Amy Griffin Confronts Billy Bush At Jen Meyer's Hawaii Wedding!

All right, don't forget to hit like and subscribe. An update now on Amy Griffin, the authenticity-challenged author of the 2025 memoir, The Tell. I ran into her last weekend at a wedding for Jen Meyer in Hawaii. She married a guy named Jeff Ogunlese. Jen is one of my girlfriend Allie's best friends. It was awkward, the run-in. If putting me in my place or embarrassing me in front of 350 guests was Amy's plan it backfired spectacularly i have reported on Amy's legal battle uh with a girl from her grade school class who says her story of childhood sexual assault was appropriated by Amy as the basis for her memoir which propelled by Oprah and others became a bestseller although the stats on that are murky um but we won't do that here anyway content creator Katie in case C reported on the drama at the wedding specifically that Amy Griffin came at me at the reception this is true i had not planned on talking about Amy at all once back from the wedding it was a private personal event but if someone else reported it at that point i'd want to make it factual and i expressed that to both the Griffins uh and my silence you know would be weird. Well, Katie in KC texted me. I heard a rumor Amy and Demi, as in Demi Moore, tried confronting you at Jen Meyers' wedding. I sent back, Demi? No way. I mean, she's the nicest. What are you talking about? Katie called me, and she had two sources who were guests at the wedding. Now, sit on that for a minute. Here's a woman from Kansas City, content creator, who has two sources at this you know posh luxurious wedding on Larry Ellison's island i wonder who they are uh credit to Katie by the way i mean she's uh she could post up at Maxine's on a friday night in new york and the manolo traffic would be heavy uh all of new york society watches and gives her views but they don't follow they can't follow you know what i mean because amy we'll find out. But look, I'm going to clear up the story of my encounter with Amy Griffin. But what follows is an accurate depiction of what, in my opinion, is a woman who has become unhinged, tearing down innocent people, trying to ruin lives and careers all to keep her house of cards from tumbling down. But it's down. She has attempted to blackball people from schools. She's threatened to bankrupt media publications and individuals, including me. I've spoken to many of her friends, and they're sickened by the behavior. Back to the wedding. From the moment I arrived in Lanai on Friday afternoon, Amy was obsessed with me. I could feel her glare all over me. And she was telling anyone who would listen not to talk to me. Don't talk to him. I'm convinced that at least it's possible that I am the reason she attended this wedding because, frankly, she's not that close to the bride and couldn't pick the groom out, you know, in a room of one. We kept getting reports back that all the ---- she was saying about me was just right back in my in my ear, like everything. friday lunch rehearsal dinner breakfast the lobby before the wedding uh and then the mini lawn reception right after the wedding where it boiled over so the story goes that you know i could feel i was standing at the middle bar there having a glass of wine talking to a wonderful guy named dan fishman you get to meet dan you'll you'll love him but anyway uh amy i see her because she's wearing a bright red dress and she's about six feet taller taller in heels and she's kind of getting closer to me now um she's about 10 feet away she comes up to the edge of the bar now she's about seven feet away and she walks past me a little bit i'm i'm tracking her in my periphery but like oh god is this what what's happening here and then i hear her and Demi Moore kind of talking not far away and Demi's saying you know it's okay you can go talk to him like Amy it's all right stop this whole scene is unfolding and then finally she she comes at me i can see that she's coming and she stumbles and and her purse spills open entirely everything mints are all over the place and you know lipstick you know everything is on the lawn and Demi is helping her and they're gathering up their things i'm i don't even know what's going on and then she is pulls up in my face and she says she's shaking she's shaking like sweating and shaking and she says you don't know me and i look at her and i'm like now like right in front of her and i say oh i know you you're Amy Griffin and she says no you don't know me okay i can see you're upset um i'm sorry to see that um but i can tell you this i i don't think this is the time nor the place to have this discussion i'll talk i'd love to talk to you on the record and or off either way at another time, but not now. And John, her husband, had pulled up at that point. And I said to him, John, not the time. And he kind of acknowledged. But she continued. She says, how could you accuse me of stealing the cover art for my book? I mean, I covered that this summer. It's kind of odd place to go right away. But I said, OK. She said, it wasn't me who chose that. It was Penguin. And how could you do that to me? Well, the cover art for her book is clearly taken from a work of art by Jan Jors. And everybody in the New York art world knows that painting. It's in Architectural Digest and Vogue. Amy's on the board of the Met and the Gagosian Gallery. Two giant, like, feathers in the