New Official Pandemic Report Recommends Against Use of COVID Vaccines: Dr. Gary Davidson

doctors felt pressure to do things they didn't agree with we need to have good autonomy where a physician is doing things safely but they're allowed to treat their patients in what they believe is the best for them it still has to be regulated can't just have everybody off on their own but it has to be done in January the Canadian province of Alberta released an extensive 269 page report the first of its kind assessing the province's response to the co9 pandemic I was asked to for a task force there's people on the task force that are more aligned with how I saw it or how I think and then there was people we invited to join who are not aligned with how I think or see it in this episode I sit down with Dr Gary Davidson who led the task force that made the report to discuss its findings and recommendations there's just so much data out there the Nordic countries did a huge study millions of people showing that if you're under 50 years old you probably shouldn't get this vaccine and so that's what we recommend doing in in Alberta this is American thought leaders and I'm Yan [Music] Kellick Dr Gary Davidson such a pleasure to have you on American thought leaders thank you for having me it's a privilege you were the head of a task force that looked at the province of Alberta and Canada's pandemic response and one of your findings was that the response if I may say wasn't grouted in science what would you say are the most significant findings the most important things for people to now well I think the important points that come out of it that people are picking up on the most are the talk about Therapeutics so how it was treated or how it wasn't allowed to be treated the vaccines how they were done or what they were supposed to do or what they did how they're developed and maybe any um side effects to them and then probably the third largest thing people talk about is the effect of the lockdowns and we call them npis non-pharmaceutical interventions masking lockdowns Clos that kind of thing so those are the three big areas that people seem to want to talk about the most well so then let's start with that let's start with lockdowns or npis you know you were actually a signatory of the great barington declaration so clearly you have you had some thoughts about lockdowns ahead of being commissioned to do this report tell me about what you found well of all of of the three I've mentioned lockdowns are the ones that I probably from a scientific or medical standpoint knew the least about and so I had to do a lot of reading and early on probably the first thing before we talked about lockdown well I think I believe it was March 17th 2020 Alberta was kind of lockedown we closed the borders and had a instituted some kind of lockdown masking actually didn't it it was starting to be talked about but we'd been told the whole time that mass didn't actually help like a simple mask or especially a cloth mask or something like a turtleneck the they there was they didn't help from that you can look in the training manual from Alberta Health Services 2018 and and you can look in there and it talks about how to protect yourself from respiratory illness and it it shows four masks two simple masks or a surgical mask and two n95s and it just if you turn the page in the manual next page just says don't waste your time using a simple mask or a surgical mask they don't protect you so that was what we knew and then as we watched it as we started from a municipal standpoint bringing in mask mandates or mask bylaws and the cities and then the counties and then the whole Province and the argument that went around uh there were some people that worked in the area occupational health and safety that says these mous don't work don't don't you're wasting your time and n95s only work for a very short period of time they have to be fitted to you and they have to be used in the environment they're meant to you take an n95 fit it to me and if I talk to you while I'm doing it it'll probably break the seal every time I say something so they can only be used in certain places and certain ways and under the proper guidance and you have to put them on right and take them off right you can hang them on your rearview mirror and use them again tomorrow in our report we looked at that and we actually asked worldwide experts on this that have written papers on masking whether they work in this environment or not on lockdowns whether they actually help or not we looked at triangulation so we' compare how did our outcome compare to Sweden where they had none of these things they didn't close any schools they didn't mandate anybody to do anything because legally they couldn't I understood I've talked to the chief medical officer of Health who was for Sweden at the time Andrew Tel a great guy and um if you look at it their outcomes are better than ours and they have social medicine so you can compare apples to apples you know it's hard to compare Alberta to somewhere in the state sometimes because the medical system is very different but you can compare us to a Nordic country I think fairly clearly and showing that they didn't really have much impact and um you could look County to county in the states there's lots of states that let the different counties or different regions do whatever they felt was best and if you look County to County many of these states showed there's really no difference whatever the county did and then they would start talking about um the best thing was to have good