Ngopi: Ngobrol Psikologi

[Music] Hello friends, Afi, back again on the YouTube channel @fil Indonesia TV and now we are both present on the program. Come on, let's have coffee, let's talk about psychology. OK. Why is there a program where we drink coffee like that? Besides, of course, because it's like The title is We want to talk about psychology, uh, what kind of psychology is this? It's about psychology in various contexts, of course, and in possible settings, if a lot of friends have met in or have participated in Indonesian familial activities, many of them have been in seminars, many have been in training, but Sis, this time we I want to be more relaxed, maybe I'll talk about everyday things, but of course it's still related to various psychological sciences, but not as serious as when maybe friends have attended seminars and training, so we'll talk about a lot of things around us. every day from various points of view of psychologists who of course have their own expertise and expertise and tonight on Let's have coffee, the first episode in January, we have guest psychologist Ega Hi psychologist Ega Hello, all Afi friends and also psychologist Putri Oke I'm so happy tonight that I'm accompanied by Ega along with psychologist Ega. Well, at our coffee event today we want to chat about art, but maybe before we want to talk further about art, maybe I can ask psychologist Ega to introduce himself first. in the past and perhaps especially now, I've been involved a lot in that way, yes, as a psychologist, please OK, thank you very much, psychologist, Putri, so let me introduce myself, my name is wifetri a ee, maybe you 're familiar with my ee, but usually I'm called by the nickname Kak Ega, Mbak Ega Teh Ega or Ega eh, that's free, right? Currently, if you ask me what I'm involved in as a clinical psychologist, eh, teenagers and adults in the Indonesian ad family, but I mostly handle or accompany clients from teenagers to adults like that, psychologist Putri, okay, thank you, psychologist Ega So Psycholega has met a lot of teenage and adult clients, but today we will not only talk about teenage and adult clients because our topic tonight is very closely related to all ages, all groups in all situations, namely art in daily life. or art in everyday life because maybe if there is an additional introduction from me, this psycho is also a psychologist at e AVI who also has expertise in the field of art therapy, so there are lots of treatments, for example, there are referrals or usually there are also child or adolescent clients who It turns out that you need an AR therapy approach, usually a psychologist, Ega, yes, the ARTS therapy is given, that's why we want to talk about art, but of course we won't thoroughly discuss art therapy, but we want to discuss art in everyday life. Well, maybe if we talk about art in life Every day we will start from the phenomenon itself, psycholohega. Eh, if we look at art, it's something that is very close to us, like at the beginning, it seems like all groups of all ages, and in various situations, art is always there in various shapes and forms too. For example, maybe friends also experience it in everyday situations, for example young people or teenagers, if they are heartbroken when they hear it, they definitely want to hear a song like that, yes, it's part of maybe the art of music, like that. or from a young age we are introduced to children from an early age who are often first introduced to colors and shapes. Of course that is also part of art, yes, for example, if you remember last time the pandemic started to emerge, lots of new hobbies such as e what's the name of gardening like that, e what's it called and also cooking, starting there are various recipes that can be made easily and cheaply at home, we also think e we agree that it's part of art because apparently it's human life with art itself so we don't It can be separated from the name of art, but before that, if we can say that we encounter art every day, actually what is art, sioloh Ega, we might start from there first, OK, OK, that's really true, what was explained by the psychologist Putri, right? Eh, that's the impression. Art is indeed there every day, but we ourselves are quite abstract about art, so what is art actually or are there many people who think that art can only be enjoyed, for example in museums or maybe even in designs if you, ladies and gentlemen, Afi's friends, all of you, look at it. Actually, there are many streets, like us, designs or advertisements are part of art, but if I personally see art, why is it there in activities or every day without us realizing it? We always use it, so art is something that Maybe it could be said that sometimes we don't really use it like that, it gives the impression that painting can't be used like that or can only be enjoyed, but actually art is something that we make, yes, one example is the example of the laptop that we are currently using. Yes, E psychologist Putri, it is a form of art, why Eh, because something is created and created, whether it has a purpose or not, many people think that art has to be paintings and maybe pictures, music, songs or whatever, but like the example of the glass that exists these pictures are a form of art, why if there is no glass and we don't add it, for example, examples of paintings or pictures of flowers, we will assume that yes, it's just a place to drink, it's just a glass, even though it's a form of art, why do we use something? things that are created by other people. Actually, humans are