ExclusiveDoes Trump Have a Legal Path to Victory? - RNC member Shawn Steel

So now we have Mr. Sean Steel joining our program via Skype. Thank you so much for coming on to our show, Sean. It's a great honor. I'm glad to be here. I like your program. I particularly like your listeners and your viewers. Thank you so much. And I have to say first, I want to congratulate your wife, Michelle, for winning the congressional seat of the 48th District of Orange County. I think it's absolutely amazing. It was a supreme battle. She's highly disciplined. Her parents escaped from the communists in North Korea. Her mother wrote about it when she was in Seoul, Korea, when the communists took over Seoul two times. Very vicious in 1950. We have since republished that book and multiple times English and Korean. So it was a battle. And we had a huge money. The Democrats spent $19 million and still beat them back. And it was a great, great victory for freedom. Great. I hope that I will have a chance to talk to her about her story in one of my future interviews. So I look forward to that. Yes. Great. Great. So let's let's talk about this election. First, let's talk about today's press conference held by President Trump's legal team. Now, in the conference, Mayor Giuliani gave loads of information about voter frauds and including examples of affidavits. Attorney Sidney Powell talked about Dominion's Smartmatic voting system fraud. And she said that President Trump won't buy a landslide and they're going to prove it. Jenna Ellis, another member of Trump's legal team, said that we're here to protect and preserve the election integrity. So, Sean, first, can you share with us what do you think of the press conference and what do you think of the evidences presented? I think it's important. Many times people don't want to talk about this uncomfortable subject. There's been voter fraud in every democracy and every dictatorship, more so in dictatorships, of course, since human beings started voting. And it's something that it's a bad human impulse. But Democrat cities for 150 years, New York, Chicago, Philadelphia, Los Angeles are notorious for major voting fraud. People have gone to jail. Democrats have gone to jail frequently and regularly. And so it's something that needs we need a spotlight on. And we may not win the presidency this time, but Biden, if he becomes president, is very weak and he doesn't have a mandate. Seventy three million people, the highest vote in all of American history, voted for Trump. Now, Biden got more votes mainly because of California. But if without California, it was a very even even just the raw votes themselves. So it's something that we can't ignore. And we need to put the Democrats on notice that we have to change the rules. All I want, all we want, if you're going to fly an airplane and show I.D., the same rules should be for voting. And there's a lot of people that possibly a lot of illegal immigrants. We know that for a fact our voting and once they're found out, they will never become they'll lose their green card status and they should be removed. So the Democrats like to make that excuse and allow illegals to vote that they shouldn't be doing. And of course, the machine Democrats like to have dead people vote. And we've seen some evidence of that. Now, I don't know if it's going to be enough to convince the courts, particularly the Supreme Court, to intervene. But what it does is it shows that Biden's hands are not clean. They're dirty. And if he if he won the election, he did it through devious means means he will be a weak president. So what Trump's doing is right. It's correct. We only want honest votes counted. That's all Republicans are asking for. You know, on Monday, attorney Sidney Powell released an affidavit from a key witness. This whistleblower actually was working at the Venezuela and he had an extensive military background. He claimed to have witnessed how the Smartmatic software was designed to secretly manipulate votes without leaving a trace. So Miss Powell, she talked about this Dominion slash Smartmatic voting system fraud a lot. And she said votes could be switched from Mr. Trump to Mr. Biden. And that's exactly what had happened. So she indicated this year it was massive election fraud. It wasn't the ordinary election or voter fraud that we have seen in the past. What do you what's your take on that? Liberals have complained about electronic voting for four for 20 years. They have written about it, discussed it, worried about it, having some hacker come in and changing the program, changing the algorithm and having people vote switched around now because they have won. Now they're saying, oh, no, everything's fine. The machinery is great. You got to trust the process. That's why the recount is very important. You know, the machines are supposed to make things faster, but in some ways it slows everything down. So we must always have paper ballots. Now, in Wisconsin, we lost that by a little bit, not by much. We won it by a little bit four years ago. Now we lost it a little bit. Now Trump has paid three million dollars cash deposit to pay for, that's the law, to pay for the recount. Now, if he wins on the recount, he gets all that money back. So that's going to be very interesting. Wisconsin is going to be a very much of a tell. It's going to be counting that the paper ballots. So no matter what kind of electronic system you have, there should be a universal law. Always have the paper ballots. Paper ballots are harder to manipulate and they're easier to trace. If you have an electronic system like they did again in Wisconsin, where one county, you know, that same machine had mislabeled six thousand votes. They gave the Biden instead of Trump. Yeah, well, there wasn't enough of that so far. But it's very important to have the recount and the check every single vote. So most Americans are satisfied. Most Americans are suspicious of this election. At least half, half of America that voted for Trump. Very suspicious. And so those questions have to be answered. If the Democrats refuse, then they're weak and nobody's going to