Sports Card Investor: Card Prices Have LOST ALL CONTROL

A record number of cards are selling for millions of dollars. The Shaq market's going crazy. The Peyton Manning market's going crazy. The Asia Wilson market is going crazy. And even the Mickey Mouse market. Some Mickey Mouse cards are up 700% over the last 90 days. Make it make sense. Is the card market officially out of control? We're going to debate now. Hello, sports card investors, and welcome to another episode of Cards on the Table from the Arena Club studio here inside Cards HQ. T-Pock, great to see you on the show. Yeah, thank you. Your hand just went boink, made a fun little noise. Boom. I'm excited. We got a special guest on the show today. We've got Phil Kronakis. Phil from Sealed Wax Nation. Welcome to the show. Thank you, Jeff. Thank you for having me. Thank you, Tyler. It's good to see you both. And we're going to get to know Phil a little bit more later in the show. We did a big charitable donation today. Every week at Cards HQ, we go and we give packs of cards to the kids at the Children's Hospital of Atlanta. It's a big thing we do every week. And Phil came in. He did it with us today. Phil even donated $5,000 to the cause of the Children's Hospital. We'll talk about that later. But welcome, Phil. Happy to have you on the show. Happy to be here. But I want to talk first, T-Pock and Phil, about what is happening with card prices right now. I mean, we know that this has been a hot year for cards. We know that the sports card and that the market movers index of the SAI 500, 500 of the most prominent sports cards, we know that thing is up over 40% barreling towards 50% plus in terms of how the card market has moved up since January 1st of this year. We know Kobe's market's crazy and Jordan's market crazy and Brady's market's crazy. We've seen all of that. But it's not stopping. And now it seems like the money is trying to find other places to go. We, of course, you know, we saw the Shohei Otani, you know, dual gold logo man sell for $11 million. We've seen some of those premier sales. We saw the Victor Webanyama Prison Black one-of-one sell privately for $5.1 million in May. We've seen some of those headline sales. But now we've seen Josh Allen have two $1 million plus sales recently for two of his cards. His highest card previous was $280,000 or less than that. And now $2 million sales for Josh Allen in the last couple months. We've seen a hockey card. Celebrini. Celebrini just had a hockey card sell for $1.281 million. His 2025 Upper Deck Young Guns Outburst Gold one-of-one. And we're seeing joining the ranks of people like Kobe and Jordan whose card prices have been going crazy. Now we've got Shaq's market that's up 55% in the last 90 days. Peyton Manning's up 38%. Asia Wilson is up 35%. Serena Williams is up 32%. You know, Jordan's still going up. He's up 27% in the last 90. Kobe's up 27% in the last 90 days. Tom Brady's up 23% in the last 90 days. So many record sales, high prices. Is it out of control? Have we, like, is this just, how does this happen? Can this continue to happen? Why is this surging? And is this scary? Teapot, help me make sense of what we're seeing right now. When I was in Air Force officer school for five weeks before jacking up my knee and having to withdraw back in 2010, part of that we had to memorize quotes while we were like in a formation. And it was a lot of different quotes and they're in your face and whatever. And there was the first quote in this book, the Talon that we had, that was confidence is contagious. So is a lack of confidence. Vince Lombardi, Green Bay Packers. Confidence breeds confidence. It literally is what's happening right now. The more big money sees other big money, the more people who have big money see somebody like Mr. Wonderful or whomever or Tom Brady in Card Vault or whatever's going on. Michael Rubin putting money into this. We know Michael Rubin's really well connected across many different, you know, groups of business and industry and celebrities and everything. It doesn't surprise me at all. There is institutional money being invested. There are funds being set up. There is a lot of people now viewing cards. Cards have more credibility than they have ever had as true alternative investments. Certain ones. Some of these big sales are dumb. They are not good buys. I don't know if it's people. I brought this up on another video on the Market Movers channel. Sometimes people just have a lot of money. And so we look at a card. There was a Yoshinobu Yamamoto dynasty, one of one non-rookie logo man that sold for $190,000 on Golden Auction. And we talked about it on Spitballing Cards and we're like, what? Like Otani did $130,000 a year ago. What's going on? This doesn't make sense. But if that's somebody with, you know, five, you know, whatever, I don't know, however many millions of dollars to their net worth, and they're just like, eh, I want the card. I'm going to go for it. It's two people like having that same. You can't really rationalize it. Some of it you can't rationalize. So I want to go through quickly some of these things. You were pointing