The Weatherboys Podcast: Ghost Hunter Rene Watkins

Hello everybody and welcome to the Weather Boys podcast. I am Derek Kevra. That is Alan Longstreet. Together we make up the Weather Boys and this is our podcast. And we're both wearing hoodies and we're cozy as can be. Cozy season. Oh, you want to see my pants? That's a weird way to start, but sure. Oh, dude, I have a pair exactly like that. Everybody has a pair like that. Of course you do. Are you wearing them yet? No, but I should. Pause it. Pause it. Go change. Pause it. Go change and come back. why would you not today it's yeah it would it would increase the synergy uh which is already pretty high off the chart i don't think it's possible to increase the synergy yeah i think we're pretty synergetic the two of us uh this is a very exciting uh very exciting day we have not recorded a podcast in a while and i take full responsibility for that that's my fault how long has it been three weeks yeah five well okay so uh let's uh we'll we'll fill the viewers in so uh What started with Alan's honeymoon turned into a Kevra family vacation. Back-to-back trips. Sure. How long was yours? Mine? It is kind of embarrassing to say that my family vacation was longer than yours. How long was your random vacation? This is your, I think, eighth one of the year? How long was this one? This one was shorter than the last. It was 11 days. 11 days. Yeah. If you were to half that, that was my honeymoon. gosh i feel like a jerk now which is not true no mine was mine was seven nights mine was seven nights and while i had a great time i i find i'm in the vacation like the you know i'm like a five dayer five dayer and i can get back i'm the same i i i do completely agree with that like i i prefer to be gone for like four nights five days that's great for me go up north five days gone come back home, get back to it, but my wife is she is a traveler, and this particular trip, we went to Germany, so in her defense, she said if we're going to fly all the way over here we're going to spend the money, might as well stay a month it took me a lot of convincing to convince her not to stay for a month but yeah, we flew in, we had a great time, I want to talk about your honeymoon first, you had a nice honeymoon, so the viewers the listeners are curious it was wonderful, we were you know, the Caribbean the the caribbean and it was it was it was nice we did we did a lot of nothing we just hung out as one of those all-inclusives and we relaxed we got a good sleep we got uh we had some good food a lot of times these places don't have good food i find i mean the food's fine it's at careful careful don't move careful what there's a there's something i don't know is it child of mine what are you doing down here mr allen and i recording a podcast look at that hey there buddy i'm gonna see you in person she can't hear me can't you now you better get you better get over here you're gonna come all the way over and say hi say hi to the people in the microphone you gotta talk into this, get close, hi hello Stitch hi Stitch, she's talking about your t-shirt uh oh she can't hear me, no she can't hear me because you have headphones in, the headphones um Hadley how old are you? tell everyone how old you are, i'm 10, 10 years old and she, despite the fact that dad said i'm downstairs and i'm making myself known and and here she is, Hadley, tell everybody how much money your dad paid you to sneak up behind us, how much money did i pay you? zero dollars, that's right, you gotta earn your money, this is america, okay you know no free no handouts around here okay get a job, now we know who you're voting for, don't we? all right, get out of here, we gotta record this podcast, all right, she's gonna sit right over there for the duration of the podcast, so that's that um yeah i i hear what you're saying though because sometimes with those resorts like the the food all looks really good, yeah you know it's very is that what you're saying? let me know that's exactly what i'm saying, let me tell you one other thing though real quick, let me tell you one thing like we got, we got to sidetrack because uh i got uh this is, this is a work computer, this is a this is a Fox computer, Fox 2 computer and i got a new one the other day, they called me and they're like uh hey buddy you got like a generation like four generations old computer, that thing shouldn't be working, bring it in, let's get you new one, it's nice this is a poly studio intel elite book but it doesn't seem to be synergizing with my internet as much so we might have some issues and when those issues arise you might have to just go on a little monologue i will grab the flag and i will run with it and i will carry it as long as i need to but just know that my legs will be tired and i will be waiting for you to come back and your shoulders that was good yeah it was a good man of words well that was a good one um so yeah but no it was a good trip it was a good trip we met we met kevin you know no i don't know you don't know kevin the firefighter no how would i know kevin oh i haven't heard you talk a word about kevin kevin and his lovely fiance we met them down there and we had a nice little time uh for a couple days they were at