also art, but they are not created by humans, they are created by God and creators like that, pycologist Putri, okay, wow. So actually, what is art? Why does it give the impression that it is abstract and it seems like everything is all art, because in fact that's what it is, whatever? Actually, there is a creation process, the creation process is part of art, that's why it was really interesting. Siolega said that even our laptops are part of art. Yes, the table, what is the name of the stationery around us, it's the same shape, but it's actually still part of art too, right? Well, actually, for example, e means that the scope of art is that broad, yes, psychologically. Ega, perhaps, maybe we can go deeper and go further, meaning how far is art actually related to humans and even specifically to our psychological aspects, because I think There are a lot of them, for example, if we're in a counseling session or maybe a training seminar or maybe there's a lot of psycho-education on social media, there's also a lot of approaches that are also related to art, so it turns out that actually first aid or its psychological effects are also big, so what's the actual connection? and to what extent, OK, well, maybe in everyday life, that's how it is, as time goes by or as we grow up, that's how art tends to be, it's not something that we appreciate properly, why do we have this tendency? Yes, I can't draw. I'm not. I'm not an artistic person. I'm not a design person, it seems like it doesn't exist in our daily lives like that, Ee and I only consider art to be what is displayed in museums, for example like that or what we listen to, e.g. music, whether it's from e.e. from anywhere, like that, yes, music is art. but actually, because art comes from anywhere or in our daily lives when we write, it is also our form of art, like that, that's a really good example, Princess. Cooking is actually an art. Why do I say cooking is an art? We have to think about it first. First of all, what do I want to cook? Oh, fried rice, for example, is there any ingredients? No. Oh, there are the ingredients, do you cut it into pieces first? That's my fried rice creation, it's not necessarily the same as the fried rice. Psychologist Putri, it's our form of art. Oh, gardening is also an art. Even though it's possible, yes. it's just planting, planting, planting, but when it's put together, and maybe it's planted, we're happy, it's a form of journaling, it's actually a form of art too, so in fact, as we get older, many people think that art doesn't exist in our lives, even though in fact art is in fact in all of our lives at all times, perhaps there are or only think that only children can enjoy art, only children can draw, yes, yes, they can play with colors, play with crayons, ee, or also draw, paint, stick, ee now there are also scrapbooks, for example, like crochet, knitting and various things, it's actually an art that we can do, but it doesn't only have to be done when we were children, that's how it was when we were children, but even now it can actually be like that, psychologist Putri OK, so Yes, that's true, because it's in our everyday lives. So actually we also need to realize that our daily lives or daily activities also actually contain elements of art, not just the ones like just enjoying the season or like enjoying paintings. Which seems to be what I think. What does this mean? That's right, that's right, even earlier. If, for example, we take the example of cooking in a professional context, yes, in terms of cooking, they also think about how the plating has to be beautiful. In fact, it's a high level of art too, that's right, okay. but what's interesting is why art appears to be so close to us, actually, if it's related to the human psychological side, yes, it's probably related to what's happening inside us, actually. Why does art play such a big role? What's actually possible within us as humans? psychologically or maybe there is a physical explanation as well, I don't know, maybe to what extent art really has an influence on humans. OK, because art is very, very broad, yes. There is art, for example, painting, music, crochet sculpture and so on. If we want to talk about it in a theoretical form, yes, it will definitely have an influence, either psychologically or physically, for example, for example, certain beats in music can actually have a direct physical influence, so there are actually several studies abroad. There's a lot of research on this, right? Abroad, mothers who are about to give birth are given music with a low beat of 60 to 80 bits per minute. BPM, why is that? Because without realizing it, with a beat of 60 to 80 minutes, our heart, our breathing, follows 60 to 80 bits per minute. ee minute, that's why mothers who give birth are not given rock music, so they're afraid, they end up pausing like that, yes, they're tense, yes, they're really tense. That's right, the more tense they become, the more their breathing becomes faster, their heart beats faster, they end up getting anxious and so on, that's why it's like what was given by the psychologist, Putri, for example. If you're sad, you want to listen to a sad, sad song. Well, that's actually related to our daily lives, or for example, this example is something that we humans are rarely aware of, so when we're sad, we tend to wear dark colored clothes. Right, black, navy, brown and others are true forms of art. Why does choosing colors without realizing it have an influence on us? Well, previously art, music is a physical example, but