out some of these names. I think that Otani dual gold logo man potentially goes down as a steal in the long term at $11 million. Oh, wow. A steal at $11 million. Long term. Wow. Long term. If we're talking 20, 30 years from now, I think that card easily outpaces inflation and standard markets and looks like a really good buy. It's an incredible card. Josh Allen with the $2 million plus sales. His legacy is ultimately going to be very interesting. Story's not over with Allen. But last year, you and I both were like rooting for him to like get to the Super Bowl because Mahomes was out. He was down. The Chiefs were down. Should have been his year. His kryptonite was gone. Should have won. And oh, gosh, the heartbreak. Do you know Jim Kelly? Jim Kelly went to four straight Super Bowls. He's got the Bills fandom. Unfortunately, he lost all of them. His most expensive sale, his PSA 101984 Tops USFL sold for $11,000. Now, that's not the same caliber of card as these ones we're seeing for Josh Allen. But those are mind-blowing. The Celebrini is a huge deal. I think that is such a big deal. Hockey is next up there. People are coming over. Really? Because there's always hot money, Jeff. Okay. And now you saw soccer. What happened? 18 months ago, I said soccer is due. And it's rising and rising and rising. But this was before World Cup. Soccer was getting hot. There is more spotlight on hockey now. Celebrini is bringing something different. Is Shaquille O'Neal's rise Kim's fault? I don't know. She's obviously building her little Kim box of Shaq cards. But it's funny. I, in a video, I have to go find it. A few months ago, talking about players I thought were due. I was walking the shelves of Cards HQ. I specifically brought up Shaq, Peyton Manning, and Asia Wilson. And I've talked about them many times since then. Different reasons. Shaq and Peyton Manning are in that like tier two. I mean, I think Peyton Manning should be in tier. He is in tier one, in my opinion. But they're not the GOATs. Yeah. But they are very popular. Yeah. Holistically. Both in media and present all over the place. And it was like, why are their cards so cheap? Asia Wilson is just the de facto definitive GOAT in WNBA. Her cards have been way too cheap. And a lot of people don't know her cards, the written house stuff and whatever. So I just think there's all this stuff makes sense. Yeah. Wemby. Wemby is going to Wemby. That market makes, you know, of course it's going to be hot. The big money. The thing here that's important is the big money isn't always indicative or representative of the smaller money. So you can have very different dynamics between those. But the collector market is alive and well. I did an Instagram carousel on that topic. I think the collector market is thriving. This is just the stuff that everybody sees. And so a lot of people are screaming, the sky is falling. I think the sky is fine right now in the big money world. I think there's more to come. I like T-Pot's quote, confidence builds confidence from Vince Lombardi there. That is true. I think some people watching have probably already said in the comments that the real quote is FOMO breeds FOMO. That's true. Not confidence breeds confidence. It's perhaps a little bit of both. Maybe they kind of mean the same thing in a sense. I don't know. Phil, what is your take on the state of all of these record sales? Yeah, more broadly, we are not at a top. That's what I'm watching for. Any market that's moving as quickly as the sports and collectible card market in the last 90 days gets attention. Is this a rational exuberance? Is this a blow off top? Is this a bubble? And my opinion is it's not. Evidence for this is inside the hobby and outside. Inside the hobby, it's not that the new money that's coming in is just going to big cards, although it is, and it's resetting price expectations. That is market psychology, FOMO, or confidence. But new money is coming into brick and mortar, like your new store in Detroit, like Card Vault. That's not an end sign for me. I'm seeing pitch decks from mid-level private breakers, not to mention the billions of dollars in your company and others. So the new money that's still pouring in is going to be reflected in prices, including the ones you're quoting. Outside the market, though, what I'm looking for is the hobby is going to react to a correction in the American market, and there is going to be one eventually, and that's necessary and healthy. But we have evidence that when this happened back in 08, 09, we don't have the pricing data for cards at that level. You guys sort of created that later. But as the economy crashed, as discretionary spending went to zero, that affected the middle and lower levels of enjoyment. So the hobby, I think the high-level cards are going to be like fine art and old wine from 10, 15 years ago. Those did not lose value. You might see transaction volumes slow down a little bit on the high end. But yeah, a lot of these cards that we're talking about here are true one-of-a-kind type grail cards that people are chasing after. I think those are good observations, Phil. And to me, you've