Das ein Elektroauto über höhere Strahlenbelastungen von Elektrosmog und Magnetismus verfügt, liegt auf der Hand. Doch Untersuchungen dazu zeigen nicht nur diese höheren Werte auf, sondern auch die neurologischen Auswirkungen auf das Gehirn. Natürlich versucht man mit raschen Entscheidungen die «Welt» zu retten, doch sollte man Chancen/Risiken und der Nutzen vorgängig prüfen und durchdenken.
So hätte die Deutsche Autoindustrie, die heute mit «sicheren, zuverlässigen» Autos glänzen, durchaus die Chance, auch beim verpassten Rally der Elektroautos vorne dabei zu sein, wenn diese den Fokus auf «Gesundheit bei Elektroautos» konzentrieren würden. Dann würden die Karten in diesem Markt bestimmt nochmals neu gemischt werden.
Dr. med. Kurt E. Müller studierte Medizin in Köln und Würzburg und verfügt über eine Facharztausbildung für Dermatologie. Zudem spezialisierte er sich auf Umweltmedizin und doziert dieses Fach seit über 25 Jahren in Österreich, Deutschland und in Luxemburg. Er war Gründungspräsident des Deutschen Berufsverbandes Klinischer Umweltmediziner und der European Academy for Environmental Medicine und Vorsitzender der Deutschen Borreliose Gesellschaft.
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Welcome, dear viewers, here in our format of the Science Committee.
Today we would like to look at the topic of magnetism and electrosmog within electric cars and discuss
and see if there are actually health problems and risks that we should also focus on
and not only focus on the topic of electricity or CO2, but also on health.
I would like to do this today with a scientist who has dealt with it.
After the intro, I'll show you who it is and we'll get down to business. Stay tuned.
Here we are again and now I can also show you my guest, Dr. Kurt Müller. Welcome, dear Kurt.
Yes, thank you very much for your invitation to a topical topic.
Yes, because we are all pushed into this. Everyone has to do this now and drive such a car.
Otherwise you have some kind of climate glue on the car or you will be put in a drawer as an environmental offender.
But we don't want to look at that now. I really want to look at the health aspect.
Yes, of course we are talking about the current solution of climate problems in a bad way.
Politics has nothing that can be done faster than the electric car.
And so, of course, it is also quickly pushed to the market.
And as so often with such hasty introductions, the risk of a method is not considered.
I have experienced the whole thing, I don't know how often, in the decades of my doctorate,
that you do something without actually knowing exactly what you are doing.
And we'll take a look at that a bit.
Together with Diana Hentz, we have done a bit of research on this problem.
And she actually investigates a lot more than I do.
I will point out later what things she has brought in.
First of all, one thing is important. There is no such problem with electric cars.
Instead, every car has its own problem of an electromagnetic field.
That means that the individual vehicle types have different ones.
Within a vehicle brand, you could think that the brand anyway has this problem and the brand Y has this problem.
No, that's not the case.
The individual vehicles of the manufacturers have very individual problems.
Also gasoline, right? Or are we only talking about electric cars?
No, basically every car has an electromagnetic field.
But of course the electric car especially, also due to the size of the batteries, all these things.
And then because a lot more power lines have to be laid, because the drive via electricity also takes place.
So there is a weighting to the electric cars.
But it is not the case that a gasoline or diesel car does not also have an electric field.
So the seat adjustment, the electric one in a diesel car, is also a field problem.
This must not be overlooked.
But with electric cars it is special.
And we have shown here in the first picture how time-consuming it is to equip a vehicle.
And we see from Gabriel Tech, with whom we have worked together, how such measuring technology is prepared.
That it is time-consuming in a workshop, that the vehicle is prepared,
that you can then measure the whole thing under operating conditions.
And as I said, every vehicle or every vehicle type has to be measured individually.
I see a missing of a great opportunity, also with the German manufacturers.
It is lamented that the Chinese simply have this market of electric cars in their hands
and that the European manufacturers hardly have a chance to deal with it.
And there you have another example of short-sightedness.
Because, of course, they have no chance to compete with the Chinese in the value of money,
because they simply produce cheaper.
