We Need an Educational Revolution in America with Jill Simonian | Real Talk

[Music] today we did something a little different on real talk my colleague from prageru kids Jill simonian interviewed me I welcome you to listen in as we discuss my educational philosophy after 20 years of studying America's school system I talk about what is at the root of its problems we need an educational Revolution [Music] I'm very excited for this conversation today I have learned a lot from you everyone knows you as the CEO of prageru we all know that you have children three young children but I think one of the things that we sometimes casually forget around here is that you actually started as an educator and I've sat in your office and gotten all sorts of Knowledge from you about the state of the education system and what schools are doing now and I'm really excited to share this with everyone because you were in the trenches and you've been there done that and you've seen the change and I'm curious if you can maybe describe a little bit about your education to become an educator and how you've seen the system change first of all thanks for this opportunity I love speaking about education specifically America's education it's where my passion is it's why I do prayer you um you're right I did start as an educator my whole journey my whole career started as a teacher I became a headmistress of a school I taught every grade Kinder through seventh but really my journey into the flawed education system that we're seeing in America has begun done when I was getting my Master's in education and that was when I really noticed that there was an ideology that was really embedded into America's education system that simply just didn't make sense to me it didn't seem to uphold the values of americanism it didn't seem to uphold the values of the things that I learned at home when it came to learning and teaching and I think the biggest part for me going through educate the education system and getting my Master's in education was that I wanted to know what are the basics that a child should learn in order to be successful and every time I searched for it I didn't really get clear answers and I don't know that other teachers who are listening into this conversation feel any differently do you leave getting a master's in education or a credential feeling like you really know what a child should learn every single year do you really know what would mean that you have done a good job for your classroom or for your students I think much of it is it was kind of this open-ended fluff to me and you know theories like John Dewey's Theory and this child-based education where the child is the driver of of what's being taught in schools kind of frustrated me even when I was still in my 20s wow and I heard you tell a story that I want you to repeat here in your 20s when you were getting your education you got into a an argument allegedly with one of your professors about John Dewey well describe it's very difficult of me to get into trouble because I had never seen myself as a sheep like person right and so when somebody came to me with a fit a complete kind of statement I would always challenge that because I think that by challenging ideas you either agree with the idea ultimately and then you feel stronger about them or you actually develop a second thought or a different thought and you feel strong about those ideas and so I wanted to really you know I was one of those students who didn't want to just get that paper degree I wanted to really understand what I believe in and what I should then bring into the classroom and ultimately when I was ahead of a school I wanted to really know what I what I stood for um and so I I remember having an argument what with My Philosophy professor in ed school and the argument was about John Dewey's philosophy of education which is a child-centered education and this idea that you know the child is curious and ultimately if we rely on the child's nature to lead us teachers in the direction that would you know bring them curiosity ultimately they'll learn whatever it is that they need to learn and they won't resent learning because it will be more fun for them it will be Project based it would be exciting and you know through this curiosity they will end up learning more and remembering more and that was really the philosophy this Progressive philosophy that was I want to use the word sold on us but I mean it's sold on US is an understatement right it was this is how it needs to be done and then there's this other guy who had a completely different perspective his name is Edie Hirsch and Edie Hirsch is basically this old school education philosopher who got it totally wrong and we should learn about him so we know what not to do that was basically how it was laid out in my class and I would venture to Guess that most folks that are going through ed school have experienced a similar sentiment Because the actual textbooks basically outlined it like that and so you know you would imagine I'm reading this the philosophy of John Dewey and then I'm reading the philosophy of Edie Hirsch and it wasn't just because it was controversial that I wanted to learn more about Edie Hirsch though maybe in my 20s but no it actually resonated with me what Edie Hirsch said Edie or said that you know every single grade there is a certain knowledge base that a child should learn and I actually remember ordering these books where every kindergartner should learn this every first grader should learn this and I found that to be incredibly helpful and so I started diving down this philosophy that Edie Hirsch was basically teaching and I went back to my professor and I was pretty strong about it I said I actually don't understand you expect the six-year-old or the seven-year-old to decide what ought to be taught in class how do they even have the knowledge to even come up with what needs to be taught in class it just it just didn't