Tuesday, Oct 13: Tim Dunn

Good morning. Welcome to the third and final hour of the program, for today anyway. And I'm going to go to Dallas, and God willing, I'll be back tomorrow. But for the time being, let's enjoy the company of political journalist Tim Dunn from the Boston Herald. Good morning, Tim. How are you? I'm doing great, Chris. How are you? I'm doing great. You've got your metaglasses on? Yes, I do. I'm not recording, though. Don't worry. He's not recording, folks, but he makes lots of videos. Yeah, yeah, no, it's very useful for the job, for sure. Getting on media scrums, you have two free hands now, so it's great. Where can people see your video, your action video, from the statehouse, various parking lots, as elected officials run from you? Yes, yes, and they're not running because I'm ugly, okay? So, no, you can see it on my Twitter page at ConsiderMeDunn. You can find him on Facebook at Timmy Dunn and on Truth Social at Tim Dunn underscore Boston Herald and whenever they're featured in stories at BostonHerald.com. Tim Dunn, of course, has been covering a lot of the allegations of corruption, legitimate people in court for corruption, although everyone's innocent until proven guilty. We know that. Tim Dunn, keep us up to date here. What is going on with the cocaine, alleged cocaine trafficker? trafficker i was a senior staffer to the current governor of Massachusetts Maura Healey um what's going on with that yeah the commonwealth's favorite cocaine trafficker yeah Lamar Cook he is uh so he has a couple procedural hearings coming up nothing really special yet gonna happen i was actually just talking to my boss about this on the way here chris actually about you know like just updates on that and uh and it looks like i think honestly this week might be just like a procedural kind of schedule like you know um stuff maybe arguing about what evidence and then um they have one more november and i think they're gonna they're gonna schedule it obviously for after the election and um and that's really where we're gonna get into a lot of the good stuff but what he was doing where it was found you know all this different what he exactly was doing with this cocaine allegedly and um and uh he really has had quite a ride i call him the luckiest uh you know uh disgraced former state worker ever you know he went from being arrested in october last year got released by a healy um appointed judge for like like 75,000 reduced bail no no bail restrictions a week after getting reduced getting released from bail his mother wins a million dollar lottery ticket uh he got 31,000 buyout from the governor the governor didn't check that he had a 2001 um or didn't care he had 2001 gun arrest for shooting at people on a porch all you know this goes on at snap funded disney world vacations this guy is like the journalist gift that keeps on giving it's a lot of um similarities to the Whitey Bulger stories right connected to the government involved in crime hitting the lottery you know you know family member hitting the lottery there's a lot of comparisons to uh Whitey Bulger or any or any mafia too i mean i think of like John Gotti when he was asked by uh the FBI what he does for work and you know and he's driving a brand new Mercedes in 1980 he says oh i'm a plumber yeah it's like okay you know i guess he is he was yeah um now he's passed on um and Lamar Cook is very much with us and currently out on bail he's currently out on bail 25,000 it was the prosecutors wanted 100,000 pretty serious charges and he has no restrictions the only restriction he had was turning in his passport so he can't travel internationally but certainly taking a lot of domestic trips that's for sure chris one of the stories that Tim Dunn wrote very early in on in this i mean you've done you and your team over there and your editors at Boston has done incredible work on this story um the state police did a background check on him and gave the governor's office the details of the fact that he'd been arrested for being involved in a shooting in Springfield um what were the circumstances of that shooting yeah well chris first of all you can't let a drive-by shooting get in the way of a DEI hire you know that's something silly but anyways in 2001 uh it was he ended up being uh so we don't know what happened with him you know conviction wise because the case ended up being sealed as reported by the Boston Globe at that time uh but in 2001 Cook allegedly was driving the car in a car with another uh gentleman and they um they stopped at a house in Springfield you know you can probably imagine for what reasons they stopped and they got out of a car and started firing a gun at people on a porch and this was all included in a state police background check among other things with with Cook that was given to Healy's office and you know presumably Governor Healy and they either did not look close enough or they did not care i'd probably presume the latter was probably more likely they wanted him in the position too good to check out and when they got the details they just ignored them yeah i mean it's one of the classic cases if it's too good to be true right you know and it's like you know it's i think you're totally right in terms of i don't want to i don't want to look i don't want to know just get this DEI hire in