But what they could do, they could argue about the safety phenomenon,
which has always been the advantage of European production.
We have made finer things technically, more versatile things, more complex things.
In technology, thinking, better thought out.
That was our market chance compared to the cheap products from the Asian region.
That means, if the German car industry wants to resist it,
it is good to actually deal with it and to bring the cars already equipped and protected to the market,
so that this topic plays a significantly smaller role.
And again, you have no open ears for what we say, what Gabriel Tech says,
also the possibilities they have, because they are finished.
They don't have to be created anew.
They are simply ready and can be immediately put into production.
That might increase the price a bit.
But I think there are a lot of consumers who say,
okay, if I have more security for that, then I'll do it.
And if we look at what consequences can arise through the fields
and we can present that transparently to the public,
then you will find a large number of people who say,
okay, I'll spend a little more money for that.
I have more security for that.
And these are now the preparations for the measurements for the car.
And there we see that the driver has such a red cap on.
And that's the cap we use to write an EEG, an electroencephalogram,
in which the brain activity is recorded.
On the right picture we see the same experiments when we do them in the laboratory.
There we see the whole damping against external influences,
all the measuring technology.
And what we see on the right picture, we have to get into the car
when we carry out such tests.
Then you have to say, this EEG that we are writing is a special one.
It is not written in curves like an EKG,
but in these experiments in the car it still has 200 admission points.
We later worked with 256 admission points.
As a result, a computer was able to generate a picture from the data of the recording.
And afterwards we see the picture, similar to an MRT,
in a good visual representation and can then show the consequences,
we'll look at that later, what develops when driving.
When we see later how much the brain changes its function,
then we have to talk about how responsive drivers remain,
how concentrated drivers remain.
All of this has an impact on brain functions,
but we'll get to that in a moment.
Just that you can see here how complex such measuring technology is
and that everything we say does not happen so often.
This has really been done with complex technology
and also with great experience of the performers.
Both from the technical installation,
then all the research has been supported by SALUS,
who have participated in the costs that have arisen
and also in the publication of the research works.
You can no longer vote that alone as a private person.
This is again this hat shown.
It takes about 1.5 hours for the individual points to sit optimally.
And then of course that is also an incentive for the test person.
To simply wear this closed cap for a longer time while driving.
What has also been shown in these trips under 5G influences,
it has also been shown that the companions who were there for the measuring technology,
that they all did not feel comfortable afterwards
when they were constantly exposed to this 5G.
When the test day ended, it was no longer good for the test person,
because of course they were just as exposed as the test person.
And then there are such picturesque results.
And that's the nice thing.
A critic wrote somewhere,
that can't be true at all, because an MRT is so big and so heavy,
you can't take that in the car.
And of course that's not an MRT at all,
it's an EEG, which is almost smaller in size
and of course can also be carried in a car.
I only say that at this point, so that no one gets the same idea.
And then we see in the upper picture, we see the changes within the brain,
which takes place especially in the hypothalamus region of the brain.
And below we see the representation,
when a shielding occurs, as Gabriel-Tech can do in the vehicles.
And of course we see that the driver is much less burdened with the shielding.
It's not nothing at all.
I don't know if you can see the red dot.
Did you fall out of there?
I'll go to the front.
Close that.
Exactly.
I'll try to show it again with the red dot.
That's not possible.
In the lower second picture on the left,
you can see a slight light blue tint on the right.
So it's not zero,
but of course that's incomparably better compared to what we see above.
So that can actually be shielded very well in automobiles in this way.
That would be a sales argument, right?
Exactly.
And if you include such technology in the vehicle
and also achieve measurable effects,
then that is a sales argument.
And that is also something that the German automotive market can position itself.
We will talk at the end.
In general, the electric car is a smart solution.
But if we already use it,
then we have to see how we can minimize risk.
I used to say this again and again when it came to the use of chemicals.
I said we are not opponents of the industry,
but actually partners.
So that we can contribute to product development.
How can products be brought to the market
and the product immanent risks be kept considerably low?
You don't do that until today.
