Remote Design Sprints - Everything You NEED To Know!

comes good at this and we gun everybody Jonathan here from AJ and smart we don't even know if you can see us live right now but we're hoping you can I'm here in my bedroom in Berlin and I'm here at Tim ho fer hey Tim oh your voice is your mic sounds good how do I sound sound okay are you soon as great as always I mean yeah it's on you sound good thank you very so today we're going to be yesterday we launched the this massive 55 page guide called the ultimate guide to remote design sprints maybe Tim you can bring that up on screen for some context earlier in the week we launched it for the master class students but we decided rather than having it behind a paywall during this crazy coronavirus thing where everyone's trying to figure out how to actually you know run remote sprints we said we'll actually make it free for the public so yesterday we launched it free for the public and hopefully a couple of you in the comments or a couple of you reading watching this actually downloaded it it's free and it is some it's one of the biggest I think guides we've ever made its massive it's really really crazy and the whole team put a massive amount of effort into it so maybe Callum can kind of put the guide and me on the screen if he can figure out how to do that but yeah this was a massive project inside a Jane Smart for some context so if you didn't get the guide yet I think it's AJ smart comm forward slash remote sprints Callum can maybe correct me if I'm wrong they'll also be after the live stream a link in the description down below here oh yeah there you go you can now see the full screen version of the document so we have been running remote design sprints for years and the reason is just because most of our clients are not based in Berlin which is where AJ and smart is based most of our clients are actually based in the US and so we very early on had to start using tools like Miro which is actually Tim calls it my row I call it Miro and a lot of people a lot of people might remember it being called real-time boards about two years ago or something like that so that's what I called it real-time board until end of last year or something like that I think it's it's it's weird because it's I don't know for some reason I find real-time boards to roll a bit easier of the tongue than my row just because you don't know how to actually pronounce it I think that's true well I think it's Mir although I don't know hour duration extremes actually exactly so I know this is a YouTube video and YouTube videos are supposed to be snappy but this is also a live stream so Calum I don't know Calum why don't you just like turn on your voice and let us know what's happening in the comments it doesn't matter if it's like all clean and smooth who cares Calum just sent us a link I don't have a clue what that link is supposed to mean thank you thank you this is Calum who you can hear on the other line Calum is the guy who edits and creates all of our YouTube videos he does an amazing job on that so come let me say hi to the audience hey everyone hey that's my first live stream which is cool we totally know what we're doing and are people watching the live stream yeah whoa we're just trying to jump between broadcast crashing so whatever you're doing with your audio it's the worst thing ever oh I can hear you're using your macbook audio so every time you click it's a massive bang actually that's what really that's really painful okay so the goal of this video here is to run you through so Calum tell us you gotta have to give us some feedback you have people read the guide do people have the guide people are yeah in the comments people in the guide and LinkedIn in the description of the video and the pinned comment so if anyone wants to access in real time you can click in on that comment and it will take you through to the landing page and some questions great so yeah let's let's take some questions and we'll try to maybe there's maybe Tim if there's a question that the guide answers directly you can tell we can bring that up on screen and like scroll straight to it so let's take some questions and let's do it absolutely so one of the first questions has come up is does the rule of facilitate their change in a remove Sprint and if so how mm-hmm oh you know you know like essentially you're still doing very some of the things that you would also do in an in-person workshop you have bit more responsibility to ensure that sorry two seconds Callum can you please mute yourself although we can hear is these really loud bangs thank you and no worries so I mean it's still like the role doesn't change significantly I would say that you just have a bit more you just have to watch out more for technical issues as well because you're not in the same so when you're facilitating a workshop in person with everybody in the room it's quite easy to get like feel for the Moodle room for like the interpersonal dynamics between different participants you don't you don't have that ability when you're doing it remote I mean you usually so when we are running a remote sprint we would have people joined by webcam so we can at least see their faces but it's still you used to like it's still harder to pick up on on certain things so you have to be a bit more proactive when you're checking in but I would say the role doesn't change significantly I mean it's it's if you have if you're an experienced in-person facilitator I think it's quite easy to make the jump and you shouldn't you shouldn't worry too much about like all the the technical issues I mean in in my opinion the role can be as easy as doing it in person provided that you do a bit of preparation in advance all right thanks a lot Tim actually Callum I can see the questions now so it's okay if I I'll just I'll just choose the questions if that's fine so if you're watching this live stream please make sure you're putting the questions in the chat on the right hand side and I'm going through them Tim you can hear me all right yeah yeah I can hear you okay so Tim why do we as a Jane smart why do we now start with the map like why do we I guess the one of the first exercises well okay so this is from Genevieve and the question is why do we start with the map as the first exercise and and I should maybe just clarify that at a Jane smart when the client walks into the room on the Monday we've already