got an additional element that's coming into play right now that was not nearly as much of the equation a couple of years ago, and that's global expansion. And you talk about Yamamoto's dynasty, non-rookie second year selling for close to $200,000. I guarantee there was Asian collectors in the mix, if not winning that card, at least bidding for that card. And I think that's a sea-tide change that's occurred over the last couple of years, where you're seeing a lot more money coming from Asia. We're starting to see it grow in Europe as well. And I think that's really helping fuel a lot of this. I also think you do have the celebrity impact. You do have the FOMO from Ruben Smith, rich friends getting into it, and then more and more celebrities and actors and athletes and all this stuff getting into it. And it's kind of at a high right now, hopefully not a peak. I mean, as you said, Phil, it's not just card prices that are peaking. It's a lot of investment in the industry that's an all-time high. And that gives me confidence that there's a much wider foundation that's been built of infrastructure than ever before. And I think that that bodes well for the long-term growth. There are cards. I keep hearing people refer to COVID and like, look at COVID and COVID, this happened in COVID, and look at where it went and whatever. I'm not, like you said, the correction will come. It will come. Things will soften when, I don't know. But COVID, if you look at all the market movers charts, went like this, wham, like this, and then came straight back down like that. And then we saw a very slow burn over about an 18-month period where it was done before it stabilized and started coming back up. This has been different. Yes, there are record-breaking sales on one-of-ones and stuff. I don't think that's the market as a whole. That's a different animal. The broader market, like the SDI 500, is going like this. It's like a 30-degree slope on the chart. There's some volatility still within it. It's slower. It's more measured. It's more mature. People aren't doing the same things that they were during COVID, irrationally, like paying $1,900 for a PRISM, LUCA-based PSA 10. They're not doing that. The money feels like it's going into the right cards now, doesn't it? To some extent, yes. To a large extent. There's still people learning, but I think it's a very different thing right now. And I think the growth is... There's so much growth opportunity, just even relative to sports fandom, plus the international, plus everything else. There is one other Wall Street example you reminded me of that didn't exist during COVID and adds some logic to the prices going up, which is comforting, because that's not exuberance. When companies like Fanatics and Arena Club are providing these great digital repacks and products and are encouraging and enabling others to buy up cards and guaranteeing certain commission and percentages, that is establishing a price ceiling and slowly moving that ceiling up. We call that inflation. We argue about it in politics, but in the market, it may be a good thing here, which is we're looking at these prices going higher. Why is it happening? This is a little like companies repurchasing their own stock to keep value. It's not a bad thing. It's not all being able to total by the price itself. And I see this type of money where the companies that are creating the cards are also guaranteeing some value for them. It's good for the market. Interesting. That's an interesting perspective. And that's a good segue, Phil, because you just mentioned Arena Club. Let's rip a couple of slab packs, as we do every week on the show. Teapot, you did one for yourself today and you did one for Scott since he's not here today, and then I did one. So let's start with... I did football. We'll start with Teapot's own one. Let's see what Teapot got here. Emerald football. There you go. Oh, of course, it would be... You know, a couple of years ago, I was critical of TLAW. This time, I've been a little hesitant on Drake May. I'm a little hesitant on Drake May, too. But we'll see. I want to sell that one before the season starts. How much is that one worth, by the way? I don't think... Yeah, that's about what I thought. $389. Okay. It's been in the $350, $400 range. By the way, these are $500 slab packs. So you got a $389. That was a $900 card last year, I remember. It sure was. If they start out, it might be again. Let's see what Scott got. Yep, baseball. Okay, judge. That's solid. It's not the... It's not a chase, but we'll see. It's a nice staple card. All right, beat him. $340. You're ahead. So you're ahead right now. I ripped basketball. Let's go. Emerald basketball. Let me take this thing home. Whoa. Oh, okay. Yes. I got the go to the goat. I got the go to the goats. But is that going to be more value? I'm not so sure, because that's just a 96 tops base card and a 10. $290. That's a beautiful card. So you know what? None of us did particularly great this week. Which is a shame, because I got to tell you, if you look at these slab packs right now on Arena Club, I'm looking at the emerald basketball one. And