filtration good air movement you know putting things up on kids deaths actually stopped the air movement caused air to swirl didn't clear out properly and actually caused worse outcomes in some studies so what came of it is it didn't really seem to matter what people did as far as Lockdown and masking it didn't have much impact before the uh decisions were made in Alberta there was two large studies um that were both peer- reviewed in medical journals that just showed that it didn't really have any different in fact if you wore a a a fleece mask like a turtleneck or a or a neck warmer like we have in Canada when you're skiing it actually made it worse because then it took droplets and broke them smaller aerosolized them and they hung in the air longer making it more dangerous so actually but but I personally was skiing during this time and if you just pulled up your neck tube and you went the ski lift you could get on if you didn't have it on they'd throw you off and take your ticket away it was completely anti-science but this is what was pushed and so this is what our study talks about is like didn't really appear that these things made much difference having said that there are times when Mass absolutely important respirators which are in 100s which we use them for very serious things um we use them n95s we use them in the hospital and that's where they're meant to be used in a controlled medical environment and they they have their place to say that masks don't work is not true but how Mass work for some things at different times right yeah they have to be used how they were studied to be used for more importantly and and they just were kind of willy-nilly it seemed and that's not how you do things like that that's not scientific but so essentially your finding was that this broad use of masks and this broad use of lockdowns was used but it didn't have the desired impact in somehow affecting the transmission or the virus or the infection rates and and so forth but it did have some other kinds of effects obviously right you know we um heard from lots of people with respiratory illness that couldn't wear mask they just couldn't breathe well um I know that from people firsthand um people who had been traumatized in the past felt very afraid or felt overwhelmed wearing a mask you know as was talking to a speech therapist in Alberta and the increase in speech therapy consults when the masks rolled out were substantial to say the least because children learn from watching you listening to you and learning how to speak they mimic us and they lost that and the impact that had it's interesting whether related or not but um the CDC moved the milestones for children back after all of this because our kids were back didn't weren't meeting mileston we they just shifted them back that's interesting is that because of what we did or why what what other confounding Factor could it be but there's also this element of shutting down the economy I thought I should mention if you're running a small business and you could leave open Walmart and Costco and Home Depot but shut down the smaller entities it it was horrible so you and I've mentioned this before you can go in Alberta government's dashboard and look at accidental deaths and suicides and on on there and watch every time we lock down and look what those numbers do it's a massive impact you can't um ruin somebody's life and it not impact it's interesting there's it's very easy to find there's a study that shows that related in the United States for every percentage number increase in unemployment the suicide rate goes up substantially so that's an unintended consequence of the lockdowns that I don't think we considered to be honest with you I find it quite interesting um one that this study was commissioned at all because I'm not aware of many governments having done anything like this I mean perhaps I'm I'm I'm literally I looked I'm not aware but in the second part that you were chosen to head this uh task force so tell me a little bit about that yeah um yeah I I find that amazing myself to be really honest with you I'm just an emergency room physician from a small City and small Province and small part of the world and um I um at the time our current Premier was in the media and um we met at a political function where she was doing media and my wife was uh Towing me into every political event she could cuz we knew we had to be involved because of the where our Province was going and so we actually connected and conversed a lot we had meetings with decision makers that she would was part of and then um when she became our Premier she asked me to do this and I believe she knew that then I would do what was honest regardless of what it showed because not everybody wants to know and I'm sure she knew the report wouldn't come out saying we did just a smashing job and um that's a lot of Courage for a politician I I I admire way more courage than I had Dr Davidson one moment we're going to take a break and we'll be right back and we're back with Dr Gary Davidson task force chair of the Alberta covid data review let's talk about Therapeutics so what did the report find about the use of them yeah that one's and just to be clear Therapeutics are things that you would use just to treat the disease right sure so there's two parts of Therapeutics there's things that we were allowed to use the things that we were told we could use things that were used by the medical establishment and things we couldn't use so we looked at them not all of them of course there's lots of things but we looked at the ones