completed a lot of the exercises for them but technically the map Tim you guys kind of play around with it a little bit right so it's not always starting with the map sometimes it's just what the hell might wheeze may be let's talk about like maybe let's rephrase that question is to what do we think is the optimal way to do the morning of the design sprint yeah I would say it it really it really depends on what you're running the Sprint on so in our case we're we're like I would say that 90% of the Sprint's that we run are in some some way related to a product or some kind of process so in that case it's actually it's actually possible to get an idea of the entire problem space by just mapping out the process first and usually this also helps people to think about the challenges INRI in regards to that problem space on the map a bit a bit easier than if you just dump them into hey write down all the challenges that come to your mind because like something might come up that has completely unrelated to the challenge which might be a good approach if you were for example an in-house facilitator working at a big corporation and you were maybe working on you know all these different innovation projects and essentially you don't have like specific brief on a project it could make sense to just feel for like what are actually the challenges that we need to solve and then you go to the map because you're kind of like narrowing it down from from another perspective like going going from the challenges to the map but in our case because we're an agency and we're working with clients who have a pretty good idea usually like in what area the challenge lies I mean when when like for example if I like a financial client company comes to us it's it's it's not that they come to us because they want to fix their hiring processes I mean they usually have a very specific part of you know like their their product or service that they want to improve or fix and this is why we are starting the map and look at that in the beginning and John you just mentioned that we we are usually already preparing all the the exercises for the clients I mean that is right but I should also clarify that we are not prescribing anything I mean the things that we prepare in advance of the workshop are just almost like covering covering the basics so we are really looking at the prop like at all the press print interviews we are doing with the participants we're looking at all the surveys we're doing our own research in the week prior before the sprint workshop and we're just collecting as many challenges as possible so that we don't start with like a like a blank canvas in the workshop because that's it scary for clients when they come into room everything is empty and now you tell them hey now we're going to start working and you will have to come up with everything and don't worry we'll guide you through the process I mean it's just nicer for them to see ah great I mean all these interviews we've already done I see my concerns already reflected on these how my tweeze and in the end you can also of course then add more in the workshop so that's completely fine great Tim can you I know you've already been asked to take the microphone a little bit away from your face can you also turn up your input a little bit so that when you're better okay so I'm going to focus more on remote sprint questions so for anyone joining right now yesterday we launched this free guide the ultimate guide to running design remote and sprints you can download it for free down in the description and we're sort of using that as a jumping-off point so I have a question from Jessica Ginelli hello Jessica and I hope I'm saying your name right because it's spelled in a way I've never seen before all right guys I want to know if you've ever worked with banks or companies who have a very blocked workspace for example VPN access how do we so basically how do we deal with clients who cannot necessarily use the tools we want to use Tim yeah I've had this a lot right can you hear me all right I can hear you too good okay great yeah I mean we had that yeah we had things like that happen definitely it's um when that happens it's always complicating things but in the end you find a way I mean in in our case we had we had several clients from the financial sector where for whatever reason we we just couldn't use specific tools it was just not possible to do it it interestingly it was always fine to use the digital whiteboards so that was never an issue and I think usually I mean that the good thing is because there are so many tools out there already it's quite easy to find a workaround if you if you're working with a client and you you realize that tool that you'll really love love to that you really like using is not an option anymore you can just use something else I mean it's definitely complicating things but it's not it's not a huge problem I would say this is why I think preparing well in advance is so important so that when when you realize that oh I cannot use my templates anymore you can just quickly find another solution for that yeah great ok so by the way a lot of people are asking onboarding questions and if you have to if you have the guide that we're now speaking about all you need to do is jump to page 12 and there's an entire section on onboarding clients for a remote design sprint so that's page twelve of the ultimate guide okay so a lot of people have the same question and Tim the question is when we're running a remote design sprint and by the way Callum we need to get one of these I have an extra one at home it stops all the popping noises so Tim but whatever we're we're we're just doing it so Tim when we're running a remote sprint when we're running an in-person sprint the workshop it's really easy to keep the energy up but when you're running a remote sprint a lot of people here are having the problem that they can't keep the energy up and they can't keep people focused on the tasks what are some things that we do to keep people focused and not just sort of you know looking at their phone or wandering off and having a snack do we have these do we come up against these problems and when we do what are some things that we can do to to sort them out you know sure yeah that's a that's of course a huge issue in any in any kind of workshop I think one of the the easiest things you can do is just to restructure the