That means you bring a product under technological possibilities to the market
and they have to be cost-effective.
And don't include the risk issue in the planning.
If you include it in the planning, the solution is much cheaper.
If you want to solve it afterwards,
when the problem is already there,
it is always costly.
Resistances are also created.
You have to deal with such issues in a completely different way.
You have to approach each other.
You have to say which ideas you can incorporate into our product.
And how can we bring a product to the market
where the risks of other manufacturers,
which are competitors on the market,
remain.
How can we avoid that?
But I think it's a political issue.
That you look at the topic of electors critically,
with critical eyes,
would ultimately, if it were so,
trigger a wave of frustrations.
A problem generator, Alexander, is hatred.
Whenever I do something hateful,
because I want to eliminate lost 20 years in one year,
at that moment mistakes are made,
because nothing is carefully thought out.
The feasible is done.
And that should be as fast as possible.
And if it is as fast as possible, it is rarely thorough.
And we see that here with such products.
And we also see it in the working group we are in together,
how little is given to us,
although we express ourselves.
Also with you, we have already spoken about 5G.
And at congresses, Diana Henz and I speak.
We speak at congresses on this topic.
So we don't hold back.
But we also have a limited manpower
to bring this to the people.
And that's a shame,
that simply a preventive thinking
has no place in the health care system
and not at all in the industry.
The doctors are unable to pay enough attention
to preventive thinking.
They are used to treat a disease.
They are not used to prevent the development of the disease.
And that is not rewarded.
I had already mentioned this in another program.
We need a reward system for the prevention of disease.
And not a reward for the one who treats the most afterwards.
That creates a market.
The patient becomes a market.
And there is no interest in destroying the market
by avoiding disease.
A disease avoidance is a damage to a market.
As perverse as that sounds,
what I am just saying,
so it is true.
And this is an impressive example.
This is the book in which Diana Henz
has published the first publications.
This means that this is also internationally verified
and is not speculation from us.
And we now have other publications in the pipeline
that have to come out with the latest data,
which are then also immunological.
And there I am leading,
what the immunology is about.
And that was surprising
at what pace the immune system is changing.
And I had encouraged that we
interleukin-1-beta,
we do a large factor alpha examination
and interleukin-6 and 8.
And here we see the picture of interleukin-1-beta.
The left lower column,
where the red line starts,
that is the value before the start of the trial.
And then the experimental people
were exposed to electromagnetic fields.
In this case, water in 5G field.
And then within 30 minutes,
the excretion of this interleukin-1-beta
increased rapidly.
That surprised me myself.
I would have thought it takes longer.
But within 30 minutes
it was significantly pathologically increased.
What does interleukin-1 mean?
It is an inflammatory substance.
So with it the body controls inflammation.
Thank you for the question
that I explain this a little more precisely.
And it is an inflammatory substance
that occurs in the body
and which is then also formed by the brain
via bodily signals to the brain.
That can explain to us
why Diana Hinz in the EEG sees this.
I'll get to that in a moment,
why there are differences
between my immune response
and her EEG response.
Nevertheless, it was surprising.
The back light gray columns
indicate the upper limits of the norm.
And then we see that
all levels of disease were increased
until the second hour.
They then gradually decreased,
but remained pathologically increased.
Then we have a second substance,
that is the tumor necrosis factor alpha,
also an inflammatory substance.
Since it was found for the first time
in tumors in general,
it was called tumor necrosis factor.
That's an unfortunate name,
because when I tell a patient
that he has tumor necrosis factor alpha,
he thinks he has a tumor.
This value is not associated with tumors,
but occurs in many other infections.
It would have been better
to call him differently at the time,
but because it was found at the time,
he got the name and kept it.
I only emphasize that
if someone is told
that tumor necrosis factor alpha is increased,
he does not have a proven value
for a cancer.
This value increases more slowly
and is then increased
from the 90th minute.
Again, the gray columns
are the upper limits of the norm
and increases until the second hour.
We will now check in future trials
beyond two hours,
because I think that TNF alpha,
this tumor necrosis factor alpha,
remains increased for much longer.
