How She Became The Most Banned Woman In The World | Guest: Laura Loomer

This is the Andra Segovia Show. Greetings, everyone, and welcome to the Andra Segovia Show. For those of you that are new around these parts, I am your host, Andra Segovia, broker out here in the People's Democratic Republic of California. On this podcast, I deal with business, tech and California issues. And my guest today is no stranger to tech issues. She is the author of the book, Lumert, how I became the most banned woman in the world. Laura Loomer, welcome to the Andra Segovia Show. Great to have you on. Thanks for having me. I had a poll of my audience before I made it a little public that I was having you on the program. Over 80% of respondents have said they never heard of Laura Loomer, which is sad, but we'll find out why. So for those who do not know you, can you please let them know who you are, what you do? Yeah. Well, thanks so much for having me on. And I'm Laura Loomer. I'm an investigative journalist and activist. And I also happen to be the most banned woman in the world. I've been banned on all of the social media sites and only recently. Right. Thanks to Elon Musk. Was I given my Twitter account back? But as as you said, I'm the author of the book, Lumert, how I became the most banned woman in the world. And, you know, after I found myself banned on all these different social media sites for doing my investigative journalism, I decided to start pursuing more free speech activism and started filing litigation against the big tech social media giants fighting for free speech rights and the civil rights of people who are being deplatformed and silenced. And eventually it inspired me to also run for Congress. And so I ran for Congress as an America first Republican in Florida in 2020. And then also again in twenty twenty two. Yeah. And some people might think, well, she's banned from social media and for people that might hear about stuff like, oh, they probably deserved it or whatever. And I think people are a little misguided because they don't they don't understand the ramifications of what that actually means. They hear cancel culture. They hear fact check, but they don't really know what all that stuff actually entails. They just like a whatever thing. And I think this serves something that happened with your Twitter. I want to bring up a little later. I hope we have time for that. But something that people don't understand, you and I are probably a decade apart in age. I'm not going to ask for yours, by the way, but we're about a decade apart. And in the time frame of that tech that was developed, I could say that you grew up more in that tech space. Because it was part of your growing up. You you basically growing up with it versus me seeing the stuff be born and then adopting it to my life. Yeah, absolutely. So for someone that became an investigative journalist, where did you store almost everything you had? So I'm twenty nine years old and you're absolutely correct in that. You know, my generation, the millennials, I guess you would call us. We really grew up in the age of the Internet. And so my generation has been accustomed, right, to utilizing the Internet for all aspects of their lives. And, you know, as an investigative journalist, you utilize social media in order to push your information out, to push your content out and to push your stories out. And so prior to being banned everywhere, of course, I utilized my social media platforms in which I had, you know, a lot of followers, like millions of followers across all the platforms before I was banned. To push out this information and when you are witnessing, right, a decrease in television news, broadcast news and print news and, you know, kind of the more popular trend in news and journalism today is maybe independent media and people utilizing social media to push that information out. It puts you at an extreme disadvantage when you're banned. It also puts you at an extreme disadvantage when you're a candidate for office and you're banned, because we see how social media is used to reach voters and to convey messages and to communicate with a constituency. And, you know, whether it be Barack Obama or Donald Trump, we saw this revolution in our own political system, you know, on the Democrat side and the Republican side with the use of social media insights like Twitter and Facebook in campaigning. And so it's an invaluable tool. And when one individual or one candidate is denied access to those sites simply because of their political affiliation, like I was, right, the first deplatformed banned candidate in United States history, which means I was the first candidate to ever run for office and be denied access to social media. It puts you at a huge disadvantage because it is illegal election interference. Yes, it definitely is. And for some people like, well, I'm never going to run for office or anything like that. Look, when I grew up, I still remember going to university and someone coming up to me and says, hey, would you would you test Microsoft