workshop to have more shorter sessions than you know like having an entire day of remote work shopping because it's really tiring sitting in front of a computer for eight hours I think it's like it's a lot to ask of the people who are joining of course you are as you're also I don't know I mean I don't even know if you can even make more progress if you just like force people to sit in front of the computer for eight hours a so now in our case we're just splitting the workshop days to short a session so the first session is on yeah on day one it's about four hours going from things like the map how might we stand we're ending with giving the participants homework so we're there yeah we're there researching lightning demos and then the second session is like the creation session and the third session is again four hours of making choices narrowing down the concepts and then creating the story but so it's all it's all doable within four hours and I would say four hours is almost like the maximum duration of a workshop so this is already thing for buffer if some exercise is going over time which will always happen in a workshop so that already really helps the other thing is having like really like this is again where we have where we have to talk about the onboarding and the preparation a little bit because you really have to make sure that everyone has the right environment to work and so this is something that we also like to tell our clients before the workshop starts to maybe book a conference room or something that it doesn't need to be big as long as they have proper internet access and they can just sit there in peace and quiet for three to four hours that's really great so that they can can focus we also tell them you know if you have your email client open close it down put your phone down like face like front facing down on the table whatever all these are all things that you can do and in the workshop we so we usually not run the workshops with just one person facilitating I mean we have another person in the workshop who is available to help and also to check if participants are really all paying attention so if you as the co facilitator you notice that that person is definitely not focusing on the workshop right now I can see them typing something you can't just quickly in in zoom or whatever tool you're using reach out to them person-to-person without embarrassing them in front of the group and just like ask them to come back and switch back to focusing on the workshop Tim could you jump to page 26 of the guide that just because it's a it's going to answer the question I was going to ask you so a couple of people are asking what should the home setup look like if you go to page 26 of the guide we've taken a picture of the setup that we recommend for all AJ and smart employees this is an external display with my row or miró whatever the hell it is called the zoom on the MacBook as sticky-notes noise canceling headphones notepad and a timer so that's basically the you know the view from an AJ and smart employee to their remote setup okay yes can I switch to a more setup because I think it's even better yeah so the hardcore one though yeah definitely the the power user setup but it makes such a big difference I mean you like like I so the the photo that you saw earlier that was actually my setup from last week and I adapted it a little bit since then and it looks a little bit closer to this now so my colleague Amer has a really good webcam so you can it's actually the same one I'm using at the moment so we're using these throughout AJ and smart the other thing is I think John you're using the same right yeah we're all using the same ones and just so you all know the list of these items is in this guide so if you're wondering what to buy you just need to download the guide and so the other thing is and that's really important is having this ring light here because you can have the nicest webcam in the world it's not going to help you if you're recording in the dungeon and as as John is doing at the mall so having some really nice light of you know like illuminating your face and then also having a proper microphone set up with what is that like a like a pop pop screen called yeah right here is it it's it's a better now by the way I'm holding it away from my mouth a bit yeah it's much better by the way people are still asking just in the chat how can they get the document if you just scroll down and I thought it was a pinned thing I guess column you're just gonna have to keep reposting every few minutes where people can get this document but it's in the description or go to AJ smarter come forward slash remote design sprints and so you can use this document while you're going through the video because we'll be mentioning pages all you got to do is click on the link down below and it's all free sorry okay Tim sorry um yeah I mean this looks like it's a really elaborate setup and I mean you definitely so I should I should also mention if you are running your first remote workshop next week don't don't stress out about not having any of that stuff it's fine I mean this is really just if you realize that you know what I'm probably going to run a lot of these things remote now and I have some budget to spend on these things I think it makes at some point it will make sense for this because I mean you are you you should consider yourself to be the host of the entire workshop and you are the facilitator so you you have the really important role guiding people and I think it's just nicer if you have you know like if you have a really nice clear and crisp webcam like and you know like video if you have a proper illumination if you have really good audio just so that people can properly hear you and it's it's it's fine if the participants don't have that but you should consider yourself to be the master of ceremony so I think it makes sense at some point to spend a little bit of money on this if you're planning to do this more often it's really great the hammer setup is amazing and what Tim said is right so if you're running the design sprint for your client at least you should have a good setup so that you look good on the screen and that everything is kind of in order just makes you seem more professional and especially you know the companies we're working for are usually large corporates and and maybe some of them are not really that excited to come