there my understanding is he was sponsored by a very powerful Springfield state representative that's the rumor mill that you hear from democrats up on Beacon Hill um and so there he is and today i mean it's got to be the worst case of blatant corruption um in the history of the united states have a senior staffer importing pounds and pounds of cocaine right you know it's crazy because i feel like for some reason and it shouldn't be this way that like cook is Lamar Cook is stuck in an echo chamber in massachusetts i don't know why it hasn't been picked up more nationally i mean this guy as you've pointed out point at countless times he tore it around Kamala Harris you know like the sitting vice president could have been the president and he tore her around while he was probably doing like slinging cocaine deals afterwards it's it's bananas and it's totally but the governor allowed it and he was like what the third or fourth most powerful under her office it's just unbelievable i i'm so shocked and you know Manoog's credit Mike Manoog brought it up in the last debate and it didn't catch on either there right it's everybody's giving it as Howard car says a good leaving alone yeah for some reason a good leaving alone i'm surprised in the you know this is something that i would have been like pushing non-stop when i was at Fox News so i'll be saying well you know what this guy just happened now his mom won the lottery right you know it's a great story yeah it's sad that it's going on here it's it's very Rhode Island like but it's it's here it's here in Massachusetts Tim Dunn is my guest he'll be here for the hour tim will take some phone calls sure good morning thanks for holding good morning guys how are you today good how doing good good good tim dunn i love it when you come on you do a great job you're like an old school reporter like uh i don't know like a tim white investigates type thing i love it sort on that realm and and the question i have is uh Brian Shirley when he was running said day one when i go in there all those charges are going to be taken off the electric bill i want to see somebody ask her point blank put her on the spot if you're going to provide real relief to people why haven't you eliminated the charges off the bill and whatever she says are you going to do tomorrow morning when you go in and get the residents real relief or is this just baloney I want to hear somebody put her on the spot and get a get an answer why are you not going to go in tomorrow morning and eliminate that off our bill that is the biggest relief we need as residents it's the biggest thing talked about it's all i know all my friends that's all we talk about is the charges on the bill we don't care about the education budget none of that other baloney this is killing people these hundreds of dollars of charges um i want to see her put on the spot and have an answer and want to know why she hasn't taken that off the bill yet oh good point caller it really is a good point you know first of all thanks for the compliment to be even mentioned in the same conversation as a Tim White is an honor you know i think i have a long way to go to reach his his peak but uh but in terms of what you were saying that's a good question i actually did ask lieutenant governor last week i wasn't able to get healy but uh she i asked her i said you know is this uh you know they took off that one smart charge from the electric bill and and that's fiscal i kind of stole this this angle from them but you know they they poised it really well Now, I asked Lieutenant Governor Driscoll, is this kind of an admission of like, hey, you know, these are kind of what's behind all the high prices here, these extra charges. And you're able to, you know, to kind of just wish them away. Right. You know, and Governor Driscoll said, well, we have the resources to pay for that. And that was really her explanation. I don't understand what that means. You know, she's telling me that they can cover it through executive costs when they're not collecting on that. Great. That's not what I was asking you. You know, is this an admission that these are behind? And I think we all know it is. Totally an admission. They're literally saying, we're getting rid of this so we can save you money from these unnecessary charges that we feel are necessary. This is what you're dealing with here. And she was running away from you. Yeah, she was walking away. I will say she did. She may have been winded. It was a short walk, but she did stick in there. She hung in there with you. She hung in there, and then she got a towel. Got into the SUV. She got dabbed off by a towel in the car from all the sweat. 