Game and Grub Episode 3: Arby's The Gobbler/ Breath of the Wild

Game and Grub. Hello and welcome to Game and Grub, where we play with our food. I'm your host, Jonathan, and with me as always is my co-host, Jaime. And today, uh, we had some food, and we played some games. Yes. As always. As always. What did, uh, what did you have? Well, you know, the leaves are changing color, there's cranberries all over the grocery stores. It's fall. It's fall. Everyone's sipping on pumpkin spice and wearing their Ugg boots. Starbucks just put out their holiday drinks. You know, it tis the season. Tis the season. So we figured we'd get into the Thanksgiving season. And we went to Arby's, who has these very special Thanksgiving sandwiches. I had the Cajun Deep Fried Turkey Club, and you had the... I had the Gobbler. Yes. And of course, you know, if you're in the mood for Thanksgiving, Arby's is the first place that comes to mind. They have the meats, I'm told. No, but they've been doing this thing recently where they've been expanding from roast beef the last couple of years. I mean, they've always had like deli meat turkey, but they're doing like hot meats, other hot meats. And the deep fried turkey is fairly new. I don't know how old the deep fried turkey sandwiches are, the one that you got. But I'm pretty sure it's the same turkey on the Gobbler, which is a Thanksgiving dinner themed sandwich. Which, let's talk about the turkey. Because both of you and I, we're big Arby apologists. Like, I feel that among our friends, I think we're the only two that like it. Oh, maybe. Yeah. There's some other people who like Arby's. But I feel like when I'm looking out into the world and I mention the word Arby's, people, like, get a little squeamish. They don't want to. They're like, Arby's. Ugh. Yeah, there's, it's been maligned. And I think, in some cases, for good reason. but i feel that there are things that Arby's does better than a lot of other places i think their condiments amazing i don't think you can get better than an Arby's sauce i think it's a perfect condiment it's like the best iteration of ketchup that anyone's ever made well i mean it's barbecue sauce it's a barbecue sauce it's like a vinegary uh well i guess it's like a North Carolina barbecue sauce then the vinegary kind well that's where they make Arby's is it's bar becue no it's america's roast beef that's what Arby's that Arby's i i that blew my mind recently and that's really oh yeah is it america's i always assumed it was like uh a child who couldn't say barbecue no no so like i was like i want some Arby's i'm putting america in there but it's not america it's roast beef so r a r also you can also read it as r and then b's uh it's a b so roast beef Arby's it's like so Arby's and so it was just Arby uh-huh and they're like well it's Arby's okay i thought it was uh like amalgamation of barbecue when they came out with the RBQ sandwich sure because RBQ sounds more like barbecue already yeah you just add a q at the end and you just put a bar at the beginning here lies the crux of Arby's that we kind of discovered the hard way for lunch today is that when they deviate when they try new things they fail i think i i think that both of our sandwiches we'll we'll get into what we didn't like about our sandwiches in a second but like the beef and cheddar it's onion bun roast beef cheddar sauce and Arby's sauce and it's a perfect sandwich phenomenal it's like what we usually get when we go it's one of my favorite things even as a kid like we'd go to Arby's the the beef and cheddar is just like a like a hallmark oh totally and you can't it's hard to beat the beef and cheddar Every once in a while, I'll deviate when I visit Arby's and I'll get something else and I'm never as satisfied because the Arby's is such a great sandwich. You know, you've got a place like Chick-fil-A. You've got a place like In-N-Out where they have like essentially one thing on the menu. And they don't deviate from that because they've figured it out. And I think the cynical thing that Arby's has done in recent years is that they keep adding things to the menu that don't really need to be there. Just improve on what you have. I think, you know, definitely go back to basics with the Arby's thing. you do roast beef no one else does roast beef they've got the roast beef market cornered they just have to uh i think go back to the the essentials the you know and it's hard to improve on something like the like the beef and cheddar because it's such a perfect sandwich yeah but pretty much all of their roast beef sandwiches are pretty phenomenal the brisket sandwich the brisket sandwich is delicious and that's just a sort of step up from your typical uh roast beef totally uh and again a lot maybe they're trying to like i do think though that the turkey if If you just, if you just, and I pulled off on the second half of the gobbler, just a slice of the turkey, just to make sure that this wasn't. What was on your sandwich? All right. So the gobbler, uh, is two slices of their, uh, it's like a wheat, uh, bread. Mm-hmm. Um, it's their typical, like, market fresh bread that they do for all their little, uh, like, sandwiches. Uh, on one side was spread, uh, some brown mustard. Some really nice, uh, it wasn't. Like a deli mustard. Yeah. Yeah. Then there was some Swiss cheese, lettuce, there was lettuce, tomato, Swiss cheese, turkey. And on the bottom bun was this cranberry jelly, I'd call it. It definitely wasn't, like, it was cranberry sauce adjacent, but you had a little nibble. It was extremely sweet. It tasted like pure candy. Yeah. Like, it didn't really even have, it tasted more like raspberries than it did like cranberries, because it was just so incredibly sweet. And when I've had Thanksgiving-themed sandwiches before, or like a Thanksgiving-themed wrap, or just making something with leftovers, that I'll usually use. Like, I like cranberry sauce. Yes. Because it's got this sort of bitter tartness that meshes well with the over-savory turkey. Like a turkey that is done halfway decently, and you have the dark meat. It's extremely rich. the cranberry sauce sort of balances that out and you mix it with like some uh stuffing that's maybe got some celery in it for a little crunch between uh in a tortilla on a piece of bread whatever it it's it's delicious it's a perfect sandwich everyone i think people at this point probably look forward to their leftover sandwich more than the actual meal i know i do uh the turkey carries it um on this sandwich the cranberry sauce was