in and do a remote sprint but you know at least if we can come across as very professional it makes everything just feel a bit better so okay I've got number one please like this video and please subscribe to our Channel and please tell people about a YouTube channel we're pumping out videos every single week here we're going to be doing a lot more live streams if you like them and it helps if you like this video it helps the YouTube rhythm you know that people find these types of videos and find the AJ and smart a council please do we're trying to get to a hundred thousand if people are always asking hey you know AJ and smart you're always giving away so much free stuff what can we do for you honestly the only thing we want is get to get to a hundred thousand subscribers on YouTube so if you can help us get there we will be forever grateful okay now I have a question um and and yes Calum is in the house Calum can you answer Rodrigo's question okay so I see 28 likes but there's 100 people watching but they're going up I'm happy about that so Tim do we ever have issues with people not being tech-savvy and having problems using a mirror board because a couple of people are here are saying okay we're trying this were their client but our client is not tech savvy I'm worried about them using Nero you know yeah definitely I mean the first time we we did a remote workshop actually we really underestimated that and it turned out to be a huge headache and III Krynn like I cringe when I think back about that because like it was just not a good experience for anyone I think in the end the workshop was a big success but it could have just been a way better experience if we had taken the time to properly onboard them and I think this is this was really big learning for us so since then that was years ago we we started really taking the preparation and onboarding seriously and I know that there like a lot of questions around the entire onboarding process but there are different aspects to the onboarding the like one part is one boring people to the process the other part is getting insights and information from them and the third and also really important part is onboard them to the tech and this is something that we try to combine in our one one-on-one calls with them where we essentially let them first of all access the my report in our case we're using my role or miró however you want to pronounce that and and we just asked them to do a couple of very easy to do exercises nothing to nothing to complicate it because essentially like whatever tool you use whether it's mural or or Miro or myra or whatever and a lot of these tools have very powerful features but the participants don't need most of them I mean it's completely fine for them to just understand okay this is how I navigate the canvas this is how I copy a virtual sticky note and this is how I write something in it and that that's pretty much everything they need and and that's really easy to learn and teach and this is something that we do always before the workshop really this is this is this is really important I mean it sounds so like like such a small thing to do but it makes a huge difference in in the beginning of the workshop when everybody already knows how to use the tool people are way less anxious and it's just oh it's also easier for you as a facilitator if you don't have to constantly check in like oh hey hey Charles I noticed that you somehow have trouble with like moving the sticky notes around I mean you just don't want that to happen in the in the workshop because yeah if youíve got like eight people joining you will just constantly doing like check like the impromptu tech support and you don't want that to happen I remember that in our first remote design sprints and that was extremely embarrassing in front of the client and it didn't happen again okay so I have a question actually it's not a question but I'm just going to tell so ear ham kay hello how are you doing is saying oh man how the hell am I going to do my user testing remotely well I've got good news for you get up get the document open on page 41 maybe you can scroll to that Tim but we won't go through it go to page 41 we've got like ten full pages on how to recruit the users the software to use every single thing you need to know about remote user testing because actually we don't do any in person user testing we only ever do remote testing because our clients are never in Berlin our clients are always in another country but even if they're in Berlin these days we only allow remote user testing it just gives us a much bigger group of people to choose from so page 41 is going to help you out there yeah I think of the hundreds of Sprint's we have done I can count the occasions when we actually had testers coming into the office on like one hand I mean one foot yeah it's this is the this is also something that I think a lot of people don't realize even when we are running a sprint workshop in person whether it's at a client's location or in our office we are always doing the testing remote and there are some really good reasons for doing it that way first of all your pool of testers is just way bigger you can basically test anywhere in the world and it's you you can't like you can pretty much recruit any demographic or target group there is so it's it's really something that you should be doing whether you are running sprints remotely or if you think that once once I have the opportunity again I will just like go back to in-person sprints all the time I would really suggest that you look into doing test remotely because it's also it's also saving a lot of work like all the documentation you would have to do there's so many tools out there that can record you interviews it's really it's really fun doing it that way as well thanks Tim okay so a lot of people are asking about the tools we use and instead of taking up time page 21 of the remote sprint guide gives you an overview of some of the key tools we're using there's loads and loads of tools in this document but these are some of the key tools we're using we're using loom to record the screen so that's for actually having screen recording to send to the client later we're using zoom because it's very reliable videoconferencing we're using Basecamp as sort of the center of all communication between us and our client we're using something called a Miranda time zone app to