psychologically, for example, choosing clothes, we already know that we are sad when we wear clothes that it's pitch black like that, yes, dark chocolate will make us more inclined to feel down, the tone is down, why is it dark, that's why some individuals are like that, yes, I suggest that if you're feeling down, that doesn't mean you can't wear dark clothes or all your clothes are dark, but at least There are colors all around. If you wear a bracelet, wear a ring or a colored bag, it will uplift our own mood, you could say that, that's why actually we can't let go of art. If I said earlier, we can't let it go. From ourselves and our daily lives and don't imagine that art has to be drawing, art has to be painting, art has to be. Eh, for example, playing music, creating music or not, if we're not worried, our food usually tastes strange too, right? Heeh kasasinan or why is it bland or what is that? one of the arts is also related to humans or everyday life, like that, psychologists. OK, thank you, pikolega, that's really cool, yes, while there were several studies that turned out to be for me personally, I also just found out about the research that when a mother gives birth, she needs to hear the beat. which is slower and it also has the same correlation if friends are feeling upset. Yes, because it follows our heart rate, it really makes you more relaxed, calmer, calmer, it turns out that effect is okay, okay, that's why maybe meditation songs are also not possible. rock songs, yes, meditation songs can be slower, okay, that's actually the effect, it's said to be indirect, actually, because actually the music is all around us, so it's actually direct, okay? Heeh, okay, okay, and what's the name? It's also interesting, what the colleague said when we're in a good mood. It's not okay, usually the food isn't delicious. Because I'm also someone who loves to eat and have a special relationship with food, so I imagine and then realize that Oh yeah, why are people so interested in food? Usually when I'm tired, I'm tired or stress instead of eating, yes, that's what Pikol E said before without us realizing it. In fact, Tu food is also art because it has a pleasant, satisfying effect, like there is a feeling of delicious food on the tongue, yes, we sense it, it turns out that it can give E what, yes, the effect of positive emotions is also like Yes, that means how complex and interesting humans are when it comes to relating or relating to other things around us, it's really very dynamic. Eh, humans are dynamic like that too, okay, but maybe someone wants to ask, right? Pik said that in general, usually we often Listen, people think, Oh, I can't draw, that's why I'm actually not really into art, that's how it is, but actually, as far as possible, pikologga practices like that, or also studies related to art, maybe there are people who don't like it or aren't interested. whether or not there are people who are not interested in art at all, perhaps in the sense of certain art like that, for example, painting, music, for example, if I'm honest, I'm a lover of all music, yes, but I'm not really I like IDM music. Why is it because the beat is too C and in my opinion it's too confusing, so I'm forced to listen to it, so just listen to it, but if you can, why not listen to it in quotation marks like that? So actually, uh, sometimes there are obstacles, right ? maybe yes or also uh the boundaries that are put in place when there are these boundaries we can't force ourselves to like something that we don't like OK so uh actually from my personal point of view that's how it is either as a practice e practitioner an art therapist or also an art lover, you could say that, we can't force someone to like things they don't like. If they really don't like it, that's okay, there are other alternatives like that. Yes, but that doesn't mean that when they say I don't like it art, he doesn't wear clothes, he doesn't want to come to the museum or maybe he doesn't want to listen to music, maybe it's not like that, so Ee, we can't force it the same as E, if for example I practice by meeting clients, that's what the first thing the client will definitely say is I I can't draw, Sis, Ega, how did I get told to do arttherapy? I can't draw, as often as I'm reminded, the uglier the picture, the happier I am. Why is it finally free, Mom, because the fear is getting older, that's why as we get older, we tend to abandon things related to art because we're afraid of looking ugly. We end up limiting ourselves. It's up to us to let go of things that really should be let go. So sometimes it's okay. Just try it first, if it turns out it's not suitable, then there's no need to continue, that's okay, we can also use alternatives, for example, other therapies or similar ones. others like that So there are people who really don't like music, don't direct them to music, there are people who don't like drawing, so don't direct them to draw, it's actually like that, OK, so it's possible. Maybe there's a barrier. That means there's a language barrier like that, right? That's right, maybe not all forms of art are liked, but we can choose which ones, especially since Silega at the beginning said that art is unlimited, in fact everything is art, so maybe Ti's friends can start looking for what is actually being asked, the question might not be what kind of art do I like? But let's just go back to what I like because everything we do is art, so earlier, if you like food, then you can do art, make art through food, that's right, food