doing too much work and i think it was overpower and there was a lot of it on oh yeah there was there were like two or three ounces of the stuff it was like oozing out yep and from what it looked like it looked like it was just kind of shoehorned in there because other than the turkey there's not too much thanksgiving about it like it's yeah it was turkey swiss cheese tomato lettuce uh there was bacon on it i forgot to mention this sandwich has bacon on yeah uh and then again dijon dijon mustard like it was a I mean, it would make a really great sandwich without the cranberry sauce. It wasn't an improvement. Usually cranberry sauce can tie a Thanksgiving sandwich together. It matches all those flavors and balances them out. Here it was just super overpowering. So I have to knock points off of the Gobbler as the sort of Franken-sandwich. Though it seems kind of like an afterthought. It doesn't know what it wants to be, I think. And mine was a little bit more focused. uh not to say it was better i had the cajun deep fried turkey club now it's you had there are two deep fried turkey sandwiches and i believe it's the same turkey that's on the gobbler, is it a thick slice of turkey, the turkey's pretty good like a little brown kind of crust on the edge it was uh kind of smoky i've had deep fried turkey i think it's overrated but this did not taste like deep fried turkey if you're going in thinking oh i'm gonna get deep fried turkey you're gonna be disappointed i think that's just a marketing term that they that they decided to to cash in on but um i mean what what does deep fried mean just by definition well deep fried is you drop the turkey in hot oil and you fry it it's i think in general like it's a gimmick yeah does the deep frying process like you're the you're the resident you're our game and president cook sure uh chef cook is maker cook is fine chef has chef's kind of a loaded term and i would never call myself a chef um does the deep frying process do anything more to the outside anything more than just the outside because they don't make the outside like super crisp and short uh wonderful but does it just like heat the inside like any like an oven would it cooks it like any uh other manner is going to do i find that the uh skin is overcooked when you deep fry it um it gets uh pretty crispy though it gets like potato chip crisp but you can also get your skin pretty crispy in the oven does anything happen to the inside of the turkey though no meat no so the meat is is pretty much the same these sandwiches they're sliced sliced turkey yeah so the only bit of the skin like the the reason you deep fry turkey in my opinion uh is a piece with all the skin on it is you'd have the uh the skin on breast or you'd have the drumstick uh or like a wing or something yeah and those those have the skin on it like you get the full experience oh totally this is sliced so it's just yeah just around the edges if there was like a layer of like because i think you know if you ask me what my favorite part of a turkey is it's turkey skin i love really perfectly roasted turkey skin i think it has a lot of flavor and and it's just awesome um i have family that picks it off their turkey and i'm like why would you do that and but i'm more than happy that they do because i get to pluck it off their plate and i get to eat it um so if there was a layer they would never do this but if they actually in the sandwich took a layer of turkey skin and put it on top of the actual turkey then i could probably buy the turkey the deep fried turkey can see a little bit more but what it tasted like was just regular old deli meat but then they put this like really horrible like spice mix in it and luckily i didn't get it in every bite um i got it kind of like near the end especially it was like this weird uh blend of uh seeds and i got celery salt which was not a flavor i wanted to eat in this sandwich um i can see why they probably went for it because it does kind of faintly taste like celery and to a lot of people when you're cooking like onions and celery for your stuffing that's kind of like the Thanksgiving smell people think Yeah, that's a combination. I always feel like celery is more of a texture food than a flavor food. Oh, totally, but the smell that it gives when it's cooked off with some herbs. So they're going for a classic family meal turkey vibe with this turkey. But it is, it's sliced turkey. And it's not like their deli meat turkey, like you'd get in a turkey sandwich if you got the turkey club. Yeah, they have like a lighter beef and cheddar you can get with turkey. Yeah, it's not that turkey. It's like a slice of turkey that you'd pull off of an actual bread. And I gotta say, if it's not real turkey, it's a pretty fair approximate. It does feel like eating a slice of turkey breast. It was definitely the king of the meal we had. Yeah. But that said, my sandwich was not very good. It had deep fried onions, it had lettuce and tomato, and then this weird Cajun sauce, which did not taste very Cajun to me. Okay. I expected something kind of like a mayonnaise... It had like some like Old Bay type seasoning, you know, that you would get like at like a Long John Silver's or something like that. I did not get that. I don't even know how to describe the flavor other than that weird kind of celery salt flavor. And it wasn't terribly pleasant. You said it was a little weak. I feel like Cajun is a style of food that's supposed to have some kick to it, like the Louisiana chicken at Popeye's. Totally. This is bland. This is bland as heck. um again i will say that the turkey was a high point though um and i probably should have done what you did you kind of gave up near the end and you plucked off the turkey off your sandwich which i thought was pretty inspired well i was i was just trying to see if without the cranberry sauce this sandwich uh was was still good did you have a piece of turkey with just turkey with cranberry sauce yeah was that okay um it was all right it was just the uh the cranberry sauce was so sweet yeah it didn't it didn't do what it's supposed to do in that flavor combination i touched your uh sandwich wrapper with like a finger and just kind of took a little dab and i tried that and that it was foul it was a foul cranberry sauce and i did not enjoy it too too too sweet on this turkey sandwich was foul yeah i'm gonna turn off the mic in a second and have a long talk with jonathan over uh his use of puns because it's getting out of hand no no it's it's fine um so i think we're both