Baba Watoto Wasome! MR Ndung'u Nyoro - Cele's Reflection

Aseni, mkofiti, welcome to Seller's Reflection. Today I am so honored to be hosting this person. Like it feels like, what does it mean to be on set? I can't believe I have you here. So guys, my guest today is, most of you have seen him, most of you have heard about him, most of you have interacted with him. And I'm very lucky to have you today, Mr. Ndongo. Thank you. I am so, so happy. Thank you. And I am so sure there is someone who will help you today, for sure. Many, not even one. Actually so many. Yeah. So welcome to Silence Reflection. Thank you. Here we just try to learn new things, hear stories of people that will encourage us, give us hope. Because a lot of us have died because of you. You gave us a little bit. And that's why I have you today here, especially on Wato To Wasome. Yes. So, feel free. Thank you. Don't be afraid. Absolutely. We're here easy. We're here talking stories, you're telling us, you're encouraging us. Yes. Then we learn something from you. Thank you. So, welcome very much. Thank you very much. I'm grateful, Sele. And I'm actually trying to teach myself to call you Sele. If you may allow, because I'm used to wakavinyi. Feel free, nisawa. Because I'm one person who used to follow you from days back. Really? Yes, yes, yes, yes. From when? From even before the COVID So where are we? So that journey, that journey. Asante. And being here with you, it's humbling. And I'm so grateful even for the opportunity. And, uh... It's an affirmation that God loves what we do. Oh yes, of course he does. And I think that's why we have you here today. Because even seeing what you do out there, that's like spreading the word. Sure, sure. It's like the cartoon title of the reverend. Yes, and we'll get rid of it. And we'll get rid of it. But what you're doing is... Good to the community. Like, kukuwa na msika wewe. Actually, Ebu, tell them what you do. Maybe, tunasume, they know what you do. Yes. Saseni. Mm-hmm. I know most of you call me Baba Watoto Wasome. But my real name is Ndungu Nyoro. And we are the home of Watoto Wasome, where we give opportunity to young, you know, Academically gifted learners, but from very, very humble backgrounds. We give them an opportunity to continue dreaming that if they believe that education is what will make them change their status, their own status, the status of their family, we give them an opportunity to continue dreaming. So this Affector Foundation, Watoto Wasome, is that space where we come, give you support, and you continue with your studies. Uh, were you once a teacher? No, I wasn't a teacher and I don't think I have any experience apart from But I have never been a teacher. What I can say is that I've been a leader, you know, primary school, high school, college, you know, so perhaps that could have in one way or the other. I can help our children study. Yes. Now, Sele, that time when I'm telling you that I used to follow you, I used to be very active in social media. We used to have a thing called graduates.com, because you would hear it, then it came Facebook, then Twitter came and others. But I was very, very active on Facebook. And at that time, I remember there was a time, somebody from my home area, he had a sick child. The boy was very sick, and it was a chronic illness. And he had, a few years back, lost his mother to the same, same illness. And here now the father is stuck. The boy is very sick. He's not able to take the son to hospital. He doesn't even have a vehicle to take him to the hospital. So I remember what he did. He took the child to the hospital. And then he had a big grave. He took a picture of him. And then he used to walk with that photograph to people. And he said, help me take my child to the hospital. So one person from my home area, where I come from, he saw that picture. He used me. He told me... Because I remember we were approaching Christmas. It was, I think, the first week of December. He told me, you know, December is about giving back. Why don't we just gift this boy? We'll just say his birthday is his birthday. So why don't we do something? And I saw the photo. I didn't know the boy. I didn't know the guy. But I was told he's from my home area. So what I thought, I'll post it on Facebook. The people in our area told us to support Mdoi. Apparently, it's not people from my home area who came. It's people from my Facebook friends. Even some of them didn't know. And we were able to raise more than 100,000. What? That was my first instance of creating social media. And that parent who was even on a journey, got the money to take Mdoi to the hospital. Then he was referred from Moe Referral to Kenyatta Hospital. The boy, a cancer could recover. And as we were approaching the new year, the boy was able to resume school. What? And as you keep sharing, people kept, you know, appreciating. And then we realized, oh, kumbe, the social media, we can also use it for helpful causes. It's not always bad. Yes, it's not all about, you know. Yeah. Who is attacking who? Who is unhappy with who? And that is where we started. So you went with the journey of Mpaka Kijana. I kept on updating. The boy went back to school. He kept on doing very, very well in school. And now that one experience took us to another, to another, to another. Even people now started coming and saying that, can we also help this one? Can you also help this one? And let me tell you, within a year, we even started supporting patients who are referred to places like India. And even taking them for treatment. What year was this when you first... 