In an interview with NTD at the 2025 NYC Real Estate Expo, Pierre E. Debbas, co-founder of Romer Debbas LLP, a 30-attorney real estate law firm in New York, discussed the current market's positive momentum after three years of low activity.
He highlighted the impact of recent interest rate cuts and the pent-up demand, noting a resurgence in entry-level buyers. Debbas emphasized the co-op market's uptick due to its relatively lower prices compared to condominiums. Debbas remains optimistic about New York's future, despite reduced investment from Chinese buyers due to capital restrictions and trade tensions. -- 🧶More NTD Programs: https://www.ntd.com/programs?utm_source=YouTube&utm_medium=SocialM
I think the market's having a lot of
momentum, positive momentum. Um, it's
been three years of historic lows in
terms of activity. Um, a lot of issues
with interest rates, um, geopolitical
concerns, and I think that you're seeing
a lot of pent-up demand coming out in
the in the marketplace. Um, we talked
about interest rates. We had our first
rate cut a couple weeks back. It's
giving consumers a level of confidence
that rate cuts are no longer going to be
a a fiction that they're actually going
to be taking place. And the Fed's
already penciled in two more this year,
another one early next year. So I think
that sophisticated investors and buyers
are entering the market now before this
pandemonium because when you really look
at the detraction in volume that's
taking place you and you think about
other factors that would lead to buying
power such as all-time high in the
equity markets alternative assets like
crypto hitting record levels. There's a
lot of buying power and liquidity out
there. People are realizing it's going
to be pandemonium again. Let me get my
foot in the market now. Let me dip my
toes in the water. Start transacting
before it's going to be too late.
Incredible. You said uh there's momentum
in the market. Is this across the board
or in specific sectors?
>> Um I think it's now across the board.
You know, the last few years activity
has been concentrated in the high-end
market. And luckily in the last 3
months, we're seeing entry- level buyers
enter the marketplace. So, as a transa
transactional attorney, you know,
clearly, you know, we represent every
segment of the market, but a healthy
market is when everybody's transacting,
not just the ultra affluent. And you're
starting to see that now. You know, like
I remember one day, it was two weeks
ago, I got four transactions in my
office and on a Friday, all below a
million dollars and I was ecstatic and
people like, why are you so happy?
Because feewise clearly our, you know,
revenues higher in the larger deals. I
always this is good for the market. It's
a good sign when people feel confident
in job security, in their incomes, in
the carrying cost, valuations, debt
service costs, and interest rates.
That's a healthy sign for the market.
>> You said uh get ahead of the market.
Where are the big opportunities at the
moment?
>> So, you know, it's funny. We were I was
just on a previous panel talking about
the resurgence of the co-op market.
We're seeing a big uptick in co-op
transactions in New York City. And
that's because values in co-ops have
been suppressed for the greater portion
of a decade. And they are relatively
speaking in comparison to condominiums
and new development s substantially
cheaper. And people see value there. And
people think that the co-op system will
let be less antiquated in the future,
less ownorous, less restrictive, and you
know what, let me take an opportunity
now, get into the co-op market, and
that's the best value I'm finding in the
marketplace.
>> Uh, how does the real estate community
feel about the upcoming mayoral
election?
>> Not not good. Um, point blank. It's um I
think that the community is really upset
that this is something that has, you
know, a possibility of taking place, but
in reality, people always want to be in
New York. people always transact in New
York and we move on and I think that you
know it's the initial fear is greater
than the negatives of the outcome we'll
have on the marketplace but no it's not
it's definitely something that real
estate's not not pleased about
>> is there a specific policy that they're
they're most concerned about
>> rent freezes you know rent freezes they
sound great in theory but they're a
tremendous disincentivizer for capital
to come into New York and to create
housing stock and to improve the current
housing stock so how do you create
inventory
when it's cost prohibitive to enter the
marketplace. Right? So, I think that's
that's a that's a one that the market
that the real estate community is
concerned with and rightfully so because
when you look at the rent regulations
that changed in 2019 by the Delasio
administration, they created a huge
economic disincentivizer for landlords
to improve properties and right now you
have about 100,000 shadow units, 100,000
shadow inventory rent stabilized units
in the marketplace. Imagine like that's
a that those units entered the market.
Imagine what that would do for local New
York City residents. So that's really
the biggest problem because they talk
about affordability. Affordability isn't
addressed by overregulating an industry.
Affordability is addressed by
incentivizing development, creating more
supply, thus reducing competition.
>> Uh finally, are you optimistic for the
New York market and New York itself over
the next 10 to 20 years?
>> I always bet on New York. I say I'm not
a betting man, but you never bet against
New York. So, I'm I'm extraordinarily
optimistic in New York, most resilient
city in the world and greatest city in
the world.
>> Pierre, thank you.
>> Thanks so much. Great to meet you.