OneNote? Hey, Facebook is arriving. They're opening up slots for this university. Do you want to try it out? That's different than someone that grew up on it. And it's like I didn't want Facebook. I didn't use Facebook, but our classes for our studies and study groups and all that, they created a Facebook account for me. That's how I ended up getting a Facebook account, not because I did it, but because it was done for me among my the team circles for our classes. It's before that was my space, for instance, all this other stuff. And it's like, whatever. I didn't feel like I needed to be a part of it. I didn't care. And I had Facebook and I never used it. It's part of a daily communication. And some of the younger crowd says that stuff's boring. I moved on to the other things. Not knowing if you're on Instagram, you're on Facebook, you're on WhatsApp, you're on Facebook, which is now meta and all these different things. So these guys are gobbling up all these other places. Again, I'm not on Facebook because it's not cool. No, but you're there. So when you're banned, say, from Facebook, which then exofacto means you're also banned from Instagram, possibly WhatsApp. If you're banned from all this, you're banned to that axis. And some people think like, well, what does it matter? You're socializing. You just hit the nail right on the head. Being able to reach other people, especially if you have a not just a political candidacy, but business, whether you're providing a good or a service, now you can't reach that clientele. And despite the fact that how many people might feel, I don't want to be on Facebook. Yeah, but where's your clientele? They're on Facebook. It and that's also happens for Twitter, not on Twitter. Where is the conversation happening? Where do you where's the people you want to reach? Well, they're on Twitter. And if you can't be there, then how can you reach them? And that's not also everything. It so happens that because you grew up on that and this is something you highlight in your book, where a lot of your stuff was on these tech platforms, your life was digital. And I'm sure many people, including from your age group and younger, all their lives are digital. And it's like you lose access to that. I've had it where I left my wallet at a mall once and I didn't panic. I left my phone once and I panicked. The difference being that, hey, that's my life there. Yeah, but someone else would take your identity, your money and all that. But my life is on the phone. Yeah. Well, your money can be on your phone. Right. And so it's not like just losing your ID or your, you know, your bank card and you call and you get it deactivated. A lot of people have their bank cards now stored in their phone. Right. A lot of people have their money on their phone. And if you if you lose your phone, you're losing everything in the sense that there's an app for everything. And we have put all of our lives onto this this device. Right. And so I don't think that, you know, people who grew up in a different age, like an analog age, right, like our parents or grandparents, they didn't grow up with social media or the Internet. So for them, it may sound melodramatic. But when your entire livelihood originates from you being able to, you know, utilize the Internet or you went to school and you paid for a degree in the field of journalism like I did and you're not able to utilize it unless you're able to distribute your content, you start to see that these are not just free speech issues. They become civil rights issues when, you know, five billionaires in Silicon Valley are deciding who gets access and who doesn't get access right to the site. You're you're trying to predestine somebody's future and the potential that they are able to express in a digital in a digital world, in a digital public square, which we find ourselves living in today. Yeah. And there's a couple of other tech companies that we didn't mention that you're also banned from, but it extends to that. But before that, I don't want to miss this thing about Twitter because you prove something to me that I suspected from the very get go. I left Facebook a couple of years ago. I left Twitter last year. I burned every bridge that I made. I was a movie critic. I covered a lot of the same things you did, but more localized here in California. I've been doing this since 2003 as a newsletter, before I went into a blog, before it became a podcast, before it just became literally microblogging on Twitter. It became like my go to tool. But then I just hated what Twitter was doing. I ended up leaving Twitter and I rebranded the show and brought this back four years ago, but in more of a business and helping people be smarter, work smarter, not harder through tech. But every time I brought that up, I always ran into this issue where it's like I got to talk about something and people will consider political. But also because, hey, I got to warn you. I've warned years ago about social credit system style stuff and things like that. And then when they hear that, oh, Alex Jones gets