everybody knew about so the the medications we weren't allowed to use were things like ircon hydroxy chloroquin fluvoxamine um vitamin D was even discouraged which I don't even understand that and we looked at the recommendations against them and if if you anybody can look up the recommendations against iveron for instance and there's I think 10 studies I used to recommend against it and none of them actually said you couldn't use it they just said more study needs to be done so they said well we think because it's dangerous and I don't even know what that's based on because it's by far the most safe drug I've ever prescribed um they recommended against it I I was taken back by that because if you read the studies I use doesn't actually say that but the recommendation does and and that that confuses me in a time when we had people dying and needing something why wouldn't we try it's so safe you know I could give you a 30-day prescription for Icon and you could accidentally take it all today and it probably wouldn't hurt you you might get a tummy ache and some GI symptoms but tomorrow you'd be never know you did it not a good I don't recommend you doing that but that's how safe it is if you did 30 days wor of Tylenol or Advil or badril or anything you could find at 7-Eleven or in the corner store it wouldn't work out well for you I can promise you that there I don't know of another medication on over the counter or prescription I could do that with I can give it to just about anybody interacts with almost no medications and has almost no side effects that crazy dose overdoses so there was a false story that came out uh somebody was interviewed in the states that went into rolling ston saying that the emergency department in some state was overrun by overan iberin overdoses completely fabricated story completely retracted it wasn't true there's a famous short clip of a video of a two physicians in the UK talking about an icton study and um it's on YouTube right now and um I watched that and they talked about this study and how it seemed to be the results were co-opted by whoever is paying for by the study that one's quoted often that study even though it's probably not true so I knew all of these things and so I why we stopped icon and why we keep telling to Da even that it's a dangerous drug I don't even understand where that comes from well it's it it's also odd because you know me having worked in many other parts of the world including in Africa it's just a very common thing that a lot of people take available in unlimited quantity across the counter because it saves a lot of lives I mean that that's how I knew it before all this happened yeah yeah you know I mean if you recall recently the FDA actually had to recant all of their um Social Media stuff about you're not a horse if you remember that one they actually had to take it all down they they Lo they didn't lose the lawsuit but they agreed to take it all down over a lawsuit why did they ever do that in the first place I I I don't have any idea you know so those are the drugs that we couldn't use then there's drugs that we were supposed to use like REM dese which has a long history that what first came out as an AIDS drug many years ago that had a horrible safety profile you know in that's one of those studies it showed 53% of the people given ended up with kidney failure but then it was rolled out as a treatment for this that I don't understand and so when it was recommended to use it we just used a drug company's material to say here just use it safe it's like their sales brochure using it as science well that's a strange way of doing that IIT D they recommend it against I have no idea why vitamin D you know people probably everybody in Canada should be honored just because we're so North those just some examples but what's the bottom line finding that the bottom line finding is that we sto the use of medications that are safe very safe we recommended medications that are probably not safe and I don't know why and the science we used for it didn't seem to even show that you know hydroxy chloroquin the do the dose recommended for for Co was exactly the same dose that thousands of people in Alberta get every day for the rheumatory arthritis but it was also incredibly dangerous I don't even understand how you can even say that but there was this fraudulent study done where they give toxic doses of hydroxy chloric it showed it deadly which of course I would expect there was a false study done that was put in Lance it was completely fabricated that was used to shut it down in Alberta it was retracted 2 weeks later but it was used and it's still circulated like people forgot that it was retracted and then what about these the the covid vaccine usage this was another this was the third thing you mentioned as being a very significant finding well I believe down here in the United States they just had a um Committee just published a 570 page report on the vaccines and um fairly critical of them and what we found was um fizer's own research data so if you look in their D it's publicly available 44,000 people enrolled 22,000 people were vaccinated 22,000 people weren't they didn't vaccinate anybody who was pregnant anybody over 65 or anybody who is sick that's nobody that's going to have problems with Co that doesn't make any sense those aren't our target audience but that's that's who they did in that if you look at it more people died of all causes in the vaccinated arm than the unvaccinated arm which should shut it down that all cause mortality is huge in vaccines because sometimes