UX Design: Our Favourite Apps (A Live Critique)

we are live and can you see us yes yeah oh my gosh that is so funny we've been live for about 30 seconds and had no idea welcome to this live stream we're using new software this is what happens sometimes I'm Brittany from AJ and smart thanks so much for joining us we are gonna do kind of a special thing today we're gonna actually look into a few of our favorite apps and I have senior product designers with me and we're gonna kind of critique them you know we're gonna talk about what we like about them what we don't like about them what we think they should do next what they definitely shouldn't do blah blah blah it's gonna be fabulous so I have Dee here hi dee is a product designer extraordinaire she is does all of our training she trains people around the world on design Sprint's and innovation stuff so a very big brain and then we also have Tim here and Tim yeah Tim is a product design director so he is running sprints with some of the biggest companies in the world so he's seen his fair share of products so before we dive in guys I would love to ask you a couple of questions so firstly how many apps do you guys both use on a daily basis or how many digital products I should say it's not a lot to be honest I mean I tried to turn my phone to this distraction-free iPhone thing that came up with and I mean the the number of apps I use every day it's probably I can probably count them on one hand like it's probably not more than four I would say yeah however that changes when a Sprint is coming up that when I have to do research on products I usually like download a lot of stuff and just like try it out yeah so then like at the end of the Sprint usually I get rid of it but sometimes some stuff actually sticks and then I keep using it on a day-to-day basis maybe it's like three to four that is not very many d it is it reminds many more but I think I'm actually also really maybe compared to the average using not so many apps but then you've if you've got an iPhone you've got this app called screen time where you can actually just see all the absolutely you've opened I'm like yeah me too but then I'm like wait I checked the weather in the morning I maybe used my public transport app to get a ticket to come to work or maybe I used I can see my scooter sharing app that I use I use Google Maps I use Foursquare I use Facebook to check an event this morning that someone invited me to whatsapp for messages Facebook messenger for messages so actually I thought I was and slack of course yeah so it must be something like 15 yeah 20 altogether that's a lot and my sleep timer as well that I check in the morning my sleep tracker so this is really interesting cuz I think you're on the heavy side my alarm clock when I turned it off in the morning it was using an F yeah that's true yeah but Tim's on the lighter side so this will be interesting if you guys have different perspectives on what you like look for in a product would you consider yourselves early adopters mm-hmm III think I I'm pre informed on things that happen but I am usually pretty hesitant to try out new stuff just for the sake of it it's it's a big commitment I think like very often you just need to invest time to get into something new and yeah I mean just by the nature of having to do research for Sprint's I would say I have to I have to be aware of new products coming out and I find them interesting it's just that my interest pretty much stops after I've learned what I needed to learn and then I kind of and I think I don't have a really broad like oh my gosh I have to try everything new but as soon as something's new like I'm thinking two years ago there was a new scooter sharing service in Berlin I was like right in there you jumped right in the beta version and then also this car sure sounds like I just drive everywhere don't this new car sharing where you can share other people's cars when long weekends when they don't use it oh good so I tried that and that was also just in their first so as soon as I hear something that's brand new like that I want to use I'm just straight in there okay cool and then really quickly how do you actually discover new products are you to be looking for them or do you hear about them from people or on websites or people I hear about the measles yeah not browsing often people in the Internet yeah yeah our offices yeah product is an affair Oh always knows the coolest like he's the first to know yeah when something cool happens a fatal basically they door and probably like tech news yeah Theodore and the birds do very well through team through the veg yeah okay cool all right so let's dive in then we're gonna actually look at some of Tim's favorite apps and some of Dee's favorite apps and kind of just talk through them and feel free to ask any questions you might have or comment on some things if you're like hey there's a way better app you should try this one whatever let us know yeah so what's your first app T okay so I've got some stuff to show I'm picking up the phone and I were out there were lots of things I tried to think of ones that I use all the time and really like but that's also super annoying yeah but I want to kind of talk about so I'm gonna start with Google Maps everyone well at least I most people I think use Google Maps also sure some kind of map to get around to find places for sure but there was this particular thing that I think they don't do very well and I wanted to talk about which is this kind of explore thing and especially if we look at say just restaurants and then you get okay you've got some like recommendations nearby you see ratings and stuff there but on this map view is what I really want to see like usually I'm on the street and someone's like oh let's go get some food or