a little talked out about these sandwiches i think it's time to rate um how are we gonna rate these you know i discovered recently and i don't know if anybody knows this and i feel like i'm the last person to know this but the guy who does the voiceovers and the arby's commercials is Ving Rhames celebrated actor Ving Rhames yeah so why don't we make our rating system Ving Rhames? Kind of like we did with Dan from Del Taco? It was Dan from Del Taco. We called him Dave. That was corrected. It was Dan from Del Taco. It was Dan from Del Taco. Actor Greg Brinkley. And we also rated based on Roman Emperors. Roman Emperors for Little Caesars. Nero, Caligula. You know what? Ving Rhames in a cowboy hat. We're going to rate these sandwiches. I'm just, you've painted a beautiful word picture. Yeah, and I think it's gonna make a great photoshop that I'm gonna try to do. Yeah, cause now I'm picturing, it's not just like Ving Rhames, it's his character from Mission Impossible where he's kinda like a, I've had it with this ----, like you guys are too ridiculous, I'm getting too old for this, Ving Rhames in a cowboy hat. Alright I'm gonna, why don't you start with the goblin? Well I, I wouldn't dare cut Ving Rhames in half Okay. Um You know what? I'll say this. If you did cut Ving Rhames in half, whatever half you pick could totally kick our asses. Yeah, no. I actually wouldn't be able to get through cutting Ving Rhames in half because he would just destroy me while I tried. Oh, totally. With his... Not even with his... Just by talking, he'd be able to scare you into... Yeah. It would be no contest. Yeah, yeah. I'm going to give... And I'm taking into account the curly fries, which came with the meal. You can't take it. We're going to rate the sandwich. Just the sandwich. Just the sandwich. All right. Because curly fries are always delicious. Like I said, Arby's wins. Yeah. Arby's wins automatically. Like, just the curly fries would bump it up to three out of five on its own. Okay. But not including the curly fries. Because I want to give the sandwich credit for its ability to stand on its own without the cranberry sauce. Like, you could order the gobbler with no cranberry, and it would be a delicious sandwich. But then it's not the gobbler. It's this other thing that isn't a thing that exists. I suppose. I'm going to give it two out of five Ving Rhames and Cowboy Hat. Two out of five Ving Rhames. I got the Cajun Deep Fried Turkey Club. I'm going to give it... You know what? I think I'm going to give mine also. I'm going to give it two Ving Rhames. We're going to have four Ving Rhames. They can start a band if they want. A country music band. Kind of like a Hootie and the Blowfish situation. Okay, okay. A very bass-heavy country band. Yes. They all play bass and they all do vocals Uh you wouldn't have You wouldn't be able to do any like high High Dolly Parton songs No no no no And I will always love you That's Whitney Houston What? No she that was her song Whitney Houston covered it Shaking my damn head Yeah but who made it famous Dolly Parton it was It was a big hit when she did it It was like what made her a star oh my god We're not gonna go on a tangent with Dolly Parton before we but we can't talk about Arby's we got to touch on Arby's there's no how could how could we do an episode of Game and Grub uh a podcast about food and gaming and not just talk about the juggernaut that is Arby's PR oh totally their their meme game is so strong it's untouchable you know i feel that are there are some companies that are rushing to like copy yeah Arby's now and they can't do it they can't they're not even close because the only place that came close uh just in terms of being entertaining was Wendy's yeah the Wendy's twitter account was like sassily reply but i'm talking like the kind of effort that goes into an Arby's post and it's always timely you know when they uh that when they when they when uh just this last week they took all of the guardians from Breath of the Wild yeah and turned them into out of cutouts and so if you've been living under a rock or uh don't know about Arby's uh online because i don't they don't play these on tv or no no no no it is exclusively on twitter facebook and probably instagram probably all the all the social media sites Arby's will will put up uh pictures videos or ads uh that are gaming or pop culture figures a lot of times they're it's basically they they make it out of uh either cardboard like Arby's wrappers uh sometimes they'll use uh like Arby's sauce and horsey sauce to like paint a picture sure it's very creatively done that it's all done with basically you could walk into an Arby's and recreate this art oh yeah sometimes they do like hot glue and a scalpel sometimes they do like stop motion animation yeah it's really cool and some and there are like a deep cuts too i remember one time they did Half-Life 2 yeah like who is this for they clearly know their audience yeah they i mean they definitely know their audience uh because i i mean there was a time i think it was it was probably about a year ago uh because that's when Pokemon Sun and Moon came out and i remember uh got it at midnight and i was playing it with my other friend who we uh we play pokemon tournaments and stuff shout out to at that's a plus one and so we were just playing through we kind of just marathon the game to get to the end to start training to start preparing for any tournaments we might enter and so we were just chilling uh several hours in to pokemon playthrough and i saw a tweet from Arby's that was all the new starters like drawn out in sauce and it said like who do you pick and we stopped playing Pokemon and we drove to Arby's and we had lunch yeah and it works it totally works uh you know anytime i think i'm not craving Arby's i'm usually craving Arby's when i see one of those things and you know now it's almost this weird uh tradition now where a game will come out yep i'll after work i'll go get it and then i'll get Arby's because you know i will listen i know that it's all a cynical cash grab i know that these companies are doing it but at least it's high quality yeah you know no and it definitely it takes time and whoever is doing it uh like if i didn't go to Arby's if like the if the effort that they put into this didn't pay off for Arby's that person would be like fired or they go in a different direction totally so we know it's effective people share it people respond to it it's great and it's not just uh games either although the games is the part that we focus