artist's cap here. And I spoke with Jan's son this past summer. And he had a reversed image, the picture, the artwork on A.I. Totally clear match. No question. He said, why don't you believe me? She goes, you know, you're abusive, she says. I'm like, abusive? What are you talking about? This is all happening right after this beautiful wedding, gorgeous, stunning wedding where Tobey Maguire is, I mean, talk about, it's like hope for humanity. He's marrying his ex-wife to her new husband. Like, this is, it was funny and self-effacing. It was so beautiful. It was a beautiful day. But, you know, I was calm and cool the whole time. Everyone kept coming up to me, you know, later. Holy ----, what just went down? Oh, my God, are you okay? You handled that beautifully. As we're walking to the shuttle buses to go to the main reception, I hear Amy saying, you know, pulls up next to Allie and says, how could you be with someone who's abusing me? She's like, I'm sorry, what? He's doing this for his entertainment, she says. I mean, the nerve, this is another woman's wedding. Imagine making it all about you, right? And the narcissist, assuming because of her great wealth and prominence that everyone should just swallow what she's serving. I'm interested in the truth. And by the way, I've always tried to soften things with how nice people say she is. That's kind of far gone. Katie and KC, content creator extraordinaire on this topic, also knew that I was seen the next day on a veranda kind of off from the you know breakfast patio chatting with John Griffin Amy's husband for about an hour that is true I corroborated that the contents of our conversation are off the record um but I can say at that moment I felt like he was nice uh he was reasonable even tempered uh and let's just be real husband of the century you know what I mean Is there a plane out there? Here's a great photo. I got to include it. Vogue.com did a 94 picture spread on Jen and Jeff's wedding. And one of the photos is of Allie and me. And you look in the background, that's John Griffin right there. He seems to be checking out. Maybe he's looking at Allie's dress because it really was maybe one of the most stunning dresses of the night. Without question. Had to put it in there. Anyway, several things are going on here, okay? Amy wrote a book based upon recovering horrific childhood memories of sexual assault and violent rape at the hands of a pedophile teacher whose name everyone knows, thanks to the book proposal and the recent exhibit in Amy's Nevada defamation suit, using MDMA, right? She recovered these horrific memories under the influence of ecstasy, basically. but administered and facilitated by experts. And it's the main problem here. The main problem is that she has zero corroboration for any of her devastating claims about her alleged assailant. Frankly, there's no corroboration for any of the wild claims in the book. She wrote that she always knew something traumatic had happened in her childhood. She wrote that another classmate, whom she pseudonymized as Claudia maybe held the key to confirming her memories as Amy remembered that awful terrible teacher with his hand on Claudia's shoulder in a hallway she thought oh my god maybe her too uh amy wrote that her 11 year old daughter picked up on her mom's distant vibes and said mom it's like you're here but you're not here which sort of you know pushed Amy to go and seek this MDMA therapy. somebody interviewed that kid. So insightful, intuitive. Amy wrote that five minutes into her maiden MDMA voyage, the violence began. She kind of bolted upright and was like, why is he here? She said to the practitioner, as Mr. Mason, her alleged assailant of a teacher showed up. Amy changed her story, though, in an updated legal filing clarifying that she began to recover the memories before the MDMA took effect. Okay, so you're not in court sitting there going, well, I'm on an acid trip, and all of a sudden, you know, this happens, so it's got to be the case, right? That would be problematic. So she said they adjusted to say it was before the MDMA took effect. In a New York Magazine profile, shamelessly and painfully written by a fairly prominent writer um amy says she always knew what had happened in this magazine article of like three weeks ago she said it all became very clear actually while walking down the stairs toward the treatment room okay so now the entire premise of the book has changed okay it's not a book about recovering these incredible memories and and experiences through mdma apparently they're already recovered but then the mdma kind of just i don't know it's extra here's the thing i i do believe that amy did experience these visuals and that the memories at the time felt totally real i also believe um what did happen to that other woman Jolene Altum who's now suing amy for uh the appropriation of her traumatic experience seeped into amy's conscious mind via osmosis or they were like lingering unprocessed memories from grade school you know enough kids knew something awful had happened to Jolene at the hands of a gym teacher a different teacher her date to that fateful Sadie Hawkins dance in eighth grade corroborated it Jolene came back tussled her hair everywhere and they were like what he was like what happened and she eventually told him I was you know assaulted by this teacher Amy's alleged assailant worked for 32 years as a science