2014. 2014. So, 2014, 2015, 2016. Were you working by then? Yes, I was. So, you are... Yes, I was. So, you are... So, you are... Because, again, these cases, you have to be sure they are genuine. And I remember at one time, HR, he saw me on the news. He asked me, what time do you work? Because here you are going to take this, you were taking patient India, you were doing this, you were doing this. So it was... Initially, it was okay, but at some point, I also started struggling. With your work? With my work, and I could feel I'm being pushed towards this side of helping people. And, uh... I can tell you, that time again, also people started knowing what we do, you know, inviting us also to support them in other courses. So at that time is when I was invited by one of the banks that was championing courses for education. You know, it used to do, to offer scholarships to, and they still do even now. And they asked if I can be part of their... They are a community selection board to help identify the very, very deserving cases to join the scholarship program. And I think that is where now there was a shift from health-related courses to education. And I remember one time we visited a family. We walked into a compound. It was very deserted. And we found two children. One of them had just completed class eight. And another one was some years, you know, I think he was in class five or class six. And they were all alone and they didn't even have a parent and they had not eaten for a couple of days. So even for you to get their attention, you must first of all speak the language of food. So you provide food on the table so that now they can go to concentrate and tell you what is happening. So they had not seen their mother for, I think, two months. Yes, two months and they are on their own. And even with all these problems, Sele, still these people are studying. In the hope that this education will help change the story. And now the children have completed their KCPE, and they have no one to push them to the next level. So this now kept on telling me, I think there's something we can do for these kids. So we went, we picked, we picked, selected. You told, bring this number of learners. Triple the number. For example, they used to tell us the final cut is 16. Eight boys, eight girls. Only? Only in a region. You have tried from 300 applications, you have come, you have come 200, you have come 100, you have come 50, you have come 40, you have come 80. Because you are so sure none of these will see you in your secondary school. So I just told them, just pick whoever you pick. Then, wale watabaki, let's see what we can do. So hawo njo wali yazisha watoto wasome. Oh, so this bank is holding what it wanted? So they took what they took, what they had, and we took it. Those were our first cohort. So let me take you back. So you're already out of the job? No, at that point, I left, I resigned, and I came and we registered an NGO. And Gava is here to give us money. So Affecto is a registered NGO to run Charitable Courses. So at that time, that's when I left. Now, if you don't have a child, you'll only get one of them. What happens, for the bank, there's always a call for people to apply for. So we get these applications. When you get now a good number, you start visiting them where they are and find out whether you can be able to pick them. So that was our first, and we picked in, we brought them to our program. Over the years, we decided as a factor, our board decided, ours, we go for the very, very needy. So the very needy, it means you have explored all options, none is working. So what do we do? We wait, Sele Foundation, they pick them up, they take them to school. Others, they pick them up, they take them to school. Others, they take them to school. Then, when they learn, when they go to school, now we start to ask, who is left? The last lot. Yes, so that's how we pick them up, we take them to school. Okay, so there's a time, let me remember. There's a time I saw you on Facebook. Yes. This was the first time I encountered a story you wrote about a girl who was going to school in Form 1. This one was not from a very, very humble, I feel like just something happened, her slot was lost. I thought that's when you started Watoto Asome. Around that time. around that time And it's a load, your memory. Your story, it touched. Yes, it was a painful one. Mm-hmm. But one of these days, I'll introduce that young girl to you. You will not believe. What was her story? Um... This young girl, she was, the father is a carpenter, and the mother is just a housewife. So, she had to do it all. He was told, and he knew, you know, having seen the kind of experience they're going through as a family. So he thought, I'm the one who's in trouble. So the girl does so well, works so hard, works so hard. And then when he reached class eight, the results came out, he did well and he was called to a good school. But then there's no money to take her to school. So the father, you know, being the man of