hey do you know what would cafe nearby yeah and I want to see on the map where things are so this now isn't actually telling me so much in fact I know this is where we are right now on this map I know there's a bunch of restaurants in between really good ones like ant on here this mommy there's the pasta there's all these places that aren't coming up why not I don't know also it's not actually giving me any information it's just saying red dot restaurant here not what kind of food oh the Reineke robots that's just like food here yeah yeah doesn't matter what it is so then in comparison I want to go to Foursquare which I use all the time and I'm always this is really uncourteous like first of all Tim do you use Foursquare I used to yeah is you used to I think that's nice stop using it a couple of years ago when they made that big split where they suddenly had to I think yes and Foursquare yeah and yeah I just didn't want to have like two apps for basically yeah I think so but I I kind of like stopped using it but I I actually agree that the stuff like sometimes when I'm going to a new place yeah traveling for work or something I actually download Foursquare again just yes I know that the recommendations on Foursquare actually way more interesting and relevant you don't wanna waste your time just trying to walk by a place and yeah it's not that good but now I've wasted my one thing people always like Dee and I were talking people always make fun of us we use at Foursquare I would be so curious if you guys want to say in the comments do you use Foursquare yep or do you actively hate it because literally just like this I can say I want to have lunch near me and I've got very clear ordered list showing with the coloring also showing me what are the most interesting places that I should look at first as opposed to Google Maps which has far fewer I don't know why and and there's no there's no information about which one might be the best one to look at first so with Google Maps I literally have to like tap here and look at this one and tap here and look at this one and tap here and look at this one and then with Foursquare I can just easily say oh look that's number one and it's right next to me so I'm gonna check that one out and and then I can see all these other ones so this was a really big point I just want to look at my notes now to check if there was something I really would like to say yeah I think it's interesting that for a company like Google that wants to you know like organize all the knowledge in the world to actually do a pretty bad job compared to Foursquare just on that alone it's interesting because I mean there's probably stuff that I would never go to 4-squared to that Google is really excellent at it's just that just because Foursquare is so focused on doing one thing really really really well and they're only doing that thing they actually can compete against Google and I think that's pretty pretty interesting is that other point I wanted to make was that at the Google big Google conference Google i/o just recently they announced this new thing where Google lense which is this kind of AI part of Google Maps I think I hope I got that right that um they have this new feature where you can be in a restaurant and you can kind of just scan or just hold your phone over the the menu and get all these photos and recommendations and tips and things of that restaurant from that society from oh it sounds really cool right yeah but then why aren't they putting energy into making the restaurant part of Google Maps actually worth using you know so that people use it and post photos and get ratings in and give raise so that was really curious to me I guess it's also because I mean Google is really good at like getting all the you know almost like data that can actually be collected by machines but when it comes to the enjoyment of a restaurant that's you can't just send a robot in the restaurant and that you actually would have to rely on users giving you that information yeah and I I mean I personally use Google Maps as a utility to get around yeah but I don't necessarily see it as a community thing where I actually enjoyed giving reviews on stuff yeah and and do you trust like I don't trust the Google reviews me too that's the other thing is that the Google Maps ratings of places are always way higher yeah and then Foursquare for example because I don't know why actually but I trust Foursquare so much more this is also cool like you can draw in Foursquare and say okay I just want to have dinner by the river hmm so show me the places by those comments yeah I don't use it that much yeah did you have anything else about Google Maps I don't know no not really I mean I think what Google Maps like I use Google Maps pretty often when I'm going to some place in the city I've never been before because Google Maps is really good at telling you the best and most efficient way to get there and I guess that's where Google is really really good because I mean they can you know like actually make the calculations and everything and with machine learning and all of that stuff it's actually really easy for them to give you that information quiet reliably and also like up-to-date so they will they would also also show you when like a train is coming late and yeah for that sort of stuff it's really really good yeah navigation exactly yeah but yeah I mean actually like looking at it like this side by side is actually it's actually quite impressive because I wasn't aware that it's that different that it makes that big a difference it's just so much information compared to yeah it's crazy yeah okay what's your the next one oh okay great sir there's kind of a little bit related in a way as well um everyone knows this app Airbnb it's great I was great there's