teacher and then vice principal at at the school after Amy left without incident. And the guy still lives in Amarillo, Texas. He's still there in the community. Jolene's assailant, right? Now, different teacher, gym teacher who left town shortly after as a child predator might, right? Who violently assaults a child for four years, never another child after that, and just hangs around for 32 years and still lives there, right? So I look, I believe Amy experienced the memories, as she says, and nobody even acknowledges that but me. and she calls me mean and cruel and whatever, how could you, how could you? But in the book, she says her facilitator told her the medicine never lies. Now, if that's not true, that facilitator has been compromised majorly because any expert will say that's problematic. It's just simply not true. I spoke with another woman unrelated to the wedding, but right around the time, last week, serendipitously. She also had the same MDMA experience with the same two facilitators that Amy used, okay? And guess what? Same thing happened to her. Like violent assault memories, like jarring, destabilizing family friend, I said. She said, yes, that this happened to her when she was, what did she do? Well, different paths. She didn't go write a book about it. She spent time with it. She got stable. She worked through in therapy. She did her own investigation within the family, and she came to the ultimate conclusion. It did not happen. In my opinion, Amy saw her bestseller right away. She saw where she fits in, her platform. She saw Oprah's couch, and she barreled towards her newfound prominence before fleshing it out. I'm not just going to be the person that funds Gwyneth Reese and the Bumble and all these businesses with my tremendous amount of wealth. I, too, have a place in my following and I belong, you know, in with my own fame. Yeah. So she didn't flesh it out, except she tried to flesh it out. She hired investigators to corroborate her story like the best in the world, Kroll and Associates. And they frankly turned up nothing. But she plowed ahead anyway. Did Amy Griffin directly appropriate a less fortunate girl's story from her little hometown and make it her own for financial gain? I don't think so. I don't. Has she blown off way too many red flags to kind of pump the brakes before landing on Oprah's couch? More than likely. And there are other questions about the book. James? James? Do you remember James? If you read the tell, she was set up on a date with James by a friend of her father's while she was studying abroad in London. He's the guy, she says in the book, who took her out to a Premier League soccer game and then out to dinner, got her really drunk and then had non-consensual sex with her. Now, they dated the rest of the summer, right, with lots of consensual follow-up activity. And I understand very well, because I have experience in this area, that many victims tried to rationalize assault and they actually befriended their assaulters, but this is not one of them. Everyone knows who James is. I'm like 99.9. I've played golf with him. He did not date Graber. and she did not cut him off after 30 years of friendship as she writes that she did in the tell uh how could i be friends with this guy if you know if i'm these memories i can't still be friends and do family vacations and all of that no they're still friends absolutely she's loved the guy forever i've reached out to him he won't talk um i don't know why he didn't do it not a chance through a friend he denies that he's james but he's james and you know i wonder if he signed an NDA. I wonder if a lot of people have signed an NDA. I was told by a fellow classmate of Amy and Jolene's that coach Barb Bixler, who was Amy's volleyball coach in grade school, had signed an NDA. Amy writes in her book about the quiet student named Claudia, whom she thinks also was abused by the same teacher. In the book proposal, she describes Jolene to an absolute T. This is the proposal she circulated to publishing companies when she was, you know, trying to pick one. And she described Jolene, she described Claudia as this girl with blunt cut bangs she was in the foster care home in town, um she drove to school in a white van, the staff dropped her off, how many girls in your class can that be with blunt cut bangs and foster care getting dropped off in a white van, uh that was the proposal, in the book changed it for the actual memoir, right now says in her legal filings that Claudia is an entirely different person. And Amy served up that person to be interviewed by New York Magazine in their deeply confusing portrayal of Amy, which leaves the reader wondering if Amy's friendship with the magazine's publisher had everything to do with that piece getting published. That woman on loan lives in Tennessee. Very clearly, she has said on the record, no abuse ever occurred to her. uh she appears to be nothing more than a decoy and I'm gonna bet she's signed an NDA as well uh back to that cover art from the tell, it's definitely a ripoff, uh from artist Jan Yours you can see the side by side here, it's it's I'm sorry, it's obvious if Penguin, the publishing company has been indemnified on claims against Amy by Jolene in the lawsuit, they're probably covered here too, right? This one's on Amy although she's saying to me that's Penguin, there's a big falling out between Penguin, let's be, let's