In the time investigated,
the substances interleukin 6 and 8
have not increased dramatically,
probably because they only come later.
We have to investigate that.
But now let's look at
the hypothalamus.
Here I have a picture
from a publication
from the end of the 90s.
We see that interleukin 1
and tumor necrosis factor alpha
are already known
as important infectors
of the hypothalamus
for over 20 years.
This means
that with this inflammation
that occurs in the body,
we also intervene in the brain function.
This is exactly what
Diana Hinz found
in the EEG disc.
There you can see
that there is a change
between the immune system
and the brain function.
What amazed me
in such a short time,
let's say 30 minutes,
was still in the city traffic.
Anyone who drives from Munich
from one side to the other
has this time.
Anyone who drives a long-distance
motorway in Germany
is completely in the area
within the fields
that he is exposed to.
We have shown this
again correlated together.
We wrote at the same time.
So we could see
how the hypothalamus changes
and how the inflammatory substances
go up.
And then of course
it doesn't matter
in which situation
I do that.
If the patient now
has a flu-like infection
and I then increase
the inflammatory substances
via electromagnetic fields,
then of course
gasoline is the fire
poured into the burning fire.
Then the question was asked
whether there could be side effects.
They were immediately
swept off the table.
That would be nonsense.
I can say no,
because of this knowledge
it is not nonsense.
The layman asks this question
correctly and makes it right.
And because of these findings
side effects are
quite possible.
Then there were still investigations
I always call him
the Methuselah
of this research technology.
He is even older than me.
We used to work a lot
together in the
investigation of the effects
of chemicals.
This picture shows the general
bleeding of the brain.
He could show that electromagnetic
fields change the
supply of the brain
because the exchange of oxygen
decreases.
We have so many in society
who say I'm tired, I'm exhausted.
These are exhausted brains.
They no longer get the
energy supply they need.
The brain is a
high-performance engine.
It does not get
30 percent of the total
energy supply of our body
to the brain.
If we have a lack of
supply there, we always have
a reduction in overall performance.
The body is tired, it is exhausted,
it is restless, it is
desperate, it is
hopeless, it is not
psychogenic, but it is a
functioning downregulation.
And this is what Heuser
showed in his publication
a few years ago.
What we know
is that inflammation
stimulates the
Sympathicus nerve.
We can measure
this with
such fields.
The moment the
Sympathicus goes up,
that is the red line above
that we see,
the inflammation in the body
is intensified again.
And I'm in stress, right?
In the middle is a
vertical line,
the dotted line.
Up to this line,
and
the sympathetic and parasympathetic
nervous system parallel.
And all of a sudden they go apart.
And Professor Straub from
the University of Regensburg says,
the moment they go apart,
disease starts.
Then this Sympathicus dominates,
the inflammation so much, it attacks.
And in the small picture on the right
we see a normal Sympathicus
activity in this
red column, in the middle
three columns, purple, red,
blue. And then we see
the red column suddenly very high,
below that happens
when the Sympathicus becomes highly active.
And we can
measure that with such fields.
And at the same time it is
connected with high energy consumption.
And I measured the whole thing
with myself,
because in my
penthouse apartment 5G suddenly
was very strongly exposed.
And then we see my
findings before and then below,
under the exposition.
And there we see how high
it can go.
At night I was
awakened, then I measured
how it increased at night.
These are the narrow columns.
The Parasympathicus went
down strongly. I had a high
heart rate and also high blood pressure values,
which were up to 240 in the night.
We don't talk about these risks
that we are talking about.
We don't talk about how many strokes
happen on this path.
And what can happen there.
There is a lot to talk about
and that is the last thing I want to
address about the mechanisms.
The so-called
ion-controlled
electrically controlled
ion channels are changed
in the circuit. What does that mean?
In English
we call them
electricated channels.
That means they basically have an electric
switch to open and close.
And there it shows
that they are susceptible to such
field influences from the outside
and can be switched
against the need.
Then it comes to
calcium infusion
into the cell, which can then
damage the cell and at the same time
the calcium outflow.
