Carlos Rod￳n | Profile & Projection | 855

Yellow It's another Oh Hello and welcome to another Player profile and projection here on talking yanks brought to you by seat geek code yanks Get you some cool stuff carlos rodan Now this is a player jake that has never been part of a ppp before it's his first ppp Do you think he feels good about that? I think he doesn't care From what we've heard. He probably doesn't care Um, maybe he will maybe he's a tune-in. Maybe he's you know, because he's he's done some content type stuff Maybe he's in Like we know cashman's a big podcast guy. Like maybe rodan's gonna be like, what's the yankee? Oh talking yanks. Okay Oh, these guys are hot um Jim he's listed 6 3 2 45. Are you into that? 6 3 2 45. No, I mean but not like it's it's there Which do you think he's lying more about his height or his weight? His weight's just wrong. Yeah, he's not lying about it. He's just not caring to change it Oh, yeah, like he's never looked. Yeah. Yeah, he can't tell you like the last time he's actively stood on a scale Well carlos, thank you for tuning in Sorry, we started here a new pitcher on the yankees. That's kind of what you're alluding to jimmy six years 162 Yep, six year contract 162 million dollars including a five million dollar signing bonus. Nice So he's the new Number two that money around for a while Nestor's got a fighting chance there, but I mean I think uh, You pay this guy that much money he's gonna get a lot of shots he's supposed to come in and be a guy I know we're going to talk about rodan, but my first question that I just thought of yes Who's the last guy the yankees signed like this? I mean garrett cole came in to be a number one This is a six-year deal when have the yankees had two starting pitchers of this caliber locked up for this long together It's been a while since the like the yankees have kind of only done garrett cole level signings or one year This is things and free has to be the most in talking to yanks since 2017 since we've been doing it I think I remember dirt like during rodan's free agency We were I was reading articles and it's like the only other like multi-year free agent pitcher signing was hap And that was there's some other two years, right? There's a Yeah, there's a vesting option on the third, but yeah So it's it's new it's new for the yankees in this you have to go back I think to like when messina and pettit And that crop of pitchers or was there someone that overlapped with cc corota was like two-year deals Burnett signed same off season. That was a five-year deal kind of okay to be that Yeah, that was supposed to be that but this that's a while ago. I mean, it's a long time since that I Corota was like three different one-year deals. Yeah, because he didn't like baseball hated baseball It's just what he was good at just happened to be really good at it. Yeah Um, yeah, and jim, I don't you know, it's a little bit internet offseason kerfuffle time as we're recording this MLB network came out with their top 10 list of pitchers and they had rodan at three So Maybe he's the one maybe cole's the two mlb. Yeah top 10 pitchers in mlb. Yeah Great news who made the list Did they say stuff or they're just like a graphic the graphic yeah Burns verlander rodan automation. They're one two three Burns verlander rodan, okay Cole wasn't on the top 10 Oh and before We do that quick bbd ad break to tell you guys even more about c geek all of our ppp's tpp's our whole preseason Package here is brought to you by c geek Baseball is back and to celebrate c geeks giving you a special offer. This is just for people who like us This is a special one John boy preseason 15 off your order Whether you're a first time buyer or not doesn't matter if it's your first order take out your phone open the c geek app Add john boy preseason as the code do it right now offer is only available through the end of march March 31st that goes away Code john boy preseason all one word The reasons that someone was allowed to do that graphic is the last two years carlos rodan Two three seven era for the chicago white socks over 132 innings It was his first year back in a while. He'd had some injury history, uh shoulder stuff, which makes you nervous for any pitcher shoulders and elbows, obviously but He goes out the next year the san francisco giants a 288 31 start so we went from 24 to 31 132 innings to 178. He led the national league in fit field fielding independent pitching some people like Well, which was the fastball slider combo is as good as anyone in baseball. Yeah, and his fit was good, which was Important for him because the giants sucked at infield defense last year. Yes They were not good Yeah, he's got very basic pitch mix 61 percent of the time he's gonna throw a four seam fastball Uh at like what's the velo on it's not crazy, right? So it's ticked up. I think he sits 95 and a half 95. Yeah, that's pretty good for a lefty And if I remember correctly and we're gonna watch him a lot and we're gonna learn who this guy is I think