bloggers or food YouTubers, nowadays they actually do art too, right? with food, so choose what you really enjoy like that, because it could be an obstacle or limitation to accessing art if it's not art that is suitable or what we feel comfortable with. Heeh he okay. Maybe there are other obstacles or not? As a colleague, to be able to access or optimize this art in our lives, the biggest obstacle that I have felt for myself personally or when meeting with clients that I accompany is not wanting to try, not wanting to try first because I'm too scared because Is it possible to say that we have experienced art, we have tried it since childhood, as psychologist Putri said, perhaps the first thing we hold in our hands is not a pen but a crayon, because we are used to it from kindergarten, yes, Kindergarten teachers, let's get it out. Rayon, take out the drawing book. Come on, let's draw. We're stuck. Oh, the picture has to look like this. The picture has to look beautiful. It looks pretty. It looks sweet. It looks fun. In fact, if Afi's friends all want to visit the museum, there are several examples of paintings, for example. There are several paintings like that. the abstract ones are really abstract which sometimes I think what does this mean? I don't understand that either. Or it's like just splashes, uh, color is art because each person's meaning of art is different, so the biggest obstacle is that sometimes we I don't want to try, we don't want to do it first and try it for ourselves, so sometimes I say, let's go back to childhood, where if we want to scribble on the walls, even if our mother scolds us, that's okay, that's okay, even though it's just a circle, circle, circle, circle, like a spiral, yes, but it's an art form, so don't limit yourself, don't be afraid, try it first, if you already feel it, then we can give a review like that, I don't think I'm suitable. If it's like this, sis, Ega OK. Let's look for another one, I don't think I'm enough. OK, this one. OK, we'll look for another one. We're going to Rome, right? Art is like that, there are lots of forms of art that we can try, not just painting, not just drawing, we're sticking together now, scrapbooking or Sticking stickers like that, right? We just collect stickers. Because we can't draw, we collect stickers and then we stick them on. It's actually a form of collage art and we also make bracelets from Ronce ngeronce, that's art because right? Oh, I want to include the biding one. First of all, I want to enter this bid, so just try it first, don't don't don't want to try it or be afraid to try it like that, psychologist Putri, okay, wow, this is an insight, which sometimes we also realize or don't realize, apart from that, maybe we don't really know it yet or not. It's also related to the choice of art that we like, but it's also related to whether we want to start or not, so if you give an example, it's related to E school when we're drawing or dancing and so on. Maybe that's often the case. Yes, I'm also probably at an adult age so I often associate it with drawing. or do you have to weave or what do you have to do, what do you do first, you weave things like that, because there is a real assessment of how good the choice of color is, whether the color is suitable or not, according to the teacher. Yes, that's right. So maybe in adulthood our associations become more serious about art because it seems like when we do art, it means that we are actually achieving to be assessed, so our psychological association becomes like Oh, I'm worried, oh, is that good, isn't it? Ouch, how come I feel like I'm not good enough here, like that? So what you said is holding me back from starting something. OK, maybe, for example, if you can start from that reflection, are there any tips or not, siolega or what? Maybe you can share it? Hey, what's the way to break, so we want to start like that, then continue to break through, Oh okay, it's okay, it's okay to let that freedom come from within. flowing to try and explore various arts he Okay. Maybe actually there are two sentences like that that I often say to myself and also to the people I accompany, ma'am, art doesn't have to be good, okay, because it's only us who judge whether it's good or not. yourself, so just do what we want to do, then the next step is that art has no limits. Actually, to be friends, art has no limits, why do I say there are no limits, no one says this art is right, this art is bad, this art is not right, because that's what art is called too art if I say this is art Yes, what else do I want to do with it, in unquote like or maybe there are friends who have been to museums and keep wondering how come a painting like this can be displayed, the price is so expensive, yes, because in fact it is art, if I may say from that angle. Look at whether it's art as therapy or whether it's really art. Art is the freest place for us to express whatever we want or whatever we feel. So, free yourself to do that. If I want to splash, I've splashed. just splash it if it doesn't have a shape. Yes, it doesn't have a shape. If you want it to have a shape. Yes, that's fine. There's a shape too, so there's nothing right. There's nothing wrong with art. There's nothing right. There's nothing wrong. There's nothing good. There's nothing good. there's something bad about art like that, okay, that's really cool, when Pikolega gave me that tline, that's what art is, there's no right, there's no wrong, there's nothing bad, it's good, that's how it reminds me, it's very closely related to the