the end of their trip we were at the beginning of ours so we didn't get to spend a whole lot of qt but you know what they did they left us a gift when they left they left us uh some floaties so we just floated around the pool and had a real nice time like uh i i hear floaties i think like for your arms like you can't yeah this was uh no this was a well i'd never have had the it was like a chair almost it was like a chair it was like a yeah i don't know what it was there's some sort of contraption that allowed you to comfortably float through the water well way to go kev yeah so yeah so it was good it was fun it was a great time though it was it was um i can't tell you the reason for the relaxation yet but there was a so there's more there's more i want to say but i can't because i gotta i just it's not time yet no don't you dare and then alan alan got back and we overlapped for a day and we embraced and we had a real nice hug and then the very next day i took off and we took the family to germany so family trip we uh we had been planning for a while um my wife is a big uh she is a big x's and o's person so she for like months has planned out every detail and minute and day and everything for the trip, which was great for me. I literally woke up every morning. How'd the packing go? Was it great? Was the packing great? Did you guys have any issues when you were packing? My wife had a brilliant idea where because we were going to Germany for 10 days, 11 days when you count the travel, but 10 days, every city was two days. She didn't want to lug big suitcases up the stairs of Europe, which is inevitably what's going to happen. So she wanted to pack in those big suction-sealed, where you suck the air out, Ziploc bags. And she wanted to pack by the city. Do you guys have a machine, an air-sucking machine? We don't, but you can roll it up and really squeeze it. Oh, you just seal it manually. I see. Yeah, it's like you give it a big hug, and it just pushes all the air out. So every city had its own bag. So all we had to do was reach into the big suitcase, which we left in the car, and just grab that city's clothes. And it worked really well. It was good. It saved space inside the apartments. This is the fastest. So you guys, four adults. No, no, no. Two adults, two children. Right. 11 days with travel. And you packed. How many suitcases did you bring with you? Two checked and then backpacks. I think that's, I like to give you guff all the time. I'm thoroughly impressed by that. I like it too. Yeah. Yeah, we did well. We did well. Now, we did have to, halfway through the trip, and this was planned, especially with the kids. And specifically with my son, you know, these boys are very messy, dirty, dirty individuals. We did have to do one load of laundry. So we washed socks, underwear, pants. How did you do that in Germany? Do they have those? Do they have laundromats? Well, we stayed in hotels. We did not do like Airbnbs or anything like that. And the hotels did have a service where, you know, you just throw, you know, 20 euro at them and you say things like guten tag. Great. Yeah, it's a lot of Yeah, it's great, it's wonderful Keep going, that's good So it was a good trip Great trip Would you learn, are you the same man, the man that left, is he the same man that returned? It is, it is reinforced that I like wheat beers That is their big thing down there in Germany Their beer is cheaper than their water And so the beer was $4, the water was $4.50 So I was like, might as well give me the beer So it was reinforced that I like the wheat beers It was reinforced that I'm not a pretzel lover The rest of the family is And I like the schnitzels Like warm pretzels Well you dip it in cheese Did you dip it with butter? No it was mustard over there Also mayonnaise, you know they dip their french fries in mayonnaise Right up my alley I did not know that Oh god And now you're a more cultured person because of me Dipping the french fries in the mayo Well that's good, that's great What was the number one best part? The beer in the vending machine? I did see that picture They did have beer in vending machines, which was pretty cool Number one best part would probably be The family time, I will say that Don't be vague One specific time, one moment Then one moment when you all were hugging You're going to be all gooey like that We saw, and I'm going to butcher this name I'm going to try to see if I can remember it The Neuschwanstein Castle Which is the Disney castle That is the castle that Walt Disney went and saw And said, I'm going to emulate this castle for Cinderella's Castle. I think it's Neuschwanstein Castle. Beautiful. Awesome. Super cool. On the top of a mountain. Walk up there. You're just like, I'm in a whole other world right here. This is not Earth. This is a whole fantasy planet. That's how I feel. That's great. Well, we're happy to have you back. When's your next trip? Two weeks? I was wondering, can you work for me next week? We're going to hit up Spain for 14 days. I enjoy all the I enjoy all the other people we work with. They're delightful. They're great. But it's just, there's a void. There's a void when you're not there. I feel it too, man. When I'm not there, I feel it. No, when