no other competitor that I would ever at them really it's competing with it for me I'm going to use Airbnb every time I travel and need to stay somewhere yeah so generally amazing but what I wanted to point out was when you want to really choose a place there are some things that for me is it just missing but it makes it really a bit more annoying to have to pick pick the final place so for example if I want to go to the San Francisco with three friends or three colleagues yeah then I'm kind of doing this search actually we were saying already today that it's a little like okay so it looks like monkey he's a bit clunky now that seems to be a lot of newer stuff that make it harder to just go to show me the places I think it's this one and then I get this more kind of stuff and then I took me actually a while before to figure out that there's actually this little location pin at the bottom yeah the map which is what you want that's what I want yeah I want to see where the places are and pick my place yeah so now I've got this map of places but now what I do and I'd love to know if other people do this too every single time I'm gonna stay anywhere new I'm looking at all these places I've got my filtered search I'm like okay there's this one here there's this one here maybe this is one over here actually this is kind of a cool area maybe I want to stay there even though it's a bit further away so I'm thinking where do I want to be where do I need where I'm going to San Francisco for work we're going to work at a particular office space when we're there maybe it's like over on this side of town but these places might be not so nice to stay in and I love this area the Castro in San Francisco so how easy is it going to be for me to get from this place that I really like over to every day to this office where I need to work out so then I always usually maybe I'm actually on my laptop computer when I'm but it's exactly the same then I'm going back to my old Google Maps to say no I've gotta type this in to say San Francisco and then it kind of gives me hopefully or did before gave me the public transport and stuff or I would go okay where is this place that I really liked which one was that this one so I want to get to from like when of this a park - let's just say I'm going to this Transamerica Pyramid and I'm gonna work there so then I go into Google Maps and I type in like oh his place and how long does it take me to get over here what will that probably transport me like how long might it would take yeah oh no that's too much hassle okay so maybe I'm gonna pick one of these other places closer to to my location but then there's a second thing that I really want to do when I'm choosing the place as well and that is going back over to my old Foursquare and I don't want to stay in a place maybe it's close to the office but it's super boring area and there's gonna be any restaurants and cafes and places to go so then I'm looking for places in San Francisco okay no I don't want to stay in that area because there's no no maybe I need to search again there's no cool places maybe I want to stay somewhere over here so then I'm going back so basically my point is what I would love is if a B&B would somehow put this like show me that show me that where the cafes are show me where the restaurants are showing weather so anyway so my question there would be I wonder if that is like a you know the superuser right is that is that the usual that people are really looking for things it's like full with restaurants and it's close to this one specific spot or is that because we are yeah special you know I think my hunch is that this is probably really relevant for business like people who are traveling for business because usually like like I would do research before I go on a vacation and already know okay I want to see this and this and this and this is cool area but especially just going for one or two days yeah you don't have a lot of time so maybe you just want to maximize the free time you have by finding like the cool spots that are still close to wherever you were working and I think that could be such a cool factor you just have like okay you want to be here but if you stay here you get there just as fast with I don't know the light rail or something yeah and there's like a lot more stuff happening there there will be so great for business trips yeah it could be also like sometimes you travel to visit a friend and you might be stay and you want to get somewhere that's easy to get to your mouse place but yeah I think you're right it's more for business travelers but I can imagine completely that it was it was several years ago now that Airbnb did make some changes to accommodate business travelers like like group bookings that someone else book and other people can so this seems like another like a big big market for them a big potential solution yeah that to make it super strong for me good but then they already have the market as well so I don't know if it's worth but everybody is getting more and more expensive as well so I feel like more it is becoming a little bit more geared towards the business traveler yeah you know it isn't really for a budget traveler and yeah so many extra fees and actually the prices are quite high yeah like there they used to be much more affordable I feel like but they don't really kind of shifted yeah that's interesting could you the whole thing's bit more premium they've got these premium experiences and they've got this I got plus premium kind of homes and stuff now yeah exactly super interesting quick before we transition to tins apps we've been told in the comments that Yelp is yeah it's something that you know I mean obviously we all know about Yelp and apparently there's an AR feature of some sort I don't know yeah it