of a review board, a national review board that will look also into classified data and recommend to the government, to the president, what kind of data should be released and also help interpret data that exists within government. Hey Avi, I know you're not a lawyer, or actually maybe you are. This is smart enough you probably have all sorts of degrees. But so the non-disclosure in theory, what could happen to someone if they had some information and they leaked it to the public, that they could be in some real trouble? Well, no, they're not being asked to leak it to the public if it's classified. They're asked to speak with the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in the Pentagon or the UAP task force that is responsible for the release of classified documents. So that pursues this directive from President Trump that such information, as long as it doesn't compromise national security, should be released to the public. So there is a task force looking at classified information and any informers can either speak to the task force or to ERO in the Pentagon without any fear for legal repercussions. Now this can obviously involve classified information because that's where it is right now. All the unclassified information is not conclusive as far as we saw. So obviously the informers will be talking about classified information, but it will not be in front of the public. It will be in front of these two bodies and they can just approach either of them, either the Director of National Intelligence or ERO in the Pentagon and reveal what they know. And then of course, that would allow the task force to go in the direction of finding more about those reports. And as of now, they might not be aware. In fact, ERO was saying that they are not aware of any materials. That's what they said publicly from crash sites of UAP. But perhaps some other people know about it and that's because this information is compartmentalized in some corporations, for example. So I'm very much hopeful that all people with relevant information will come forward as a result of that because they will not have any legal repercussions to doing so. Abhi, to the latest release that came on, this is the fourth tranche of file releases that happened just a few weeks ago. But with your reaction with what was disclosed, especially the videos, as well as there were some still images too, I believe, one that we were showing just a few moments ago of the Challenger shuttle out one of the windows, it still feels like there wasn't anything, at least scientifically speaking, that was definitive in those that was the smoking gun that I think we've all been looking for. What was your reaction with the latest release? Yeah, that's exactly correct. It's clear that UAP, unidentified anomalous phenomena, are a mixed bag. There are some phenomena that can be explained from natural origin. For example, the blue dots that appeared in the Kodak films of Apollo astronauts, they appeared also in parts of the film that were not exposed to the camera lens, and therefore it's most likely a result of impacts by cosmic rays. There were also, as you mentioned, from the Challenger window, they took a photograph of an object that looks to me like a piece, a fragment of a broken satellite. A lot of such objects, there are 40,000 objects bigger than 10 centimeters, the palm of your hand, that are floating around the Earth, just a space trash. Unless they deviate from a trajectory that is dictated by gravity, you know, they shouldn't be treated as UFOs or UAP. So there are these kinds of objects. But then the question is, is there any wit among the chaff? And for example, you know, there are reports of orbs that are splitting into smaller orbs, and they appear over the decades. There are also incidents like the Nimitz case, where the Tic Tac objects, roughly 15 meters in size, were reported. And you know, some of them could be related to, for example, the more recent ones, to laser beams. Just today, I wrote an essay about whether the powerful lasers that are being developed by government could potentially produce a spot, you know, a hot bubble of ionized air, such that it would reflect radar or appear as a glowing, elongated object roughly 15 meters in size, like the Tic Tac objects. And my conclusion is, yeah, if the government decided to invest a billion dollars in developing the most effective laser optical technology, it's, in principle, possible. But in the open literature, that's not possible. Avi, we have a question about that Tic Tac UAP. Someone wants to know here, do we know yet if that's advanced technology or still an anomaly yet? And does that happen more than we think? Yeah, so there are reports about, for example, orbs back in 2023, and as well as in 2025, there were reports by FBI agents that there are unusual orbs lasting for hours and splitting into smaller orbs. You know, about 40% of the phenomena that were associated with these events were not resolved by the Old Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in the Pentagon, so that's still open. But I should say, you know, the usual assumption about fast-moving objects like Tic Tac is that they are physical objects, and therefore, it's really difficult to understand, first, what is propelling them, because you don't see any wings, any motor, any engine, and moreover, if they were to move over tens of kilometers in a few seconds, they would naturally produce a sonic boom and a fireball. Now, what I try to examine today is what if they are just hotspots from a laser? In that