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AI GeneratedTim Blotz and Lois Olson analyze Minnesota's political landscape, focusing on Governor Tim Walz's legacy, the critical impact of healthcare access on voters, and the strategic dynamics of the U.S. Senate and Attorney General races. They examine how candidate temperament and recent news cycles influence undecided voters in the final stretch of the campaign.
Welcome to our Political Happy Hour, everyone.
I'm Tim Blotz, along with Lois Olson,
one of our political contributors here.
We've got so many topics to talk about today.
And what I love about this conversation
that we are allowed to have every afternoon,
it is a conversation, right?
No yelling heads and no, you know, it's just great smart stuff.
We try. We try. I think that's the tone of people.
So it's raining outside. People are at home.
Just, you know, cuddle up a little.
Maybe grab the blanket. We won't shock you out of the blanket.
Let's hope not. You know, we got a couple
of headlines that we want to talk about.
And one of the first ones is Governor Tim Walz is in Washington, D.C.
Back there tonight, he's going to be one of the guests
at Georgetown University talking about public life and how to serve.
But what does public service look like going forward,
especially in this era that we have now?
And perhaps maybe he gives some insights about what
his next chapter will be, too.
Well, he has said he doesn't want to run for office again.
There has been speculation about what he might do.
He's suggested that he does want to do something.
I've thought maybe university president,
something like that in his future.
but what's really interesting is this talk
was not on his public schedule today and we've talked
about it here he is kind of taking his victory lap
or his legacy lap maybe we'll call it outside
of Minnesota he was in Seattle a couple weeks ago now he's in DC
and this is it's rare for a governor
to be probably more popular outside of their state.
And I know his team is really trying hard to shape
this legacy around free school lunches, etc.
But I think the one thing that I tried to call his team and ask today,
I did not get a hold of him,
is what does he see public service going forward looking like
for those who will follow him?
because it's very different.
We've talked about it, Courtney, and I talked about
the quality of candidates, the spotlight, the social media, the safety.
If you choose to
step into the breach of public life now and make yourself a candidate,
your considerations are very
different than they were 5, 10, 15 years ago.
And I'm sure he's thought about that, having lived
through some very trying times.
Well, and you mentioned the safety aspect of it all, too,
because that has tragically become a huge component of this now.
You know, look, all families make a sacrifice
when someone within that family decides to run for public office.
And, you know, my wife has a little bit of exposure to that.
Her father was out of Winnebago County executive back
in Wisconsin back in the day.
And you went to college in Winnebago County, right?
In Oshkosh.
So, yeah, her father was out
of Winnebago County executive. So is the family.
She still remembers going hand in hand
with her dad to go door knock. Right.
When he was running for election.
And this has been a long time ago. Right.
Right. But, you know,
in in the family commitment to that political office.
Yes. It's huge. It is a family commitment. There's no doubt about it.
In fact, it's been reported and said primarily
by Governor Walz's children, but his daughter specifically,
Hope, that they did not want him to run for a third term.
And so when he chose to run for a third term,
you can only imagine going home every day and the family's like,
we didn't want you to do this.
We're on board, but really?
And it is a family commitment.
And I think we have to recognize that.
I think we'll just do a call out here.