something we may come to learn to love is I think he has the He can dial it up Like I think we're this is what i'm assuming right now. I think he sits 94 95 But when there's a big moment in a game, he reaches back for the 97 98. Yeah Um, so that's something i'm excited to find out this year Yep, and then the slider is his second most pitch to righties He uses it You know, there's pretty decent separation. It's 30 percent of the time Uh to lefties he actually bumps the slider up so the lefty on lefty slider that's going to be a four or 38 percent of the time Basic you're not looking at a crafty guy here You're not looking at cole who's got four plus pitches or nester who was a two pitch pitcher at one point last year But also uses so many timing mechanisms and just like attitude to basically win him some at bats Which I do think rodon does as well. He's kind of like a gutsy. Uh Gamer of a pitcher. Oh, yeah, the pitch makes it straightforward. Here's my four-seam fastball. Here's my slider try to hit it You won't do you think the yankees will do? Do anything with that? We know how much they love the gas station the lab do we think we at some point we see rodon like trying to cut her like You know that Andy if we're doing lefties in yankee history, which that's what this show is lefty yankees history cc pettit The cutter especially as they got older And they're gonna welcome rodon in with so at some point carlos rodon's gonna throw a cutter. It's just wet I don't know about cutter But I liked it. I like it. I like it I like that in year four year four of his contract not in year one, right? When the velo's ticking down a little bit you add that like we saw cc and pettit really master cutter on the wrist Yes, I like that a lot. He's got a lot of people in new york to help him with that, right? So just wait, okay the curveball had good, uh underlying metrics last year So the curveball threw more to righties and lefties, but all its slash line was really good Um, it it's whiff and put away weren't terrible But he didn't give up like he gave up one hit off of it now he didn't throw it a lot at all and i'm wondering maybe if They try to work on that more in spring just in case one of the pitches the slider you get a different feel for If they try to I don't know if he's throwing that whirly slider, right? And that's what everyone kind of likes now if they try to change that Usually you give a guy this much money. You're not looking to change him it's usually when you trade for a guy you're looking to like Get value on the margins because you think you can like improve him by a drastic measure Like we've seen the yankees do a lot. So I don't know. I think we're gonna you know Especially year one coming over. I think he's gonna do what he's done yeah, and You should be really excited about it. Um, I I think like we've heard Off the field and we talked about with the scale. He kind of has idgaf vibes I don't give a bleep. I dug a oh That throwing fastball and slider 95 of the pitches I think that's kind of his attitude like here it is Try to beat me. I I think something else we always look for for new yankee pitchers is Uh, you know for him it'll be fastballs away to righties, you know power hitters and the short porch You know playing at oracle pretty pitcher friendly place yankee stadium also Three quarters of the field is pitcher friendly But there's a quarter of the field that is not pitcher friendly that he might have to learn that we've seen You've your guy lance lynn talked about it. We see a lot of pitchers You have to learn how to pitch to the confines of yankee stadium a little bit But once you do if you can have guys hit balls to left center field Joe, dimaggio would have had 600 homers That's what I heard this morning on the streets You're always hearing good stuff. Yeah po bagel shop The pitch in the yankee stadium is a thing that's gonna happen He's gonna face a lot of righties and yeah, uh lance lynn is a righty when he talked about that, you know You can't let the ball be away to righties because they can actually flick it take advantage of the short Short porch even more than lefties can so Someone tell him that right first. I was gonna bring up like his pitches last year like So he throws his fastball and the batter is a righty like what quadrant is he? Is he throwing that too a lot? And i'll let you know when I find it It's coming soon. Yeah uh I'm excited for rodan Like I just if you watch him pitch go watch some highlights like He's kind of like stomping on the mound a little bit Like he's kind of like a nail biter energy like just like recently quit cigarettes energy on the mound Which I like a little bit antsy a little bit like get me off this ******* mound, which I I do appreciate I don't want to be here. I don't want to be here Like I want to go back in the dugout and uh, you know, fill my mouth with dip or whatever it is Which nester has that energy as well? And we think him and nester are going to be boys right they're both kind of florida kids So I I'm