you're not there. Yeah, no, no, I get it. No, I missed you. I'm glad we're back. And this is going to be fun because this podcast today is very seasonal for this time of the year. Alan has already told me he's going to have a hard time with it because he is a skeptic. Because today on the Weather Voice podcast, we are going ghost hunting. With Halloween just a few days away, we're diving into something a little spooky. We've all heard ghost stories, but what about the people who actually go searching for the ghosts? Our guest today, Renee Watkins from Motor City Ghost Hunters, a group that investigates reports of paranormal activity right here in our state of Michigan. We're talking haunted locations, unexplained encounters, and the technology used to try to capture evidence that there is a ghost present beyond our understanding. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to the Weather Boys podcast, Renee Watkins. Hi, welcome. This is very exciting. Where are you joining us from? What city are you in right now? I'm in Brownstown. What dimension is that in? Is that in a different one? No, that's our dimension right here. So Motor City Ghost Hunters, tell me a little bit before we get into the nitty gritty. I mean, this time of year, this is your bread and butter, right? Like this is your Super Bowl week. 100%, from September to about the end of November. We're pretty hot and heavy. Okay. When you say hot and heavy, what does that mean? We're just very busy. We have a lot of investigations. We're doing a lot of adult walks. I can explain what that is in just a minute. But we're busy. We're usually booked pretty almost every weekend. So you're busier because people are telling you, Hey, come check out this ghost and find it? Or because people want the spooky tours, right? Because there are different things that you guys do. A hundred percent. they um we do actual investigations home and businesses places that kind of thing but we also have we work with a lot of libraries that do programs during the halloween season um so we go and we'll we actually let the guests investigate with us at the locations um and then we just have normal people reaching out to us to come to their houses because oh i you know something's here that kind of thing but what what are people looking for do they like do they want to experience the paranormal or do they want you to get rid of the paranormal most it's kind of half and half some people um we always say like you know we because we get emails all the time for investigation home investigations and people are like our cupboard keeps slamming you know this keeps happening and we think there's a demon in the house you know can you come out here and get this thing out of here um 90 percent of the time it's not it's a relative that's just trying to get their attention and i'm sorry i'm sorry to interrupt but you mean a dead relative correct you don't mean like it's Derek Futson with me you mean it's when you say it's not a demon it's not like a it's not a bad spirit it's a good it's a good spirit yeah what you're saying it's yes actually it's just a family member that has passed away or you know it could be a an old homeowner that's why would they call us out we go out and investigate try to figure out who's actually there and then give them a little peace of mind um what we do is try to just educate and make them so that we don't want them to be afraid you know and especially if there's kids in the house um a lot of times we'll get requests you know there's things here we got to get this that's bothering my kids you know blah blah blah and so we'll go out and we try to figure out what's going on so when you say that you come to the conclusion that it's a family member or somebody just trying how do you know that like how do you figure that out so we have lots of fancy equipment that we use um but i always say the best equipment um for an investigator because we do have skeptics on our team as well um you've got a skeptic here by the way his name is alan longstreet that's okay we love skeptics because then when we do capture evidence we can that validates what we're trying to do so um we the best equipment i always say especially when we do our adult walks and basically an adult walk is just like libraries will register you know guests to come we set up different areas in the library where we think there's a lot of activity and we rotate them in groups through the through each area and they are like you know they get to investigate with us they get to experience that with us you know what we're trying to capture so um but the best equipment i always say is yourself your phone because you have a flashlight on your phone you have an audio recorder you have a video recorder on your phone so when i'm i go ahead i'm sorry no no carrie no no go ahead i'll i'll be patient oh you're fine no go ahead really well what do you like i just want to know about you i want to know about you when do you like what do you what's it like are there ghosts everywhere spirits everywhere what is your how does this whole world work all of the time some of them make themselves known in different ways some are good some are bad is this is this the world in which