make sense to me it actually didn't make sense to me as a human being myself you know you know my background I was born in the United States but then I was raised in Israel and so I got the knowledge base from Israeli schools and then when it came back to the United States around 20 years old there was a piece of knowledge that I felt was missing because I didn't go to school here I didn't go to grade school here and so I wanted to know what that was and I kept calling it the latter what is the latter I want to climb up that ladder I want to know what needs to be known if you live in the United States I wanted to have that Cultural Literacy that is that is basically what Edie Hirsch calls it Cultural Literacy I wanted to know it because I felt that even though I was in American I felt that there must be some body of knowledge that is missing for me right in order to be a productive citizen in order to be a successful human being in this in this society and I was searching for it and when I was in an education school I thought well maybe I would find it there you would think that an educator would have access to what is supposed to be this Cultural Literacy thing what I kept calling the latter how does an immigrant know how to climb up the literacy ladder in the United States if the latter is hidden I kept asking that question where is the ladder and then when I landed on Edie Hirsch's books that to me was the latter but they were telling you that that was wrong they were telling me that it was wrong that it's old school way of teaching you know we let go of it since the 1950s and you know really a child is not going to enjoy learning this way because they're going to be disinterested in it given that they didn't come up with it uh and and you know I I disagreed with that as a mom that does seem very dysfunctional to me to let like you say a four-year-old a five-year-old a six-year-old lead what they're going to learn because they don't they they don't have any knowledge and what we're seeing in schools now and I imagine that you've seen this as well what I've experienced at our former School our former public school there was this concept of the whole child they kept they kept referring to children as we take the whole child approach we take the child-centered approach and they have really neglected to teach the basic skills of you know like memorizing classic poems memorizing math facts I mean tell me tell me what has happened that you've seen yeah I I think what would be helpful to really understand is is parents might find this very surprising but there isn't a specific curriculum that is given to a school and so the state does not actually write a specific curriculum it's very brushed strokes and this School generally may not even have a specific curriculum and so that is very brush strokes and so you hire these 20 something year olds and obviously you know there are teachers that are older ultimately you hire teachers and you give them this very open-ended not knowledge-based curriculum it's it supposedly skills based and so you know they're supposed to think critically and all of these different fancy words and essentially if you think about taking a classroom from kindergarten through eighth grade but not having an actual knowledge-based ladder as I call it every year a new teacher comes in and they have to basically almost guess what the different individuals in their classroom had learned last year and so you can't build upon a knowledge you're supposed to build upon a skill but the skills can't be really learned without having a knowledge and so I'll give you an example let's say you're teaching music now this is a this is an example that Edie Hirsch talks about in in this book which I highly recommend I know it has changed changed the lives of many people that have come to work here because I handed it to I hand it to every educator that that works with us and so the the example that Edie Hirsch talks about is let's say we were talking about music and you believe that a child has the ability to create incredible music they would be an amazing musician okay how can they even write this creative music without First Learning the basics you know how do you read the music what do we consider good music to be if they don't listen to other types of music how are they going to compose brilliant new music and so essentially we're doing the same thing with our education system if we don't believe that there are any basic knowledge skills that kids need to go through from year to year how will they excel at anything how do you think critically about something that you have no basic knowledge in right and so there's been such a focus on these fluffy words I just call them fluffy fluffy fluff Fords because they sound really good you know like social emotional learning and critical thinking and I'm not saying the critical thinking is not important but if you have no knowledge and nothing to compare it to what are you even going to think critically about right and so you have to have some Basic Instinct that is developed on based on two things how do you develop an instinct you have the knowledge and then you have the experience you have knowledge and experience combined that gives you Instinct instinct is part of what leads to better critical thinking but we're not giving them again this ladder and that is part of the problem so you have teachers who basically receive this brush Strokes curriculum and based on that they're supposed to create an opportunity for the child to think critically but it doesn't work I mean we're seeing that it doesn't work they've been moving in this Progressive education moving away from having specific standards specific knowledge-based Cultural Literacy they've been moving in this direction for many many years and even though America is investing more and more dollars into the education system our actual system is going downhill and so the child centered education is kind