they got... God, they got some crazy stuff. Kobe auto that you're chasing on that one. That's what I was hoping for. Another one of those. You got a Luka. Beautiful, flawless. You got a LeBron James. Color blast. A whole bunch of other really nice chase cards, including a Dylan Harper black refractor auto. So could have pulled some good stuff. Didn't pull the greatest of stuff. But here's the good news for you. If you want to try one of these Arena Club slab packs, if you use promo code SCI, if it's your first purchase on Arena Club, you get 20% off your first slab pack. That makes this a really good deal. Go to Arena Club's website or download the Arena Club app. Promo code SCI at checkout for 20% off your first slab pack purchase. All right, guys. I want to jump into our next topic today. We just talked about how card prices maybe or maybe are not out of control. How does this narrative change? If I tell you that these Minions cards in the new Tops Chrome update basketball are selling for $20,000 plus, how does that start to change the narrative? Perhaps, you know, Tops has released Minions cards so far for both top players in MLB and NBA. This has been an extremely popular crossover. And we've seen other crossovers like this. Tops has been doing Disney crossovers with MLB teams. Those cards have been selling very, very well on the secondary market. Those go for a lot of money as well. And even outside of the sports cards, you've seen this crazy growth in Mickey Mouse. And a lot of the Disney cards, both Tops Disney and Lorcana Disney, over the course of the last few months, in fact, over the last 90 days, believe it or not, the Mickey Mouse Lorcana card market as a whole, if you look in market movers, is up 781%. And the Mickey Mouse Tops card market is up 146%. So Mickey Mouse is outpacing Shaq in terms of growth in the market by multiples, right? So my question for you guys, with the seeming popularity of some of these pop culture IP crossovers with sports cards or trading cards in general, do you see this continuing to grow and becoming a bigger part of the sports car market? Or is this just kind of a, you know, some overhype and things like these minions cards over time, aren't really going to hold up as well. I need a Mickey Mouse Fantasia Shaq Kazam crossover card between the two and have Shaq rapping in Fantasia or something like that. But this was something that Tops brought up at the industry conference that they did two years ago here in Atlanta. And I went to a breakout session about non-sports cards, pop culture. And they said, we're going to start putting more into this. We think it's a big opportunity. There's a big, these different IPs appeal to people's nostalgia in a very similar way, if not even more so to your childhood and different attachments. I don't know if you can refer to a mouse as the goat, but like, yeah, Mickey's like obviously where it all started with Steamboat Willie and all of that with Disney. So this is not surprising to me either. I think we're seeing this across the board. I noticed you notably omitted Spongebob, which you've railed against, but Spongebob has been straight popping off. Spongebob's been hot, I don't know why. Spongebob's not my, I'm a little old for Spongebob, but all these young cats in our office are all Spongebob lovers. Yu-Gi-Oh cards have been popping off. One Piece continues to go up. You got Gundam and Union Arena and all these different TCGs kind of coming out of the woodwork, being built up. We saw Bo Jackson Battle Arena has been extremely popular. But I think the crossover piece is very, very, very much here to stay. These Minions cards were really polarizing when they first were announced and showed on the marketing promos by Topps, and I think you and I both said these are going to be very popular because it was a polarizing reaction, but the people that hate them, it doesn't matter. It's the people that love them and want them and think they're hilarious. I will say there's a little bit of market manipulation being attempted right now with those Minions cards. There's been a few sales on eBay that we've had to remove from market movers. Yeah, I saw that big $50,000 plus. There was a $100,000 Red Curry. Okay. That was for sure fake. Okay. And it's removed from eBay's data. And the same thing with a Shea Gilders Alexander Red that had multiple zero feedback. It was like $51,000, $52,000. Yeah, it was like $51,000. Okay, so be careful out there, people. Be careful. Yep. But nonetheless, there's still a lot of excitement around these cards. People are definitely seeking them out. You know what's coming. I think the thing that's going to break everything it's coming, I feel very strongly, is Pokemon. I think Topps is getting some Pokemon stuff going. Oh, you think there's going to be some crossover? I think there's going to be something. All right. Phil, was this you buying these Minions cards? Are you high on this type of stuff? Not specifically Minions, although my three-year-old daughter would beg Topps to introduce an Elsa and Anna crossover with some sport. But I like Tyler's point about how much impact there