banned or a little rumor gets banned for anybody. It's like, oh, yeah, yeah, they probably deserved it. And all that's like, well, here's the thing that are you either whether you like a person or not, it's not the issue. It's is it constitutional? And it was not constitutional. And it wasn't a thing that was a violation in terms of services. It was just like, we don't like you. And that's and if we allow that kind of power to companies that want our so-called platform publishers, then we're all at risk. And I think people more people have woken up to that than not. But more people still need to know because they're being gas lit. And you're a prime example of that, because very few people have heard about people being banned from like Airbnb or Uber Eats or Lyft. Yeah. And you're are you also banned from Airbnb? Yeah. So I found myself banned from Airbnb, Uber Lyft, Uber Eats, PayPal, GoFundMe, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Clubhouse, you name it. Right. I mean, even Chase Bank once shut down my online access to my bank account. So, you know, I I've been banned in incredible ways. I've even been banned from being able to own or possess a firearm by the FBI simply because I confronted and exposed James Comey, the former FBI director, in one of my investigations. So, you know, we see that they like to target people. And Elon Musk now who now owns Twitter has been confirming a lot of this. And we've been gas lit. I think that's the perfect word that you used, right? We have been gas lit by the elites in the media and politicians into thinking that we're conspiracy theorists, right? There's something wrong with us and that we're making this up and that we're just making things up to justify our own narrative. But no, Elon Musk, who purchased Twitter, described Twitter as both a social media site and also a crime scene. And he has been transparent and he is, you know, releasing this information in the form of various Twitter files to expose to people the truth of what's been happening at these companies. And it turns out the conspiracy theorists were right all along. Yeah. You know, I hate using that. I use a GIF, GIF, whatever people call it, from Jurassic Park, where Ian Malcolm says, boy, I hate being right all the time. That's that's kind of how I felt. But in terms of proving something that happened by you being restored by Twitter, it proves something to me for why I decided to leave Facebook. I decided to leave Twitter because, like, hey, I'm taking my data with me because if you ban me, I don't know you're going to keep the data. When were you banned from Twitter? So I was permanently banned from Twitter in November of 2018. And then in in November of 2017, I had been unverified on Twitter. So, you know, my my the censorship of my Twitter account was a multi year process because it really began to be censored in 2016. But then I was fully banned permanently in 2018, November 21st. So they said that I was simply calling Ilhan Omar anti Jewish and exposing the fact that she was pro Sharia. I have been exposing her extensively while she was running for Congress before, of course, she was elected in 2018. And my investigations exposed how she married her brother and how she has all these ties to terrorist organizations. And, you know, some of her previous ties to anti-Semitic organizations and Twitter banned me for hate speech, for simply criticizing an elected official and actually reporting the truth. And now years later, turns out everything that I said was 100 percent true. And, you know, I ask myself, like how many other people have been silenced or banned or shut down for simply reporting things that turned out to be 100 percent true? Yeah, but it also highlights one thing, though, because, yes, you were censored and throttled between 2006, 2016 and 2018 when you were permanently banned, permanently banned. They held on for your data for at least four years. When you came back on, it's like, oh, look, I got my keys to my stuff again. Yeah. And and that's the thing that I expected, that if people were banned from Facebook and everything else, hey, they kept the data. It's like, hey, it's ours now. You know, and I thought that I was never going to get it back. So when Elon Musk said that they were going to reinstate the accounts of people and that we're going to get everything back, I mean, they must be collecting people's data, just like he said. And it's not like they delete your account and they delete your data. They're holding on to it. And what are they doing with that data? Right. And that opens up to another can of worms of privacy issues and, you know, data mining. And this is exactly what these companies are guilty of doing. So I would say that tech, big tech tyranny is the biggest threat facing our country and the entire world today. And when you look at all the chaos in the world right now, whether it's the economy or immigration or, you know, voter fraud or, you know, people dying from covid vaccines, all of it is traced directly back to big tech censorship because we're in