we're working at the moment yes they're and like you said there's good spirits and there's bad spirit we we call them negative spirits and a lot of times they're just they're very negative they just um sometimes they're dark you know they have a dark sense to them and they're just usually crabby and ornery and just want to cause chaos are all of these human like humans that have passed away or are some of like who are they usually yes they are it's people that have passed away um sometimes we experience animals as well okay um you know past cats or dogs or you know animals to that effect um that's not uncommon i mean myself i've experienced that in my own home with a cat that passed away um but yes these are spirits that just they come back some come back some don't you know some when they pass they go right away to heaven or wherever they're going you know and sometimes we call it the waiting room if they don't cross over we call it crossing over um if they don't cross over they can stay in we refer to it as the waiting room where they haven't really crossed over to the other side yet um and sometimes they don't cross because they're afraid they don't know that they're supposed to so they just hang around and sometimes they'll come and visit so renee you've got one person here in this chat i'm fully on board with this okay i'm on your team you don't have to convince me of anything um but i but i what i am interested in is in your experience with these spirits that that have not crossed over why is there unfinished business is it is there something left they want to accomplish or are they do they know that maybe we are in danger and they want to get us a message um yes to all three so sometimes there i've experienced myself um on an actual investigation where there was an older gentleman he actually passed away and he was afraid to cross over because he was he had been a very strict catholic and he felt like he had not lived a good enough life to go into the light and cross over amen to that so we started working with him and just talking to him and we finally convinced him that it was okay for him to go and he crossed over so they listened to us too i mean we like we experienced them but but they listened to us 100 100 yeah you say when you okay because you just casually just right there you're like yeah we just talked for a little while we talked to carl who's dead and is a spirit and we just like went back and forth for a little bit and then we ushered him across the gate to heaven yes what What are you talking about? Do you mean you FaceTimed him? How did this work? So we have, we have equipment, um actually on our phones we have, there's um a couple different apps that we can actually open up that app and they can actually talk through the app to us. How do they do that? Is it like an electromagnetic something or other? They use energy. The spirits themselves are full of energy, they're just and the longer they've been passed over passed away the stronger usually their energy is, if it's a recent passing, I would say like between one and five years they usually aren't that strong and they don't know how to like manipulate the equipment or how to communicate or that they can actually communicate with us so but we use um those, you know, there's different apps and different ways that they can speak to us through those apps and that and they don't, I mean we talk to them just like I'm talking to you, we don't ever provoke them we don't ever, we're not nasty to them, you know we are just like we're having a conversation right now we're very respectful because some of them, um sometimes they're rude, I mean sometimes they you know they don't understand why we're talking to them or they're talking to us can, can that energy attach to a person? so like if you're rude to them, could you end up taking that home with you? 100, 100, I've seen it happen um two places that are pretty well known in Michigan um I've seen uh at the one where are they? Can we know, come on, come on, come on, come on, Derrick's house, Eloise? Yes, Eloise, yeah, oh yeah, one of them is Eloise, one is the Brown Mansion, or excuse me I'm sorry, Brown Mansion, it's in Brown City, Michigan um one of our we did have someone get an attachment and that's why when we we have certain things that we do before we go into an investigation no matter where it is if it's a home a historical place or you know something something like that um as a team we actually pray before we go in we go in as a team together we never nobody's ever left by themselves like once we're in the investigation we always have two people together just why because you're scared because you're a person you're scared i'd be terrified you're never scared no i'm not even that's not me making fun of you i don't believe in it but i would be terrified still now have i gotten startled of course yes i have it doesn't scare you that's okay it doesn't scare me no did it ever in the beginning um no because i've been doing this my whole life i've had i'm very gifted oh okay there's a gift aspect here yeah yeah i'm very gifted um we actually have on our team there's you know a couple people have no gifts at all um there's there's many many different levels