508-996-04... Tim Dunn from the Boston Herald is my guest. Tim, I've been talking about your story all morning. So your story is on the $1.7 billion education scholarship fight that pits Healy against Minogue. And you have some stuff on the New York governor, Democrat Governor Kathy Hochul, just declared, I'm not going to leave money on the table and will join the Trump-backed education scholarship program. um your your article goes on the point that same 1.7 billion dollar pool of cash that could come to Massachusetts if Governor Healy followed the New York example uh a fellow Democrat governor uh from New York who opted in not to leave money on the table uh talk about this story yeah so if you guys remember anyone who watched the debate on Thursday for a good portion of it they really went back and forth Menogue and Healy on this the scholarship thing and you know Menogue was putting out that number 1.7 billion dollars a state will get and and and Healy was really kind of discrediting it and she was what i found it doesn't seem like she knew much about it right because i had asked her this a month ago i said are you going to enroll in it well i'm looking into it we're reviewing it she said the same thing on Thursday we're reviewing it you know so it's been months and months of reviewing this thing didn't seem to stop Governor Hochul and you know i think a lot of people might have been confused about it because i you know to be honest a lot of reporters are confused i think it's a natural turnoff for anybody when you hear you know scholarship tax credit it seems it's like i don't want to get technical i want to talk about ICE and i want to talk about protests right but like so i decided to dive into it just kind of get a feel for it and it's really a simple thing it's a simple concept it's a there's a 1700 tax break for single filers or if you're married filing jointly that's 3400 you can get for a donation of the same amount to a uh a um an educational place you know school a private school daycare whatever anything that's providing education and will presumably provide scholarship So maybe not a daycare, but schools. And and you're giving them that donation, which these schools have to use for a scholarship. OK. And under Minogue's plan, this is where the 17 the one point seven billion dollars comes from is under his plan to get five hundred thousand of both the married married filing jointly and single filers. Whatever combination of those makes five hundred thousand that would equate to roughly one point seven billion dollars being injected into scholarship opportunities in Massachusetts. it's a pretty you know and then again in turn these people get tax breaks and i think you have you know the the limit is you can't make more than 300 of the area median income so you know pretty standard stuff and it's part of the big beautiful bill it's part of the big beautiful bill that's the key that's the key thing if this was a trump and republican backed initiative and it being passed so it's a solid campaign strategy on minogue's part first of all not only is it is a good pitch for voters and a good thing you know a good platform but it's also a really good strategy to pit against Healy because she's stuck between a rock and a hard place, either she has to endorse a Republican and a Trump-backed initiative here or she has to adequately explain why it's not good and she didn't do that in the debate because she clearly doesn't know about it right so it's um it's she still is reviewing it but Governor Hochul as you just said she had a press release on Friday saying she's not going to leave this money on the table she carefully reviewed it she said before how she's not going to do it unless it proves to be beneficial for children in the state and families so it seems to be a beneficial thing five other Democrat-run states with Democrat governors um signed on to it the only one left is a Pennsylvania governor Josh Shapiro he's considering it still so with Healy you know it she really didn't have a good excuse she reverted to Trump you know she said that this 1.7 billion dollar figure is out of thin air which is not out of thin air it's not guaranteed it could be less that you know it all depends on who wants to donate to this right it all depends on how many of the people how many people in Massachusetts participate right exactly and we're a very generous state as individuals we really are right and also you know what who wouldn't want the tax break if you can get that you're going to get that off your taxes so it's beneficial on both sides it generates money it's it's a it's a it's really not a partisan issue i don't think no when you see the governor of new york it couldn't be more liberal partisan until you look at massachusetts partisan than Hochul but here she is denying children serious educational dollars from the private sector simply because she doesn't like donald trump it's really outrageous and all she does is she says well a free community college She's like, OK, well, you can also get the traditional, you know, funded college for other kids, too. Yes. Doesn't have to just be everything. And again, it's it's she's really stuck in this. It's a Trump thing. She doesn't want to get the scrutiny from the left if she does endorse it. It's sad how paralyzed she is, really, quite frankly. 