Every recession, crash, and major change in the real estate market has its warning signs. And while most people think these can only be seen in hindsight, we have “stress tests” today that signal corrections, crashes, or rising prices to come. These tests not only test the housing market, but also the economy as a whole, to tell us whether we’re going to spiral down for years or stay afloat.
Today, we’re looking at one of the greatest “stress tests” of the housing market —credit.
The “canary in the coalmine” of real estate is forced selling. Once this begins, the domino effect can easily get out of control. When sellers can’t pay their bills, and are forced to sell, a race to the bottom is almost inevitable—and there’s one part of the real estate market where this exact scenario is ramping up —fast.
In today’s show, we’re detailing the assets and regions most at risk, comparing 2026’s economy to 2008/2009 to see where we stand, going over foreclosure and delinquency numbers, and touching on the newest (concerning) consumer debt numbers quickly starting to rise—will the spillover put the housing market in danger?
Dave Meyer analyzes the U.S. economy and housing market, concluding that while certain sectors face stress, the residential market is normalizing rather than crashing. He contrasts the stability of residential mortgages with a severe crisis in commercial real estate and rising consumer debt, suggesting that strategic investors can find opportunities in distressed assets.
Every crash, every downturn, every recession has its warning signs. Sometimes you only see them
after the fact. But there are many indicators we can actually watch right now to see if something
sinister is lurking in the housing market or the greater economy. And luckily we have good data.
We can actually look and see right now if a big decline or even a 2008 style housing market
collapse is right around the corner. The data that I'm talking about measures levels of stress
in the market by looking at credit and debt and how well people are paying back that debt.
We can look at indicators like mortgage delinquencies, credit card delinquencies,
private credit, actual foreclosures, and get critical insight into how our economy and how
our housing market may perform in the coming months or years. The information I'm talking
about is not fear mongering. It's not going to paint some overly rosy description of the market.
And today on the market, we're going to do it. We're going to stress test the housing market
and the rest of the economy and see how resilient the U S economy really is.
Hey everyone. Welcome to on the market. I'm Dave Meyer, chief investment officer at bigger
pockets. I'm an economic and housing analyst, and I've been a real estate investor for 16
years. Welcome to the show. I am glad to have you all here for an important episode
because we're going to be talking about stress or the lack of stress in the economy right now,
because a lot of times recessions crashes, these kinds of things, they feel like they come
from nowhere. And part of that is true. No one really knows exactly when or how the market
cycles will be timed, but there are indicators that we can look at that will tell us how risky
things are and where we are in the broader economic cycle. And for that, one of the
indicators I personally keep a very close eye on and like to look at is credit stress. It's
just a fancy term for basically our people paying back their debt. Are they paying back their loans
on time? And as agreed, because for better or worse, our economy is largely dependent on debt
and debt goes through cycles in good times. People borrow more and more until at some point
the music stops. People start getting behind or even default. And that often brings about a
resetting of debt during which time, honestly, the economy often suffers until it bottoms out.
Some of those loans get written off and growth can start again. And this happens all across
the economy. And it definitely happens in real estate, as we certainly saw in 2008.
But it happens other places too, like credit cards, auto loans, private credit, government
debt, all of it. And by looking into this, how stressed credit is can tell us a ton about where
we are as a market and where we are as an economy. This is really a valuable exercise and it's what
we're going to do on the show today. First, we'll dive deep into real estate credit. We'll look at
differences in single family and residential mortgages. We'll look at multifamily and some
other commercial loans. Then we'll talk about credit and how it's working across other parts
of the economy. Stuff I mentioned earlier, like credit cards, auto loans, student loans.
And we're going to look at that specifically because there's some really interesting and
honestly, I'll just tell you now, concerning data on those fronts. And then at the end of the show,
we'll talk about what the situation with credit across our economy means for you and your
businesses. Let's get to it. First up, let's talk about the housing market and credit here.
And I said it earlier in the intro, but let's just reiterate here why we care about this.
I say this on the show all the time, but there's this concept in the housing market called
forced selling. And I personally think it's one of the canaries in the coal mine, if you will.