these positions because the elite censored us from getting information out that could have actually prevented things from happening. Right. So you're seeing a lot of people drop dead from the vaccine. You're seeing people have health issues. Right. You said you talked about this. Well, it's an issue when you when you talk about issues locally in California, the mandates, right, and the lockdown and how people were being censored for pointing out that Gavin Newsom was walking around and going to posh restaurants and, you know, being threatened with lockdown orders and told that they couldn't go out to eat and that their businesses had to be closed. He was having dinner at five star restaurants and renting the place out. So and when you post those videos, you would get banned. So there's nothing illegal about posting that information. But because it's inconvenient to the narrative of the elites and the people who are pushing this new world order, which they're using censorship as the tool to get people on board. Right. They ban you. They ban you if you're a political dissenter. And so that's why censorship is so dangerous. And that's why, you know, as a journalist and as somebody who's been banned and de-platformed, even now that I have my Twitter back, you know, I'm still advocating for people and fighting for free speech because the conversation about Twitter is very surface level. It's not just Twitter, as we just pointed out. It's banks. OK, it's food delivery apps. It's a ride share apps. It's payment processors. Airbnb, right. So all types of different apps and services are de-platforming people and silencing people simply because of their viewpoints and their constitutionally protected speech. And, you know, when we talk about censorship, a lot of times people only talk about in relation to Facebook and Twitter or Instagram and they forget about all these other elements. Yeah. And it becomes a social credit system when you even consider LinkedIn, which is owned by Microsoft, because if you say you were banned from Microsoft, guess what that means? You're banned from someone like me that relies on on one drive for a lot of the different things that do have terabytes of data in the cloud. And the cloud literally means someone else's computer. And in this case, the tech space through their data farms are the ones that are storing all of your data. And then you can even go to the microscopic level when we talk about metadata, a bunch of zeros and ones. That's what people don't know that it can it goes to the basics of that. And we've been tracked long before the smartphone even existed. And we can also point to the metadata that's a passing reference to 2000 mules. I wish they did a little better job in explaining it, but it's pretty good stuff. Now, with all that has been said with respects to you being banned from all this, you and I got connected sometime over the summer when I was really diving into your book and I sent a picture via getter highlighting some text that you wrote in your book where you said that big tech tried to erase you and people have people forget you. More than 80 percent of my audience who knows Project Veritas, which you failed to mention, by the way, that you work with Project Veritas. And there's so much to talk about, you know, like in the time span of an interview. But I you know, when I say I'm a journalist, I got my career started working with Project Veritas doing undercover journalism. And then I started my own my own media company. And so, you know, I I wasn't banned while working right while working for Project Veritas. I was banned when I started my own media company. But when I was working for Project Veritas as an undercover journalist, but then also as a communications director, I had access to James O'Keefe's social media. I ran his social media and his the Project Veritas social media account. And I will tell you that we were censored during the 2016 election when we were releasing our voter fraud series, exposing Hillary Clinton's voter fraud activities. And so this was something that was happening, you know, even during the 2015, 2016 presidential race. And I got to witness it firsthand. And it went years without being addressed. I mean, think about that 2015 to 2020, five years. OK, and no one did anything about it. And now finally, in 2022, someone's actually, you know, they're finally starting to talk about it. And when I say nobody did anything, obviously, people like myself and other grassroots activists and, you know, some journalists did something about it. I've certainly filed numerous lawsuits against big tech over the years. But when I say nobody, I'm talking about our politicians did not do anything to address this issue. Yeah. And because we're also short on time, there's there's two things that I want to go before picking up on what you just said. I got reacquainted with you because I remember you from the Project Veritas. That's how I got to know you. The whole Lumer thing. Yeah. When you confronted Jack Dorsey, not too long ago, about 18 months ago or