508-996-05. Tim Dunn from the Boston Herald is my guest. Good morning. Thanks for holding. Yeah, good morning. Am I clear again here? You're on, yes. Okay. You know, the Democrats, to me, are two of their policies. One is the open border, and one is this policy of not locking up violent criminals. Now, if you remember this one Democrat that was deported to the Democratic Republic a while ago when he only had the gang affiliation, he can't go back to his life in danger. But then they put these people right back out in the streets. They came here to get away from these people, supposedly. And yet they put these people back on. They absolutely lose me on open borders and their policy on crime. It baffles me, especially violent crime. I'd like to hear Tim's thoughts on that. Thank you. Thanks for the call. Open border and allowing criminal legal aliens to get back on the street. Yeah. So, you know, it's a it's definitely a back and forth issue with that. You see kind of the same thing playing out across blue states. You see in Massachusetts where you got ICE working their tail off. You saw an operation down here a couple of weeks ago. They're trying to get dangerous criminals off the street. You know, I would say, you know, maybe there is some it's not an argument that I think many people believe in. I don't think the majority of the country buys it. But there's certainly an argument you could have about, you know, is it going too far? Are we getting too many people who aren't dangerous criminals? Sure, that can be a discussion, but I think the main point of what the Trump administration has been doing has been the right move. The trouble that you run into now is you have these different – in Massachusetts, for example, the PROTECT Act doesn't allow any cooperation whatsoever with ICE at all. We're not even – now, I think not even – you can't even anymore call them and let them know. I think – no, you can't. You can call on your own and say, hey, this guy is getting released sometime, but you can't hold a guy for ICE if you're a sheriff. You can't cooperate with your police department. and what we see anyway is these courts letting these guys out the back door and it just is a recycled arrest kind of thing if they don't move on you even just saw these two guys and the uh the guys who stabbed the NYPD officers they were arrested in Lynn yes where did they come from arrested and for refuge Massachusetts right so it's uh it's it's it's it's honestly sad it's terrifying cycle that's been happening you know i i think everybody has in mind you know you worry about for me i worry about the woman in my life and you know if they're out alone in a big city somewhere or something and this adds on to that fear you know is someone who otherwise wouldn't have been here who's nuts is gonna they're gonna hurt them look when you when you're growing up i grew up watching cowboy movies right cowboy television shows they will always do something wrong and run for the border of mexico right they're out there in there and they go we're gonna go to mexico we're gonna get out we're gonna go to mexico now they come to massachusetts right because they're gonna be hidden exactly yeah the old mexico from the cowboy movies is now massachusetts commit a crime somewhere else is an illegal alien and run to massachusetts because you can literally hide out in custody yeah they'll protect you i may have stolen this from you chris sandals massachusetts not only come here and hide but we'll get you put up in a nice luxury hotel we'll get you food debit cards transportation whatever you want a cell phone come on by sandals massachusetts for a legal alien yes they should really have the commercials i really we need those we need those commercials Mano should pick that up oh that would be That'd be hilarious. 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Tim was at the debate. Tim and I were just talking off the air. You're around Governor Healey quite a bit. um i have a lot of friends of mine who have to work with her and know her socially and they all give her high grades on her personality that when it does you know they don't agree with her on all her policies all that stuff but they personally they all like Governor Healey yeah it's interesting to see too Chris you know i've had that gift that a lot of you know i think it's rare to see what a an executive office kind of holder is like yeah you know and you hear this stuff a lot a lot of the time you hear a lot of people um i i have some friends who had their dads worked in secret service they say Bill Clinton was a was a pleasure to be around Hillary Clinton not so much right um and then they say things about George Bush like he had nicknames for everybody trump is actually apparently really funny yeah so uh you know with Governor Healey you know um i think people are usually surprised and i tell them that she's pretty affable yeah you know she um i think you know when we're when we're getting after it and we're in the media scrum not so much she's you know she's in this to win this she's competitive yeah but you know she she uh for example she stopped by the State House uh christmas party right and that was more of a political appearance but she stopped by and actually had a couple beers with people and talked and joked around and um you know i i always say that if she if politics wasn't in the way because i think she just has an innate obsessive drive to advance her political career yes so if that if she was a librarian if she was a gym teacher she would be a really cool aunt type like she's affable in that way but again we're also in election season i've known her since really pretty much election season started and um and she's competitive and she'll go after you she'll battle you she'll discredit you yeah so um but it's it's fun it makes it competitive in a back and forth yeah um she uh look like a like i always tell people it's almost like confession i