in these last few weeks no matter what side you're
on just know that the whole family is impacted
so bring some kindness think of the kids i ran
into a candidate spouse a couple weeks ago
on a walk that i take regularly in my community
and uh i i always just say how are you doing
yeah and this was in a nature center
and it was like oh funny that we both find the same place to
go be quiet get away get away um and that's important
for these families too no question
about it and then you have the safety issue especially
with the tragedies that happen here
with the Horton family um and in its these are considerations
that candidates never really had
to consider before no we talked about it earlier
this week um there was an issue up in Badness
heights where a campaign manager caught
on a ring cam writing a note that was like i know where you
live etc to his candidate's opponent ultimately
was fired they did the right thing but the the
mindset needs a little correction in this business yeah
and sometimes i think politics needs a
correction oh yeah well there's some tonal
corrections we could all use so ain't that the
truth all right uh one of the other headlines
and this is fascinating too minnesota doctors a number
them got together yesterday um to basically say
that health care is on the ballot now you and i
have been talking about how fuel prices are on the ballot
um fraud is on the ballot affordability we
had a talk about this yesterday what is affordability
um and because the cost of everything
is going up particularly at the grocery store
but a number of doctors are saying hey look on top of
this all we want you to consider that health care is on the ballot too
because coming up January 1st
there's going to be some major changes to Medicare reimbursement
and that's going to have an effect
on how health care is delivered particularly sadly maybe
in rural areas. Well it's it's across the
broad health care has showed up as a top issue
for us for the last year in polls it has stayed
steady if not for fraud in minnesota health care would
be the number one issue
but fraud has held its own as well
and really the election and the decisions
for democrats they want to make this about trump
and health care republicans want to make it about
fraud and public safety this is the tension
that is existing amongst independent voters
but we at the advisory follow health
care very closely it's one of our core
areas that we track like an investment bank only as an insight
and the attitudes for 20 years have
been either access or affordability for the first time
in the last two years those two things are
equal so it's not just about affordability it's about
a concern about access and this is a very
complex and when we say access i want you
to define that because i think what you're saying
is especially in greater minnesota
is is my clinic going to stay open yep is my hospital
going to stay open will i still be able to go to my doctor
because he still has an office yeah well
it's distance and it's specialties one of the issues has
been there's not as many ob-gyns going
through medical school and recruiting them to rural areas
and so many of our birthing clinics
are closing down.
Well, they're closing down because there's not the physician there. Well, it's
actually a physician issue and it's a volume issue.
And so they're not giving birth as much.
So you can't afford to keep the OBGYN open, but,
but the other it's that it's the doctor. It's not
about the clinic. It's about the talent.
And one of the things is what we've learned is if you are
not if you are in medicine
and you are not practicing regularly your error rate goes up
and so it's very complicated
and so the health care issue is complex in rural it's an access
issue and a cost issue in metro it's it's
a cost issue um and i think you look at hospital
consolidations you look at workforce issues
not as many workforce the number one reason why nurses
leave the workforce? Paperwork.
And so there's some modernization in a highly regulated industry
that needs to happen quickly in order to make sure
that it's still accessible and still affordable.
I don't think, like, we're going to talk about health care
for the next year in this state.
Well, and you just anticipated my next question to you,
and that is, if these doctors are correct,
if this truly is one of the biggest issues on the ballot
that we're not talking about at the moment
because we are talking about fraud,
we are talking about affordability,
we are talking about, especially recently now
in the past couple of weeks, crime here in the Twin Cities.
At what point does health care really become more cognizant
in the forefront of people's minds?
Depends on where you are in the consumer chain of health care,
what your health needs are.
If you are a senior, you're dealing with Medicare Advantage, major
changes right now, and you're shopping this month.
If you're on the individual market, you have till
the end of the year to sign up.
And then if you're in a group plan, you're waiting for your employer
to say, what's my plan for next year and how much does it cost?
And so again, affordability costs
is going to be a major concern. Absolutely.
So it'll continue to be up there. Oh my goodness.
yeah lots of things to talk about here all right we're going
to take a quick break and when we come
back we're going to take a look
at the um the senate race especially the u.s senate debate
that's coming up tomorrow night you're watching
political happy hour here with boyce olsen and
myself here
on fox 9 welcome
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hour we're doing
this every day
this this uh half hour at 4 30 in the afternoon with Boyce Olson
and i'm just keeping the seat
warm for Courtney Godfrey,
because she's taking a couple of days off this week. And I'm
happy to be here, too, because I love these discussions,
because you and I are kind of
political junkies at heart, you more so than the rest of us.
But one of the big things that's going
to happen tomorrow is the debate in the U.S. Senate race.
And for the first time now, we're
really going to kind of get a chance to see
these candidates side by side, taking some questions.
