Welcome to Tea with Erping.
I'm so glad to have our friend Lin
join today's episode
to talk about art in modern China.
Hello everyone,
excited to be here.
Lin is interested in Chinese culture
and she has done quite a bit of research
into Chinese art and history.
Apparently,
she grew up in England
based on her British accent.
In the last episode,
we looked at some of the greatest artists
from the Qing dynasty.
Today,
we arrive at the final chapter.
We are about to cross the threshold
into modern China.
Many of China's most well-known artists
were born or active around this time.
And their works are now highly connected,
though of course still no comparison
to those rare classical pieces.
Well,
one of the most well-known artists
is Qi Baishi inside China.
Everyone knows about this artist.
Lin,
you might have heard of him,
right?
Right,
I've seen lots of his shrimp paintings online
and people joke that his shrimp paintings
are more expensive
than the real shrimps in the market.
I even remember my parents told me
about Qi Baishi when I was young.
But for people watching today,
maybe it's a new name for them.
I think that's pretty much the case
of people outside of China.
His art has made huge waves internationally
in the past 10 years or so.
It changed the way
people look at Chinese art.
Do you know what happened?
2010,
that was a big year for Qi Baishi.
Of course,
the person was long gone,
but his art caught the attention
of everyone in the art world.
One of his works,
called
Eagle Standing on Pine Tree,
set a new record
for Chinese art sales.
How much did it sell for?
Well,
only 65.4 million US dollars.
But that's not all.
In 2016,
the values of his works
came in third
behind Zhang Daqian,
another modern Chinese painter,
and Picasso.
Now,
there's another interesting story
involving these three
that I must tell you later.
In 2017,
a set of his paintings,
the 12 Landscape Screens,
were auctioned for
141 million dollars in Beijing.
He would have been over 60 years old
when he painted them.
So that's the highest amount paid
for a Chinese work of art,
and among the most expensive
artworks in the world.
So why is he so special?
Well,
people like his style
because it's playful
and usually quite bold.
It's eye-catching.
He wasn't afraid of using bright colors.
I noticed that he made paintings
about everyday things
like small animals,
fruits and vegetables,
things people can instantly relate to.
You know what Qi Baishi wrote
for the inscription
on one of his shrimp paintings?
He says,
I'm 78 now,
and people say
I only know how to paint shrimps.
It's so wrong.
It's said
Qi actually preferred painting landscapes,
and that his landscape painting skills
were also impressive.
He was equally skilled
in figure painting,
another major tradition
in Chinese painting.
Qi Baishi could really capture
people's imagination
with his brushwork
that looks a lot like watercolor.
I think there's a name
for this style, right?
Yeah,
so it's called the
Xie Yi Hua.
It means that the artist
focused on capturing the spirit
in painting his subject
instead of his form.
People also called it
impressionistic style.
His style is all about freedom
from painting theory
and past traditions.
Wow,
so how did he become an artist?
Well,
back then,
if you want to be a successful artist,
you would need to have the fortune
of being born into an educated
or artistic family.
Without it,
it's really difficult to have access
to proper education
and cultural knowledge.
And on top of that,
of course,
one needs to be highly talented.
Well,
that's why Qi Baishi's story
is so interesting.
He came from a humble background.
He was born into a peasant family
and didn't have much schooling.
When he was 14 years old,
he started to learn carpentry
and later became interested
in Chinese painting.
I read that in the beginning,
he was self-taught.
So to find good teachers,
he traveled all over China.
Yes,
he went on a huge five-year trip
to learn about classical masters.
He went all over China,
such as Xi'an,
Beijing,
Guilin.
He went even as far as Vietnam.
It sounds like a great tour
in the post-Renaissance era
when it was popular for artists
to spend time in Florence or Rome
to study art.
Yes,
imagine doing that for five years.
So Qi Baishi was able to study
all the early masterpieces.
By the time he settled down in Beijing,
he was already in his 40s.