voted for her there were a lot of reasons i did that and i'm not going to do that again um i've been very disappointed with her policies but from you know what you say and what other people whose opinions i trust they find her to be good company when she's around yeah yeah i mean you know i haven't experienced her in a hangout setting but you know it's at least at least not at that besides from that state house thing but you know i can certainly see it i can certainly see her being you know a pleasure to be around at a cookout if we're not talking politics stuff like that but you know it's nice to have that perspective but it's also nice to have to see the you know the politician more healy she's kind of more cutthroat she's more go after it i'm going to win this she there's one thing you can say about her she's out there she wants to win she is a she's a competitor yes um and i think what people saw and i pointed this out on a couple other uh uh shows i called into after the after the debate chris was people i think got a glimpse to what Haley's personality like is like and what her um what her uh emotional reactions can be like there's a few times in the debate that Minogue really got her and you saw that response that's what i try to go for most of the time if i ask her a tough question yeah there's sometimes where she's ready for it and you can tell that she's ready for it and she has like a good response she's good at that when she really knows but if she if she's caught off guard doesn't really know what she's talking about or especially in a debate setting which we saw and doesn't feel like her trump strategy is working you can see the emotional reaction to things so example of this was uh okay when they were talking about the federal tax scholarship thing right he she got a kind of annoyed and so she started doing the whole like you know well you know 1.7 billion dollars in tax credit isn't it isn't education plan mike you know that kind of stuff like snarky responses she got really upset with the integrity thing when mike mentioned uh it's about integrity and mentioned Lamar Cook and the two billion dollar Springfield courthouse deal she really took offense to that oh yeah and you can see the visible reaction there so i think what that's in this upcoming debate that's what mike really should try to go after still is one being more of the you know restrained not taking the bait on the Trump stuff like he did the first time but also really poking the bear in these things and mention it professionally and let her react unprofessionally Tim, you were there at the debate uh out in the lobby you saw them all come through describe the atmosphere yeah it was busy you know you got every station there every outlet you know all the reporters i'm typically in pools with from the Globe, WBUR, all the TV stations and uh you know We were all waiting for him to come out. Governor Healy came first. And I will say to her credit, you can say what you want about Governor Healy. There's certainly a lot to say about her. She does take questions most of the time. Sometimes she runs away when she doesn't want to. And you can definitely criticize her for that, as I have. And you can see the videos of her running from Tim Dunn on his Twitter account. Yes, you can. You can go to X @considermedunn But I would say most of the time she's not running away. But sometimes she does. But she didn't run away this time. She really had no choice. She was walking into a door full of the media. and uh and she did take questions i asked her um you know first outright you know i said governor you mentioned uh trump over 32 times in this debate is this getting a little old now you know and she didn't really answer that question and just went on you know to say how trump really is on the ballot MAGA Mike and i also got to ask her um this is actually important during the i think John Keller did a good job moderating i think he was pretty fair and he asked them both can you mention a blunder that you had in your your past and to Tim's credit he said you know as a parent I've had blunders uh as a CEO I've had blunders of course we're all human you know and governor Healy I you know Chris I think we were both in the wrong business she has not had a blunder wouldn't you know not one after all these things we just mentioned from energy costs to Lamar Cook to Springfield not one thing has gone wrong in her office and she doubled down on that when I asked her she essentially did you know she she in the debate she did the answer about like how her mom inspired her and kind of dodged it and then she went on to just mention why it's so important to run against Trump when I asked her about the blunder stuff so we'll try to get her on that again hopefully maybe WCDB has the cojones to ask her about it too but it's kind of like don't you know when you're going into it this is a job interview when you're going into a job interview don't you anticipate some form of that question is going to be asked yeah you're honestly doing yourself a disservice if you don't practice that at least in the car ride over okay what have I done wrong we all have to have the stock you know it can be cliche just have something right you know we're all human no essentially I should have opened that folder that the state police handed me