the house, you have to keep encouraging your daughter. Don't worry, we are still exploring options. And they kept on knocking doors. But now when they realize it's taking longer, the dad went to this school, this secondary school, sought audience with the principal. He didn't meet the principal, but he met the deputy principal and told the deputy, I'm having a problem, but I feel if you give me two weeks, I'll have secured something to bring my daughter to school. And the deputy principal, So he continued looking for help, you know. And I remember there's a church which decided, let's write a check for the child to enter. So they did a check. The father decides to take the daughter to school. Now they have bought everything. And the girl is very happy. Because, again, she was the one left in the village. I remember the photo. So now she's very happy knowing that she has gone to school. The father, the mother, and the daughter. And the box as well. And the box. Kufika shule. And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And she had even the guts to tell her father, And he was called to that school? He was called to that school, he had that money, and now he has paid the school fees for that term. The principal refused. They stayed in that school from morning. Up to 7pm, still pleading with the principal. The principal did not, and because he was somewhere, they slept with a watchman. So the following morning is when now they went back home. The child and his box, and they returned their money that they had deposited. So you even hurt the parent? The father even cried. You hurt the child? The one who was free, he went to school? Yes. Yes, yes. And that child, he had given to the parent. He had given to the parent at a very vulnerable point. That she's looking up to the father to provide direction. So we're finding out that Hashima Yamzazi is dead. And it was a very painful experience. They went back home and that is when I got to learn about the story. They reached out to you? No. Someone reached out to you? Somebody did. And I felt so bad and I wrote a very, very passionate letter to the principal. It went viral. It really, really went viral. Different people were coming to ask how they can help, even the ministry. And after discussing, we said it is not the best environment to support in the young girl. So we looked for a different school, a county school. We took our daughter and told her, now that her parents were fighting, let's not fight anymore. And I remember I met the young girl at home. She didn't even know me. So it was a blessing in a way. Even that girl tells me. Because after that, she went, she worked so hard, finished high school, she had a B plus, went to campus, now she's in her third year, and she's also very passionate. She's a leader, because actually even in the new school where she went, by the time she was end of form two, she was the head girl. Oh, wow. Yes. So we really, you know, loved and she also, you know, those leadership opportunities, she took them very positively. She feels there was an injustice for her, which at some point in life she'll come and correct. So that is why she went and, you know, became a leader. Even as we speak, that girl has been very passionate about, you know, young people. opportunities for young people going to international conferences just to see how they can you know have solutions. Last year she went to represent a factor in Thailand. She's part of the beneficiary of our program. This year she went to Dubai. Last week she was in Turkey. Just passionately speaking about opportunities for young men. They have siblings as she has siblings. She has a younger brother. Now, she tells me, Well done. Yes. Well done. Yes. I feel like up on, you know, you're doing the Lord's work. That is what you're actually doing. We get this many, and this thing is happening out there. I feel like, It's something that someone can tell you face-to-face. He has passed through with her, but he gave me a slot. Thanks. It is happening without even hiding. Yes, it's happening. I've seen it firsthand with my cousin. A huge figure. And you see now the most painful thing is... He told me to put it down. And then for that, the person who was... He threw it. He put it down. Even you, the person who said to put it down, you don't have it. It's not that you have it. Yes. You're looking for a space. I want you to try it. Because putting it down is not in the school fees. Yes. It is just putting it down to get a space. And the school fees, the squeeze that's there in Barua, it's not that. Oh no. Don't worry. Ask any parent. That's... He told you that he has 53,000. How? My friend, now can you double that? So in a year, the expenses of school, they'll be double of what you have seen on that. And this is something that even children who study still experience. Yes, we do experience. It's a... Especially this year, it has been our toughest year. School fees were increasing on a timely basis. So what you had budgeted for at the beginning of the year, you find yourself in a place where you have been. Because school fees keep on increasing term after term after term after term. It's quite an area. We have a lot of areas, but it's been very difficult. How many kids? How many? Like, you can say, how many do you have? I'm going to go and get Peevee. In high school, we have 114. A hundred and four. 114? Yes. Students? I'm just talking about full support. 