on i mean there was uh one for like the Westworld finale uh i saw one for JoJo's Bizarre Adventure which was like a kind of a deep cut for oh they do a lot of anime anyone who doesn't like know that particular anime it was like the recent episode i think they did a Dragon Ball Z Super one that they just anything that's happening in pop like something like is a semi-major event in pop culture of any variety like it could be music movies TV shows anime manga video games like Arby's is on it and i think they deserve credit for that totally plus they make good food Arby's is the king of online memes skip the turkey sandwiches go go for the beef go for the beef and cheddar you can't beat the beef and cheddar if you're on a budget get the sliders those are pretty good also delicious uh there's a roast beef slider it's it's their roast beef the most perfect thing that they make uh and i think it's like a dollar fifty so and when you go ask for extra Arby's sauce because that stuff is amazing on french fries all right you know what did we play this week hold on when we come back we're gonna get wild okay let's roll thank you for being a friend travel down the road and back again your heart is true you're a pal and a confidant and we're back and we just spent about 10 minutes yawning not because the show is boring because it's not it's always high flying but we both consumed turkey for lunch and because we think it's actual turkey uh we're both getting a little bit sleepy a little bit you know a little drowsy so the tryptophan is definitely getting to us but it's hard not to be excited when we're talking Zelda: Breath of the Wild, one of my favorite games this year honestly and this has been a big year for games too, so oh especially like the the Switch and Odyssey just came out, that's a fantastic game uh i mean i've enjoyed i've enjoyed so many games this year yeah it's a great and the year's not even over, there's still some a few games on the horizon that i'm looking forward to yeah uh we will talk about those in future episodes of course and you know we usually talk about we've talked the last last couple episodes we talked about a very current game or something that's in gaming news currently like Stardew Valley just was ported to the Switch uh Breath of the Wild DLC is coming out this it might be out by the time this airs uh so and that's the uh the second DLC for Breath of the Wild which i mean it's pretty cool that Nintendo is sort of jumping into the DLC market and in the way that they are i think they started on some Wii U games that was like the first time ever that i recall Nintendo actually doing uh downloadable content as sort of an expansion to their games which other companies have been doing forever yeah and they're i think they're pretty respectable as far as what you know how they handle DLC i remember that when uh Smash Brothers for Wii U came out there was a lot of great DLC there and it was pretty affordable and it wasn't yeah shoved down our throats and it wasn't something that could have easily have been in the actual game that they just held back to be you know terrible yeah when some of the stuff was fans voted on what characters should be in Smash Brothers, and those characters were added to Smash Brothers. Yeah, except for Geno. He got a weird suit, though. A weird Mii suit, because he was always on the top of the charts, but the logistics of getting Geno in a Smash Brothers game would have been a little bit complicated. But we're not going to talk about Geno. We're going to talk about Zelda, because that was a big game. And I think everyone's kind of talked out about Zelda, but I think what we want to touch on is you know it's different than a lot of other Zeldas uh it's different than every other Zelda pretty much yeah i mean it's got elements from every other Zelda sure uh it definitely feels Zelda-ish it's the first one with like uh quest trackers and the thing about Zelda is a lot of times when it takes chances it's not good i think probably the most maligned Zelda is Zelda 2 the Adventure of Link which is you know i don't think it's even playable i it's it's a rough playthrough I mean, I know some people who get through it, and they like it, but they also, they like weird RPGs. Like, they're not, they wouldn't, like, play every Zelda game like I do. They play Zelda 2 because Zelda 2 is similar to other games that they play. Yeah, it's, even, like, looking at it, it's hard to even look at it. It's not, it's not a nice game. And then, another one that I don't think is a bad game, but certainly maligned, is Majora's Mask. where it kind of deviated from the Zelda pattern and introduced this really challenging time concept. And Majora's Mask is one of those games that you either love it or hate it. I guess I haven't experienced that out in the world, mostly because I love it so much that when I talk about it and love it, if other people hate it, they either keep it to themselves or I block it out of my memory immediately. And to that effect, I don't hate it, but it's not for me. Okay. I've tried playing it. I bought the remake when it came out. Yeah. Which did actually make it a little bit more streamlined, a little bit easier to pick up and play. But it was still too hard. I'm also not very good at video games. Okay. I don't... If a game starts feeling like homework, I usually clock out. And that's what Majora's Mask felt like. I do remember it being a bit challenging towards the end. um and some of the puzzle mechanics those and it there was just there was a little bit of added pressure with the time mechanic but basically uh you could reset the cycle i've i've played it through on the challenge mode where uh you have to do the whole game in four cycles the first one uh is the Deku Deku Link cycle so it barely counts uh because you basically have to go through a full cycle there but you have basically three times to to go through uh to to finish the game And you don't have to 100% it. Although I think it's possible to 100%. You get all the masks. But I don't think you have to do literally everything. I, oh. See, Zelda Breath of the Wild is challenging, but it's also, it's forgiving. It's, you can easily take little bites. You can easily pace yourself. You can easily make Link, you know, stronger and more, and get better weapons. Yeah, I had a friend who was telling me that, like, This whole game is hard until they bought the knight's armor, which is, like, the first... One of the first armors that you could buy in one of the first towns that