miami. Yeah, but then rodan moved up to north carolina We we did some of this before but it seems like he should be friends with nester Everyone has to be friends with cole But it's kind of like a four-man team like the rest of the rotation has to do shifts on that because it's intense And higgie obviously I have I believe his dad's from cuba. So travel like that Okay, I have bad news now oracle park Right field where he played big wall big wall deep Brendan beltwood had way more home runs if he wasn't playing for the giants. You sound like the guy I saw this morning Yeah maggio You just talked about high and away fastball strides. That's where carlos rodan lived last year. Okay, so the most amount of pitch the most Amount of pitches in a single location was high and away to righties with his four seam So, yeah that might get him maybe he overcomes it and that's fine but that is a recipe for just like Having that that void that dj even judge like oppo Right homer that we we've seen a lot dj Remember when he used to find the short porch? Yep. He'll get back. They're going to worry about it. He was hurt Um, yeah, I mean hey, you know analytics guy here If he could aim for the top That part of the strike zone he maybe he could just bring that in and jam the righties sure I like it um, and how about this, you know, this is where profile and projections Really stand out compared to other network shows. Yeah Maybe he's hit by pitches going because he tries to get in on righties more So watch out for that bank on that see Bank on that. Uh, he had the sixth highest fly ball rate in 2022 among qualified pitchers 30 and and yeah, that might not be as favorable in yankee stadium as others like i'm sure if I look at a spray chart, we're not gonna like that, but Uh, maybe he was scared of his defense over the infield defense was horrible pitch to your stadium. Yeah He'll be great at fenway then That's huge He will be he might love that. He seems like he has a hey, this is kind of a genuine thing I know we're being a little goofing and gaffing. Yeah, I wasn't doing any gaffes feels like a person who would be Good at fenway It does and that's great because cole isn't Cole kind of overthinks it Do you think that he's gonna we talked about him having a nice fun relationship with nester? Do you think he's gonna give cole a good energy? Like does he like talking about pitching? I think it's going to be Well, here's the best case, right? I think it's good for both of them cole is going to respect his like a fastball slider like that's Yeah, that that's what works and I think rodon will appreciate a little bit of like Cole being like well, I threw in the first step bat I I did throw him one change up. So when we play them next week I'll start them off with a fastball and rodon's like what? You're thinking Two starts away And I hope it's like a little buddy cop thing like The thinker is an appreciation Rodon What we don't know Gonna have to come to the office and I know this is rodon's ppp, but i'm just worried about cole Higgies going the world baseball classic like who's cole gonna talk to and annoy. I don't think rodon's gonna No be an ear at all Found work vet's role Oh my goodness rodon verse devers two for eight two singles Okay I was looking at his pitch. I was looking at his pitch log last year his game log Which I like looking at when I want to judge a starting pitcher more than the total numbers like game in game out How was it? 31 starts in 20 of those he pitched into the sixth inning um in 27 of the 31 he threw 90 or more pitches. So that's good. And I wonder how many of those were early uh Yeah, he didn't know he just went man and that was the thing that they were worried about with him a little bit an injury Injury prone and also hadn't accrued like 30 starts and and 100 whatever it is, uh innings last year 31 starts 178 innings pitched One real blunder of a game i'd love for you to butter knife this Straight out and tell me what his line is. Oh, wow Yeah, one one game against the cardinals 3.2 innings pitch 10 hits eight earned runs butter knife that out And tell me what happens. I've got one baby step before the butter knife because you know, we talked about Rodan, you know being a true two and how many times have the yankees had that? um And just you know This is a loose jakey metric, but you talked about the innings or the pitches garrett cole eclipsed 100 pitches 19 times last year or Yeah, 99 pitches 19 times last year. How many 99s do you have? Rodan did 98 17 times nice So like you're talking about a guy who's out there like you're looking for the call have any 98s when we do a pregame show You're looking at he had 198 No 99s Cole didn't have any 99 99, but you said 99 is his number. Well because that was helping rodon Okay rodon needed the night, but then you went back to 98 I know because I misread it because I got excited for the butter knife because I didn't have the butter knife Do you want to give his like projected line for the year? I'm gonna butter knife you