sounds cool right what's the night like like you can hold it I know films said Yelp used to have an O used to have an era future okay well yeah anymore I find Yelp just like using it I just find it kind of ugly and it makes me sad like you know what a product is just like visually you're not nice money it actually hurts me from using it yeah you know um yeah we're supposed to apologize yeah sorry about the audio issue everybody Callum's really sorry and so are we because we're it's still going is this visit notice okay cool yeah sorry that there was the audio issue that's really sad but anyway that's why I don't use Yelp I don't know about you guys yeah yeah Foursquare for me has just always been actually sorry yeah it just feels nicer to use everything seems to be a bit more laid out in the way that the things I usually want to see first is yeah is there yeah yeah cool all right Tim shall we switch the cable oh we're splitting the cable okay we'll see the switch high tech high tech stuff okay cool so the first thing I want to talk about it's a really small but yeah anyway so I have to schedule calls with people from different time zones all all the time and it's quite annoying especially when you're talking to someone and you actually have like like a distribute a team of people who are not just in another time zone but they're actually like dispersed across different time zone so you might have like like we had a couple of weeks ago you might have one guy from San Francisco one guy from Portugal and then another guy from New York and then you have us and Berlin so when you're talking to them to find like the perfect time when you can have like a catch up with them the the issue is that with like normal you know like a like a table - with like what is it like the world times where is it usually called yeah yeah exactly so that's that's usually you you have to do like some calculations in your head if you're trying to juggle things around especially if some person says actually I can only do it like half an hour later and then suddenly you're back to square one so one thing that I so this is it this is pretty much what this usually looks like you just have the current time and the time in another time zone but if I wanted to like quickly you know like check out like what is actually the time like let's say we want to have a call 9:00 in the evening here so it's maybe in the morning for those guys is that still okay for the person in San Francisco so that's going to be very tricky but then I found an app called Miranda and it's pretty it's a pretty well designed app I mean what I really like about this is you can just like quickly add a new location here so you can see that I already have San Francisco Boulder Colorado and New York in here and what I really like about this is that you have this wheel here on the side where you can just change the time and then I can quickly see okay so 9:00 in the morning for us it's going to be 1 a.m. and Boulder so that's not going to work out for them so let's just like it's just really nice having it having it like side side by side like that and it's a really small utility but I have used it so often already and it's yeah it's just executed very nicely for such a small app I think I'm all I'm always amazed when you know like one developer is creating something that is so useful and and they actually put so much thought and care into it it's just a joy to use I think I mean there are so many little details that I really love about this yeah and so that's one thing I actually use weirdly often I mean okay like it doesn't have happen too often that we have like people from different time zones and you know like we have this where we have these like scheduling conflicts but when it happens then I'm so I'm so happy to have this on my phone it's super interesting because like in terms of my people are downloading less and less apps these days right like that's it's harder and harder to get someone to actually download an app but would you say that if like let's say you were to create an app of Simon product um would you maybe gear more to it because this seems like it's not something that's gonna be like widespread it's not gonna go it's not gonna be on everybody's phones like what's the there's no real maybe growth strategy for him but maybe that's a really good thing like doing something super specific for a very small group of people could be kind of the way to go yeah is this paid as well did you guys think I paid for it I'm not entirely sure if it was like freemium I mean I I always I prefer to pay like I hate having ads in my house so what what the free and premium features would be yeah I mean in this case I think in this case I'm not entirely sure I don't remember I don't remember if it was like free completely free or if I paid for it but I I think they might have had ads in there maybe in the beginning but maybe I'm mixing it up with another not entirely sure but honestly for for an app like that I would also just gladly pay I mean I find that usually I would rather I mean when I see an app that is coming from a small developer and it's paid then I immediately somehow trust it more and I assume that okay this is a person who takes that product really seriously they are asking money for it so I can assume that they're also keep developing it and you know like adding like maybe you know supporting the product being available for you know answering questions and in this case I think it's definitely worth it especially I mean the the prices in the App Store are not going to you know break the bank exactly I mean there are a couple of apps and I'm going to show that are actually quite expensive for something on the App Store but I think yeah I don't know I I just trust like paid apps way more and yeah