there's armor in, is just this metal armor that just makes you much more durable. And that's towards the beginning of the game. You only got three hearts. It's easy to get hurt enough to accidentally die. Oh, totally. But the game's pretty forgiving about you dying. Here's a good question. How many times did you die before you left the first area? oh i mean i explored a lot uh i died a lot more times on master mode trying to get through the first area okay uh because you basically can't defeat enemies if we talk about the dlc master mode uh uh basically all of the enemies uh your basic enemy model has tiers there's like the red one's the weakest and there's like blue and black and white uh they were like they started off black uh or blue or they started off like a high level so if you just have like your stick like the weapons around the starting area are just like sticks and stuff. Or rusted swords. You cannot do enough damage, even if you dodged every time and hit every thing, all your weapons would break before you actually got through their health bar. So you've gotta knock them off cliffs or just dodge them. And so I died a lot in the beginning of that. The beginning area, I was still learning the game. I fell off a cliff several times. I don't know how many times I've died, because I stopped counting, but I spent the first time, and this isn't in the DLC. This is the regular old game. I spent about two hours in just the first area. Just because I... Well, first of all, I really wanted to kind of explore everything. And when you explore everything, you know, the game lets you go anywhere you want. And there's a lot of places in the first area that, if you're not prepared, you will die instantly. You will die quickly either because of frostbite. You only have three hearts at that point. Or you will die because the enemies will get you really good. Yeah, I definitely would recommend... Because I'm the type of person who, in a game that is sort of sandbox, like Breath of the Wild is, but that gives you mission markers, whether it's, I mean, there's so many games in the last 10 years have had that model. The sort of GTA Assassin's Creed, like here's your open world, here's your quest marker, but you can do side missions everywhere else. Spider-Man 2 was a game that I played a ton of, and it had that basic sandbox model. It tells you, like, go to the Temple of Time. The first thing you do, go to the Temple of Time. It's right over there. It's not far. I wanted to go literally everywhere else first, just in case there was a secret that I wanted to collect before I continued with the main... And guess what? There is a secret. There's a secret everywhere. That's the thing about Breath of the Wild. Every inch of it is covered in secrets and covered in something useful. I don't know if there's a tile in any of the massive world of Hyrule in this game that you can't get at least one pretty big thing, whether it's a Korok Seed, whether it's a heart container, whether it's a weapon or a piece of armor or whatever. But the game looks beautiful. It sounds beautiful. There's so much to do. There's so much to do, even if you're not doing anything. Yeah. There were times that I had an hour to play, maybe, or not a lot of time. Like, if I wanted to do a dungeon or go to a bunch of shrines, I usually made sure if I'm playing that I have several hours to play if I'm doing, like, a gaming session. But when I'm just pulling out my Switch in, like, handheld mode or I only have a couple minutes to play, like, a half hour or an hour maybe, I would just go and, like, harvest mushrooms. Or I would stock up on supplies for my next adventure. And that was fun for me. Yeah, it's got, like, a weird almost Oregon Trail vibe. like you have to you know before you set out it's good to start making a few potions it's good to uh cook a few uh you know spicy pepper steaks or or some a monster cake or some crepes or something to get you going so that way you are uh prepared for for your big adventure through whether you're marching up the mountains or yeah or down into the desert it's so so so great i am a big defender of the game i know i know there are a few Zelda fans that didn't like the direction because it was so wildly different i like the chances that Nintendo took and i hope to see another Zelda Breath of the Wild like game in the future what would you like to see in a sequel if they do go back well i want to argue with those people that you're talking about who say it's so different because i don't think that it is that different i would argue that this game feels and plays a lot more especially in the freedom aspect like the original Legend of Zelda in the original Legend of Zelda old man tosses a sword at you and you free roam the map you can go wherever you want you can do the dungeons except for a couple in any order there's not a there's not like a set you have to do this one first this one's first this one next like there's a wreck there's a there's a good order to do them in yeah because you'll collect the items from them but there's not a there's not a requirement like the other other Zelda games have been much more linear Wind Waker in particular I'm thinking like there you do all of the dungeons in a very particular order except for the two temples but there's only two of them and you just do one after the other whichever one you decide that I think the non-linear aspect is something that they are are going back to I think the original Zelda game you know was more like that Link Between Worlds also is pretty non-linear like once you reach a certain point you would basically got to you know go to whatever dungeon you wanted to at that point yeah and i think they kind of brought that they may i mean they took it to the next level with Breath of the Wild because Breath of the Wild is like completely non-linear i think um a different type of weapon durability system in a sequel is what i would like to see yeah not that i dislike the weapon system in this i just i ended up favoring some weapons over others because i know i can always find like a Lizalfos blade, or I can always find a Soldier's Claymore, but the Edge of Duality, I've only ever found two of those, and I was so afraid to lose durability on them that they're hanging up in my house. I hate the weapon system. It got old real quick. And, you know, I made due, and I finally, you know, got used to it. But that's gotta go. There either has to be a system where I'm able to forge weapons myself. Yes. like if i can if i can uh you