114? One, one. 114. Those are school fees for all of us, 114? Yes. And I told you, don't budget $53,000. That's not what you're talking about. No. And then once they get into a program, it's a wholesome kind of support. So we have 114 and we have 53 who are in the field. And anything that is school related, that cost is on us. With trips? Trips. So we're talking about books, we're talking about uniform, we're talking about years of tuition, talking about the motivation of the teachers, there are many things coming, there are developments. You hear this time, they're taking 20, 10, you know, because they're building a hostel, you know, those kind of things. But also transport. And sometimes somebody, when you mention transport, they say, it's not mobile. I want you to figure a scenario of, you have a boy in Malindi, and he's schooling in Kirinyaga. Can you guess how much it costs us to, one way? One way is around 3,000. No, you're wrong. Five. 6,000. One way? Yeah. You can't get a school in Malindi? The problem is... I don't know how they call decentralization or something. So where you find students from this part of the country, they are being sent to this part of the country. So we have some in Mombasa schooling at Kisi. We have some in Kisi schooling in Nairobi. Somebody from Marsabit schooling in Taita Taveta. So they're spread all across. And you see we're talking about people from humble backgrounds. So if you don't come and meet that cost, even if you don't pay your school fees, there's no place for you to go. So we come, we make sure that they're in school. Then at the end of the term, again, we bring them together. We are now bringing, it's a week of them sharing their experiences. It's a mentorship boot camp. Where you come, you meet me, I meet you, you share experiences, I learn the challenges you're going through. I tell you about mine and how I'm going around them. Then you learn you're not the only one who is in problems. You're not the only one who is having some challenges in life. Then we bring in professionals also. They come and talk to these young people. At the end of that week, you go now knowing that the other week, the other term, you'll be now on a different level. And that has enabled us, the last team, to have 100% transition. High school transitioning now to tertiary. Now, I'm thinking that by the moment you're going to Look at the kids that have been left when you're at the end of the school completely. You find that family at a certain state. Yes. So how is it when you take the kid, they haven't eaten in the last couple of days. You have helped him to go to school. But now the family. Yes. Initially, and that's why I told you that it's a whole experience on its own. Initially, I thought, that's all. But I've realized, even if I take you as a student, I'll give you that feeling. If you go to school, you don't even concentrate. Because my mom doesn't have any sisters. You have left your siblings hungry. So it's become, we had to think through that. We had an experience of one boy. I think he was informed to them. He came and told me he wants to shift from a boarding school to a day school. I asked him, why? He told me, he can't concentrate in school. He feels like his brothers are struggling so much at home. So he wants to be in a day school so that at least if they are suffering, they suffer together, and if there's something he can do to support his siblings, he'll be happy about it. That challenged me. Then after we discussed as a team, we called the mother. We had a meeting, and we figured out whether we can support her, you know, start a small business. And she was comfortable. And when we started last year, the business has still been ongoing. It's picked up, and now even the young man changed his mind. I asked him, do you still want to be in? He said, no, I don't want to. They're fine. Now he's at peace. So that is just one of the several experiences. We are still on piloting stages. But to answer your question, we have started now looking at the family of our beneficiaries. I'm trying to figure out, is there a way we can empower them economically so that as we support this one person, the others, we are also growing together with them. So we have, I think, four families so far that we have already started, you know, some income generating projects for them. And we hope in future. We can now scale it up, subject to availability of funds. And again, also, depending on how we understand the whole situation. So, yes, we are trying. We are not there yet, but we are trying. That's good. At least you've thought about it. So I'm sure in the next couple of years, it will appear it has come to pass. And because of the four that we have started supporting, it is working out very well. And I'll give you an example of a young girl the end of second half this year. She had done so well. Actually, she's in Form 1. She had done so well, and she was the top candidate in the entire Form 1. She had a very strong, clean A. I think it's only one subject, English. She didn't score A, the rest. And this girl, like I've said, she reported to school very late. So, late in first term, I was able to settle. Then