of the John Dewey Progressive approach where you would kind of really go with what the child is curious about and is interested in and that while while the the teacher is a chaperone is not necessarily preaching the class and right is like they do they want the teachers to be preachers then there's the knowledge-based education where you have a specific body of knowledge that is delineated based on a specific amount of time where a child needs to learn whatever it is that is decided upon before even entering into the classroom right and so the teacher's job is to actually be a sage on the stage right it's like they don't want the stage on the stage but the knowledge-based educator is a sage on the stage and so the knowledge-based education is really interesting um and there are many areas actually where knowledge-based education has proven to be very effective I'll give you a personal example with my own children oftentimes when I would send them to school before I put them in a knowledge-based curriculum and knowledge-based curriculum interestingly enough is the way Jews actually teach Judaism Orthodox Judaism uses a knowledge-based curriculum to teach basically the Torah the Bible and the talmud and all of the things that we're supposed to teach and I don't know if they actually use this phraseology but when I'm watching how the curriculum is delineated and written up for the Jewish schools or specifically Orthodox schools let me just add that I actually said to myself wow that is actually a knowledge-based curriculum they are supposed to learn these verses and this kind of information and then once they learn the knowledge they're then applying the critical thinking based on the knowledge that is being taught there and so personal example I would send them to not knowledge-based schools and I would pick the kids up what did you learn today nothing right nothing you didn't learn anything nothing I mean I'm sure there are a lot of parents listening to this conversation who can totally relate to this like really you were there for eight hours and I spent twenty or thirty thousand dollars in the school and you learned nothing how is that even possible right and then I started sending them to a more knowledge-based curriculum School and I noticed that with the Jewish studies what did you learn today and they would specifically tell me what they learned today today we learned that Moses you know he had you know went against the Pharaoh and said let my people go et cetera et cetera right there was a specific story and by the way their other friends learned the same thing even though they were in the other classroom and they were also and then my son said to my daughter oh I remember learning this last year right and so they picked up on that on that knowledge can you think critically about that knowledge of course right but my point is you can still achieve all of the critical thinking and all of these things that supposedly the child centers class centered classroom is supposed to achieve you can actually achieve it better in a knowledge-based education because you then get both the knowledge and the opportunity to think about it critically where with the child-centered classroom you don't have either one of those opportunities and so I think it's really fascinating to look at you know Orthodox Jewish curriculum and how it is it's very intentional in what is being taught uh you it's a there is a ladder you know what you're going to learn every single year and you build upon it and it is almost no wonder that the Jews have been able to preserve this body of knowledge because of this knowledge-based education right there is a very clear understanding of what you're supposed to learn you know the stories you know the rules you know the laws you know the characters and you know that you're going to learn it every single year and you know you're going to build upon it and so I think it's just it's a brilliant way to educate and there's so much to learn from it and given that it's been done for for so many years it's it's it's worth paying attention to and I know that there are many Christian Schools who do a similar thing and when you send your kids to to a school and oftentimes you ask them what have you learned nothing you send them to Sunday school what did you learn they still they tell you everything right they know the stories and then they meet another person from another state and they know that story too and that creates fibers and connections and and fellowship and you know a big part of this Cultural Literacy that we need to have across the board not just in Bible studies we need to have it for for other disciplines as well we've recently seen an abandonment of the classics kids are not being taught Shakespeare anymore because Shakespeare is an old white guy who's seen as irrelevant from the woke left they're not being taught about the Greek philosophers they're not being taught about uh Greek mythology all of these stories a lot of the new teachers now say well those are irrelevant they're old-fashioned but we've seen the decline in the I want to say the quality of knowledge that students are learning why are those Classics still important well I mean I think the classics are important because if you don't understand how Western Civilization has been built then you don't understand America today how are you going to appreciate Civics and the system that America is built upon if you don't understand uh the history of the kings and queens in Europe and monarchy and why you know why we came here to begin with right and why we built the system as we have built and there is a reason why teaching uh and learning about Western Civilization helps better understand why what has happened today works right and so we are basically a nation with amnesia we don't understand where we came from and so it's no wonder why we don't know what what goal that we have in our hands right now with this country and certainly