know add some sort of like durability by like you know pounding in some iron or diamond or whatever into the weapon okay but every weapon what what you know no matter how good or bad it is if it's gonna break on me i oh it's such a it's such a hassle and i and it's it's one of those uh hassles that feels like homework and i don't it's not fun for me so uh definitely if there was one thing that i don't like about this game it's the weapon durability yeah and i mean and honestly that's the only thing i don't like yeah i don't i i am much more forgiving about it than you are because i understand like it's a procuring site type of thing yeah um and the weapons that i do like i keep them stored in my house or stored in the back of my inventory and if things like really start to get dangerous then yeah i'll pull out my guardian sword which i've been saving for like a bad event but that's it's the annoying way that i play video games is that uh you'll like even in an rpg you'll get something like a phoenix down or a potion or uh something like that's a good item uh and i will be like nervous to use it because like what if what if there's like a dangerous part that i need to save this for and at the end of the game i have all these like cool things that i never used because i was too scared to to use them and so that's the same way that all i think i mentioned the edgy duo there's a couple other like really there's only like a few of them in the game uh good weapons uh flaming broadswords are not too easy to find and i i have one of those uh that i'm afraid to use but you know when you find the silver lionel and he, you didn't mean to find him, you didn't want to find him but he has found you and uh you gotta take him down, you know it's time to reach into the back of your inventory, pull out your good weapons, I also missed a lot of the traditional Zelda weapons that you get in a lot of games um yeah I, I missed that, I would love it if you know it wasn't just melee weapons, I wish that you got some kind of tactical weapons that you get in a lot of the other games, you know in the typical dungeon progression system and I would actually like a return to the dungeon progression system, I I yeah I don't hate, I don't hate that we only had four, you know, four real dungeons, I don't mind the shrines, I thought the shrines were a good idea but I would have easily traded in you know, 40 shrines to get two more dungeons. two more standard dungeons and dungeons that didn't run together I thought the Guardian Beasts kind of you know, after... they did. They felt too similar when I went to the Shadow Temple versus the Spirit Temple, they feel completely different. Oh, totally. Just no Water Temples we never need to play a Water Temple again. I don't think anybody does the Water Temple I played through most recently was uh the Twilight Princess water temple yes and i and i enjoyed it yes and bring back Ganondorf bring back i miss him it's been so long since we've actually seen the the last time was Twilight Princess i think it's been Twilight Princess we've seen and i don't want to you know spoiler alert the last uh boss of this is uh well they talk about it in the game Calamity Ganon but it's basically just like a big you know shadow monster like it's not well it's the i think when what Skyward Sword did was sort of gave us the origin of the for lack of a better term the Legend of Zelda yeah yeah uh that it's like a cyclical thing like there was an evil guy who had like the orange hair and was like so evil it's the only way to defeat him such a stupid story because it's cyclical like yeah oh and that's i mean i why i like it i think it makes sense it's great for a video game okay Ganondorf came from this guy but where did this guy come from well this it was the it was the origin like you were just you were just a dude chillin who is who is Demise who is Demise he's just a just a just a bad just just a spicy boy okay and who he's a spicy boy who is who is Ganondorf uh king of Gerudos yeah he's the king he was the reincarnation there's one there's one born every 100 years he has a backstory he's got a motivation that he kind of touched on in Wind Waker He's the reincarnation of Demise's essence. Yeah, but what is Demise's motivation? He's just a bad guy. There's nothing there. It's a non- character. I was hoping oh, we're going to get to see the origin of Zelda, but again, it was ham-fisted. It was as far as I'm concerned, that wasn't the origin because unless you tell me where Demise came from, it's not an origin. You're just setting the bar back a little. You're right. I would like a more complex villain in the next Zelda game. Or give us Ganondorf. Ganondorf is a perfect video game villain. I would love to get more on him. When you're fighting him, the speech that he makes right before you fight him in Wind Waker. It's one of the best written speeches in all of video game history, I think. When he talks about how it was all... He wasn't just fighting for himself, he was fighting for his people. And, you know, there's even... I won't get into it. You're a Ganondorf apologist? I am a... Listen, Ganondorf did nothing wrong. I'll say it right here. uh you and my brother would get along yeah he mains ganondorf in any possible that too oh you just reminded me i i hate i was about to curse i hate that ganondorf this amazing character is a Captain Falcon clone he could have easily gotten an awesome moveset uh for himself i would love my dream and this is why i'll never do it because i like it i would love it if uh old timey trident Ganon was a character in Super Smash Brothers oh you know the blue yeah pig monster with like his trident yep that would be amazing uh they won't do it because i want it maybe you'll hit the smash ball and turn into that i don't want to smash i want an actual character that has a trident and he uses lightning attacks he could be the size of uh King Dedede or Bowser totally and he would be like a heavy character just like them but he'd have like a trident uh but let's not talk about our game wishes that's that'll we'll be here till tuesday uh you know it is tuesday technically it is Tuesday but I'm talking we record on Saturdays we release on Tuesdays so let's rate what are we going to rate uh oh yeah Breath of the Wild who's your favorite who's your favorite character in Breath of the Wild uh in Breath of the Wild my favorite character what's the name of that Goron fail son oh uh Daruk no Daruk's the Daruk's the big guy um shoot I don't know okay we're just