is on your childhood likes. We're going to have adults, and this is like nostalgia on overdrive, right? When you cross these markets. So adults are spending adult money on their childhood fun. Their children are telling them to buy them. Their children will grow up and spend adult money. This is real. The one caveat I have about the cards coming out this year, and I think there's an analogy to be drawn to Kabooms and Downtowns that I think I've heard you make on this show, these are popular. So Topps will keep doing this. They will print more of these next year, meaning what have come out already and what are coming out this year in baseball and basketball. Maybe this will be in football next. These are going to be the rarest ones. These are the ones that get, if you're an investor, I don't see them going away any more than I see children going away. A couple of quick other thoughts. One thing we didn't talk about is Magic. Magic's been leaning heavily into these other ideas. They do. Magic's been doing these crossovers. We saw the one ring sell for $2.4 million to Post Malone, and all this type of stuff. So that is very popular with the Doctor Who and all of that stuff. I always like to throw ideas out there for Topps because I think they listen. It'd be fun for them to do a pop culture crossover. I don't know how the IPs would work. Like a collab with athletes where they ask the athletes, what's your favorite childhood show? And then do the card within the insert set so that if somebody says, oh, Gargoyles was my favorite show growing. I think that'd be a cool way to personalize the insert sets. I don't know what it'd take to pull it off, but I imagine that could be pretty popular if people knew like, oh, Bobby Witt Jr. really liked Spongebob or whatever. And here he is with this card. All right. The athletes would probably chase them themselves. They probably would. I like it. I like the idea. All right. I want to talk about some of these bounty auctions that are happening on Alt. I also want to talk about Topps Flagship Football that comes out tomorrow for the 2026 season. We're here. We're going to talk about that. But first, Phil, I want to give you an opportunity to talk about Sealed Wax Nation and what you're doing, because you've got a good cause that you're supporting, and I think the audience should hear about this. I appreciate that. So Sealed Wax Nation is a charity. Sealed Wax Nation donates collectible cards and money to children's hospitals and youth organizations. I sold a good part of my collection earlier this year on Ty Wilson's show, Chasing Cardboard, and I've used those proceeds to fund Sealed Wax Nation. We started with donations to Silver Hill Hospital in my hometown in New Canaan, Connecticut, and also made a donation to Healing New York, which is America's oldest child welfare agency. It provides therapeutic services to families in need. Our third donation was down here today at Children's Hospital, and Jeff, I appreciated getting to spend time with you and Kim and Parker over at the hospital, just seeing the children's reaction. I've seen this before, but seeing the way it's done down here with the theater and the children coming down, so meaningful. And thank you for letting us participate. What we want to do next is continue distributing the proceeds from the Chasing Cardboard sale. We've got events lined up in Florida, in Tennessee, and New Jersey to make this really a national effort. And in 2027, we're going to try our own first fundraiser. Cool. I really want to thank quickly my board of directors who turns good ideas into realities. Kate McGee, our board chair, and Alyssa Golden and Tom Burke, our board directors. I really appreciate their work. And again, thank you, Jeff. Thank you, Tyler, for letting me be here today. For sure. Absolutely. We're happy to have you. And it's awesome that you've taken some of your personal collection and have turned it into a charitable mission, and you're supporting these children's hospitals. And we appreciate you helping support what is going on here in Atlanta and the work that we do with Cards HQ over at the Children's Hospital here. Thank you. Thanks for coming in, Phil. All right. More from Sealed Wax Nation in the months ahead. We'll let you know as his fundraiser gets off the ground next year. But let's talk about these bounty auctions again, Teapot. Last week during the show, we had a little bit of dialogue about the fact that Alt was doing a bounty auction for the Cooper Flag debut patch one of one card, even though the card hadn't been consigned to them and they didn't own the card. They just put it up for auction anyway, just to see, I guess, what people would bid. And the idea was that hopefully the bids would get high enough that the person who actually pulled the card, guy by the name of Jason Williams, who was in the store this past weekend, that he would give them the card. He would be like, oh my gosh, look how much people bid on Alt. So he'll be like, I'll accept that highest bid. Well, it didn't work on that one. Even though the auction is still going on currently on Alt, I can tell you