go butter knife that and i'll do his projected baseball reference line, which I mean mlb's got him as the best pitcher in the whole entire world. So I don't know what else you need about that 73% reliability is what we're working with that on baseball reference. They have them making throwing 162 innings which is About I don't know like 29 starts 30 starts So down a little bit they have him Let's see with a 306 era Of course, he has one save And a one dot whip Um, dude. Yeah, I think i'd be okay with that I think i'd be okay with that Yes, three dot zero six i'd be okay with that. Yeah, obviously Especially I think i'm giving him more wiggle room uh during the regular season first year to figure out the league and the stadium And all that and just be dialed come postseason because that's what we've needed for a while. It's like a legit two Uh because to help Cole out, uh take more innings and all that During the the postseason so I I am going to give rodon and hold me to this everybody If I start getting frustrated some wiggle room Early in the year to figure out the stadium Like I think he might have to run into some short porch holders and that's something that we don't really know his personality Like severino, he has to fail to learn that we learned that a lot and cc sabathia talked about that He's not just gonna believe you that you can't throw outside fastballs to righties as easily here He has to like get beat before he's like, ah, okay, and I don't know if carlos runs like that or not It's gonna be fun to find out. Uh, like you're saying. I mean he's gonna be here for the next six years Probably something like that. Um, it seems like he's got a cool personality from what we've heard and what we've seen Um, if you butter knife out one of his starts last year 3.2 eight earn runs easily his worst start um 174.1 innings a two five three era Two five three. Yeah, what's the line in that bad start? 3.28. Whoo. Yeah, and that was his only You know, he had a he had a couple five earnies, but those were over like six innings five innings So yeah, I mean it's it's the clear outlier When when was that start? Can you give me the date may 15th at st. Louis? So, you know Okay, so he bumped up the slider a bunch may 15th Fastball came down a little bit. I wonder what happened there We'll ask him He probably doesn't want to talk about that. Yeah. Hey, what can you tell us about your one bad start? That would be a bad way to go and he mentioned in his After press conference chat with like curry he talked about tinkering with the change up a little bit Is that the start he used it or something? Uh, I don't believe so I just had it up I can find it in two seconds No, um, he started he didn't use it at all true He threw a couple curveballs. He started up in the curveball more after that start um Interesting pitch usage over the year for a chunk in june. How are his numbers in june? Was that there was one month where he got hit pretty hard Guessing it's may considering that game came in may but his season splits because there was a bunch of games here in june that uh He like kind of stopped throwing the four seam that much He's got one game here. June 22nd, june Overall may have been his best month. Wow Depend what you what you value six starts one two five era How is his june 26th innings as the most or june 28th july June 28th six innings pitched one earned run against two Against detroit so you didn't care. So what do you throw 90 fastballs 60 fastballs? 40 percent sliders didn't throw a single other pitch besides those two only start of the year where he didn't throw a third pitch Detroit tigers. Yeah didn't need it shots fired a little that shots fired a little bit. He also was brain dead that game Uh, i've got one last stat we do a little long, but this is one of the newer cool Yeah, there's a lot to learn a lot to learn a little long. What if I told you? of his 31 starts last year 24 of them were over five innings pitched And two earned runs or less I like that 24 of his starts I mean man, if you do that with the yankees, that's that's wins man. Yeah That's exciting. He's a stud 24 starts. How many innings how many runs? 24 starts with five plus innings and two runs or less. I like that a lot 18 starts like half of his starts one run or less That's nuts, man I Want that now he's in smaller ballparks and more offense So we'll see how it goes. But yeah exciting. That's carlos rodon over under do we have one for him? Let's see yankees ppp's Um carlos rodon at one side young this year, no um I don't know if i'm seeing one Don't see one over under Three two era Under why not? Nice, uh over under one pick Oh, i'd like one pickoff, he's a lefty right new rules, so Is he picking people off? No, he's really bad at pickoffs. He's really bad at pickups really bad at the strikeout I was reading that last. All right, how about over under? 0.5 balk subscribe Oh, he's gonna ball. Okay, just for fun dude first first pitch just like a zone out. Okay. Yeah against detroit Thanks guys. See ya