It's one of the early indicators that we can watch if we're going to see significant declines,
crash, collapse, whatever you want to call it. And that's because housing is unique. People don't
want to sell their homes for a loss. They don't want to be forced to move. And so what really is
often the catalyst for a decline in the housing market is when people no longer have the option
whether they want to sell or not because they're going to get foreclosed on, they're falling behind
on their payments. That is often the major catalyst for a collapse. That's certainly what happened in
2008. Could something else happen where we saw collapse and there wasn't forced selling? Yeah,
of course, we could see like a complete deterioration of demand. But keep in mind that the
one time in the last 100 years when we saw a real crash, which was around the great financial crisis,
it came about because of a supply shock. First and foremost, there was supply flooding the market,
not because everyone all of a sudden decided, hey, I really want to move and sell my home because
there were these adjustable rate mortgages. People could not keep up with their payments
and they were forced to sell that flooded the market with inventory and pushed prices down.
And although, like I said, other things could happen without a foreclosure wave from forced
selling, prices can stagnate. They can even soften like what we've been seeing over the last couple
of years. But a true crash almost always comes with distressed inventory flooding the market.
So we're going to look at what's happening today with credit distress. But first, I want to sort
of just set the baseline here. Like, let's just start actually back at the great financial crisis
and talk about what stress levels looked like, because then we can compare that to what they
were like in 2009, sort of pre-pandemic. We'll also compare it to what they look like today.
The peak of the financial crisis in terms of housing was sort of in 2009, actually.
The national mortgage delinquency rate, so people not paying their mortgage on time,
hit nine and a quarter percent. That is the highest it was ever recorded at. You know,
this was only tracked back to 1972. But since 1972, that was and still is the highest mortgage
delinquency rates have ever been. There are some subcategories of delinquencies like serious
delinquencies, which is 90 days late. That peaked at about 5% in 2010. Just for more reference,
foreclosures, which are more serious than delinquencies. This is all part of the same
sort of pipeline, if you will. People go 30 days late, then 60, then 90. There's pre-foreclosures,
then there's actually foreclosure filings. That peaked at nearly 3 million, 2.9 million in 2010.
That is huge. That's roughly 22 in every 1,000 households nationally. That is a ton.
And if you live through this, you know that this lasted a while, right? It started in 2008, 2009,
where delinquencies went up, then foreclosures went up. And it took nearly five years for all
this to work through the system. Foreclosures take a long time. Short sales can take a long time. So
it took five years for this to normalize. But by 2019, which is often the year that I use as a
reference point on this show, because it was the year before the pandemic, and it's one of the
more quote-unquote normal years that we've had in recent history. It's hard to call a lot of
the last few years normal. And so by 2019, a quote-unquote normal market, things were actually
looking pretty good. The national delinquency rate at that point was right around, it was a
little bit below 4%. Just as a reminder, in 2009, it was more than double that at 9.25%. Foreclosures
that year in 2018, 2019 were about 400,000. That is down more than 80% from the nearly 3 million
we had in 2010. So huge distress, great financial crisis. Before the pandemic, things were pretty
normal. So what about today? Where do we sit in the spectrum of distress in the United States?
Well, as of today, as of March, that's the last month we have good data for,
we can see that national first lien delinquency, so delinquencies on normal mortgages, are at about
3.35%. So keep that in mind. If you're tracking here, in 2019, the last quote-unquote normal year
in the housing market, it was nearly 4%. So we were still significantly under where we were in
2019. And good news here is that actually that delinquency rate fell from February to March.
It is actually down 37 basis points. A basis point is 0.01%, right? So it went down 0.37%
from February to March. Now you're probably hearing that delinquency and stress in the market
is up and that is true, right? It is higher than it was last year. It was 14 basis points higher
than it was last year. So not crazy, but remember that is down 0.6% below COVID numbers. No one,
no one was complaining about delinquency rates. No one said we were in a foreclosure crisis in 2019.