we already know largely what their positions are right
but you tend to learn a lot more
about candidates when when the spotlight
is on in a forum like this you know i've been watching
debates from around the country
or clips from debates around the country and i'm you see some
spicy moments you see some moments yeah
in this u.s senate debate tomorrow which is the only one
on the schedule between Michelle Tefoya
and peggy flanagan sets up a couple different ways
one is the personalities of the two
are very different completely opposite and the debate
approach of both of them and the media personality
of both of them is very different and this is the
interesting piece for me is that in a debate you're trying
to make your opponent respond to you
and both of these candidates have been fairly disciplined
not to do that but they haven't had
the lights on they haven't had the pressure they haven't had
the and they're both going to try to
get under each other's skin a little
and i would just say that that is sport to me to watch to see
how it happens and there's you know the issues are clear
and we have a new ad and um national
fox news was in town today fox
and friends highlighting the race the race is becoming
more national so i think there'll be a lot of people watching there
but it's really Peggy
Flanagan wanting to talk about ICE and Trump
and Michelle's alleged you know connection and
allegiance there and Michelle Tafoya talking about fraud
and crime those are larger themes in the
election but there might not be a race
that that sets up the way it does in this race because
you have two women running
and they to a person deal with issues differently and they're going
to deal with this dynamic.
Michelle Tafoya has never debated. Peggy Flanagan has.
But she's a strong communicator.
Oh, absolutely.
Strong communicator.
Absolutely. Peggy Flanagan has never debated
anyone like Michelle Tafoya. And I think it
is going to be, there's going to be some clips
that we'll probably pull on Monday for sure.
All right. So when I look at these things,
you look at them from that point of view and
and who's who's going to get under each other's skin.
I tend to look at this more from a strategic
communications discipline.
In other words, who is their target audience that they need to be
talking to tomorrow night? Right.
So let's break that down a little bit if I can. Yes. Let's start
with Michelle Tafoya. Who is the target audience
that she needs to convince tomorrow night for
voters to fill in the dot for her so there's four
to seven percent undecided in that race
but most of those undecideds are in the suburbs
and most of those undecideds are women and so
Michelle Tafoya is going to try to convince them
that i think she's competent not oh you know
allied or loyal to the president
and that she somehow can serve in the U.S. Senate in a way
that people don't expect i think Michelle Tafoya
is going to try to be the unexpected candidate
and i think Peggy Flanagan is going to try
to be the Paul Wellstone solid do right for Minnesota
i'm steady i can do this we can have the experience i've
been here before i think that's the way
they're going to do i think that's the way they're going to set it up
and it's not necessarily what
reaction they get out of their opponent.
It's how that reaction then plays to those undecided
voters. Do those undecided voters come away saying,
oh, they handled that issue really well.
I liked that answer.
Or that didn't seem very senatorial or that seemed mean. Neither one of
them in all the debates I've ever watched or been involved with,
the candidates who try to be
overly aggressive often come off as mean
and it it it might feel good in the moment tim but it
doesn't reflect well on the on the screen
and especially in this state where we've we've got
some shall i say some sensibilities upper midwest sensibilities where
um meanness is not a reward
no right okay so i asked about the targeting
that michelle the foia needs to go after what about
peggy who's the key audience that she needs to speak
to tomorrow night well she needs to energize
her base um and and i might point out the base is very important
because they showed up during
the primary yep we had 300 000 more democratic ballots
that were cast in august than republican
it was substantial yes but let's just pause there
democrats have outvoted republicans two to one
in every primary since 1998 so yes
but there were more we had record turnout in both sides
but the ratio was not that different
um so uh one thing i think peggy flanagan has to do is she has
to exude confidence and she has to be able
to look michelle tafoya in the eye she has to be able to
engage she has to not be intimidated if the senate
the U.S. Senate is the greatest deliberative body
in the world she has to prove that she has
the metal to hold her own in the U.S. Senate so how
much does experience matter in in the voters
that you've surveyed the focus groups that you do
in a seat like this um you've got um you have peggy
who's who has a track record of she's won
statewide elective office now twice um she
was an elected representative from Saint Louis Park
So she served in the Minnesota House.
Michelle, on the other hand, has no public policy experience.
Yep. Well, look. Or electoral experience.
And I think that that plays in.
And I think it's an outsider's year. I do.
I think that the math favors Flanagan in the polls.
She has a slight edge, but it's there.
But one of the big issues she's going to talk about is ICE.
And she released a new ad today about ICE.
And I think it's a pretty compelling ad. We have it.
Let's go to it. Let's watch it right now, yeah.
This is where ICE grabbed Liam Coronel Ramos
and sent that five year old little boy to
a detention center in Texas.
ICE has now snatched up 6,200 children. Donald Trump
said he'd go after the worst of the worst.