speaking to Jason, that's not gonna happen. He's not gonna give the card to Alt. So that one's gonna fetter away. Maybe he would someday, but he's not gonna do it right now. He's not gonna take them up on their current bounty auction and do this like right at this very moment. So that one will go away. But Alt has now done this again with Dylan Harper. The Dylan Harper one of one bounty, the one of one debut patch was recently pulled. They've got Dylan Harper up for auction. It's already up to $800,000 before buyer's premium. So that means it's over around a million dollars, I believe is where they're up to on that one at the moment. So whoever got that Dylan Harper card from a break now has to think, should I take Alt up on this? And whoever the highest bidder is on this thing, should I give it? Will it work or not? I don't know, but it's definitely an interesting approach. We talked a bit about it last week, but seeing that Alt is now doubling down on this and doing this again, do we think this might actually be the future for how some of these things happen? Do we see other marketplaces, Teapot, potentially starting to do the same thing? What do you think about this? Has Alt, have they made a statement about this at all? Like I'm looking at their Instagram. If you go to bid on the card, it does have some explanation. They're calling it a bounty auction. Okay, right, right, right. There's an explanation, but so this is interesting. I've had a week since you shared this revelation with me last week when we talked about this briefly. I still am confounded. I don't know what to think of this. It's interesting that you said Jason, who hit the flag, is not gonna go. I feel like if I were in his shoes, I wouldn't have made any statement about it. I would have just let that thing run to get the data. Well, and to be fair, he has not made a statement about it concerning the Alt auction specifically. What he did say very clearly was that he was going to take his time and not make any decision with a card for a while. And yet the Alt auction, the terms of it specifically say, if the card is not received to the Alt auction house by today, Thursday, August 20th, then the auction will close and be considered invalid. So this one's going to end up being considered invalid for that reason. It is interesting. And I guess we'll see how these go. If I'm another auction house, if I'm Ken Golden, first of all, if Ken Golden had come up with this idea and decided he was gonna be first mover on this type of an idea, you know, he'd be on his social media account talking about how he's doing this, trying to win that business and get the card over. He'd be flying out to wherever he needs to go to talk to Jason and try to broker that arrangement. So I'm just wondering, I'm curious. That's why I was looking for a statement from all. I'd love to hear more from them about what is their approach? Have they reached out to Jason? I would want to see more. It's a novel idea that we've never seen before. And I don't know, a part of me is concerned about it and part of me is kind of intrigued. If I were holding that Dylan Harper or that flag, I feel like I'd probably be like, eh, I kind of like this. I kind of like that I get free data to understand theoretical market on this and then make an informed decision that's never existed before. Would we start seeing this from other places? Maybe they want to understand. Maybe they're having their lawyers look at and evaluate whether this is legit. I'm sure all did. And I don't know. Now, are we going to see this happen before products even come out somehow? We're putting an auction bounty out there right when the checklist is announced. I don't know. It's a brave new world, Phil. What's your take on this? I'm a lawyer, so the rules liking part of me is bothered by what's happening. I'd love to know what general counsel at all thinks of these contracts between Alt and the bidders on an asset that doesn't necessarily exist. But I can find two good things about it. First of all, congratulations to Jason. And he's getting free price discovery from one of the biggest platforms. So that's a good thing. But what Alt is doing and the prospect of companies starting to announce bounties and then sell the cards that haven't been released reminds me of purchasing options. There's nothing illegal about it. It's just a way to expand a given market. That's what this reminds me of. Until it's outright banned or fraudulent, it's probably one of the creative ways that new money is going to find new money. Yeah. Well, it's certainly bringing a lot of attention to it. And it's bringing a lot of attention to Alt, which I assume is also part of the goal. That's true. So I think we're talking about Alt now. A lot of people are talking about Alt. Even if they don't ever end up getting these cards consigned to them, they've made a lot of headlines. And that's smart PR, smart PR. By the way, planning on hopefully getting all data into market movers as well. We're working on that. We're trying to reach out to them and get that going. So we'd love to do that, Alt, if you're out there listening. Yep. All