so. I'm like, you still got it. And for those of you watching in more recent time, some even argue that Kevin McCarthy is getting. So it's like you still got it. And the thing is that there was a period in time because to that picture of that text when I was reading it, it's like big tech almost made me forget about you. But leading up to the 2020 election is when I started testing out other social media platforms. I ended up on Parler. And when Parler was taken down, I ended up finding Gab. And on Gab, I found you like all these months. I thought she was gone. And then Gab and that's what they do. They try to make people erase you. And now that I'm back on Twitter, you know, people who didn't get on Gab or Parler, True Social or Telegram, they're like, oh, my God, I forgot about you. Where have you been these last four years? Right. And they literally forget you. And that's the whole role of censorship. And it's scary because, you know, when you're in this millennial age group and maybe, you know, for people who are older listening, they maybe they don't relate to this so much because times were different. But in this day and age, you know, you don't really always remember. I mean, sometimes you remember your friend's birthday or your family's birthday. I certainly, you know, do. But if you people generally see like when it's someone's birthday, because they get a Facebook notification or they see something on their Instagram or something pops up when you are banned, people don't get any updates from you. They don't get to see what you're doing. They don't get life updates from you, you know, and then eventually you just start to come become a distant memory in their mind. And that's that's pretty awful because it's a very isolating feeling. And so, you know, not only is censorship a tool to silence people and oppress them and, you know, to quell political dissent, but it's also a way to isolate people and to make people feel alone. Yeah. And you do open up about that in your book, which is what I'm going to tie into. But before I lose the point, this thought was that when I found out you wrote a book after connecting with you and like, oh, look, she wrote a book and I saw that on Parler. That's how I think we first connected on Parler before we connected on the others. But you wrote an entire chapter exclusively dedicated to the shooting of what happened in Las Vegas. That's very near and dear to me because my sister-in-law was supposed to be there and cancel at the last minute. And I'm like, holy smokes. Imagine you had gone. She is the mother of six children now. So my family would have been without all of the kids. So when you wrote about that, I and I picked up your book. I read your book kind of like a Christopher Nolan movie where I was kind of jumping around the book because I wanted to get to that chapter. But I was just so like engrossed in the first couple of chapters. By the way, James O'Keefe wrote the foreword. So that's really cool. And you call him a brother, which I think is beautiful. Well, when I finally got to that to that chapter, I'm like, you were the one that was showing the elevator things because I had forgotten. Yeah, that was me. And that's the thing. A lot of people forget, right? Because when they erase all of your journalism, people forget, you know, what you did. And now like a lot of people sometimes make really nasty remarks to me like, oh, what have you done right? Like when I'm criticizing politicians or exposing something and they'll say, oh, it's easy for you to be a keyboard warrior. And that when I tell them or tell them they have no idea because of the censorship. So it really creates an information blackout. And it's scary to think how your entire resume can be deleted and wiped from the Internet when you would Google my name. It wouldn't show any of the stuff that I that I had done or any of the work I did because Google, of course, when my Wikipedia page, they just lied about me and accused me of things that I never did while completely erasing. Right. All evidence of my videos and my investigations online. So it was pretty scary. And that's what's happening in our in our world today, where they can in the click of a button with the click of a button or an algorithm, they can make you disappear. Yeah. To lead your existence. And it is to that that I folks, for those of you listening on the audio or tuning in on one of the video platforms, any references and all links to Luma will be available on the show as a company's episode at WWW.com. Laura recently had an epic Twitter space. I believe that was on crypto lawyers. And I'll be leaving a link to that. It was a what a five hour thing. But there was like five hours. Yeah. But the last hour contains discussions about the Las Vegas shooting. Unfortunately, I think the best in-depth discussion was I think it was an off the cuff live stream you ended up doing with, I think, is Dalton cloth filter from background Thanksgiving or so about the things about the Las Vegas shooting. Yeah. Yeah. It was like an hour and a half cozy live