gonna we're just let's just rate Breath of the Wild in Goron fail sons because that's how much of a fail son he is we don't even know his name well my uh Sidon Sidon is my favorite character yeah Prince Sidon yeah he's pretty cool i'm still disappointed that they're giving amiibos to every other character but Prince Sidon he's the only one who deserves an amiibo with his brilliant his nice guy pose how many fail sons are you giving this uh oh five out of five five out of five yeah i i'm i still play this game i'm still gonna jump into it i open it up i just i want to sit in my house i want to go collect an iron shroom i want to go just fight Lynels this game uh is something that like i'll i'll keep picking up and play and i don't do that for other Zelda games like i haven't uh i haven't touched Ocarina of Time in a while uh i haven't touched Wind Waker since uh i replayed through the HD version um but this one i keep coming back to and it's you know it's been several months i'm gonna give it four out of five okay uh it is great it is what i wanted out of a Zelda game i wanted something new but i wanted it to feel reasonably similar uh i don't i like i like it when Nintendo takes chances but i don't like it when i take too big a chance i think i think this was a very uh measured chance so i'm gonna give it four, for and fail sons, it's got a few annoyances but i think that the next time around if they do decide to go the Breath of the Wild route again um i will i will be more than happy to uh to jump in again and do that all right you know what we're both very sleepy yeah i think we could both use uh some game fuel absolutely so when we come back let's get a caffeinated beverage when we come back we're gonna we're gonna go we're gonna go shoot up some uh some caffeine we're gonna do the do we're gonna do the do and then we're gonna be back and we're gonna talk about it oh man oh man oh man what am i gonna do Monsters they're here they found me and we're back and we're wired oh so wired like oh my gosh i'm not jittery yet neither am i because i i mainline espresso every day and i didn't have my coffee this morning before coming but i think i'm covered for at least tomorrow because we both had uh we tried two different game fuel flavors but yeah game fuel uh is the style of Mountain Dew that uh sometimes comes along as a promotional item for different video games uh we had a tropical smash which is blue no tropical smash is the yellow oh tropical smash was and uh art i think it was Arctic Thunder was the blue one these are two i think they're new flavors of game fuel because i haven't seen them before and I will often glance at the Mountain Dew section of a store or a bodega or a 7-Eleven as they're sometimes called and I'll see the Mountain Dews that are there and I don't usually see these two particular flavors. And I always walk past the Mountain Dew section as quick as I can because it's haunted to me. I don't like Mountain Dew. I don't, you know, I love soda. it's my vice I think because soda is pretty unhealthy but the one I won't drink is Mountain Dew and all of its different iterations because they're usually super super super sweet it's like drinking maple syrup it's not fun but that said I do enjoy Mountain Dew I'm a big fan of Mountain Dew Classic I'll drink a Code Red I like the original Game Fuel that came out I want to say the first game that GameFuel was paired with was Halo 3. We don't do research on this show. We do research after this show to give you a solid corrections schedule next week. It's better to ask for apologies than to ask for permission. I believe it's better to ask forgiveness than permission. There we go. See? If I did research, I would know that, but I don't do research, so I just went for it. Probably ask permission a lot. Never. Never? Never. Okay. well I believe it was Halo 3 and it was uh the orange game fuel it's like bright dark it's like a red orange uh in color it's uh orangish in flavor more orange than like the typical Mountain Dew flavor and it has like Mountain Dew already highest caffeine content of any soda that you can get today game fuel like five grams more caffeine per serving than Mountain Dew so For someone who's going to be gaming all night, or if you're going to be playing a lot of video games, you need to be awake and alert and ready to score some points. Game Fuel is definitely a plus, and I love the original flavor of Game Fuel. I recently found out today, I probably remembered from the last time I was at an Arby's, but today we went to Arby's, as discussed earlier in this episode. They have the orange Game Fuel in the fountain. I don't know if that's at Arby's everywhere, or if it's just our local Arby's, but GameFuel is alive and well, because it would disappear. It was out for Halo 3, it would disappear until, like, the next big game. I remember, I think they brought it back for one of the World of Warcraft expansions. I think this is for, I believe, Need for Speed, and then the Shadows of Mordor. And it's just Xbox One games, it looked like, were what it was paired with. I know Xbox does a lot of stuff with Mountain Dew and Doritos. I don't want to burn any bridges here. But anytime I think of an Xbox One gamer, I think of a guy who chugs a lot of Mountain Dew. Like, I picture their game rig. Like, they're always, they're either eating Doritos or drinking Mountain Dew. I think a lot of the, like, food that is aimed at gamers is really just aimed at Xbox One players. I think that's all marketing. I think the image in your head is from a commercial for all three of those products at once. Because I know for at least the last seven years, Doritos, Mountain Dew, and Xbox have kind of been teamed up as marketing partners that they cross-promote. You'll have instant win giveaways for an Xbox console or a year's supply of Doritos or something. um the joke uh when you take it to the absurd level of like uh games these days you know with their microtransactions or you've got um map packs that you gotta buy or day one dlc yes all sorts of stuff that people like negative about gaming when you take that to the absurd level uh though we're talking there were jokes i remember about the xbox one because it needed to originally be connected to the internet like all the time and that uh in a year you'll play on your xbox it's like Please enter your Mountain Dew code from the Mountain Dew that you've opened for this session. If you don't open a Mountain Dew this session, you cannot play your game. Let me blow your mind. Uh-oh. I