before we hired Lamar Cook right I should have not approved the 31,000 buyout he got yeah you know that kind of stuff you know instead of just saying no I'm perfect that doesn't make anybody sound good right at all that's just basic manners in American culture right so you know that was really I think a mistake on her part and maybe it showed a little bit of her ego, well I think she I, I you know, as affable as I say she is, she also I, I see as somebody you can still enjoy someone's company but also they can be someone who doesn't think they're wrong at all, right? You know, and she's certainly I think one of those people, I think that's a sickness of politicians too, they they're trained now at this point to not ever admit you're wrong because that you know they're afraid of the whole, you know, I could get unelected now because of this, you know, or someone could take it and in a sound clip and you know cut it up and make it look whatever, right? Make it look like you know in other words when you explain it fully they could just put take the mistake part take your explanation out, but again at the end of the day you gotta, she's got a serious comms team around her, they can, they can handle a lot of that, but that was a, that was a, that's interesting insight from Tim Dunn, from the Boston Herald, Tim um, with the courthouse deal that really got her upset, yet she's doubling down saying she's saving the taxpayer money, but every, anybody on the surface can tell it's just a bad deal, it is a bad deal and Chris, what really surprised me, I actually reacted being like, oh well she said this, she really slammed the losing bidders, I mean that's just not something that seems, that's kosher really to do as a governor especially for supporting this deal, she, I think she said, if you want to be like, I'm gonna paraphrase and it was along the lines of like these cry baby sore loser bidders or something it was real go back and i didn't include the quotes in the end of my piece on the debate i didn't have the room but i really i was like wow that's that's going out after that i mean good luck with springfield now right you know i mean i guess you're just throwing springfield at the window because not even the mayor doesn't support it really virtually nobody out there does and was again these boston-based bigwigs are going to get this deal now in their town where they don't want it right for the price they don't want or nobody wants you know and it was smarter governor of a governor of hopefully governor minogue maybe someday um of mike minogue to point that out during the debate you know um saying you know this whole deal is just ridiculous how does this spell integrity and she you know i just think that that was another emotional reaction of her she got mad at that and she really lashed out at these losing bidders i thought that was notable um tim dunn is my guest tim um the john deaton um markey vote for the u.s senate where's that campaign at so it's kind of like a i don't want to say deadlock but you're kind of seeing over and over the same stuff and again i say this with all due respect to john deaton he's a great candidate but it really was an uphill battle just as it was probably against going against elizabeth warren you know it's just a hard thing to get out an entrenched 50-year incumbent from whether you know from just congress in general and Ned Markey and a couple terms of senator same thing with Warren you know they're entrenched they're very popular they're part of the you know they're one of the progressive figureheads yeah you know and to unseat that in Massachusetts it's a really hard thing and he's gone after it every way i think he did try to mix it up a little bit he went down to um to DC a couple weeks ago and uh into Maryland and they parked a billboard truck outside Markey's home pointing out how he's never here but you know i think you know we've seen Joe Kennedy the third did the same stuff the people who are supporting him there's clearly enough right they just don't care they want to hear they know they want to see him bring Bernie Sanders here and AOC here and in a primary they want to have a whole powwow about all these things you know and they they just want to hear green new deal progressive ideology so unless something magical happens unless there's a big October surprise you know I I unfortunately I I don't I see I probably would predict a Markey re-election at this point yeah I I'm with you on that I feel bad saying it um and there's there's time left you hope for John Deaton I think he's The great guy who's really experienced, a lawyer, former Marine Corps officer, drives a Tesla, self-driving Tesla. He drove me to my dialysis treatment one day. I like John Deaton, but I wonder if by not having a primary, it made it easier for him to get the nomination. But in the end, what's the nomination worth if you don't have enough name ID to overcome the incumbent? That's what I think. If he entered and had a primary opponent, it could have got him, you know, he would have won a debate. He would have won the primary. He would have had those commercials already out there instead of sitting and waiting. And instead, it kind of just gets old. Anyway, again, he had good ideas. He had the first inter-party primary debate with Seth Moulton. That was