TV thing. But unfortunately, the replays only last for a few days and afterwards is gone. That's why I wish was stored, because I was just like lost in it. And then they were they were showing some of your old clips of when you took care of that business before you came back on Twitter, by the way. So I'll be leaving links to at least the Twitter space for people look up more into this. But that's why I picked up your book. And I ended up when I read through your book recently was making the rounds on Twitter because of Capitol Hill and all this. There was a discussion about like, oh, yeah, the time when a Republican auctioneer was shouting down Laura Loomer, who was speaking at one of these tech hearings were. Yeah. And they shouted you down. Now, the backstory behind that was what you talk about what happened afterwards, because if I'm not mistaken, that's the moment where you go to the bathroom and felt alone is wasn't at the moment. Yeah. And, you know, you're you're talking about the tech hearing where Jack Dorsey was asked to testify in Congress about censorship. And I stood up and confronted him during the hearing. And a Republican shouted me down and asked for the police to escort me out, even though I was calling Jack Dorsey out for lying to Congress about censoring conservatives. Right. So the Republican Party has been a problem when it comes to censorship. They love blaming the Democrats. And I'll tell you, as a Republican and as the most man woman in the world and as somebody who ran for office with no social media, I asked the Republican Party for help and they did nothing because they're in on it. Right. They also want dissent to be quelled. They don't want an America first movement. They want to have the uniparty establishment, RINO leadership controlling everything. And so, you know, it was that moment that I realized like how big of an issue this was and how much of an uphill battle it was going to be to defeat, you know, all the censorship, because it's not just leftists. Right. It's not just one sided. Both sides are benefiting from the censorship. Both sides are complicit in the censorship and the election interference with big time. Yeah. And that's that's absolutely awful. But and that's something that I didn't expect to get from the book. I thought it was just going to be over like just an overview of some of the things that that you went through. But no, this is getting to know Laura Loomer, the person. And that's what I found. That's my biggest takeaway from the book. But it was that moment as someone that's also felt alone, despite being surrounded by love. I'm a suicide survivor. Five times felt I'm still here. And I'm glad that you didn't need you. You're a powerful voice and they can't they can only slow you down, but they can't stop you. And that's why I wanted to reach out to talk to you. And unfortunately, we don't we don't have as much time because you got to get going back to work. Well, I'll come on again. The only reason why it's short tonight is because when I booked the interview, I wasn't planning on coming on an impromptu trip to Washington, D.C. So I booked my travel yesterday. So it was kind of a spur of the moment thing to come out here when I was watching this speaker vote and, you know, decided that I needed to come out and hold the establishment accountable and confront people who are voting for McCarthy for speaker because he cannot be speaker. And but I'm definitely going to come back on because they adjourned today. I was thinking that I was going to be done for the night and be able to just, you know, do this podcast and talk to you for however long. But, you know, these Republicans can't seem to realize that we the people are over Kevin McCarthy. And we don't want Kevin McCarthy as our speaker. So there's a lot of content and, you know, videos that I'm going to be filming here, confronting politicians that I can share with you. And I definitely want to come on again because I agree with what you're saying. And these are conversations. Yeah. And I love to have you back on. That's why I purposely when I first reached out to you, purposely picked this is the first I'm introducing this segment, by the way, because you got to get going here. I a rapid fire section of questions of yes or no or just one word. It answers. Yeah. Because like I knew this would happen. I'm like, no, anything can happen. I got to be prepared for anything. But we will. But we will do another one maybe next week or so. We can even just do a follow up one or the week after. You tell me is like, hey, we're going to part two. Well, it's because I'm out here confronting all these politicians and we can go through them all, because I definitely want to give you a lot more time. Yes, because that AOC thing was gold. That was that was so beautiful. I, I laughed too hard. Thank you for clipping out just that moment. Like that's that's funny. But hey, if if you if they made a biopic about Laura Loomer, who will play you in the movie? Wow. I don't know. Honestly, you know, I don't really watch a lot