of gifts as we call them um myself i'm one of the clairvoyants on the team or medium excuse me my cat's on the table well no okay so now that that cat popped up we i we have to talk about cats and spirits because isn't there isn't there some folklore that that cats there's some weird connection there with a cat 100 percent so cats are known for to be protective and they're known to be alerted more so than any other animals to spirit activity um and they i can tell you mine i have two and i can be sitting there and all of a sudden they both will look at a certain place in the room so i know that there's something here you know even before usually i sense them they're very sensitive to that and my one is very protective he actually sleeps at the foot of my bed like every night so there is cats i mean that goes way back to egypt you know egyptian time they the cats were highly regarded you know as protective and you know they were just good to have around so that there is a lot of folklore about that and a lot of myths and stuff like that okay so you have the gift you you've you've done this your whole life what are your earliest memories were your parents receptive or they say okay creepy kids stop that you're scaring us so no um actually my my mom was very gifted as well okay um but my earliest remember memory of any of this would probably be as a toddler truthfully um i can remember and i asked my mom about this i was probably a teenager at the time and she was like how do you even remember that because she's like you were an imp you were a baby you how do you remember that and i said i don't know i just see it like because i see things um and she said okay well yeah okay that happened um but let's back up what what is i i see things does that mean like when you're sleeping you dream things or does that mean that you're kind of like you'll zone out a little bit and something will kind of be there in that daydream that you're like no that's not a daydream that's something yes so i have i do have dreams once in a while it's more of like a vision that comes to me in my in my mind that i see in my mind if that makes sense um i don't usually get like daydreamy type stuff or like where i zone out or anything like that it's usually like an actual vision that comes to me in my in my mind let's get uh let's get scary for a second so um i mean when the scary ghost the demon the uh i mean we've all seen movies is this is this a hollywood creation or are there bad demon things that you don't want to mess with there is there are very dark things that you don't want to mess with um they are present in the world um the the fact that the actual percentage that you would ever encounter one is very slim most of the most of the spirits and the ghosts or whatever you know whatever you would like to call them are not of that realm i guess you want to say they're not demons they're not dark they're not dark like that um i've only encountered one in my whole lifetime and you still weren't scared you said you've never been scared you weren't even scared at that moment i was no i was more startled i would say than anything well tell us what that experience was like take us through every part of that so so um back to just that it's not a common thing so our other person that's a clairvoyant on the team as well she's a medium she's a little bit older than i am she has actually in her whole lifetime she's in her early 60s in her whole lifetime she's only experienced dark like demon type things five times and she's she's actually a demonologist i mean she's certified demonologist and the whole nine yards she's she's pretty that's a thing yes yeah it's a hundred percent thing yeah so wait so so if you've got a demon you call a demonologist yeah pretty much or or a lot of people will call a priest or you know some a religious person to try to push it out okay so what is a what so what what is a demon then what kind of spirit is that is that just a really really bad person that died or does it come from somewhere else um both it can be a person that um actually went i mean have i believe in heaven and hell so um that actually went and was somehow connected to satan and his minions and has become this per you know this being or this spirit or whatever you want to call it um and they're just very dark they do a lot of really bad things i mean they will attach to people um we call it an infestation where they just are non-stop tormenting this person or tormenting the household or you know like breaking things you know doing just crazy things like total chaos total uh just don't let up until they get what they want and usually you have to really try a couple times that we've had to go out on these type of things we've actually had to go there two or three times to get them fully out of the house or out of wherever they were or away from this person they just want to go ahead i'm sorry no i was just asking that no you said you said to get what they want they just want to cause chaos and misery and make people uncomfortable and just torment you know they they just that's what they do So how do you get them out? Did you like, did you give them a better, actually go to that guy, go to that house over there. Or