These are just kids. Michelle Tafoya said
she thinks ICE treats kids really, really well.
I think ICE should be ripped apart and replaced
by an immigration system grounded in safety,
dignity and due process. We can do that.
I'm Peggy Flanagan. I approve this message.
Very strong because it gets at her core message that she's anti-Trump.
And look what he did to our state
and our region here in the Twin Cities.
And I am not going to be that kind of representative.
I'm going to stand up to him. Look what he did,
not just to our state and our region.
Look what he did to our kids.
And I think that's one of the compelling things that we see.
um so in that senate race i think she's gonna
that's what she's gonna try to draw out
Michelle Trevoya was on Fox and Friends today Fox
and friends was in town this is becoming
a national race and i know we'll talk more about
it monday yeah all right well we're going to take
a quick break and when we come back we're going
to talk about the attorney general's race you're
watching political happy hour
with Boy Solson and myself tim
blotts all right you're watching
political happy hour with myself tim blotts
and our political analyst Boy Solson in the couple
of moments that we have left here.
I want to talk about the attorney general's race because
this is tightening up and maybe it's always been tight.
One of the latest polls out yesterday from
Survey USA and our competitors over at KSTP show that this race is neck
and neck, a statistical
and tie. Yep. This is, Keith Ellison
was the closest statewide winner four years ago. It's going to be
a close race. Governor's race is about the future of the state.
The Senate race is about who can be
a senator tim this thing's just going
to be a street fight between keith ellison both of them
had news conferences today that were not policy substantive
but a chance to bash their opponent
and they took off the gloves and both of them yeah
and they're going to keep doing that they
also have a debate uh tomorrow night uh
and so i think that's going to continue but there's a new
ad out by a third party group
and what i want people to realize is how quickly the ads are now
being turned around based on the news
of the day we talk about the news we talk to people about the
news but it's those independent voters that are impacted
by the headlines and uh one of the anti
Ellison groups put out this ad today let's watch it right want
to stop them from leading their
lives they're trying to stop us from leading
our lives they bought cars a mansion a villa overseas
first the fraud now somali gangs driving beamers
and mercedes level of violence has been
brazen a shooting at a church in Edina a shooting
at the Eden Prairie football game and a terrorist
plot at the Mall of America Ellison took their fraud money
and said of course i'm the end of the hill it's
time to and again there's there's a phenomenon
in political science called recency and boy this is
front and center this is a definition
of recency especially going off of the current events here
in the last week and quickly turning that around
into a strategically targeted ad at those who are
still undecided in this race,
hoping that they can scare them into voting for the Republican
candidate. Yeah. And this is a feeling.
Crime is a feeling issue. Affordability of the economy is
a math issue. But this is a feeling issue.
And how these headlines made people feel last week
and the week before and now they're trying to keep
that feeling alive until election day lisa
Dymuth launched a similar ad yesterday
and she actually went to the sites of the crimes and
talked from those places and i think you're going
to see more of this we have a governor's debate
on monday political happy hours off yesterday
but we have a string of debates starting tomorrow
through next wednesday that this race will turn one way
or another i believe it's next week that
these races break one way or another
and that's been history in Minnesota and why is it because
people are still making up their minds
those who pay attention the latest start really paying
attention these last two weeks there's there's kind
of an old adage in in electoral politics
that no one pays attention until the last out
of the last game of the World Series and uh if that's
true we got a couple of we get at least another week
and a half to go we do will the World Series
be over first or will the recount in one
of these races take us farther the most important question
i want to know is do the Brewers get to the World Series
and do the Brewers finally win
so we'll see i'm cheering for your Brewers i
am i have my Wisconsin friends we need we needle them
a little but uh you know Wisconsin can use
a win too uh my i tell this story often my very first
baseball game that dad took me to was in the old County Stadium
and i got to see Hank Aaron hit
a home run over our heads in the centerfield
bleachers probably doesn't get much better than
that tim it might have to take this win
so i'm a i'm a Brewers fan through and through love our
Twins love our Twins but i'm i'm pulling for the Brewers sounds good
and they have a chance to
sweep the Dodgers tonight tonight where are you going
to be on your couch um well i'm going to
be here working for a little bit
and then yeah i'm going home i'm watching it i'm watching the
game sounds good so a lot of fun go brew crew we want
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