of movies. So I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure who would be able to film me. Who do you think should who do you think should do it? I ask myself the same question. Maybe Angela Huston, even though she's a hardcore leftist, but back in her heyday, because you you almost did pull off the Morticia look from her from way back. I'm like, holy smokes. Yeah, no, that's really like dark hair. I have some highlights like them right in my hair now. Yes, I did notice that. Like, wait, did you get those when you were on vacation? Was it Costa Rica? But no, I just did this. I have them that actually before I left. And then, you know, red is kind of one of those colors that takes a lot of maintenance. So when I was in the ocean a lot and then the salt water kind of it's hard on the highlights. But now it's just a little bit of red, just black. Well, I think the compliment you will. Well, if with Jack Dorsey, this whole thing, I want to see a film about Laura versus Jack Dorsey. But how could that not be a rom-com? Yeah. You know, it's funny, too, because with Jack Dorsey is actually interviewed by Rolling Stone magazine a couple of years ago about when I handcuffed myself to Twitter. And he was like, you know, I respect that. I like Laura Lever's protest. Like it was kind of punk rock. And it was funny because they asked him about it and how, you know, he felt about me doing what I did. And, you know, but look, I think I think that we're not going to heal as a country. We're not going to heal as a world unless people who committed these crimes are, you know, faced with justice. So we need justice, especially for the victims of censorship. And just think of how much harm has been carried out in our world over these last few years, especially with the rise, you know, the covid lockdowns due to censorship. And so, you know, just think of everything that's happening in the news cycle right now and how it's impacted by censorship. And I think that Jack Dorsey, as I've said to his face on multiple occasions, he's guilty of election interference. He's guilty of human rights violations and he needs to be held accountable. Yeah, well, it's along those lines. I ask you this question. What's the biggest threat to democracy? Is it the big tech communism, the elites in each party or pineapple on pizza? I would say that it's big tech tyranny because big tech tyranny is a form of communism. All right. And this question, because I need the answer to this. Would you rather go karaoke with Ilhan Omar or would you rather be stuck in an elevator with Alejandro Ocasio-Cortez? Get a lecture from Rashida Tlaib or handcuff yourself inside a shark tank? What was the third one? Get a lecture. What? Oh, get a lecture from Rashida Tlaib. I don't know. Maybe karaoke would be interesting. You know, maybe karaoke would be with Ilhan Omar. Yeah, because she hates me so much. So maybe it would be forced to sit there and do something that's supposed to be fun. Yeah. And she definitely does not like me. Yeah. And well, it's as you're going to be live streaming. So what video games are going to be live streaming? Well, I don't I don't play video games per se, but I have a channel now and I'm just going to be streaming and, you know, doing some commentary and maybe streaming some videos. Maybe I should start playing the right. Last question. Nations like what should I? I used to play a lot when I was a kid. I used to love my Nintendo, but I don't really believe it. But when I was a kid, I was addicted to my Nintendo. It never gets old and it's pocketable now, so you can take it everywhere. Last question, I'm going to leave you before we sign off to everybody else. What's better, satire, the onion, the Babylon B or CNN? I like Babylon B a lot. But yeah, I mean, I don't know that the Babylon B actually turns out to be real news because the satire eventually ends up turning into reality. And the Babylon B has seen this. So a lot of their stories end up turning out to be real stories. So I would say that CNN is just full blown fake news. It's not even satire. But but I really like I don't Babylon B stories. Yeah. All right. So that's a tie between CNN and Babylon B with Babylon being more trustworthy. Laura Loomer, where can people find you online nowadays now that you're back on Twitter? Well, I'm on Gab and Parler and Truth Social. And let's see where else and get her at Laura Loomer. And then I'm on Twitter now again. Thanks to Elon Musk at Laura Loomer. And then I'm on Telegram at Leward Official. And then I have my own website, Leward, L-O-O-M-E-R-E-D dot com. And then, as you pointed out in the beginning, you people can also buy order my book, Leward, How I Became the Most Fanned Woman in the World. And I have signed copies available on my website, Leward dot com. All links, which will be available at the show and the company's episode at WWW dot com. Don't hang up yet, but we're sending off everybody else. Thank you very much for joining me, Laura. I would love to have you on. You say when and I'll make it happen. Sounds good. Thank you.