So keep this in mind when you hear people on social media or whatever saying foreclosures are
up, stress is up. Yes, it is up, but it is up from artificially low rates. Because remember what
happened during the pandemic? We had forbearance closures. We had eviction moratoriums. We had all
these programs put in place by lenders and by the government to suppress foreclosures. And it worked,
we didn't have a foreclosure crisis during COVID, which was a fear at the beginning. It kind of
seems crazy now, but it was a fear at the beginning of the pandemic that we were going to see a big
foreclosure crisis. That didn't happen. And so what we're seeing now is what I would call a
normalization. It's a reversion to average, right? We are getting back to quote unquote,
normal levels. We're not even at normal levels, right? We're still below normal levels. So seeing
it go up is not unusual. It's actually what would be expected. And it is basically a function,
in my opinion, of those foreclosure moratoriums winding down and the foreclosures that should
have been processed during the early 2020s are now being processed. That is basically what's
happening. And there's actually data to back this up, right? We are seeing two simultaneous trends
here that are pretty important that give me confidence in this opinion. First and foremost,
is that delinquency performance actually improved over the last couple of months. And you can see
it if you are a nerd like me and you look at this data really carefully, you can see that
new delinquencies are actually going down. It fell 23% in March. But at the same time,
what's getting worse is serious delinquencies. So the delinquencies that are further down that
pipeline that I was describing earlier are going up. It's kind of like a, you know, people talk
about this like a, you know, when a snake eats something, they eat it whole and sort of like
works its way through its body, that big bump that works its way through. That's what's happening in
foreclosure crisis right now. There's not a lot of new delinquency, but those old delinquencies
that were delayed and forestalled are now working their way through that pipeline. And so we're
seeing more serious delinquencies and we'll talk about this in a minute, but we're seeing more
foreclosure filings. But the overall delinquency rate and the new delinquency rates are actually
down. And so this nuance, although I know it can be a little confusing because there's a lot of
data points here, the big picture thing here is that foreclosures and delinquencies in a macro
scale are not bad. They are below pre-pandemic levels. The new delinquencies are going down,
but the sort of tail end of the pipeline is increasing because they were delayed so long
that those old foreclosures and delinquencies need to work their way through. That is where we stand
today. Could things get worse? We'll talk about that later. But yeah, of course things could get
worse. But right now there is no evidence of a foreclosure crisis. There is no evidence of a
delinquency crisis. By and large, Americans are paying their mortgages on time at historically
good rates. Not the best ever, but like compared to history, it is very good right now. But of
course there are some nuances to this. There are corners of the market that are more concerning
and we should talk about that. The first part is FHA. FHA loans tend to go towards lower income
and first-time homebuyers. And there are signs that there is some serious distress going on here.
Out of all those delinquencies I mentioned before, still low total, but of those delinquencies,
more than half of them are FHA loans. And that's true even though FHA loans only make up for like
10-11% of the market. So if you look at where the stress is coming from, more than half of it
coming from FHA loans. At the end of last year, the serious delinquency rate for FHA was over 11%,
but compare that to just 1.6% for all mortgages. FHA is the source of most of the stress that we're
seeing in the market. So is this concerning? Yes, of course you don't want to see stress here,
but I want to reiterate that FHA is a small part of the total mortgage market, just about 10% or
11%. And it is folded into those bigger numbers. So when I say that delinquency rates are below
where they were in 2019, that is including the increase in FHA. Now with the FHA, there are
some interesting geographic concentrations here that you should know about. A lot of the FHA
distress is coming in the South. And this is because, I think personally, I believe primarily
because insurance costs, property taxes are up, and just like the bigger picture about housing
affordability is worse there. People are getting squeezed. And remember, these are first-time home
buyers. The whole FHA program is designed for people with lower incomes, lower credit scores.
These people are more economically sensitive. And so when insurance costs and secondary costs
start to go up, that can create stress. In addition, the New York Fed put out some data
that shows that student loan delinquencies rates are unusually high in Southern states.
So a lot of things are converging here on FHA borrowers in the South. That is where we are seeing
the biggest concentration of stress in the market. This is something we should keep an eye on. FHA
is something we're going to keep an eye on. But to sum this whole thing up,
things are looking fine in terms of residential mortgages. I think late-stage delinquencies,
foreclosures are normalizing, but there is no sign that delinquencies or foreclosures are really
going to accelerate to any sort of concerning level anytime in the near future. But when we
turn our attention to commercial real estate, that is a totally different story. In my opinion,
the big picture here is that commercial real estate stress is real and it is actually growing
and it could get worse. So right now in early 2026, commercial mortgage-backed securities,
CMBS delinquency rates for multifamily are hitting around 7%. This compares to basically none in 2021,
2022 when things were really good. If you look at office, the office is scary. If you look at office
CMBS delinquencies, that's above 12% right now. That is the highest it's ever been on record.