be real because you know what, it's about this time in the fall that at least the you know the paperback version of the book is the next phase and a bestseller, right? You you roll out the paperback, those plans were scrapped, there will be no paperback coming out, there is a scene also in the book where an intruder with a stocking over his face breaks into a house that Amy's living in outside of Austin, uh once Austin Texas one summer with some other girls they're all and there's like four girls in the house and anyway this kind of creepy intruder comes in stocking on the face ends up wrestling with one of her roommates who'd gone downstairs Sarah to get to get some water they wrestle on the hardwood floor Amy's scantily clad she's you know half dressed and oh my god the guy runs out his stocking gets caught on the fence post and police later catch him and it turns out he's a serial rapist who's assaulted 14 other women i'm not the only one wondering if that ever actually happened or if it happened you know with her or was it someone else's story um again there's just zero corroboration ever for anything in the book Sam Lansky her ghost writer i mean maybe it was him that gave the guy, the cliche stocking over the face. I mean, it's like a B-movie. From several of Amy's friends in New York City, she's in deep denial. She won't stop going out in public, trying to will it all away. She attended a fancy fellow named Derek Blasberg's book party. She spoke at the Met last Wednesday night. It's kind of awkward, forced. And everybody is talking about it, everybody. And I got to say it, man, I get no pleasure from it. I think, you know, maybe I would in some perverse way if I still didn't have some kind of trace amounts of PTSD. I'm sure there are people with, you know, getting some pleasure out of it. Yeah, but I mean, I still have some PTSD. I know what it's like to, you know, to be pilloried in the press. But, you know, her wedding behavior did not help. I can say that. And what really upsets people is the vast reporting of Amy's abuse of power. And this is the part I cannot stand. I've received several credible reports about threats that she's made against people she sees as trying to take her down, like New York Times investigative journalist Katie Rogman, who wrote the original piece. And one week after the New York Times published that, you know, Katie Rogman and Liz Egan deep dive into Amy's claims uh in her book Amy told people allegedly that Ari Emanuel's Aspen Ideas Summit, this is one week after the article came out that she was going to make life difficult for Katie Rossman's son, a student at a SoCal university, allegedly maybe rumors of you know him being an assaulter of of you know of his own, okay, another right that might surface Now, maybe that's just emotional bluster, but who would even think to say that? By the way, Katie's son is gay, so whoops. Amy's had it out for the New York Times from the moment they dare to question her authenticity. Also at the Aspen Ideas Summit, she was allegedly telling people she was going to sue the Times in a bankruptcy if she did not get a retraction. They stood by their story every step of the way. That retraction still hasn't come, and it won't. By the way, when Jolene sued Amy Griffin in March of this year, Amy's lawyers immediately demanded, as part of discovery, all of Jolene's communications, emails, texts with Katie and Liz Egan at the New York Times, because Amy was absolutely sure that those two writers were scurrilous, and they somehow groomed Jolene into saying that these were her, in fact, these were her memories, And they groomed her by getting her to read the book and say that it was her. Because she had nothing to hide, Jolene's lawyer, Zach Rosenblatt, handed all of Jolene's communications with the two New York Times writers over to Amy's legal team. Amy got to read all of their comms. If anything was underhanded or they had groomed Jolene to say what they wanted, as Amy alleged, it would have come out, and nothing came out. All of these writers' emails, and nothing comes out. Amy's lawyers read the whole thing, never sued the Times, and the statute of limitation expires because it's a year, so that expired about three weeks ago. Speaking of underhanded, Katie and KC, content creator, reported the other day that when Amy did her interview with Amarillo Police Sergeant Gordon Eatley back in like August of 2000, I think 21, where she officially filed her claims against the terrible teacher. She inferred in those recordings that the teacher was likely responsible for the death of his own 15-year-old daughter. The teacher's ex-wife has since defended him and made clear he had nothing to do with that. Their daughter died, I think, of an asthma attack while living with her mother. But that is some serious dark stuff right there. Her investigators clearly looked into this and found nothing, and yet she still took the opportunity to suggest a man killed his own child. It's not enough to just accuse him of being a violent pedophile, right? Other well-corroborated allegations. Amy tried to blackball another person's kid from a nice all-girls private school. Got that direct. Two sources. It backfired. It got immediately back to me. And she told people with whom she had lunch the day before the wedding that she was going to ruin me. She said she was going to sue me into oblivion, bankrupt