we're not thinking that might be a side effect cardiac or what have you but turns out it is that's why you have to do all CA mortality in a vaccine study and then 272 270 young women got vaccinated who weren't pregnant became pregnant during the surveillance period and of the 270 it appears like 238 from their own data 238 charts were lost so 88 over 80% of them 88% of the other charts were't lost why' they lose these charts what why would you do that that seems very strange but then even out of the 32 that they didn't lose from what we can see from fizer's own data there's only one normal birth I don't know how you'd say that was safe I don't know about effective but you couldn't say safe from th either of those things from their own data so I have that paper before we put a shot in anybody's arm in Alberta and um I got a little bit of trouble for creating vaccine hesitancy I'm thinking well let's just take a sober second look at this if it's any good and then now we can look at fizer's surveillance data that had to be released you know they had 44 th000 problems shortly most things happened 4 days after the shot there was 1123 deaths in their their own surveillance data they withdrew a roto virus vaccine not too many years ago over four deaths uh the vsafe data from CDC 10,000 people who got the shot were voluntarily asked to record all their symptoms and side effects after the shots 7.7% of the people that got vaccinated in this cdc's own data needed medical attention some of them severe but more importantly the vaccines were never studied to stop transmission and I think we all know now they didn't everybody who got vaccinated probably got CO as far as I know so they didn't stop transmission so my question is why did I give it to a child who in fizer's own data incredible number of kids that got myocarditis and then the vve data and there's a Thailand study doing cardiac MRIs even on children that have no symptoms showing a massive number of them actually myocard didn't know it um there was some real problems with that vaccine and so if if it didn't stop transmission and it had any risk of poor outcome for a child and it didn't and it and you know the chance of them dying from covid was so low why did we do that and why are we still doing that I don't understand that so that's what we found and that's just looking at their own data and that's looking at our data Albert surveillance data and um you know there's a Cleveland Clinic study which I know people have talked a lot about but massive study and they show that the more vaccines you had the more likely you were to have a poor outcome uh there's just so much data out there the Nordic countries did a huge study millions of people showing that if you're under 50 years old and for and if you don't have any really good reason you probably shouldn't get this vaccine in fact you need to go to your doctor and talk about the risks and benefits to see if you actually need it or not and so that's what we recommend doing in in Alberta is the Nordic countries are very similar to us geographically in every way so I think that would be fairly reasonable to use their study or do it ourselves explain to me how this team worked you know to reach these conclusions that you did so I was asked to form a task force there's people on the task force that are more aligned with how I saw it or how I think and then there was people we invited to join who are not aligned with how I think or see it but um the premier thought it would be very important to have a a balance task force so that we're not criticized by being over here or over there um most of the people who invited didn't want to be part of it so we ended up with a little bit smaller group than we wished than I and I I be honest with you it was a huge job and I thought I don't know how we'll do this so very fortunately we were able to reach out to world renowned people in their field and say can you help us with this so they shared us shared with us massive amount of studies massive amount of research and data uh in NPI area in in different areas so we were able to Resource world-renowned people in those areas and you can look at our references hundreds of references we quoted um many people are in there that we're very grateful to and uh so our little team was able to tap into you know broad group and and we sat down with people that agreed with us in this area and didn't agree in that area that's that's how it should be and and there's a disclaimer even the people that we list in our contrib and contributor list it says right there just because they're a contributor agree to have their name doesn't mean they agree with the whole study that's so important I'm not going to say whether I agree with the whole study or not I'm the final author but there's times when I defer to somebody that knew much more than I do as long as they had the references that could show me the studies and we could quote them we could use it like I didn't want anybody's opinion and that was the only criteria so we yeah that's that's how we kind of expanded our team I really enjoyed this conversation now any final thoughts as we finish no I really appreciate taking the time it's it's uh been a lot of work right in this report um I really enjoyed it and I hope that it makes a difference I really do and I hope it opens public scientific discourse above all well Dr Gary Davidson it's such a pleasure to have had you on thank you I appreciate your time thank you all for joining Dr Gary Davidson and me on this episode of American thought leaders I'm your host Yan Kell [Music]