what is it? Is it you beat them? Like you, like you'd knock them with some x-rays or whatever your technology is or. No, we just, so when we go in, um, we actually, you know, we tell them they're not welcome there. They have to leave, you know, they're not wanted here. They need to leave this, you know, usually they are bothering a certain person. It's one person and that they just need to leave them alone and get out. and we do we have some you know we say prayers and we cleanse the house we sage the house really well um we can also do some other cleansing techniques that we use and basically we just we push them out we call it pushing them out and just tell them they're not welcome there they're not allowed to be there they need to go back where they came from you know and they these people own can they infest an individual and make that person do things like do you so okay so do you see certain news stories different maybe than than other people because you say the way i see that that could have been an infestation 100% yeah i see things in the world i guess is a good way to put it or i see people even in public like if i'm out somewhere and i because i have this thing where i can just i hit my senses go off like people will just randomly come up and talk to me for no reason they're just i don't for some reason they're drawn to me and there's been a couple times i'm kind of like whoa no no no back up back up because they're not really i mean like not demonic demonic excuse me they're just very negative and i get that energy from them so i'm like whoa no back up back up but um yeah they can infest a person they can actually take over a person and i we i've seen it happened once and it was really sad to see and the person didn't even realize like what was happening like you saw it when you guys were out there or you like when you were at a call or an infestation or it was actually um we it was an infestation we had been at this at this particular place and i don't want to say the name of the place um we had been there for a few months we were like the resident um paranormal team and one of our team members um they needed you there for months i'm sorry to interrupt yeah for months yeah okay and um we were actually doing like investigation and tours as well but we had been there for a few months and one of our team members once we decided to pull out or leave um one of our team members decided to stay there with the people that were there, the owner and that, and we saw him a little bit later, I already sensed something wasn't right, and then we saw him a little bit later and his whole physical appearance had changed, I mean he just was not the same person at all and he just looked terrible, and that's they like you when you have some like an attachment like that, you're, you don't, you become not yourself, you know, he just, he looked, he, he aged terribly, he looked terrible, you know, he looked like walking death actually and it was like, oh yeah okay, let's uh let's talk a little bit about haunted houses in Michigan and I'm not talking like the, you know, just the ones where you go and get scared, I'm talking about like actually haunted places, yeah so you got, okay, so can you name some actual haunted places and if you guys have been there what did you do when you were there, what did you see? Yes, so we've been to a lot of what, pretty well-known places, um we've been to Public Tile Company in Detroit, um that is place is very active, there's um a couple resident spirits, like we call them, um the owner actually, Mary is there all the time, she, she stays there and she's actually a really nice lady. Wait, is Mary alive or dead? Yeah, I was gonna say human Mary or spirit Mary, spirit Mary, spirit Mary, she's been passed away for quite a while, um so she's, they, it's her and there's another gentleman that's there all the time spirits um we've been to actually the firehouse that's diagonal from Poivik um we've been to the cadillac the whitney the whitney was very interesting because we actually got to go into the old stable like behind the whitney there's a um it's an old what do you call it like a stable house or stable where they kept the horses sure yeah and that was really interesting because there was no electricity there's no water there's no nothing in there and we were i was walking with another team member and i kept hearing this noise and i was like what is that so i walked over and we actually heard a horse whinny which i thought was really cool and there was no i mean this place was completely empty they were just using it as storage and then we walked a little further and we could actually hear like hoofs on the brick walking so that was pretty cool too um we've been where else have we been to canterbury village that has with all the weddings aren't there a bunch of weddings and stuff there it's haunted yes oh yes did you guys go to Mackinac Island there's got to be haunted stuff there we went to whitefish or whitefish bay whitefish point whitefish point i always call it bay that place is really interesting well now wait a minute whitefish point so for those folks who don't know that is the closest point that the edmund fitzgerald got to the shoreline yes