me, and make me homeless. These are from the people sitting at the table, okay? It all got back. Instead of owning any of this, she's trying to overpower everyone with her money, and it turns people off. Her money's worked almost everywhere. I mean, she's on the board of the Met in New York. That's like heavy hitting stuff. But it's not going to work here. The nice girl image is gone. She's unwilling to own her mess. It's a mistake. And she's got the best in the business running her operations and so she's going to continue this operation, it seems, according to a Breaker report by Lachlan Cartwright. Her lawyers, legendary, scary, threatening letter writers, are teaming up with Shillings, the UK law firm known for helping the rich and powerful take on the media, including with the use of super injunctions. The two firms are setting up a private investigations and intelligence business called CLS Vision that'll be co-led by a former CIA official. What the hell is this? This is like dark arts here. I mean, aren't these lawyers? Like, don't choose this path. Choose truth and healing and helping other people. You've got so much money to use for a good purpose. And by the way, I've got a plan for that. And I'm gonna share it with you in a minute. The Financial Times reported that CLS Vision declined to comment on whether it would investigate journalists. It's well known that the other investigative firms that are big time, like Kroll and Associates, declined to target journalists, good for them, but said it was very focused on helping clients who were the target of disinformation and smear campaigns. Amy, that's not you, okay? The new firm's going to take particular interest in so-called junk news sites that can resemble legitimate news outlets but allow people to pay to publish false information. Now, I actually support that, right? Fake smear sites that kind of masquerade as an actual publication to just destroy somebody. Yeah, not good. But their latest letter writing campaign has been to Airmail, which was started by Graydon Carter, but it's now majority owned by Redbird Capital, regarding a story that they were working on about Amy Griffin. Air Mail's writer at large, Rich Cohen, had filed a multi-part series about Amy, whose credibility has been called into question by the New York Times and was the subject of a recent New York Magazine cover story that seemed to raise more questions than answers. Breaker has learned, they write, that Cohen's piece was going through fact-checking at Air Mail, one of the final stages before publication, when Griffin's attorney, Tom Clare, entered the picture taking issue with a number of elements in Cohen's reporting following Clare's legal campaign Airmail's editors told Cohen yeah look uh you can take the story to another outlet according to people familiar with the situation i'm one of them in september uh rich cohen contacted another publication uh and is currently trying to rework the piece for them in hopes you know it'll see the light of day. Who knows? As Breaker previously reported, Amy Griffin is no stranger to utilizing her vast legal resources. You know, her classmate Jolene sued her and her ghostwriter and her publisher, claiming that Amy stole Jolene Altham's childhood sexual abuse story and used her likeness for the book. Amy filed an anti-slap motion in California to have the lawsuit dismissed. It worked for Dial Press, but the judge ruled against Griffin and Sam Lansky. Amy's filed an appeal. It's endless. In return, she's also counter-suing Jolene Altam in hopes to bankrupt her in a federal suit in Nevada. Now, Amy's okay with publications pushing far-fetched narratives so long as they're on her behalf. Ahem, New York Magazine, who attempted to reframe the entire premise of her book. Really nice. Nice attempt. Why'd you do that? The only option that Amy should consider is the truth. It seems she's going to burn the village down. And I can tell you, she's got no support. If she does, it's not public, except sweet little Barb Bixler, her eighth grade volleyball coach, who was quoted in New York Magazine saying, I believe her and I believe Jolene. Barb does know by now, and I think forgives Amy for writing in her book proposal that circulated to publishing houses that she realizes why nobody ever picked up on you know all these incidents of violent assault in the school building by this teacher on this 12 13 year old girl it's because he had help in an accomplice amy writes that barb bixler was outside the locker room door and basically says that she was you know in on it she was like guarding the door while he did his terrible things to this Amy inside. I mean, this is just absolutely bonkers. Barb Bixler seems to be a very, very nice woman saying, I believe Amy and I believe Jolene and let's all get along. And you know what else is annoying? The literati whom she, whom Amy leveraged and charmed with her, you know, big personality and even bigger pocketbook to, you know, promote her book. They've all disappeared, right? All the fancy people that interviewed her at the 92nd Street Y or on the podcast or all the people that promoted, all the very famous people that promoted her book and everything. She got the billionaire's pass, but none are standing up for her publicly. Maybe they're texting her. Again, look, I know what it's like to feel under attack, pilloried by the press. I perpetrated no