trust them for four years. It'll be a bad four years for the Democrats. Well, you know, there are cases in Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Pennsylvania, and especially in Pennsylvania. One of the cases, the Trump's legal team already said that they will bring it up to Supreme Court. So what will happen next? Do you see that some of these legal cases get to Supreme Court soon? And will the Supreme Court pick them up? You know, we don't know which cases are going to get there yet. And Trump doesn't either. It's going to really depend on how well it depends on how what what what are the chances that the legal case will actually change the outcome? So let's assume we lost Pennsylvania by 100000 votes. It's much closer than that. But you have evidence of 20000 votes, clearly dishonest and illegal. That won't change the outcome. So the Supreme Court probably says, well, we're not going to get involved. There's no no point. But if you can show that 150000 votes were tampered with, then the chances are better because then the court says, well, we better look at this and we better argue it. Well, Mayor Giuliani said there's a case of six hundred eighty thousand ballots that are in question. And that's what we need to find out and explore. Sadly, Pennsylvania is under complete Democrat control. They have a very aggressive left wing attorney general, a very corrupt governor, a bad secretary of state and the counties that are involved, the Democrat counties, particularly in Philadelphia. So it's going to be hard breaking that open, but it can be done. We'll see if we can we can get the court's attention. Now, the court Supreme Court, what most lawyers understand is that they don't want to make a choice. They want Americans to make the choice for president. So the court really would rather stay away and not get involved until unless there's just a mountain of evidence that's that you can show that. And actually, not not not circumstantial, but you got the guy in charge of the voting who admitted to a bunch of friends that they cheated and stole two hundred thousand votes. You need that kind of evidence or somebody that was there and says, I saw what they did. They took two hundred thousand Republican votes and they threw it in the river. You need something obvious, not not circumspect or not theoretical, but something that's hard, what's called hard evidence. That's very difficult, but we'll see what what unfolds. Giuliani is a good spokesman, but Sidney Powell is a smart lawyer and she knows what will what the Supreme Court will accept. Yeah, they did talk about, you know, direct evidences today and they said they could not release, of course, all the affidavits for the sake of their safety. But they did say that they have like in Michigan alone, they have over 200 affidavits from direct witnesses. So I guess the court will see eventually how strong are their evidences. Right. And what I'd like to see out of Michigan, because we lost it by 140,000 votes. Remember, we won it by 10,000 votes last time. And we have to keep in mind those Democrat states, you know, they went for they surprised everybody, including Trump, went for Trump. Well, this time it was it was different. And those Democrat states to try to show one hundred forty thousand dollars, 140,000 bad votes is very, very difficult unless you just have people that can show you and point to and be very specific about it, not guess. They have to be direct eyewitnesses. And many of those people are not going to talk. But the bigger the number is, the bigger the number of votes, more people have to know about it. Look, in China, everything is controlled by the government, everything. But the bigger the the massacre, the bigger the human harvesting, more people know about it. So we have tremendous proof what's going on in China because we have people, eyewitnesses, videotapes. That's the level of proof that we need. The evidence, the overwhelming evidence, what's going on in human organ harvesting in China is no longer to be doubted. It's internationally accepted. But that took 20 years of hard work and details and people and personal stories, big stories. And so that's the level of evidence we need. We need something overwhelming. And I don't think we've reached overwhelm yet. I think we're getting close. Yeah. The Trump's lawyer did say today that this kind of mass, the case on the mass scale usually takes years. And but they they actually, you know, work around the clock, I'm sure, to gather the evidence. We may run out of time. Remember, there's one big deadline. I think it's December 15th for the Electoral College. They're the only body that can elect the president, not the voters, not the media, not the not congressmen, but the Electoral College. And if they once they make a decision, that's pretty much going to be it. Yeah. So definitely the time is of essence here. But you just mentioned Michigan. I want to talk a bit more about Michigan, because like I myself and our reporters, we interviewed at least two Republican poll watchers who were there. Right there on the site. And they saw some irregularities and they even saw like trucks of ballots came in late at night, like four o'clock in the morning. So now today we saw something in Michigan. After a couple reversals, the two Republican members on the Michigan-Wayne County Election Board, they formally declined to certify the election result. Now, what does it mean? Does it mean that the election result of the state of Michigan cannot be certified now that the biggest, one of their biggest counties, the biggest county in Michigan, refused to certify the election result? It's a big question. First of all, Detroit is huge. But sadly, because of Democrat corruption, two mayors are still in jail this moment from Detroit. It's a very dirty, very corrupt, very chaotic city under Democrat control for, you know, about 100 years. So, of course, all the bureaucrats that have thrived and lived in that system are not clean. The fact that you had two Republicans, it created a legal question. And the legal question, something that really made it