think all gamers should have their token soda. And in the early 90s, the Shasta Corporation made Mario sodas. You've never seen these before. No. There's Mario soda from Shasta. From Shasta. Like Shasta Cola. The flavors were Mario Punch. prince toadstool cherry luigi berry and yoshi apple and they were smaller and they all had vitamin c in them so you got a little bit of vitamin c with your soda but let me show you let me show you the cool cans oh and yoshi being apple uh makes sense oh totally apples colored red they're his favorite flavor so what i'm saying is mountain dew is gross and i don't want to drink it I disagree. But I want a Mario Soda. We're mainly Nintendo gamers. When it comes to console gaming, we play Nintendo more than anything. Yes. I'm looking at your Switch right now. I don't see a PS4 in this room. If you look deep into that box, way to expose where we're recording also, by the way. If you look deep into a box somewhere, you'll see a PS3 that's not hooked up. Well, there you go. But you're still a gen behind it, you know. Yes. I try to stay current on gaming, but the games that I enjoy, I haven't like there hasn't been a game that has come out on another console besides a Nintendo console that has made me want to buy a game that made me want to buy it. I'll probably buy one down the line but for now. The last Assassin's Creed didn't strike me as exciting and most of the stuff I can get on PC anyway so I'll still try to stay current just as a gamer but I'm primarily playing Nintendo games so yeah Nintendo Soda. I will say that I do like the Conceited Gamer feel though. It's a way to get caffeine in your body yep it's sweet it's pretty uh inoffensive but it's it's it's got utility you know yeah a lot of times with these games you're up all night and you're playing them i know i was up till two one with mario odyssey and if i had game fuel i'd probably be up all night, so what are we gonna specifically talk about because if we just rate Game Fuel I would rate it very highly, but I'm particularly interested in your opinion on these two new flavors the yellow Tropical Smash and the blue Arctic, I believe it's Arctic, I tried the Tropical Smash, no no, I tried I keep getting confused, I tried the Arctic Thunder one, blue one the blue one, I tried the blue one first I smelt it first, kind of like a sommelier does with a good wine, you know, I wanted to kind of take in the whole thing and the first time it touched my tongue it tasted like pure sugar and then it kind of gave me like a weird like cough syrup aftertaste, okay, did not enjoy that and it felt thicker, so I think that it almost uh has a little bit of a like a syrupy like, not not nearly syrup but it it did feel heavier on the tongue and I did not enjoy that, I did not enjoy that one at all, and then I I was after that that bad experience I was like, okay, what's next, do I have to try this next one, I I decided I had to because we gotta be thorough here, um yeah, if you're gonna make me hot Cheetos on the last episode, I'm gonna make you drink Mountain Dew on the next one. And I'm happy that you did because the Tropical... What was it? Tropical... Tropical Smash. Tropical Smash was pretty good. It was kind of mango-y. And again, it was too sweet. But if it was... If there was like a diet Game Fuel, Tropical Smash, I could see myself drinking that. Okay. But it was still rather sweet. Maybe cut it with some club soda or something. That's not a bad idea. I do drink a lot of club soda. But I gotta say, I am super... I'm like... really pumped right now i feel really alert uh i hope i don't crash later i probably will it definitely with the turkey and the game fuel like i i'm i am ready for some some video games totally let's play um i but i do i do like the conceit it's effective uh no one can say that how did you like it um so i tried the tropical smash first and i neither of these i like as much as regular Game Fuel or regular Mountain Dew, for that matter. But I think I prefer the Tropical Smash to the Arctic Thunder. I tried the Tropical Smash first. I thought it was like, I was like, whoa, that's a little off. It reminded me of, like, some of those, because it's really fruity. I was getting a strong, like, mango. I think that's one of the tropical fruits in there is mango. Or some sort of artificial flavor that resembles that. And it was, it was all right. I might, I might cut that with, like, some grenadine or something. uh i don't know we got like a little chair maybe mix it with some code red uh because i feel like it needed, there's something missing from it to make it taste amazing uh and then i tried the Arctic Thunder and it's weird that i felt the Arctic Thunder was a little lighter like it felt like uh like there wasn't much and it wasn't great it didn't it didn't taste amazing it wasn't a bold because the tropical punt the Tropical Smash sorry it's called i imagine it's called smash because the flavor really smashes your palate because it was a very bold flavor. It was very fruit. It was a very strong flavor. Compared to the Arctic Mountain Dew Game Fuel, it was much bolder, and so I didn't enjoy the Arctic Game Fuel as much. I will finish them both later, definitely, but I would, in my head, just wish that I had your typical red-orange Game Fuel. Okay, how are we going to rate these Mountain Dews? Hmm. what scale do you use for a soda remember the xbox the original xbox i do and it had these like massive controllers that were as big as like a condo like you needed like to have super big hands to use them just these just these hunks of hardware i don't feel like the xbox controller was that much bigger than the 360 controller it was really big so we're gonna rate it out of really big uh xbox controllers classic xbox controllers i think would be a good rating system for this okay so rating the new Mountain Dew Game Fuel flavors uh the yellow one and the blue one yeah i'm gonna have to go two out of five xbox controllers they weren't they weren't great I'm gonna go on the yellow one the tropical one I'm gonna go three out of five okay and on the blue one I'm going one out of five alright but I will say this I don't think I'm going back to these well you don't you wouldn't go to your Coke Zero Sugar is your Coke Zero Sugar is my jam and I don't see myself deviating from that jam anytime soon until next time stay in touch because we'd love to hear from you we'd love to we've already gotten a few comments on We're on SoundCloud. 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