really good question on this kind of like niche market thing i mean i i i think i agree i mean if you're a smaller you know product company or even just like solo developer i think just finding something you know like some niche that is kind of like underserved by by by other bigger players and just making the perfect product for that space is probably the way to go especially with something like a like a time conversion tool it's i think this is probably something that's quite easy to develop like just it's not going to you know i mean it's not reinventing the wheel like this app is not doing anything that couldn't be done just by like calculating stuff and yeah in your head but it's just um you know geared towards a use case that i think a lot of other of these tools are ignoring so i think that was some like the person who developed this had a really nice idea i think he executed anytime like if you've just sent once an email to a client or someone with the wrong time calculation that's enough to be i'm gonna feel something that yeah and i mean they're like these cool details like i'd say let's say I mean I don't know like it's such a cool thing to see like somebody like even like having so much like pride about like what they're putting out there instead of just you know a cash grab or something like that yeah this thing about this that is kind of cool is that it's such a a lot of people would think about that and be like oh it's such a small yeah you know but it's a really painful yeah yes small and it happens like rarely but it's such a pain that it's actually worth having this app on your going yeah it's really cool yeah okay what's your next product let's see next one I want to talk about is notion so I should um I know Britain you're using this too I think I mean I should mention that usually I'm using this on my desktop I mean it's it's not the app I would like the primary use case I think is not like doing it from your phone but I think it's still really really useful to have this so if you haven't heard about notion its how would you describe it I mean it's doing everything it's like I would say mostly it's like an organization yeah tool but for everything exactly it's it's like if you if you somehow combined a database tool with a to-do app yeah and yeah exactly like and that sounds super horrible like that could easily be the the most complicated overall tool imaginable but you call it a project management yeah yeah I mean you can you can definitely use it for that I mean I think that's probably like the most likely use case but what I really like about this is that it's extremely flexible and so you can customize it to your own needs it can be as lean or as complicated as you need it to be yeah and it's also allowing you to quickly create exactly what you need and have other people use it at the same time so one thing that you can do for example is let's let's let's see what's in here so you're starting off with kind of like an empty you know like an empty slate and then you can just like turn it into whatever you want to do so let's just say this is called yeah okay live stream and yeah want to turn this into like a page I can and then I can just add stuff here just it's it's like you can create this it's almost like a sandbox where you can create exactly what you need and you can kind of like nest different elements within each other which is really cool and it's all drag-and-drop like it's super easy to do it's not like this tedious process where you have to you know like use building blocks and I mean I pretty much started using this as the CMS for my personal website because my personal website is super small I don't really need it anyway and I used to run it on WordPress which is already pretty simple I would say but this is even easier and you can just you've made a page that's like your website and you're just directing people to that yeah exactly I mean you can't just get the URL for whatever you create and in my case I just put like I just forwarded my personal email URL to that thing yeah and it's so much easier for me to update things it's I don't know why doing like front-end Noah dari there's basically no separation between front-end and back-end I mean everything at like if I invited you to this page you would see exactly what I was working about yeah I mean this is actually maybe the the one shortcoming that I see that you know dealing with permissions is a bit I mean that that feels still a little bit weak to me I mean this is something that maybe like a tool like Jireh would probably do a bit better like this is probably more for you know like power users from bigger you know like from bigger teams actually have to manage permissions like on a very granular level so if I create it like let's actually take a look at [Music] yeah anyway I can invite people to this but I can't really tell them what they can like for example I media like the idea for the Kanban for example is that people can only pretty much add stuff to this thing here but I can't actually define that anywhere so either I just give them permission to just view it or edit it completely and I mean maybe but I mean I'm quite new to this tool as well so maybe I just didn't find that function yet but honestly this like this product pretty much turned into like I'm using the this for everything like your to-do lists yeah yeah for how long you're like I have I even like everything like I don't use my notes anymore no it's a plea I just use notion because you can put a note inside of a like you can have like a project and then put a note inside of there and then have other things and everything's in the same place yeah and it's just like one tool for everything what about I have a question because I've used like JIRA and confluence and these other wiki