second term, now she's the one now who is leading everyone. So, I called her to the office and I told her, I want to reward you because I'm very, very proud of how you've been able to pick up very fast. So, tell me what kind of a present you would, I'm giving you that priority to tell me what you would like, preference. She told me, let me write a note. So, she left my office, went to a different office. She wrote a very beautiful letter. And she told me, eh... I am raised by a single mom. I don't get even to meet my mom because my mom works in a different county as a house help. For me and my siblings, we live with our grandmother. So I'm only asking if you could give me an opportunity to live together with my mom. Is it possible to start a small business for my mother? She left that note and sneaked out. So when I saw the note, I had to call my team, I called the girl. And we organized. So now we did a trip. The girl and one of our staff went to where the mom was, told the mom to start looking for ideas on what kind of a business. The mom cried, actually, because she was never expecting that. When they reported back to school, the mom started operating a shop. Now she moved from this job and started operating a shop. And Sele, I think we are now... Because every end of week, she has to submit her records on how the business is doing. In the first week, she was averaging 1,000 per day sales. The second week, she realized, apart from a shop, I think a grocery would do. So she added. So the sales again shifted from 1,000 to about 1,800. This week that has just ended, there is a day she did a sale of 2,500 in just a day. A day. So they have already now gone past 2,000. What now that tells me is that the prayer that this girl had for her mom, by the time she's coming for holidays, she'll find now her mother perhaps ametafuta ka nyumba mahali, ama tu mahali tu anaishi, na sasa anza kuishi na watoto wake. I think we've answered her prayer. True. So that is what we are trying to see, and it is bringing families together in a very beautiful way. I think all of them are beautiful, beautiful experiences. Because when you get to experience this, get to experience this. I remember, was it 2018? A Facebook friend called me. He told me, I would like to see you. So I gave him directions where I was. He told me, I'm coming to see you. So he came. Sasa, how could you pick it up? Facebook friend? Yeah. Who is this person? We used to know each other through Facebook. Okay. Our friendship is just that of Facebook. Okay. But that of you have conversations. So now he calls, he comes, and he comes with a young man. This young man, he even had slippers. And he told me, I have met this young man, and he found me. That guy was operating a shop. He found me in my shop. And he had an exercise book. He had a small exercise book. You remember those two niniyanyi, kadogo. Where, anachangisha pesa. So, ukiandika sele, uki mbatia 20 bob, anandika sele hapo 20 bob. Ndugonyoro, 10 bob, anandika hivo. So, he came to my shop. So, he asked me for pesa. Nikamuliza niya nini. Haka niambia, wengine walingia shule, na ia natamani kuenda shule, na haja weza kuingia form one. So the boy, now the guy asked the boy, so how much have you been able to raise so far? He said, in a day, I can even do 100 or 200. But when I get home, there's no food. So I don't have any. So the man saw that even if he raised him, the cycle repeats itself. That's why now he called me. He told me, I have brought this boy. Now you know what you are going to do with him. Now I know that story is over. Thank you, Mali. Yeah. Let me tell you, Sele. I had to get a quick fix. So, to cut this long story short, a young man reported to school in Western. He went for all the four years. He managed to go to campus. And as we are speaking, he is busy planning for his future. What? He was busy planning for his future. So those are some of the things that... And then also, the kind of feedback I get from today. Yeah, the feedback. The mentorship that we had for August, there's a mze from Kamusinga. Kamusinga, I think, is in Western. When he was told his granddaughter has gone to school, has managed, he asked, what is that? He said, he has been very helpful with my child. He has been very helpful with my child. So this mentorship, He sent butter. He put it on the bus. So the butter came and he took it from the canteen. From the canteen, I brought it to the place where I was. I said, hey, this is so-and-so's grandfather. He said, bless you, sir. So, you know, it makes the whole family very happy, knowing that they had reached their end. And now it's a whole different experience. Like you are their angel. We just thank God for that. That opportunity is able to... Turn around the entire family. They remain hopeful, knowing that we have reached the end and things have started to change. So now that there are those who have done class 8, waiting for next year, there are those who have no hope by the way. There is someone who knows that class 8 is the end. So Ebu, talk to that person. Even if it comes to an effect, even if it comes to you, maybe, I'm sure there are many people You use, like there are many Nyoros out there doing the same thing. One thing I tell my students, even the ones that are in our program, what they did is