Don't a lot of people think that
his works look similar
to those of Ba Dashan Ren?
Yeah,
he was greatly influenced
by Ba Dashan Ren's paintings
and Shi Tao's landscapes,
both of whom lived 300 years earlier.
But Qi Baishi's paintings
are more freestyle,
more abstract than Ba Dashan Ren's.
So when he showed his new paintings
in Beijing in the 1920s,
it wasn't popular at all
with the conservative art crowd.
Have you heard of people calling Qi Baishi
the Chinese Picasso?
Or actually,
was that Zhang Daqian?
Actually,
perhaps people don't know about this.
But rumor says
Qi Baishi had quite an influence
upon Picasso.
Qi's style is much more impressionistic,
as he famously said that
paintings must be something
between likeness and unlikeness.
Some critics say that
Zhang Daqian's style is more refined
and closer to the traditional
literati style.
So it just so turns out
that the two artists
have very different styles.
Well,
this brings me back
to the interesting story
I want to share.
Zhang Daqian left China in the 1950s,
traveling to many countries
before settling down in Taiwan.
You know,
Beijing made lucrative offers to him
to return to mainland China,
but he turned them down.
And it's said that Zhang Daqian
actually met Picasso in Louvre in Paris,
or in Spain,
according to another story.
Picasso allegedly told Zhang Daqian
that he wouldn't dare to visit China
because they already had Qi Baishi.
And Picasso was so puzzled
why Chinese artists would go to Paris
to study art,
even traditional Chinese paintings
were so advanced in his view.
But it was known that
Picasso copied Qi Baishi's paintings,
and he felt that Chinese painting
But Qi Baishi is often quoted for saying,
Instead of simply copying
or imitating his style,
he called for artists
to develop their own styles.
Have you heard of Li Keran?
Li is another famous modern painter
in the post-Qing Dynasty period.
In fact,
Li Keran studied for 10 years
with Qi Baishi in Beijing.
I have heard the name.
Didn't he mainly paint landscapes?
Li Keran once studied
a Western oil painting,
but chose to return
to traditional Chinese painting
and follow the literati style.
He was well known
for his later landscapes.
He famously said,
Painting is reading,
not for looking.
I read that during the Cultural Revolution,
Li was severely criticized
for his landscape paintings.
I remember the Chinese authorities
called him out,
labeled his landscape paintings
In English,
it means
Black Mountains,
Black Water,
as though he was intentionally
doing a disservice
to the supposedly
colorful socialist state.
Wait a minute,
isn't using black ink and white paper
the way how traditional
landscape paintings were done?
Well,
they actually called him
a black artist to denounce him.
So Li had no choice
but stop the painting for six years.
After the Cultural Revolution,
ironically,
Li was named president
of Beijing Fine Arts Academy.
What?
Li Keran must have been so confused.
Suddenly he's the favorite?
Well,
things are unpredictable
in an Orwellian society.
In 1989,
Li actually supported
pro-democracy students
on Tiananmen Square,
and passed away later
in the same year.
I heard that these artworks
are now really valuable.
One of his works sold in 2012
for $45 million.
Actually,
Li Keran has more individual artworks
sold for over $15 million
than any other modern Chinese painter.
I just can't believe that
Li Keran had so many ups and downs
as an artist.
You know,
in order to survive,
artists had to make propaganda art
to support the communist revolution.
The authorities have always been interested
in having old art forms
to serve their political cause.
Traditional Chinese art
in many ways has changed
quite a bit over the years.
In the past,
artists painted traditional subjects
such as lofty scholars,
monks,
beauties,
deities,
and of course,
landscapes.
Since the communist revolution,
these are replaced by workers,
peasants,
and Red Army soldiers.
Well,
I remember in the 1970s,
the so-called peasant painting
Nongminghua emerged.
Peasants without any art background
or training
started to publish their drawings
and paintings
in praise of the socialist system.
Chairman Mao wanted a new ideology.