smart. You know, but he also had two kind of apples to go out, you know, after there at that point. Now it's just Markey. He crewed. I mean, again, I always point out this thing, too, that Chester Tan pointed out. I always steal the fact from him and his Twitter page. More Democrats voted for Seth Moulton to lose than Republicans voted in total in the Republican governor's race in the primary. And then it was like 250,000 voted for governor on the Republican side. And then it was 348,000 Democrats voted for Seth Moulton to lose. So you see the numbers that are really stacked against you here. You look at, I know there's a strategy a lot of people say, and they do it in the Democrat as well as the Republicans. But we're talking about the Republicans right now. uh they say well we don't want to have a primary i'm totally against that theory because yeah you don't spend money in the primary so you have it all in november but the reality of it is all the people who vote in the primary vote in november right you don't you don't vote in the primary to skip november so money invested in the primary victory is money invested earlier for the november victory right and again if you're if you're getting those people in the primary hooked on then they tell their friends at dinner time and their discussion the election coming up in three weeks from now right that it all helps you it's a it's a big wave that has to keep on building and you know that's what it is you can see in the ninth congressional district you had a primary between uh mr swallow from new bedford and bill keating and um bill keating really dominated that primary as you would have expected against the progressive and uh however tyler mcallister and nurse dan they decided not to have a primary nurse dan dropped out who came really close to knocking out keating relatively um and uh but he dropped out and decided to back tyler mcallister who in the end has raised 175 000 and is having a really hard time getting any traction right because keating's entrenched he doesn't have to answer you he doesn't do anything right and i think what the mistake is right the mistake almost is it's like you almost want if you're the if you're the lower party if you're the struggling party which the republicans are in this state yes you almost want a primary opponent so you can get your again your name propped up right it's the opposite if you're a democrat and you're in the majority party and you're settled and you're an incumbent you don't want a primary opponent you wanted to smooth sail on to the general yes so it's really the opposite if tyler mccallister was a democrat if he was keating then then yes then it'd be you know start celebrating when your primary opponent drops out opposite opposite thing nowadays with the primary i was talking to a democrat who's in a competitive election and um we were talking about it and his republican opponent had started out gangbusters knocking on doors but this guy's not knocking on doors and um he's got another type of campaign and my opinion is the republican noticed that his democrat opponent uh who's in the front wasn't knocking on doors and so i think he gave up doing it because maybe it's not something you have to do when the reality of it is republicans in massachusetts have to work twice three times as hard as the incumbent democrats yeah well not only because it's an incumbent they already have their regular duties they can get out press anyways but on top of that they're already the cream of the crop they're the biggest stars right you have to outshine them tremendously and it's non-stop so you know someone who's been doing a good job i think at that i and you know again she's got an uphill battle too is elizabeth dion she's really hammered away at a lot of stuff has given the press a lot of tips including me on big important stories about the treasurer and and actually what you see now is you seeing uh deb goldberg finally start reacting she actually put out a i think an ad or or said something or a statement saying that uh dion is like crazy and tied to a billionaire or something so she's reacting though but before that when dion wasn't as much of a threat yet was still building up these these um these different uh attacks against goldberg didn't react she did the typical incumbent playbook but she's really getting under her now which is a positive sign for him. We'll talk more about the Treasurer's List when we come back. Stick around more with Tim Dunn. You can reach him at 508-996-0500. South Coast Now with Chris McCarthy. Weekdays on 1420 AM and 99.5 FM. WBSM. Welcome back to the program. I'm Chris McCarthy. 