right. Final topic. Tomorrow is the release of the brand new 2026 Topps flagship football. It is the first fully licensed football set for the new 2026 year. I think it's great timing that Topps is putting this out here in August. We're still a few weeks away from the start of the season. And we're going to have a full Topps flagship set out before the season starts, which is, by the way, similar to what they do in basketball, right? Or in baseball, I should say, every year. And I assume we'll do that same thing with basketball this next season as well. I assume they're trying to get the flagship out ahead of the season. And this one's got a lot of intrigue, right? You've got rookies like Fernando Mendoza. You've got the typical short prints from Topps flagship, the golden mirror image variations that I know you love. You've got All-Kings in there as well. I know you might like a Jeremiah Love All-Kings, maybe. There isn't one. There's not a Jeremiah Love All-Kings? According to the checklist, there are no rookie All-Kings in this product. They're all veterans. There is a Gibbs and an Amon Ross St. Brown. So I could go for either of those. There's also a Mahomes. So I would like those three. Wow, yeah. The Mahomes All-Kings could be pretty awesome. The one of one's going to go nuclear. They got several autograph sets inside here, including the first NFL officially licensed, you know, NFL autos of the rookie stars. So they got, you know, a lot of rookie autos. So a lot of exciting stuff to chase. And by the way, for everyone watching, if you want to see more of this set, we're going to put a video out on this YouTube channel, Sports Card Investor, tomorrow on release day, where we're going to be showing off the new set, opening up a box, telling you all the chase cards, showing you all the different inserts, all that kind of stuff. And we're going to be breaking it all day long on Cards HQ Blitz on WhatNot, and actually even giving a bunch of cards away from the set. So you got to check all that out tomorrow. But right now, Teapot, I'm going to ask you, and I'm going to ask Phil, what are you guys most excited about in this set? Yeah, looks great. Design looks great. I know you and I are both a fan of the design. We've obviously seen it with baseball now, and I'm excited. I'm really excited it's coming out before the season starts. I think that's great. I think that's what these different sports need consistently. Let's stay ahead of schedule with the season so you can get in on the cards with the excitement of the season starting. I'm really excited about this Victory, Inc. card of Amon Ross St. Brown. Me too. This is actually a prophetic card of him pointing to the sky with the number one as we prepare to reclaim the North this upcoming season in a push, hopefully, for a Super Bowl. I can't, I'm not going to delude myself, Jeff. I do think we're winning the North, but we're not going to win. I also like this number one. This is the golden mirror image variation of Fernando Mendoza. That's cool. Arguably one of the most likable people I feel like we've seen. Just a good down-to-earth guy, and you know I love those, Jeff. None of these flashy, showboater, self-promoting guys. Just a good Fernando Mendoza type guy. Good Catholic like me. So I'm excited. One thing I'm not excited about, one of my favorite things Topps has done, they started it a few years ago, was the true photos, which were borderless, and all you had on the card was the Topps logo, and that was it. And now, for some reason, they've serialized them to 10 with a serial number on the front, and they have the player's name on it. So you can see Jameer Gibbs, and it's a different design, and I don't like it. Topps, don't do that. Take the name off. Keep it simple. You don't need to change that. Everybody loves a true photo, and I like the idea of there being more than 10 of these because they're cool, and I think everybody should have them in their collection. Not too many, but there you go. I don't know why I changed it. And now you know it from Teapot. Phil, what's your perspective? First of all, I'm just so impressed with Topps having gotten the license back so recently and being able to put out a fairly comprehensive 2025 line and still get Flagship out before kickoff. I'm excited to see the Raiders be an expensive team in the draft for the first time, in a break, sorry, for the first time in a long time. But also what I really love about Flagship football is it brings back, for the first time in over 30 years, Topps used to have all four licenses and the parody of Flagship, the same design for all of 92, for all of 93. For whatever reason, my OCD likes that uniformity and predictability, so I'm happy that Topps is back with Flagship football. Yeah, it is actually. And I like this year's design with the little kind of jersey stripe down the side. It's really grown on me. It's a nice design to have that carry across all of the different products this year, which is pretty exciting. Cool. Well, there you guys have it. Thank you, Phil, for joining the show. 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