And so we are seeing a serious situation in commercial real estate. And this is not a
surprise. Since I don't even know, last three years of this show, we have been talking about
how we expect distress to come in multifamily. And that is happening, right? We are starting
to see those stress rates go up. And I actually think it's going to start moving from just
behind on your mortgage payments to we're actually going to start to see some forced selling. We're
already starting to see forced selling. We're going to see more stress, more banks taking
back properties, more forced selling in the commercial real estate space. Now we'll talk
about this in a minute that creates risk, of course, to the operators. It also creates
opportunity for people who want to go out and buy at discounted rates. But let's just remember
first why this is happening in the first place. Unlike residential mortgages, where most loans
are on fixed rate debt, where you lock in your payment and that's what you pay for 30 years,
commercial real estate is almost always adjustable rate debt, where you get one interest rate for
three, five, seven, sometimes 10 years. And then it adjusts that interest rate adjust based on
what's going on in the market at that time. Typically, the cheapest mortgages you can get
are those three year adjustable rate mortgages. If you want the best possible rate to maximize
your cash flow in the short term, you go out and get a three year adjustable rate loan,
which obviously has some benefits, but comes with risk. And we're seeing a lot of that risk
come to fruition right now. In just the next couple of years, two or three years now,
we're going to have nearly a trillion dollars in multifamily debt mature. Now, that's not an
unusually high number. People throw out those numbers and they're like, oh my God, there's
this maturity wall. I don't think that's true because adjustable rates are usually between
three and seven years. Let's call it five years on average, right? Because on average loans and
every five years, one fifth of the total commercial mortgage backed securities market is going to be
due in any given year. And these next few years are no exception. So we're just seeing the normal
churn through adjustable rate mortgages. And for people who bought in 21 or 22, that's going to be
shocking, right? People who bought at a 3%, a 4% mortgage, we're now going to go to a 7% or 8%
mortgage. They might not be able to pay. They might fall behind quickly. They are falling behind
quickly. That's why we're seeing delinquencies rates at 7% right now. We're in office for 12%
because even if your income, your revenue stays the same, your cash flow is going to get eaten
into because your debt service payments are going to go up significantly. That is also happening,
unfortunately, at the same time where rents really aren't growing. And at the same time,
where other expenses like insurance and taxes are going up. And so we have this sort of perfect
storm scenario in commercial real estate where NOIs are flat or negative, your net operating
income, right? Which is basically just your profit without debt service. So your NOI is flat usually
for most people, obviously there's exceptions, but on average, they're flat or down a little bit.
And at the same time, your expenses in terms of your debt service are going up. This is going to
create stress. Not unpredictable. We've been warning about this on the show for two or three
years that this was going to happen, but we are finally starting to see this actually show up in
the data because a lot of lenders and operators were just successfully kicking the can down the
road. They were doing extensions, they were getting waivers, not so much anymore. I think
everyone is seeing rates aren't going down. And so kicking the can down the road three months or
six months, if you're the bank, it's not really going to help you. You're not really doing yourself
any favors. And so they're getting serious about forcing a sale, forcing a refi, forcing a capital
call and an equity injection, the things that they do to try and get these loans to perform.
And some people will do it. Some people will figure it out, but many won't. And that's why
we're seeing this stress. I don't know about you, but I have been hearing more and more about this
just from people I know who are in the industry, but it's just becoming more and more frequent to
hear about this. Like just for example, on the bigger pockets forums in the bigger pockets
community, I read pretty frequently about multifamily syndications that are going to zero
people who invested as LPs, limited partners in a lot of syndications, high profile syndications
are losing their money. We are also seeing people have to do capital calls where investors have to
put more money into these deals. And I'm not happy about that. I don't want anyone to lose
their shirt, but a lot of people got into this industry in 21 and 22, because multifamily was
very attractive back then. Rents were growing. You could get cheap debt, but the good times
haven't lasted forever. And so I'm already starting to see more foreclosures. I talked to someone,
a big multifamily operator who said they were getting, buying multifamily deals for 40 cents
on the dollar from banks right now, because banks are taking these sales back. And oftentimes
they're sold off market, but we're starting to see serious distress in this market. And I
personally think it's going to get worse, which means as we're going to talk about in a little
bit, more and more opportunity. If you want to buy multifamily, I would encourage you not to be
turned off by the entire asset class, because what you're going to hear in the media and hear on
social media is negative. That is true. Where you're going to read about this. You're going
to see that big name syndicators, big name personalities lost investor money. And you're
going to see that they're getting foreclosed on, that they had to sell at a loss, that there was
a hundred percent losses. And again, I don't like that, but it often resets pricing, right? This is