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I didn't really get the whole gist of that, but- So I had Elizabeth Dion yesterday, and we talked about this billionaire thing. And she pointed out that her parents, she didn't inherit wealth. Her parents actually got a house foreclosed on when she was growing up. And so, and the fact is, and there's nothing wrong with this, but Deb Goldberg inherited hundreds of millions of dollars from the Stop & Shop for- I was going to say, it's an interesting thing to try to call out somebody for when you're literally the heiress to a fortune. Right. You know, and again, even if Liz Dion did inherit money, you know, she said she didn't, but even if she did, who cares? Right. When my parents die one day, I'm going to inherit their house. Right. You know, I mean, whoop-dee-doo. I inherited property. It's a great way to get ahead in life, to inherit property. Right? It is. I mean, it's a great plan. hopefully you know your plan your plans include inheriting a bunch of money but probably they don't i don't know but i i guess nowadays it means you can't run for office now i guess i i i'm too spoiled i guess you know i don't get that i mean again but you know when you have nothing to really throw back at somebody you start going for the mud that's why they call it mudslinging that's that's what she's doing it is um really interesting do we think that the republicans tim are going to pick up any seats here in the federal legislature in massachusetts i wouldn't bet on it right i mean again like you can you can hope for stuff i mean but you know we just mentioned how Tyler McAllister's having a a tough time and he's a great candidate you know yes he is and you know and again you never know i wouldn't say he's a total loss either you know but i i think it's really hard to to get somebody out like a Bill Keating who's been in office there since what 2012 and he's had public office way before that as well you know so it's really hard it's just a really hard thing um i think if if if Tyler has made any mistakes it is being too focused on what he knows best the fishing industry as opposed to all the other issues that most people care about i think most people do recognize the importance of the fishing industry but most people aren't employed in the fishing industry right and so opportunities for instance if you elect a Republican they get to work with Donald Trump which who makes all the federal budget executive decisions so if you vote for a Democrat like Bill Keating he's going to have to sign on to impeach Donald Trump exactly that's for an entire term that's right for the end of Trump's term is their entire term till they're re-elected again it's not like it's a Democrat senator candidate saying i you know for two of the six years of an office i'm going to battle Trump it's different right and so what you're saying is i'm going to vote for a Democrat who's going to impeach the president not that he maybe even wants to but he's going to be forced to go along with a gang and that's going to preclude them from getting any of the federal tax dollars back in the form of infrastructure like a new sewage treatment plant for one of the many communities emptying into Buzzards Bay you perfectly said perfectly summarized yeah um this hour is brought to you by the cold beer and the world's best chicken wings at Rose Alley Alehouse upstairs downstairs inside outside full menu all kinds of great stuff great beers great other drinks at Rose Alley Alehouse go have a couple of drinks kick the weekend off early or extend the weekend have a couple drinks make some mistakes at Rose Alley Alehouse we'll be right back welcome back to the program my guest for a few more minutes is Tim Dunn from the Boston Herald Tim Dunn if people want to follow you on social media how do they do it certainly it's on X it's at consider me done facebook Timmy Dunn and Truth Social uh at tim dunn underscore boss Herald uh we've got got a number of ballot questions question one is a Diana Desaglio question what do you think they'll pass i think so i think you saw 72 last time i think people are going to want the you know they're going to want an audit again they're going to want to have these things done right and make the governor subject to it and everybody else subjected to it what about question nine put on by the gun the civil rights community uh that needs a uh we want to vote no on question nine if you support civil rights what do you think is going to happen if i'm going by the lawn sign test it seems pretty even you know i mean obviously depending where you go down here i see no more no on nine signs in the Cape More no on nine signs but the closer i get my commute to Boston i see a lot more yes on nines and i'm getting equal emails too so that seems down the middle to me um the um the question on the tax question five which is about limiting the amount of revenue the state of Massachusetts could take from the taxpayers before they have to give a rebate um that's back and forth i think it's back and forth but i think you see that in messaging i think that the state you know people who are probably you know for keeping that away they're probably paying some different groups to really pump that message of vote against it but i think if you're going to you know i think what the voters really want is to have a bit more ease in their pocketbook so i think you're going to see that but again as we learned in Mass they can vote it for 100 and they they say go screw we're not going to do it tim thanks so much for coming in thanks chris all right bostonherald.com check out his articles guys stick around for barry he was just watching the sean oliver uh debate with kim driscoll for lieutenant governor on wgbh and he was listening to it and watching the simulcast of it. So Tim, Tim, we thanks. Thanks. Barry will have all that coming up next and a whole lot more. So stick around for Barry Richard. God willing, I'll be back tomorrow. Have a great day.