complicated, is that the Republicans in Wayne County, and the fact that there are Republicans in Wayne County is a good story. They certified it first, then they changed their mind. So the courts might take a different position on that. They could have never certified anything coming out of Wayne County. So that might be a tactical error. For them to change their mind is a little late. And so that worries me a little bit. But remember, they had pressure on them. They have homes, they have families, they have children. And so I'm sure now that the Republican National Committee has provided them round-the-clock security protection. This is serious stuff, especially in a place as dangerous as Detroit. So you're saying at this point, it's not clear whether the state of Michigan will still get to certify the election result. If they don't, then the 16th election. The beauty is that that is a legal question. The courts have to resolve that. Was the fact that two of them, see, they need a certain number of poll officials to say, hey, it's certified, it's good. When the two Republicans dropped out, they don't have the legal necessity. What worries me is that they approved it last week and now they change their mind. Yeah, I think that on Monday, you know, the courts, they say, hey, you already approved it. You can't change your mind. Once you once you said it was OK, you don't get to change your mind later on. So we don't know that yet. Yeah, we don't know that yet, because I heard I saw one of the tweets from President Trump. He said that they refused to sign the document. So maybe at the time when they agreed to certify, they already agreed, but they didn't sign the documents. Yeah, that may be true. I would not want to be one of those Republican officials. They're under a lot of threats right now. Yeah, that's another thing I think it worries a lot of people. These two Republican members, as well as their family members, were threatened when they initially refused to certify the result. And now we heard that sorry, we heard that lawyers on President Trump's legal team, they also got threatened. You know, I at least I would never think that this would happen in America in daylight. So what's going on here? Black Lives Matter could could ruin neighborhoods for 20 years that that Antifa could kill people in the streets and get away with it. And that they could seize cities for four months on end. So nothing surprises me. It's become much more violent as the left gets more power hungry and more violent. So, of course, lawyers and poll watchers are going to be threatened. We know this. But if if America's worth saving it, you've got to stand up and take a chance. So that's why we have to protect our own. We have to hope the police can help us. But if they defund them, we have to have our own abilities to protect ourselves and to protect our friends. But why did this happen to our country? And what do you think people can do to to change this kind of situation? Certainly no one wants to be threatened just because you express opinion or fulfill your duties. It's funny. Republicans won everything except the presidency. And and the biggest thing that hurt two big things hurt the Democrats, mostly one defunding the police. Nobody likes that. It's stupid. And the biggest victims are poor black people. They're the ones that suffer the most. And secondly, the other great problem is that the Democrats, besides going for defunding the police, kept talking about socialism. And you saw what happened in the Latino communities. We got huge votes out of Miami. People from Venezuela, from Cuba that know socialism, let alone Asian-Americans, Vietnamese-Americans who were on fire for Trump all across the country. So people. Another person elected with Michelle's Ukrainian woman from Indianapolis. She was born in the Ukraine, speaks Russian and English. So she's from anybody from a communist environment is our closest allies in America. And the young, spoiled children going to the fanciest schools that learn to hate America have no idea what socialism is. Actually, that's another thing. So I think the probably a lot of people are saying that this election is so important because it determines the direction of this country, whether it will go on a more socialism, communism direction or it can go back to the traditional value. The founding principle of America. What do you think of it? Yeah, you are absolutely correct. It's the most important election now are the two Senate seats in Georgia. We win those two. Biden is stopped cold and he'll get nothing done. Oh, he'll even if he appoints judges, it's going to be hard for them to get approved by a Republican Senate. But Biden is going to have to leave the progressives in the Democrat Party to do anything. We have a lot of power on the House floor, which we didn't before. Nancy had overwhelming powers. Now she has small power in the House of Representatives. The Senate's going to hold firm because they don't they they won't forget the nasty attacks that they got in 2020 and in earlier elections. So so I think I think it's entirely possible Biden's going to have a miserable, unsuccessful presidency. And that's our goal. We don't want him to be successful. Because what he stands for is bad for America, bad for freedom. So what would you encourage people to do like at this critical juncture? Like, well, I said, I'll tell you, let's talk about Georgia. I sent my top three aides that helped Michelle, kids, young kids, a girl from Pepperdine University and and two other kids are really, really sharp. And I sent them to Georgia and they're now 100 miles west of Atlanta on the toward toward the Atlantic Ocean and the community they've ever been to. So there are thousands of young people and our team going to Georgia working full time. They need to be supported. And that comes from the Republican National Committee. We have the candidates, small donations. Look, one thing we've learned to do, the Democrats had controlled the big money from small donations until 2020. Trump turned that around and now everybody can participate online. So you give a few