perhaps one of the first determination to us considering them for the scholarship. What is beyond you? You know for sure, there is no hope to go to high school. But don't be afraid to go because there is hope. What God has given you is a chance to study. Give your best. And let me tell you, at that point where you have done what you could have done, now God comes and does his part. He does his part. And it has happened. It may not be Ndungunyoro. It may not be this bank. But if you do your part, I can tell you for a fact, God will also do his part. So you don't have to say, I went to high school. Do what you can do. If you're in class, can you study? Can you focus? Do you have those teachers? Talk to them. Let them support you. Do your bit. And once you do that, let me tell you, an opportunity will always come. Sometimes it comes late. There's a young girl we met. Actually, somebody sent a Facebook message and told me of a girl from South Sudan who had come to study. She had passed so well, but she has not been able to go to school. And the auntie she's living with does not even understand Kiswahili. So she's just in the house. And when I was told it was towards the end of first term, I had to travel all the way to Nakuru. I met the girl. I just felt like, you know, she had done so much. Went to the school where she had received the invitation, a national school. Spoke to the principal, and the principal accepted. He said my daughter will enter second term. And, uh... That girl, second term, she got in. Towards the end of second term, she was awarded as the most improved student. Yet, in fact, I was told they were preparing to take her back to South Sudan because she can't stay there without education. And now she's now happily in class. And she calls me after every two weeks to update me. She did her part. If she had not done her part, maybe you could not even have known that she existed. So what are you usually telling people? When you get that opportunity, you do what is yours. What is beyond you, leave it to God. But at the same time, I feel sad. I feel sad. Again, don't think too much about your family. Because even if you do, there's nothing much you can do to them. In my own bit, it's not that bad. But if you work hard in life, some few years later, you'll get a nice job. You'll come back and start supporting them. Now when you are in whatever you are, you can only pray for them. Focus on building yourself. Focus on creating a good future for yourself. Then these are the things that will fall in place. I am truly grateful. I am so grateful. Especially, you are focused on what you have at the moment. In our country, you see people leaving school for class two. They don't have hope for high school. They don't have work. Yeah, I think so. Or they don't go to secondary school. Exactly, they don't go to secondary school, but they leave class two. So you don't even reach class eight, where you have a primary. Do that KZP, now say, That is it. That is it. So the best thing, Sele, focus on building yourself. Build yourself. And that's our problem as human beings. We worry too much. Even things that you cannot be able to do anything. You cannot. Yes. But we find ourselves worrying. Yeah, leave them. Thank you so much. Thank you so, so much. I feel like... You're doing such a good thing. You're doing such a good initiative. You're doing such... Last... Okay. This one I'm not supposed to say. Last year, there was someone, a very close person, who... Not even, I'll say, my mom told us, that person had a school fees. Then sometime this, when he went to school that time, January, his mother got that school fees. Like, he gave it to this person, he asked him to tell him what it was. Mm-hmm. So you see, we have angels everywhere. Like, we have good people doing the good job everywhere. It's like, a lot of people are struggling, but we also have good people like you who are doing this Lord's work every day. And my prayer to you guys is, may you never lack. Because I know, when you have children, a hundred and... 114. Me too, I only have 114. Oh, really? So to have 114, even you, it takes in a lot. So the people who are helping you, the people who are behind you, affected as a family, may you guys never lack. Amen. Yeah. You're doing a good job. Thank you. And I must appreciate that. Here we go, just really. So for us, it's just a platform to make sure that all of us are able to get these opportunities in life. And we are truly, truly grateful. Even to God for giving us that opportunity to serve. Well done. You're doing a good job. Thank you. And if you want to reach him, the details are here. Facebook, email, website. Yes. Reach out to them. And our office as well. Yeah. If there's someone in Kijijenu that you can help, please. Don't let the child go through. First, where you go through, don't let him go through. He's going to put all his strength there. Please reach out to him, the Affecto family, they will embrace him, they will accept him. Maybe you will have changed the life of someone. Just by connecting. Absolutely. Yeah. Now, I want to ask, after we all know social media, and you are not so bad. Do you have that one bad time experience with Facebook? I do have. The bad thing you encountered with Mkora? The bad thing, until you ask yourself, are you, is