where everybody on on uh on the boat died so is is that those are the spirits that are at Whitefish Point um there are some yes and i think they're drawn there because they actually have the um shipwreck museum there as well and they have this one it's beautiful display of the Edmund Fitzgerald and just like the um like picture still pictures they actually have a video too but they actually have a replica of the boat or the ship excuse me and it's you could feel the energy from some of the from some of the people that went or some of the men that went down but there's other spirits there too like there's an old caretaker that's on the grounds um he's one of the old he wasn't actually the lighthouse keeper but he was like the groundskeeper um and there's actually was some Indian spirits there as well some Indian Native American um but that yeah that is very active there as well okay can we go to we go to skeptic things i'm just i'm curious why don't these spirits just communicate more directly why are they so dang spirity and so creepy even if they're not creepy even the nice ones are creepy why can't they just you know figure out some better communication thing so that we won't be afraid well i think because of the way society is truthfully um like myself like my mom when i was growing up my mom did not want me to partake in this part of the world she wanted me just to have a quote-unquote normal life and not interact with all the you know the spirits and everything um and she knew that you know i'm not that old but even in my mom's time like if you talked about stuff like this they thought you were nuts they thought you were crazy Salem witch trial exactly yes so you know it's been kept on the down low for so long you know when people have been fearful to come oh yeah i can talk to ghosts or oh yeah i see ghosts or i see spirits or whatever and the spirits themselves some of them don't even realize they've passed honestly they don't realize like they're dead so you have to i mean we've encountered that quite a few times but they don't they you have to wait i'm sorry so you have to inform them that they are in fact passed yes yes how's that usually go which is very strange it's a little unnerving because they're like what are you talking about you know because they talk just like we do exactly and so i can remember one gentleman we were up um i'm trying to think where it is right now i think it's Washington County but we were at this older farm it was a farm at this big old farmhouse and he was just like what are you talking about i'm fine you know and we were just and you know you're trying not to crack up because he was so serious and we were just like no you know this is what happened don't you know do you remember he was like no no and he just kept saying no so we kind of left him alone for a while started talking to another spirit and then he came back in and he kind of I mean you could tell like we I didn't see him visually but you could tell he kind of was like looking around like okay maybe they're right you know because things had happened and you know he had been gone like 30 40 years so the farm itself was different well you think you would have known by then yeah yeah spirit time is different than human time Terry yeah well and that's true there is truth to that because they're not bound by time they're not bound by light you know daylight or night they just go about their business you know they they see everything they hear everything if they're around us so you're you're out loud and proud now has like the culture changed to allow that or have you always been that way like you mentioned your mom wanted to steer you away from it for your good yes yes you know have we become much more accepting um the collective no no i would say no okay um i just feel that way because even now like people like i still don't there's not a lot of people know what i do you know they don't know i mean i i have a regular job and a lot of people don't know that i can do this kind of stuff or that i do do this stuff um if they ask me sure i'll call them i have no problem with that but do i go around announcing it to everybody no because a lot of people even in my own family people are still like what no we should we're gonna we're not gonna air this podcast Eric, this one's gonna be from archives. We must um, is there something that normal people can keep an open mind about? So like the other day so my dog um died about a year ago and about a year to the day so like in bed every night she was a small dog, she would sleep in between my legs and the other day I swear I felt a dog there, I swear I felt it. I kept an open mind about that and it made me feel better to think that like her spirit is still here but like, are those little things that normal people should be opening up their minds to 100 percent, 100 percent especially with animals animals will normally come back to where they were spirits in general, like even human spirits they go back to where they were most comfortable and that could be not necessarily home, it could be work, it could be somebody else's house but animals yes, that's that's a big one because I've had so many people ask me that question like, okay I think