quickly find time slots that work for everyone when scheduling across time zones and we use Google Forms and there's a survey template inside the remote guide as well so everything related to tools is in the remote guide what's also in the remote guide is our Miro template that we use with our clients and actually yesterday Tim this might be news to you yesterday we may have figured out a way to share the actual template so that people can implicate it for themselves so if you just keep following AJ and Smart's channels will eventually drop our proper copy and paste able Miro template but for now if you go to page 20 Oh what page is this 28 in the document you can get a direct link to our Miro board that you can use with your clients which is going to be super super helpful ok so let me have a look here for the people just joining lots of people just joined please make sure you like and subscribe this is uh this is a bit of a labor of love at the AJ and smart making making live streams and making videos we love it but we really want to get to 100k subscribers so that we can get that nice thing from YouTube this will be great okay so let me have a look here that Oh huh what's that some questions okay there's a lot of questions by the way I'm flying back through so if I missed your question it's likely that I'll come back to it I'm going back up and down the the question is to find something that I want to to ask alright Tim do we have I actually don't know the answer to this question but are we sharing or miró template for pre work the sprint zero is there something about that in the document and yeah so it's it's all the same template okay pretty much so maybe I can just quickly explain for the people who are who have already accessed the Miro template and so the way we are using this actually internally before we start working with the client is that we are already collecting all the material for each exercise on the board itself so when the client shows up joins the mirror board on the first workshop day it's never empty like they never see the empty state of it they always go to a specific exercise and they can already see that we prefilled some of these things and we are always doing that in the same the same template that we eventually work with what would you say and this is a question maybe we can both answer but what would you say for consultants oh sorry how what would you advise organizations or consultants that believe that virtual collaboration is not real collaboration and then I'm going to add on top of that question and because you're also sometimes part of the sales process do we have how do we get over the issue of selling clients remote sprints versus in-person sprints and I think that's the same thing like how do we get around clients who don't want to do things remotely yeah yeah sure I mean so I'll answer the first question first so I think yeah the collaboration thing I think I think a lot of companies have a very unclear understanding of like what a remote workshop actually it's like and I think a lot of them have experience with like these horrible group calls and teleconferences where you know like people are sitting in a room around like one of these like what do they call like these speaker phones and then you know like it's it's just frustrating for everyone so this is so I think what's really important is that this is not like a remote workshop it's not a remote meeting so it is it is a very different thing to do and I think that's good that's a good sound bite yeah and and yeah and I think an antenna that applies to like in-person workshops as well right like they like it some people actually don't know the difference between a meeting and a workshop because it's it's also big some sometimes you call something a workshop that is actually not a workshop I mean in in my understanding a workshop always means collaboration and I think you can so in in in a specific case when you are trying to convince someone to to do remote workshop what you could do is maybe just show them also how you intend to use the tools or show them a little demo of how the tools work because once you you get people to work in a specific tool like mural or a mural or whatever it is they will quickly forget that they're actually doing this on like in front of the computer that they're not sitting in the same room with everyone because everything is happening in real time it's not a synchronous where you're just you know sending e-mails back and forth or something something like that it's all happening in real time people are not in the same room but it's still working together in the same document in the same moment and I think maybe ah just just showing them what they can expect can really help there the second question I think was the was that the pricing strategy so how do we it's a bit of both so it's it's like noticing part your card part a is how do we convince them that we can still do such an important and expensive object remotely yeah right I mean there are a couple of really really big advantages of doing it remotely I mean the thing is a lot of especially corporates have distributed teams it's also I mean let's also face it like flying is - to some some some location just to join like one day or two day workshop I mean it's it it's not very sustainable like it's it's neither is it sustainable nor is it like a good investment of time I would say I mean I personally really like doing in-person workshops it's just that especially when you know you maybe have already worked with a couple of these people before it's it's actually really easy to do it remotely and I mean the thing is also it do we really want to spend so much time and you know even sources on just getting people in one room when you can have the same result even by just cutting that cost entirely and and also making the planning a lot easier I mean it's very did like this is actually one of the key key advantages I would say I mean with a remote workshop you are a lot more flexible in how you get people to join when you are working with you know like a team of ten people they're all distributed all across the globe and you know we we've had it happen that the key person just couldn't they couldn't come they couldn't just they couldn't join the workshop they had some they would have been able to maybe do like a half-day thing in in their city but they had really important appointment