tools and we're using a different one now here a Jane smart for a kind of internal documentation yeah this what's the problem called where things don't get things get out of date quickly and then you have this bloat of information you know not sure which is up-to-date and which is not you know maybe you've just started using it too recently how long have you been using it but I've only started using it like like seriously like maybe for like four weeks yeah just like actually that that was actually something that Fedor found for me for a sprint as a lightning demo oh yeah so then I started like trying things out and then I was like oh this actually I think you can also like upload figma files in it you can you can embed YouTube videos or videos from yeah the other one Vimeo and it's just like it's so that's the one thing that I think a lot of people are talking about is maybe it's too robust but if you figure out a way to use it that works for you I think that that's it's pretty there's nothing really better out can't ask another question do we have time are we going okay yeah how like now with you you guys telling you about this I'm thinking maybe I should just never use Google Docs ever again maybe this will be my new thing what would be it would there be anything missing if I would just okay yeah one of our clients actually used notion exclusively like they only use notion for everything like that tons of documents in there I could actually see people going through the documents and typing stuff up so it is very similar to Google Docs in that regard you can embed YouTube YouTube videos inside of Google can you and figma files spreadsheet definitely not what about what's have you ever used Evernote either of you guys know yeah I tried I tried to get into a couple of years ago but I somehow could never yeah I don't know it was I don't know why because I know people who love and love it and they you know they're such big fans but somehow I've never really struck a chord with her yeah no idea why because I know it's a really cool product that's it's yeah it just feels like almost like a little bit too heavy for some reason for just simple you know like you know like collecting these these scraps of things that you needed later need to use again it just feels somehow a little bit too like it's too powerful because usually when I need to take notes I'll just actually like write it down on a post-it and if I need to keep it for some reason I'll take a photo of it and then I use simple note shout out if anyone else does it's the simplest note-taking thing if you're kidding D oh my god it's just like everything that like you just said team if there's a thought it just goes in there and it never gets bloated because it just it just Scrolls it like I keep adding new notes and they just they just disappear from my mind after I don't need them anymore but as soon as I think oh what was that shopping thing that I need for our shop the arts there and it's just has the most powerful search and the sink list interface that's cool I've used it for years now I don't know how many get seven years well no I just asked in the comments if anybody uses it so we'll see simple note yeah there might be okay Tim next up cool next up is a camera app called halite this is again a case where a very small team created something that is so incredibly polished and nice so hey light I don't know if you've heard of it it's it's essentially giving your phone almost the powers of a digital SLR make it put it on something more interesting I mean I don't know like if you were if you were like me you'll use your phone as a camera almost every day I mean I used to be pretty big into photography like with like actual cameras and yeah so but since I had since I got my first iPhone I'm actually using my iPhone way more just because I have it on me all the time and the camera is actually really really good for just the pointed shoot and the one thing that is maybe a bit annoying with the iPhone is that the camera is almost doing a little bit too much for you so the the photos will always be okay but especially when you were like shooting and like difficult light situations like it's a nice you know like the Sun is going down the sky looks really awesome you just can't capture it because the the camera will kind of like almost yeah will kind of just like not get what you actually want to shoot so the nice thing about halide is that it gives you yeah essentially camera control so you can actually like change the focus of the lens which is something that you that the normal iPhone camera like the in camera doesn't do you can also show that it can like yeah yeah yeah like it uses own camera but it yeah yeah I think it's even more powerful on the iPhone 10 just because the camera is even even better than on this one but oh yeah yeah so again this is a really very thoughtful interface it does a lot of things but it's somehow very like like I can't even focus on that much so it's really great so another thing that I can do is I can actually export photos as a raw file so instead of a JPEG that's actually makes a pretty big difference because in the end if you guys don't know if you are shooting with the normal iPhone camera it's you usually just saved as a JPEG or some weird new format anyway yeah something like that in any case when you try to edit the photos later on your computer you can't really do too much with it because a lot of information got lost so here you can actually save photos as a raw file just as if you took it from a digital SLR and you can do a lot more stuff with it in the end and you can actually fix a lot of problems later on on your computer when you're editing and I think like there's so many nice little floors as well yeah flourishes okay okay let's see actually