evil and still had to disappear from my own self-preservation in life. So look, I do not enjoy Amy's spectacular implosion here. I see actually a path for Amy. If she'll maybe come see me, maybe talk about it right here, just like total honesty, transparency, just lift up the curtain, two people, and let's just talk about what happened. I think she is a victim, but not of what she based her book on. Her facilitators, integrationists, publishing company, husband, fancy friends? I mean, who had her back enough to say, whoa, sit with this, flesh it out, corroborate before you devastate so many lives? The thirst was too much. They say money can't buy you happiness. It can definitely buy you total misery, you know, because for your own happiness, money should be an object. There's an enormous amount of money that has been spent around this book, writing the book, investigating Amy's claims of sexual assault, which no one could find any corroboration for, promoting the book, publicity, who knows, probably buying a few copies off the shelf, you know, hey. And then once the lawsuit happened, damage control, PR, the legal bill, then all this money spent allegedly trying to dig up dirt on Jolene, right? Trying to paint her like a gambler from Vegas, spending money on investigators allegedly tailing her. Everyone who's opposed, you know, Amy kind of communicates on encryption apps, I'll tell you. They've spent, why? I don't think that there's that feeling that there's nothing she'll stop at. They've spent more money on this book than it ever could have made. The New York Times reporting was so deeply researched. I mean, it was meticulous. Katie Rossman and Liz Egan and their researchers went to Amarillo and investigated this story in depth. Katie was not out to get Amy. She was pursuing the truth like I am, like many people listening are. They want to know what's the truth. No one's here to hurt Amy, right? There are other innocent people on the other side of this. There's three men with awful allegations against them, two in the book, James and, of course, the teacher. And in the book Proposal, you can't put this, you know, can't put this, you know, rabbit back in the hat. But a family friend down the street who Mamie said in the proposal, you know, assaulted her when she was eight. Yeah. And then you got the house off campus house. I mean, it's just a lot that's in there. And then, of course, you got, you know, Jolene, a woman who suffered actual abuse and some details of which, you know, end up in a memoir of someone else's. This is like, it's a lot. The New York Times coverage was not attacking Amy. It reported that Jolene had a similar story and raised questions about inconsistencies in the book. That's what they do. Amy's own circle recognizes these inconsistencies. The questions are not just coming from me or from Katie and Casey or Rich Cohen. By the way, there's another reporter, a heavyweight, who's looking into the retribution and revenge campaign enacted by Amy. I've spoken to them. There are endless people who don't believe the story and are trying to make sense of it, not in an effort to get Amy, but in an effort to protect the people who've been accused of sexual assault and preserve someone else's own story of sexual assault. Jolene gave up her communications, her emails and texts and everything with the New York Times to Amy's legal and investigative team because there was nothing to hide and they found no wrongdoing, not one thing. If they had, they would have sued, I'm sure. And allegedly, they were threatening to do it right up to the statute of limitations passed on September 25th or something. It's helpful, you know, when money, like I said, is an object, right? It might prevent spectacular implosions like this and misdeeds. Since all of Amy's friends are listening right now, and I know you are, if you truly care about her, right, not her money or her investment into whatever it is, draw the line, stop enabling her. Stop it. And then I ask you this question, because you're probably decent people. If Amy fell on the sword and apologized and said, oh, my God, the visions that I had were so unbelievably real. And I think I just moved too quickly because I was so horrified. And but and by the way, there's a larger purpose now. In a few months, the FDA is likely going to approve MDMA assisted therapy. It's going to be legal. People can do this. Right. Amy can now turn her attention and her money and her influence to, you know, lobbying on Capitol Hill, Congress, to make sure that there are there's protocol, strict protocol that these, you know, facilitators and things have to follow when they're counseling these people or else people are going to run around suing each other. Like I was, you know, this happened to me and this we're going to have lawsuits coming out the ears here. If Amy fell on the sword and focused on that, you know, bigger mission, even though it's a little late, whatever. but she tried to make it right would you forgive her i would i would i'd like a phone call saying i'm sorry you're not a bad guy and you didn't do this and i'm i understand your job and what you were doing nothing personal but yeah i would i don't know that's something each person has to answer i leave you with this it's a quote from Elvis Presley, ever heard of him? The truth is like the sun, you can shut it for a time but it ain't going away Thank you.