that day and we had to plan around for that person for nine other people and when you're doing a remote workshop it's quite easy to just say you know what don't don't worry you will be done in the afternoon we can do the entire thing remotely so it's quite yeah it's it's quite a easy approach doing a workshop like that that way and to answer people's questions we charge the exact same amount of money for our kind of hybrid in-person remote workshops versus our completely remote workshops we don't change the price because the end result is the same right the end result is you get a product validated by a skilled team so we are definitely not dropping our prices just to do just just to do remote work so someone says they sent an email but didn't get a download link Jeannette James Jeanette I don't know why that happened maybe you check your junk mail if not Calum will look into it sorry about that so yeah if there's if you're just joining basically yesterday we launched this massive massive remote sprint guide Tim could you scroll to just the the front page just so that's on the screen this is a fifty five page document which tells you every single secret about how we run remote design sprints with the biggest companies in the world every single thing to run the user testing what tools were using everything it's for free all you got to do is scroll down and wait a second in the description down below it's the first link and just it's for free usually it is it came out for the master class students a bit earlier but we decided to make it free also one more thing if you haven't liked this video yet please please click the like button I 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yeah so we do the storyboard in pretty much the same way we do it in person I don't know how familiar people watching are with the Adrian smart approach to the design sprint so we we introduced a couple of pre exercises that are intended to help with this storyboard because I mean we made the experience that the design speed is such a powerful and nice and smooth process but then at the storyboard stage everything kind of like falls apart because people suddenly start discussing everything and if it's very unstructured and frustrating and we we just wanted to intrude use a bit more structure to it so what we did was introduced something that we call the user test flow and it's essentially a very rough user journey that we're kind of like work shopping with the team with post-it notes so this is kind of like becoming the base and the foundation of the storyboard we end up putting these post-its of the highest voted story on the storyboard and then we kind of like a construct the storyboard around it and I mean there are a couple of like in between steps so essentially we're going from something that is extremely rough and a high level and like slowly add a bit more detail with every step and then we are doing another exercise that is called bread boarding where we are essentially just going through each of the screens and just write down a bullet like bullet point bullet points of like what needs to happen and there without doing any drawing yet because if you have been the artist in a storyboard session you know how often you just have to wipe something off and start all over again because you know somebody had a great idea and now you have to somehow change everything we just want to avoid that as much as possible the other thing is as well you have so much material from the concepts that were created that you can just take you can crop them down to specific parts of the drawing you can place on the storyboard so yeah you can kind of like oh it's almost like creating a Lego like something out of Lego bricks and it the storyboard doesn't need to be beautiful it just needs to be very specific on things like content interface elements and things like that so and that that is quite easy to do even when you do it digitally I mean this is definitely an approach that will save you a lot of time and makes the storyboarding a lot easier and it works the same way whether you do it in person on an actual whiteboard or remotely on mero thanks a lot Tim alright everybody we are we've already been streaming for 45 minutes so I think we're going to end it here we have live streams coming up every single week all you got to do is subscribe to our YouTube channel make sure you're following us over on LinkedIn make sure you're following us over on Instagram these are the places where we announce these live streams I just saw what Cowan posted there smash if you love working from your bedroom wait that came out wrong so we really appreciate all of your time I hope you love our 55 page remote design sprint document the only thing we ask for in return is tell a friend about our YouTube channel or tell a friend about one of our pieces of content the more people who hear about what we're doing the better it is for our egos are very very fickle egos so fragile so fragile so we have a ton of remote content coming up how to run different types of workshops remotely if you've just landed on our channel go back a few videos you can see how we use our Miro board you can see the full set up a lot of your questions here have been answered by those older videos so I guess all I can say is oh one more thing next Wednesday if you didn't already know I am launching my first book it's called a workshop er playbook I'm actually gonna run out and get it give me one second give me one second I wonder where he has it maybe we'll see the the boxes stacked in his apartment with with all the books he has been talking about this non-stop it at the office so next Wednesday the workshop er playbook launches it is a book on how to design your own custom workshops if you want a free copy of this book but you have to pay for the shipping all you got to do is add yourself to our news right now AJ smart comm Ford / newsletter if it's before April 8th add yourself to our newsletter and we'll send you a message telling you how to get a free physical copy if this is after April 8th and you're watching this well there'll be a link in the description thanks so much everybody I'm really also super excited about you guys getting this book thank you so much and have a great day have a great night stay safe stay indoors I love you all thank you for supporting us Tim say bye bye everyone bye everybody please come and the life