dollars, 20 dollars a month. It makes a difference if if 100 people do it or 100000 people do it or a million people do it, it changes history. And so that's like the immediate concern is keeping control of the Senate. And in the meanwhile, doing this program, take this program and share it with two friends. You don't have to share with 100 friends, but take the information that you get. That's good information. That's honest information. And share it with your friends, because that's that's what Niu Teng Dynasty does. You have this good, highly produced, smart reporters that are coming with the truth. So don't be afraid to share your ideas. Well, thank you for the compliments, Sean. So one last question is about Georgia, actually, the recount. I understand the Georgia Senate race is very, very important. But currently with the Georgia recount process, the process has finished. But it certainly seems to be a very problematic process. You see uncounted ballots popping up here and there. In one instance, over 9000 votes was erroneously counted for Biden. And there's no verification of signatures. So what do you think of the recount process of Georgia? Well, that's one of the closest contests. Now, between me, I'm just a political guy. We never should have lost Georgia. I don't know why we lost Georgia. That's always been the heartland. We've had that state for some 30 years. And I think it might have been a political error on our side. I think our team took it for granted. Remember the states that we focused on, North Carolina, Texas and Florida. We won and won very big in Florida. It was it was much better today than it was four years ago. So I think we have to look at some of our own people. Why did we fail on Florida, on Georgia? So that's that's the first thing we have to look at ourselves. We can't blame everybody for everything else. Georgia is ours. Now we're going to have to fight and reclaim it. And not because it's a complete Republican state. I mean, I mean, from top to bottom, overwhelming in the legislature, the governor, the secretary of state, the attorney general, most of the congressmen, it's it's a it's a Republican heart. So we shouldn't have lost Georgia. We should have won it by several hundred thousand votes. But we didn't. And so there was a political error. We didn't. I think we just didn't spend enough time there. That's that's important. And number two, if there's any fraud on a big scale, we're going to find it in Florida. We may never find it in Philadelphia. We may not find it in Detroit, but yes, we'll find it in in in Georgia. I happen to know the U.S. attorney is a Korean-American for for Georgia. He's very good. He's a good prosecutor. He's from Atlanta. So if there's any really bad stuff, that's the best date for us to find it. Georgia's our best opportunity to prove real fraud. Yeah, I know Trump's legal team are still they they filed lawsuits there trying to prevent the state from certifying the election. We have good judges in Georgia. We don't have them in in Wisconsin. The judges in Michigan are terrible. They're even worse in Pennsylvania. Georgia has great judges. Ninety percent of them are good. So if there's a case to be made, it's in Georgia. But I'm I'm a little upset. How do we lose Georgia? And I want to look at some of my political people, say, how did you guys lose Georgia? It's like losing Alabama. You can't lose it. No excuse. But that's another battle. Well, in terms of that actually leads to my final question, because we do see leftism ideology spreading more and more in this country, especially among young people. And I know that for fact, young people actually are more and more leaning towards socialism nowadays. At least they don't think it's a bad idea. And some even some don't even oppose to communism. Like your wife you just introduced. She came from, you know, like a country where they knew very clearly what communism is. So what would you say to today's? All from North Korea. Her whole family is from North Korea. Her whole family. Oh, definitely. So say so they knew what communism is like. So what would you say to today's young people? I think we have to as conservatives, we have half the country voting for us. We have more than half the country voting for our legislators. We need to have a fundamental reexamination of socialism and communism. We need to take the victims of those countries and have them talk to these students. And we can't trust the universities. We need to approach them outside the university presence. And those college Republicans and those college conservatives, we need to empower them. For 30 years, I've been a lawyer defending conservative students on campus for free. And I think more lawyers need to step up and more organizations need to adopt the local campus and defend the conservatives on campus. It's all about free speech, free speech and valid information of publications. Look, we're expanding and TV is a new dynamic that's going to help people that don't trust CBS or ABC or Bloomberg or mainstream media. Most Americans don't trust them anymore and most Americans don't tune into them. It's this kind of information, this kind of media that can get to the students, that can get to the next generation. And we don't we should not give up. We should just double down and do more hard work. Yeah, I agree. Thank you so much, Sean. I think these are very important issues and questions that need to be talked about. And I think I agree with the lawyers in President Trump's legal team that American people have the right to access this information and they have the right to know the truth of this election. So thank you so much for coming to our show. It's going to help our future elections by really getting to the truth of the matter today. Thank you so much. Thank you. It's a honor to be with you and your entire team. I appreciate it. And I look forward to seeing your work. You're the most important media group that I know of worldwide advancing human freedom. And that is my number one concern, human freedom. Great. Thank you so much, Sean. I hope to talk to you soon. Thank you. Bye.