where prices come down. Again, I don't think we're going to see this crash in the residential market,
but will we see significant declines in multifamily? Yeah, I think so. Nationally,
they're already down 15, 20%. They could go down more. In certain markets, they're going to be
down 30 or 40%. And to me, that's a buying opportunity. Whether you want to buy them on
your own, if you want to invest in syndications, I really encourage people not to write off the
entire idea of syndications, just because a lot of high profile syndicators have lost their shirts
and lost a lot of money. Syndication's just a deal format. It's a deal structure. If you find a good
operator who buys a good asset at a good price, right? Like still a good opportunity. So I would
not write this off, but be prepared to see a lot of negative media about the multifamily market in
the next couple of years, just like how the residential market was very negative in 2010
and 2011. And everyone is now wishing that they bought more deals back then. So obviously there's
nuances and differences to this, but these kinds of events where there was stress, it's the end of
the cycle. The cycle ending means that prices go down before it can start growing again. And that's
an opportunity to jump in. But before we talk about opportunity and what you should do about
that, I just want to call out a couple of other things because we just got data from the New York
Federal Reserve about what's going on with debt in other parts of the economy, specifically looking
at student loans, credit card debt, auto loans, HELOCs, that kind of stuff. I'm going to just start
with the two concerning ones. First, let's talk about credit card debt. Credit card debt,
problem in the United States pretty much all the time. But from 2014 to 2023-ish, it was doing
better actually. We were somewhere around 7% or 8% in terms of credit card debt delinquency rates,
serious delinquencies of 90 days plus. Since 2013 and rates started to go up, we went from about 8%
to now about 13%. That's a lot. I know that doesn't sound like a crazy number, but if you
can Google this or if you're watching this on YouTube, we'll put the graph up. But you can see
that it's basically just pointing up and to the right. Credit card debt is getting worse and
there's no signs right now that it's slowing down. This is one of the reasons on the show I
continuously talk about stress in the market. We're not officially in a recession, but when you
look at how American consumers are faring, this is concerning. Credit card debt is concerning.
Credit card debt is not so big that it has these global implications like when
the mortgage debt market collapsed in 2008 and created this whole cascading show across the
entire world because the total size of the US housing market is massive. Credit card debt is
not like that. It's in the $1 trillion range instead of $35 trillion. It's a totally different
scale, but it shows their stress on American consumers and it can spill over. If you combine
that with other kinds of consumer debt in the United States, the picture looks similarly
concerning. Not emergency levels, but concerning. We have seen student loan debt. Those delinquency
rates are back around 10%. I'm personally not overly concerned about that right now. Actually,
before the pandemic when student loan forgiveness and the payments were kind of kicked off for a
while, it was like 11% or 12%. So we're getting back to where we were. Not super high concerning
rates right now, but as a real estate investor, it's something you should be thinking about.
I told you earlier that a lot of what we're seeing in FHA delinquency rates are coming from
a combination of higher costs and people getting money squeezed in other parts of their lives. The
resumption of student loan payments is taking money that they might have put towards rent
or towards their mortgages, and they have to pay those loans back now as they had originally
agreed to, and that could be contributing to why credit card debt is going up, for example.
If we look at auto loans, those are creeping up from 4% to about 6%, and so just basically
everywhere across the economy, except residential mortgages, things are looking a little bit worse.
I guess right now, I don't feel like this is an emergency, but I also have a hard time seeing how
this gets better in the meantime. We're already seeing slowdown in the labor market. If you
listened to my show last week about the normal person Main Street recession, you know that
inflation is now rising faster than incomes, and so that's going to stretch people further.
This stuff can impact your portfolio, so let's talk about that. Let's put this all together,
big picture what this means for you. I'm just going to say it again because I know people
ask me every day, and they send me crazy data about it every day, but market not really at
risk of a crash right now. We would see it. We would see delinquency data. We would see
foreclosure data. It would tell us that there is going to be forced selling in the market.
We do not see that in the data. We do not see that in the data I talked about today. We don't
see that in the inventory data. We don't see that in the new listing data. We just aren't really
that high of a risk of a crash right now. Now, if unemployment goes up to 10, 15 percent, if all the
worst fears about AI come to fruition, could that change? Yeah, it definitely could, but as of right
now and on the show, we talk about things there are evidence of. There is no evidence of that
happening, but there are pockets of distress which create risk and opportunity. This is what
I think you should mostly be thinking about. Risk, multifamily, right? Number one, multifamily risk
for existing operators. If you're in syndications that are going bad, I would seriously think hard
about whether you want to do capital calls and put money into those things because there's no
turn around the corner where things are necessarily going to get better.