Anything traditional and truly Chinese
was to be left behind.
That's why,
in the 1950s,
many Chinese artists
were sent to the Soviet black countries
to learn what's called
Socialist Realism,
whatever that means.
In my research,
I found that
during the Cultural Revolution,
artists were turning
Chairman Mao's quotes into painting.
This way,
artists wouldn't get into trouble
with their paintings.
Well,
yes,
Li Keran actually was such an example
as he tried to stay in line with the Party
by producing pro-socialism paintings.
Wanshan Hongbian is an example.
Yet,
he still was not able to escape persecution.
Some critics once mentioned
Li was being bold in painting
but was extremely cautious
with expressing his true opinions.
Speaking of Chinese painters,
we can't talk about Qi Baishi
without mentioning Zhang Datian.
Though Zhang was 30-something years younger
than Qi Baishi,
isn't there that famous phrase in China,
Zhang Datian in the South,
Qi Baishi in the North?
But I thought that Qi Baishi
is actually from Hunan originally.
So isn't that in the South?
You're right,
but Qi Baishi lived in Beijing
for most of his later life
after he became recognized as an artist.
After 1949,
the Communist government
actually made him a poster boy
for the so-called Peace Movement.
And gave him the title
of the People's Artist.
In an odd way,
Qi Baishi was lucky
to have passed away in 1957.
Do you know why?
Because during the Cultural Revolution,
the Red Guards came up to tear up his home.
His family members were forced to kneel outside
while the Red Guards
took the paintings,
calligraphy,
and seals.
Apparently,
no one knows what became of those arts.
His family were all artists
and they had to paint in secret
and hide their artworks.
According to my father,
in the early 1950s,
the Chinese authorities
also took away some valuable possessions
that belonged to my grandparents.
And some of the stolen items
were Qi Baishi's paintings
and calligraphy.
My grandparents served
in the Nationalist government
and knew Qi Baishi
because they were all from Hunan province.
But no one knows
where those items are now.
Liu Ping,
I'm so sorry to hear that.
But while we talk about Qi Baishi,
do you know that
Qi Baishi has a great family legacy?
He had 12 kids
and married three wives.
That's a huge family by today's standards.
But I heard actually
that one of his granddaughters is missing.
What happened to her?
Well,
his granddaughter Qi Bingshu
was also an accomplished painter.
It's reported that Qi Baishi
considered her painting style
most resembles his own.
She is the daughter of Qi Baishi's fourth son.
She suffered torture in labor camp
because she practiced
Falun Gong,
a Buddhist meditation.
She refused to give up her belief,
so the police kidnapped her,
threw her into a mental institution,
gave her drugs
that left her unable to paint.
It destroyed her health.
No one knows her whereabouts right now.
It makes me think of what Victor Hugo said,
Well,
Confucius also said
Throughout dynasties,
Chinese people,
including artists,
have been breathing all risks
to follow their own spirituality
or to express themselves
through different art forms.
Sadly,
this remains true in this day and age.
I didn't know about these details before.
I mean,
these contemporary painters are world famous,
their art sells for incredible amounts of money.
But how many know the reality
of what it was like to live without freedom?
You know why we call
the great painters of the past
the grand masters?
It's because they fought for freedom
to achieve higher ideals in those times.
So today,
despite the high auction values
and the glamour of the art world,
we see that arts are moving
further away from tradition.
This appears to be true in music,
literature,
and other cultural forms.
I remember that Leonardo da Vinci said,
Knowledge of the past
and of the places of the earth
Well,
by looking at the past culture and arts,
we can better appreciate
the human endeavor and sacrifice in the past,
and understand why those artists
sought harmony with nature.
Looks like Leo knew what real freedom is.
This is why we should cherish
the freedom we have here in an open society,
and support those who are fighting for it.
With that in mind,
perhaps now is a good time for a tea break.
Thank you so much, Lin,
for being here today.
Until next time,
peace and tea be with you.