let me just try okay this and so you can so you can see here that actually the light is like it's what is that like blown out here just because it's too bright outside this is now something that I could actually fix in Photoshop way easier but yeah and one thing I want to I want to show you guys is that okay so this is I mean there's so many photo apps right now so many of them how did you find this one and why did you write this one was actually recommended to me by our colleague Armour uses it all the time he's also taking a lot of photos with the phone and I mean yeah I don't know they're also doing a really good job I think presenting how they present themselves because again this is actually an example of a very niche product that is doing one thing that no other product is doing and doing it really really really well and there is a lot of like polish and thought like they carry they put into this app as well I think the price is premium for for an iPhone app I think it's something like $6.99 or something so that's actually extremely expensive yeah but easily this is again one of these cases where I would rather pay to support developers who really care who put a lot of work into that and also use that money to put put out more interesting products as well so because some people like I think most people in the app store would never pay $6.99 for that but like no I'm talking about most people but then if you think about the kinds of people that are gonna want to use that kind of product yeah they would pay and I think that's the difference yeah like yeah it depends on where your products do yeah I think you can actually make them a lot of money from people who are interested in a niche product because they would I don't know let's say I came up with the best app for people who are into fly-fishing or something like that yeah no but I mean if because what these people need is so specific that if you if you are familiar with that market and you can create something that is perfect for these people if you ask them to pay five $5.00 for an app like that I think if it's useful for them they will do that way more likely than if you try to create you know like a new flappy bird clone and then you're trying to make money by putting ads in it I mean that's that's also I guess about its strategy but it yeah I mean I think the difference is that on the one hand you have users who actually care about what you created they paid money for it and they will actually become this really engaged community so they will also tell you what they want next and on the other hand you have like this very kind of like yeah cheap and easy cash grab where you're just like hoping that one of these like little things somehow sticks and maybe becomes like this viral hit or something like flappy bird but yeah I mean where is flappy bird now like I mean I think the guy got really rich from it so yeah physical like discovering or fight this this whole problem of maybe you want a phone better camera app for your phone maybe you you really want a solution to a problem but there's so many apps how do you know where to start or do you ask people do you just like go through the top list on the App Store's there's this great science that maybe a lot of people know I think use it as well but it's more for physical products like when I wanted to buy new headphones I look there when I wanted to buy new hair straightener I look at the wire cutter yeah yeah all the time I don't know if it has digital products as well they'll be very easy it's great yeah they have they have ax - fantastic I gotta go to remind myself to go back there but if really if you just need like a toaster or in the home like a home audio system they've just reviewed all of the top ones and really used them not just reviewed them on the surface but really use them for like three months reviewed them and rated them and during your big break down of okay so it's not it's not a community no no like people for the price and this is number one for the cheap options and stuff like that fantastic yeah that is really great I think they've got a by the New York Times okay quick question for you Tim about that product which does cut what is it called again hey light hey light can you do it for video because it for video as well is it just photos no it's again the second question is when it comes to like saving RAW files on your phone oh is that from memory yeah it's pretty bad so so the the way they market this app is also interesting I mean they're saying this is for people who are interested in photography so it's it's definitely not something you would do for just a quick snapshot of you know like something you were actually remember yeah it's more if you see something really nice and you actually want to do something with it later then you would use that because it's it's true RAW files are really gigantic compared to JPEG so yeah like when I started using halide I went a bit overboard and then like after one day my phone's memory was completely packed with photos so yeah it's it's something you have to be aware of for sure yeah okay do you want to look at zero I do we have time I mean we definitely been going for a 45 minutes we'll save a few apps for next yeah I think that's important but thank you guys so much whoever watched it seemed like they were quite a few people popping in and out obviously this is all if you missed the first part it's going to be available online afterwards and thanks for all your comments and questions and thanks D and Tim thanks bringing you and if you guys liked this kind of video this kind of live stream where we're actually looking at products talking about them let us know because then we'll keep doing it if it's something that you're interested in cool thanks [Music] ah [Music]