If you are looking to buy multifamily, I think there is going to be great opportunity, but there
is a lot of risk here. You have to buy at a great price. You cannot buy at these cap rates that
people are offering in large part on the market right now for five percent cap rates, especially
in the Sunbelt. You need to be buying at distressed pricing. You can't act like things are fine and
rents are going to go up next year. We don't know. I don't think they're going to.
If you want to operate in these spaces, huge opportunity. Can you buy something from a bank?
Can you get something that is distressed? Great. Do that, but make sure you're buying it at
distressed prices. That is really the key here because the way to get these opportunities while
protecting yourself is to buy really, really deep. See if you can buy from distressed sellers.
I'm not advocating. I don't want anyone to lose their shirt. I really, really don't,
but some people are going to. That is just reality. Maybe you can be the solution to that. Maybe you
can buy something off their hands. They might lose money on it, but you might be able to help them
out of a bad situation and create a future growth opportunity from yourself. I really think
multifamily is going to be interesting for the next year or two, but you got to do it safe.
The second thing I'm personally changing about my approach to real estate based on this data,
and what I think you all should consider as well, is I think that vacancy risk is going up,
and I think late payment risk is going up. Again, not a full blown crisis, not a reason to panic,
but I'm going to put this into my underwriting. I am going to increase what I expect vacancy to be,
and I don't really forecast my own late payments, but I do think if you have tenants who maybe don't
have the best credit score, the best repayment history, I would expect late payments to start
to go up because it's the overall debt situation, not in the housing market that has me worried,
but it's really about student loan delinquencies, auto loan delinquencies, credit card delinquencies.
Those things do not happen in a vacuum. Every individual, every person that you rent to
has a limited pool of money, and if they're getting stressed in one part of their life,
it could spread to other parts of your life, and this is why I don't expect a quick turnaround on
rents. It's why I expect cash flows to be struggling for the next year or so because
if vacancy and late payments or non-payments start to go up, that can hurt your bottom line.
Doesn't mean you shouldn't buy. Again, I think there's great opportunity, but build this into
your underwriting. Assume higher vacancy. Assume lower rent growth. Assume that you
might not be able to collect 100% of your rents, especially in multifamily, and if you can make
deals work, if you can buy at distressed price with those assumptions, man, there's going to
be good opportunity. I really think so. I really think there's going to be good deals if you can
do that, but you have to have the discipline and the patience to do the underwriting right.
We are in a higher risk scenario. That's where the reward comes, but don't take on unnecessary
risk. Third thing I'll say, if you're going to go out and buy that multifamily, lock up the
interest rate as long as you can. Personally, I would even pay more to get a fixed rate for 15
years or 30 years. Try and get that 10-year adjustable rate if you can. Those are available.
You might have to pay a little bit higher interest rate, but build that into your underwriting.
If you're negotiating with the seller, say, I have to have a higher interest rate because
I'm only willing to take on a 10-year adjustable rate or I'm only willing to take on fixed rate
debt. If the seller can't meet your price where that works, don't buy it. Wait. Be patient. More
deals are going to come. That's how I see things. I think in residential, it's market by market.
We're going to continue to see softening. The Case Shiller came out today. Home price is nationally
up less than 1%. This year, as I've been predicting for a while, I think the housing market is going
to be pretty close to flat this year, but there are going to be good deals there as well. It's
not going to come from distress in the immediate future. If you're thinking, I'm going to go to
the courthouse auction to buy a single family home, maybe. Maybe in the Southeast. Maybe in
certain markets. Indiana has a high foreclosure rate. New Jersey has a high foreclosure rate.
You can check those places out. I think overall, you're better off looking for deals elsewhere.
Negotiating with sellers who want to sell, who want to move, and things have been sitting on
the market. I think looking for high days on market deals is a better way than looking for
stress in the residential market right now, at least at volume. You might find a couple,
but I think if you're looking for a lot of deal flow, negotiating with people who have put their
houses on the market or pocket listings and who are willing to take a slightly lower price or
10% discount to move something quickly, to me, that's where the opportunity lies in residential.
Commercial, it probably lies in distress. That's it. That's our credit stress report for today.
Thank you all so much for watching this episode of On The Market. I'm Dave Meyer.
I'll see you next time.