it true that God called you to this job? Because you feel you're at your lowest. What was it? I've never even had an opportunity to speak so much about it. But because you've asked, I'm going to share. It was in 2017. Somebody reached out to me and told me there's a patient who is very sick. And they have been trying to raise money for a whole year for her to be taken to India for treatment. And they have tried, Harambe is in charge, they have tried doing works, and they needed 8 million to take that patient to India for treatment. And it was quite sad. So I went, I visited the patient, I found her in a house where she had been put, and she was using some machines to breathe, And then that machine is connected. To power. In a house, in a house. Oh, so it's someone within Nairobi? Yes, yes, it was in Kasarani. Oh. And then, on the side, there's a generator. So I asked, what is this generator for? So they told me, the machine uses power. And the moment power goes off... Automatically. Then it means we might also lose the patient. So the generator has to be there at all times. Even when going to hospital, she has to use the generator. Ah. Yes, yes, yes, yes. So I asked about the documentation. I went through them, and I was convinced that we need to help this patient. And I did the story. Kenyans picked up the story. Within one week, we had 9.5 million Kenya shillings. 9.5 in a week? In a week. 9.5 million? Yes. But now that is where the problem started. Because I have met a sick person. I have met a family which is asking for help. But now we have raised the money. Then they say, now the work you have done, give us the money. Now we will take our sick person to the hospital. The money was being channelled to your... No, we had a pay bill. Where I was not even a signatory. It was the landlord, it was I think the mama and somebody else. But now when they went to withdraw the money, so they were asked whether I am aware. Then they were told he has a moral obligation of updating the people who contribute the money on how that money is being used. Now the Kenyans. Yes. So can you, first of all, have the courtesy of informing him? So they were told to take the money. And they were told, now you have to add him as one of the signatories. And they did. Then we went, we sat, and I asked them, what is the progress? They told me, we have a doctor, and the doctor knows where we're going. Because I'm asking them, which hospital are you going? The doctor knows where we're going. I told them now, for the sake of updating Kenyans, I need clarity. Can you bring the doctor here? We'll go to Kikau and we'll explain it. So we agreed to the following day. The same doctor, when he came, he said, I am not supposed to be asked questions. Mine, I'm only supposed to deal with the patient, and that is it. I told him, as long as I'm the one who mobilizes all resources, I have the right to know how this patient is being treated and where she's going to be treated. That's what I was given. So I called the hospital in Kenyatta. I told them I wanted to know more about this particular doctor. Sadly, he was not a registered doctor. So I came back to the family and I told them. Actually, they were telling me that the money should be transferred to his account. And yeah, I ended up reaching to India. So I told them, how do you know him? They didn't even know where he lived. They didn't even know that we were in the corridors of Kenyatta. So I told them, that is not going to happen. And what Kenyatta have said, even the documentation that you have, it has to go through the right channel. Even the referral to go to India and all that. So we started the entire process. So you started another process now with this patient? Yes, and that is where Selev, even with all this bad experience which I will share, I will never tell people that this lady was not sick. She never faked her illness. What I know, and before God, is that if this patient, we didn't step in at that time, the story could have been different today. We started, you know, you go, you visit the gynecologist, and they write a report. We moved to neurologist, and they write a report. So all those reports from all the doctors, specialists, is what was combined. And now we were able to be given a referral, approval from the ministry, and we were able to now look for a hospital in India where now we took this patient. So they were cooperating up to that point. Now the family, they were cooperating. We took the patient to India. When she went to India, see, you know, we're talking about 9.5 million. Treatment costs 1.5. Meaning this quack doctor that was there in the picture, this is what he would have pocketed. Because he was told it's 8 million. You see? So, we went and told him it's 1.5 million. So she was treated. But they said, every, after three, every three months, you come back to hospital. To India? India, for check-up. After every three months? Every three months, you come to India for check-up. So, when they came back, And... how they saw that they had used 1.5, they started to pay the money. Oh, no. Mm-hmm. Now, we will be living on rent. We need to buy land. A plot. We start to develop. I have been using a taxi. I need a small car to be taking me around. And they even negotiated. Even that land, they had even negotiated. When they came to me, We will transfer this money and then after those three months you're supposed to go back to India. Or in between an emergency happens. Will you go and tell Kenyans to start contributing money because you bought land with the money they gave you? I told them it cannot work. I'm just trying to answer that's the answer. That's the answer. She wants to go for the second trip. So we are asking her, how much do we facilitate you? Thank you. Thank you, Kusama. The patient now? Yes. So the patient was for, we buy land? Yes. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. When the patient, they were going to say, he wants to buy a small car. Oh, no. Yes. So they forgot about the disease. They started looking at other things. And here, I'm giving them a break. In fact, I told them, all this money is yours. By the day, the doctor will tell you, you no longer need to come to India. Even if you say that you are going to use the money that the doctor gave you, by the time you land in Kenya, that money will be transferred to your account, but he won't hear you. It will be back and forth, back and forth. So it will be back and forth, and I was so angry. I felt so bad because this is a patient who you found his condition as it is. This is a patient who you are leaving at 9 o'clock trying to make sure that You know, you have stopped doing everything else for her interest. Right now she's not moving the generator, she's not moving... Now when she went for the first visit, I think there's something they did. She was given a small gadget, which when she started to paint, she started to use it. So she was not now like full-time. And, uh... I wouldn't say that I have maintained contact after that, because whatever I went through that time, the pain I went through that time, my family, whatever pain they went through, I felt I didn't deserve, especially after the many sacrifices. And I had to stop even fundraising. And that is how now we have to focus even on setting up our organization where people will not be dealing with individuals, they'll be dealing with organizations. Mm. And, uh... And it was the most painful experience and I have never wanted a repeat of such. But now Kenyans, our guys are here and that is perhaps what I would plead with Kenyans. It's okay. Thank She may have made that one wrong decision, or her family may have made that one wrong decision at that time to demand money before she had recovered fully. But as much as we are pained by that, Let's not say that she faked her illness. you. She was sick. She was sick. And now she's okay. She's, like I've said, I cannot 100% say what is happening right now. Okay. But after we took her to India first and second, I think a lot of improvement had been noted. And she was not using the cylinder. She was not using, she was just having something, very small gadget that she could put in a handbag Where, when she feels that, you know, like. It's like an asthma attack. You feel like you're no longer able to push and be able to put it and be able to pace up. But the lady was sick. The lady was sick. Yes. To msamehe. Tuna eza samehea. Atta zisi, zile maza ambi tume fanyi. Ni mingi sana. Na unakuta kila siku, tunasamehe watu. Tunasamehe watu. Si, tusamehe ata. But I'm really sorry. On behalf of Kenya, I am really sorry. Yes, but I'm grateful. Because again, it helped me now learn how to deal with people. That even if somebody comes and they say they are needy, you need to see beyond that. Is it the needle that is making them very humble? Or if you give them power, they will be the snake that will give you venom. I am facing that problem a lot, DM. You receive complaints of someone who is sick. You tell them, me, I'll do my part. But to be outside, you can't confirm. Also, there are many. Yeah. Yeah. So, I am sorry. I am really sorry. That's what I'm saying. Beyond that, you are doing a good job. Let me tell you, Sele. Even with that bad experience, I have so many beautiful experiences that even in my lowest moment, they are like the ones that keep pushing me up, pushing me to another level. You know, you look at these today, like now the ones I've shared with you. Where they were, where they could have been, and now where they are. That is enough motivation. That you want to keep supporting somebody else. And another and another. Keep doing the good work. At least they fuel your soul. Those good things, those good things that you do, you wake up, you look for someone else, you help. And we are grateful. And we are very sorry. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. That's okay. I've never heard this before. Sorry. But I'll be more happy. If Kenyans could let the lady be herself. Mm-hmm. I'm smart, Jenny. I think to punish for too long. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you so much for coming to my show. It was a pleasure to have you here. Thank you. Yeah. Yes, and like I said, you're fun, number one. And I know even some who will watch here, they will also tell you that they are your fan and they also, they are the supporters of Watoto Wasome. So actually, your people, they are also the ones that have built this ministry. God bless you too. Thank you. May you never lack. Sure. Yeah. Asante sana. Good. Thank you so much, guys. See you next week. Bye bye.