I saw them or I said I think I felt them or you know yeah I was laying in bed and he the dog jumped on the bed like he normally would, that's them, that's them and you can just acknowledge them and say, hey I know you're here, thank you, you know or whatever you want to say to them and they will stay with you. Do we should we, should we be uh keeping an eye out for orbs in photos? I know everyone talks about those little white bubbles that pop up in photos and they say those are spirits and you captured one is that right, is that real? That is true 100 percent yes, orbs, orbs will appear either translucent white or sometimes they're blue and they can be very small or they can be big i mean i've seen really big ones and i've seen what are they what are they what do you mean are they true what are they then is it always derrick's dog or something else yeah it's derrick's dog um no it's actually people it's actually spirits just traveling they're traveling around yeah it's not just people say it's dust it's not dust okay i didn't say i don't even know what you guys are talking about what do you do with that you said there are skeptics on your team renee yes like so how does that dynamic work they're out there trying to thwart you or they're just interested and skeptically open-minded they're very that's how i am like i'm not saying it ain't true i just like yeah come on extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence yes and and that's true and yes they we have two on our team actually they're both guys and they the one is kind of halfway he's like it's like he really wants to believe and he really wants to you know and they do acknowledge the evidence because when we play back our audio or we play back the video and we're like look here right there or we're sitting there in a room you know investigating talking to them and whatever and you can see things on the monitors then they're a little bit more open-minded you know they're still like okay well how is this happening what is this who is this um one of them I would say is about half and half and the other one is still a skeptic and that's fine he's just they're very curious they want to know like okay does this is this really real like does this really happen you know is this really is there really these other realm or you know whatever you want to refer to it as where these spirits are coming and going or you know they're around us and they are they're around us all the time all right so so Renee we're running out of time with you but if people are if people are skeptics say they want to learn more they want to go and do a ghost hunt yeah that is that is something that Motor City Ghost Hunters does right like where can they go to find out more information and actually do this we have a website um it's just Motor City Ghost Hunters LLC um there's actually two teams but we're LLC at the end um the other team is our old team they can come to our website they can email us there's actually on the website they can send us um they through our email we can they can request an investigation they can ask us questions um there's a phone number there as well that they can call to you know if they're curious or they're something troublesome is going on at the house um we do do um different events like um through libraries through different historical places um we do what's called the adult walks and what it is is they register people people pay all the money all the proceeds goes back to that library or to whatever historical place it is because funding has been cut so much so we try to help them out and it's a good time too so okay well so next year next year halloween time can we um can we have a sleepover at a haunted place a sleepover we can talk about it sure great okay why would you want to do that because that sounds so scary i know it's that well hey first of all even if i yeah i would be terrified that's the whole point of it that's the whole point derek so you just want to investigate no i don't i don't like it no but i would i like i said i'm skeptically curious i'm an open-minded skeptic sure let's get out there see what it is she said she only met one demon in her whole career but what happens if another one pops up and attaches itself to you and then i gotta work with you i ain't gonna attach itself to me we wouldn't let that happen okay but i would say no even if i like even me what i'm saying i don't know i still i still get scared of the dark okay so i would be afraid down there wherever it is we're going we would protect you you see all these lights i got on over here i do yeah and i do love renee how you have really settled into the spirit of halloween how gradually throughout our interview it's gotten darker and darker and more eerie and creepy so on that note we will let you go thank you so much for your time renee watkins motor city ghost hunters you know how to get in touch with them uh we appreciate you listening as always you can always listen to the weather boys podcast on spotify Apple Podcasts, YouTube and of course on Fox Local which is our free app to download you go down to The Weather Boys section and all of our content is right there. 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