case, you know, the hotspot can move around at very high speed because it's not an object, it will not produce friction on air, it will not generate a sonic boom, so that's a possibility, and I don't know the classified literature on the most powerful lasers that were employed. In fact, near the Nimitz location, there was a test bed of lasers by the Navy, so, you know, it's in principle possible, but in practice, only the government that has, only people that have access to classified information can tell. Avi, for those that don't know, your work at Harvard University, leading as director of the Galileo Project, but just recently, last month, correct, the president appointed you to lead the UAP Science Advisory Council. Very, very momentous there. Can you tell us about the council, what your mission will be, and who are the experts that you've assembled to join you on that quest? Yes, in early June, I was visited by a representative from the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, also on behalf of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office in the Pentagon, and he asked me whether I'll be willing to establish and lead a UAP Science Advisory Council, and they had me at hello, because obviously this is something that I feel privileged to do as a citizen of the United States, because the most down-to-earth interpretation of this UAP is that they're human-made technologies. In that case, if we resolve their nature, we're helping national security, because they may be sent by adversarial nations. They hover over strategic assets. It's important to figure it out, but that's in the most down-to-earth perspective, and of course, even if one of these objects ends up being of non-human origin, and it's technological, that would be the biggest discovery ever made by humanity, so I was thrilled to accept this invitation, and I assembled the council that includes by now about 18 scientists with expertise in physics, oceanography, data analysis, statistics, psychology, and we had several meetings already, and we asked for more information from the U.S. government about some historic incidents. We also recommended some new sensors that they may use to get better data in the future, especially distances to the objects, because we don't have those, and altogether, it's a dialogue, a partnership with government that I think will be very fruitful, and it's a much better reality than the one depicted by Steven Spielberg in his film Disclosure Day, where the main characters have their car thrashed against a moving train by people who represent the government, whereas in my case, my car is left intact, and I'm actually collaborating with, have a partnership with government, and I think we are at a very exciting times, because we can get to the bottom of it. It's like a detective story, and stay tuned. Avi, I'm a little hurt that you didn't ask Trenton and I to be part of that panel, to be honest, but you know. I think you shouldn't cut yourself so short, Avi. You are a force of nature yourself. If you showed up at my door, I'm certainly gonna tell you everything I know. Good stuff, Avi. Well, you know, it's not about us. It's about whether we are being visited. We should focus. As I say, we should keep our eyes on the orbs, not on the audience, on social media. Avi, can you hang with us for just a few moments? The other side of this break, we wanna get to that point right there. Welcome back to Fox 10 Talks. On Thursday afternoon, Brian Webb and Trenton Hooker here. We're joined by Harvard professor Avi Loeb. We just found out that Avi did not invite us to an impressive panel to look into UAPs and UFOs. We're still hurt about that. Like Avi said, it's not about us. I thought we were getting tied over, but I understand it. Don't get me wrong. Yes, nonetheless. Avi, are you expecting, I don't know, are you hoping, I'm sure we all are, or maybe not, some kind of smoking gun here? I guess that could go either way. Yes, if it exists, then I hope we will get to it because we are serious about finding it. And obviously people who know more can come forward now without fearing from their non-disclosure agreement. And then we can get to the bottom of it. Now, there was sort of a stagnation on this subject because for a long time, the government was not willing to engage with scientists and we are now living in a new reality. In fact, I spoke with Hal Puthoff and he said that he was trying to promote a decade ago, a conversation, a dialogue between government and scientific community, and that was not successful. It was blocked. So he was very happy about what is going on right now. And of course, whether we find something really revolutionary to the future of humanity or not depends on whether that evidence exists. Whether we are being visited, that's not up to us. It's up to the data. And even if the data is not good enough, we can collect better data and figure out what we are dealing with. So that's my hope. And I think it could happen in a matter of a year or a few years, as soon as we get to the clues that we are searching for. Avi, always interesting, always enlightening. Really appreciate your perspective being here, sir, with us. Yeah, thank you. And I'll be glad, of course, to report if we find anything. And one reason I didn't want to trouble you is maybe we won't so you're very good at your job. Keep doing what you are doing and I'll be back to tell you more after we find something. Fantastic. Anytime. All right, that's a hell of a tease. Thank you, Avi. Dr. Avi Loeb, appreciate it.