world of psychology, yes, if we like to say with counseling Uh, it's the same during counseling or during assessments with clients like that, yes, there's no such thing. Ben's wrong. This is all about you, so why does art seem to be so closely related psychologically and also to humans? Maybe it's as close as that, yes, the connection could be there too. That's right. Karen It's true that we as experts in the field of psychology also uphold individual differences and the same goes for art, it turns out that everyone has their own art and art is said to be art if the person who makes it says it's art, that's true, if you want to say it like that. for example, it's said that this is art. Yes, that's what makes them say that it's art. Yes, we have to enjoy it. Oh yes, it's indeed art, even though we also think that there's a box in my house, it looks like that. Yes, I'll just display it like that, that's right, that's right, but that's back to our initial definition in art that art talks about everything that is created, yes it is created, it is created, so even if the box is like that, the box in our house is the same at e Who's house, it must be different, so it also has a different production and creative process too. That's why it can still be said to be it's an art so this is really good and earlier psychologist Ega also reminded us that if I can conclude whether it's good or not, it's ourselves and let ourselves be free to do what we want to do. The colleague said that, so that reminds us also in terms of art that ee the process of listening to yourself is also important, so that's really related, often we are also in the counseling process, yes, in the process together with clients, eh, many of the clients end up processing Moses to get to know himself better and maybe we personally Friends like that, yes, maybe we are in the process like that, well, art could perhaps be a medium. If what we were trying to capture together, what I also tried to capture from art could be a medium for us to actually listen more to ourselves, what do you want to give me? choose the color you want to go out and choose which material to wear, so yes, you want to choose which clothes to mix and match, for example, you also want to choose which song or tune, everything will really depend on the impulse from within us and again, nothing is right and there's nothing really wrong, so eh, it turns out that art has a very strong message, very strong for psychology, uh, for our psychological side as humans and eh, I'm really happy to explain what it's called from various sides from various points of view, it's also good from before. Maybe we've already done this, okay? Starting with what art is, then also talking about how it is related to getting insight and new information from research related to art, plus it turns out that yes, of course there are obstacles and limitations when we do art in everyday life, but there is also a way for us to we can start involving art or process together with art to get to know ourselves and also to maintain our mental health, especially if the art is exactly in line with what we like, the effect will definitely be more optimal, the positive emotions will be more awakened too. And The hope is of course that we as humans can function more fully, more fully, be empowered and will continue to be able to work in various fields and our respective roles. Wow, this is really exciting in the first episode, the first episode in Yukita Ngopiungkin, it's really complete, what was conveyed by the psychologist Ega and we seem to have reached the end, before we close, maybe the colleague can give a message. One last message. Either one sentence or something, quot whatever it is, you can convey it to Afi's friends related to art in daily life, okay, for the actual message, one sentence maybe, don't be afraid to try, just try everything first, try it, if not, don't try, we don't know if it's suitable or not, you like it or not, you like it or not, just try it first, don't be afraid to look strange, don't be afraid to look ugly, if I want to draw a picture of a mountain, the color is red, okay? Just draw it in red, it doesn't matter, the mountain doesn't have to be brown or green, and it doesn't need to be at the back of the mountain, there's a sun in the middle, it doesn't need to be like that, we want to put the sun in the middle, on the edge at the end too. It's okay, so don't be afraid, don't be embarrassed to try things that we might feel like I can't just try it first, who knows, maybe it can be like that Wow, okay, that's a message from my colleagues to Afi's friends. Don't be afraid to try. Don't be afraid to just start. First of all, congratulations on starting the process like that for every friend of Afi. Who seems to have started after listening to the explanation from psychologist Ega, I want to try to explore, I want to start trying. Enjoy the process and thank you, psychologist Ega, for our conversation in the first episode. Let 's have coffee and talk about psychology with the theme. art in daily life I hope that Afi's friends will also get insight, that's how they get something so that they can also help and assist their friends to grow further and of course to help maintain the mental health of Afi's friends, all of which is okay then, thank you psychologist Ega, see you friends, in the next episode we have coffee, don't forget that every month we are on Wednesday of the second week at 12.00 noon. Greetings from us. Happy love and happy work, see you, see you all [Music]