We are now starting to measure this,
because we believe that this can be a good parameter
for electrosmog load
also in vehicles.
Whether then the calcium suddenly
goes up into the outer cell
and the calcium into the cell,
because then we have
damage processes from mitochondria
that then run off.
And it would be important to know that.
The problem is a bit
the measuring technique, because the
calcium value can be distorted
by many external influences when measuring.
Even the shaking of the blood,
the transport, changes the value of the calcium.
So that's a bit difficult
from the measurement
technology challenge.
But basically it's just a way.
But we must
not forget
the ecological balance
in all this.
What else do we have
of technological problems?
We have to say
that we replace
a scarce resource,
the oil resources of the world,
by a substance
that is even more scarce.
We use lithium
for the production of batteries.
This substance is much more scarce
than oil.
It is also won with child labor
and under the worst conditions worldwide.
And what solution do you see
when we compare the cars
with petrochemicals,
when we want to replace them
completely with electric cars
and everyone should get lithium batteries?
What do we think?
How quickly we have exploited
the world for all descendants
and can no longer
recreate the whole thing.
Then
the necessary
power supply
is currently due to very
insufficient sources.
This has just been addressed
in today's debate.
Due to a lack of electricity,
we are now buying the electricity
from bad French nuclear power plants.
The gas that we partly
use for electricity production
is made from fracking technology.
On the way,
30% of the amount of gas
is already lost.
It is a very un-ecological form.
Or reactivate like the coal power plants.
Then we have
a very lacking
solution of risk management.
We know that when lithium batteries burn,
a conventional
extinguishing of the fire is practically impossible.
If you don't get out of the car,
it will burn in no time.
The heat development is
extremely massive.
We need a submersible to extinguish.
This means that the burning object must be
lowered. Only then can it be extinguished.
We don't even have an infrastructure for this.
And what happens when an accident
with 30 vehicles, as we experience
again and again, happens?
And if then
under the 30, 2-3 start burning
and then it starts?
It is an unsolvable situation
from my point of view,
which we take for granted.
We do the charging facilities.
We install
in new buildings that we build.
What happens when a car
in the garage
starts to burn under the residential building?
These fires can hardly be extinguished.
We have accepted many things
without having a solution ready.
In addition to the
health issues,
there are also ecological issues.
And this euphoria
that is spread here,
I can't quite share.
Apart from the fact that, of course,
the density of the charging stations
is not up to the real demand at the moment.
So there are many problems.
There are
technological problems.
But there are also ecological ones.
And overall,
the euphoria that you have with this technology
is not really well justified.
And prevention is not included.
It would still be a possibility
for the industry to intervene.
I would very much like that.
Because it is not a market deterioration,
but it is an improvement
of the market for the industry
to have open ears for some things.
Again, these incineration processes
are increasing.
That means,
shortly or for a long time,
because of this mismatch,
when the sympathic is constantly in stress,
adrenaline outburst,
the body has to fight against it all the time.
So in the end,
there is the potential for disease.
Yes, of course.
Two things happen.
We heat up inflammation
and are constantly inflamed
when we are constantly exposed to these fields.
We also generate more energy,
as we discussed with hypothermia.
We generate energy consumption there.
But we also generate
increasing energy consumption here.
And we have a population
that constantly complains
about exhaustion,
performance impairment
to an unprecedented extent
in a society that
apparently gets everything
in supermarkets in terms of nutrition,
that lives in social housing
that was completely unthinkable,
that is in social security.
And yet people
are no longer happy,
no longer alive.
They sneak through life
and complain about fatigue,
exhaustion, unhappiness to a high degree.
We just have to think about
such effects.
And what do we generate
through simply unthinkingly
introduced technology?
Thank you very much.
Dr. Kurt Müller,
this was for you, dear viewers.
And I think if we are talking
about prevention and health
preservation,
what should be the main focus
in a far-sighted analysis,
so that we really
don't slip into an illness,
then this topic simply
should not be missing
and should really be discussed
in the industry.
So that we should actually
save the world with it
and on the other hand
also go back into
a lot of dangers.
In this sense, thank you for watching.
See you next time and take care.