we don't understand where we're headed because everything is mush but the other thing is there's a trojan horse in in our system and that is social emotional learning or these terms language arts language arts used to be reading writing and literacy and within literacy there were specific bodies of r art that children were supposed to learn and oftentimes even memorize right it wasn't because it was just fun and they enjoyed it and whatever it was part of the system those are the notes that the musicians needed to learn in order to later on create this beautiful body of art right and it's the same thing with social emotional learning it is so vague what is it really nobody really it's a trojan horse and so 10 years ago social emotional learning was something 10 years later today it's woke ideology it's critical race Theory it's you know uh Equity it's all of the stuff that we don't want to see in there but we've allowed the system to have this trojan horse that really takes on hours of our students time and basically teaches something that is not measurable they're not accountable for and is ever evolving and and so we can't even catch it look why can't we have a system where the parent knows in advance what their child is going to learn for the rest of the month and at the end of the month we receive some sort of checklist of what has actually been taught and if I move my child from one school to another or if I have if the teacher switches the teacher knows what is expected of a child to learn in kindergarten second grade fourth grade sixth grade Etc there are some people that will say if you have a I'm just going to call it centralized curriculum then that the government is implementing in all schools across you know every single community in the country uh that that that's going to give a one-sided power and you're going to I want to say indoctrinate kids with like a one-sided perspective what is your response to that I understand people being afraid of some authoritarianism in in if there is you know a cabal that writes curriculum I mean we see that already with the teachers unions and so it's not that we don't have that only now they get to do that in the dark without with us being in the dark without knowing what's going to happen uh and there's of course a risk to every system but in my opinion if there is transparency in the curriculum that is written and we are able to hold the people who write it accountable they would be elected officials that hopefully without cheating we can actually uh vote for them but you know at the very least if we have some transparency then we can hold those elected officials accountable for a curriculum that is written and we would be aware of what is happening there isn't going to be a system that deals with millions of people that is going to be absolutely perfect there's always going to be room for some sort of criticism but if you look at the 1950s when there was a knowledge-based education system where kids did go and memorize the Pledge of Allegiance or you know the the great poetry right the state the presidents uh and and all of that body of knowledge was actually provided to these children I don't think that the the case was that there was great authoritarianism in education I think what we saw in the 1950s is that people actually just learned more and knew more and I think that if you learn more and you know more then you're less likely to have this group think and you know the other issue that we're dealing with when there isn't a Cultural Literacy is the lack of nationalism that it's creating right we don't have things in common anymore with with our next door neighbor and and we're having a hard time having conversations with people because while we do speak English and we speak the same language we don't have the same Cultural Literacy we don't speak the same nationalism right and so we don't feel connected how do you feel connected with someone when you have something important shared history correct you have a shared history you have some sort of shared commonality Beyond just the spoken word and that used to be what the schools did for us in America they used to be a v a great vehicle for the Melting Pot versus what right now is celebrated is some fruit salad where it's like okay we're all here but you know you can be a banana and I can be an apple and we can just never interact but both live in America no wonder we can't really get along and I think that by having Cultural Literacy By actually teaching a knowledge base that you know really is celebrating uh basic patriotism will actually bring all of us closer and make us like one another a little more which seems to be the opposite direction of where America is headed and it is quite a dangerous Direction it is a dangerous Direction and that is one thing I want because I have read this book you did suggest this to me and it really did open my eyes and mind to something that I was really clueless about about how many decades this really has been dismantling our education system and this this first chapter right here when our schools abandoned commonality we became a nation at risk there are this is not that's not hyperbole I don't I don't think that's hyperbole at all because there are a lot of people who say that what's happening in the education system now with taking away this knowledge base really is a hijacking of our country how do we course correct this so I I think what has happened in America's education system is dangerous on so many levels start with the fact that there is no knowledge base and effectively it is making America dumber and I'm just going to say it without becoming Dumber you hire the younger people you hire compare them today with what they were years ago it's it's it's unbelievable I mean the fact that there is no basic expectation that they can spell correctly right correctly um or really even do math is one example of many other examples of they simply just don't know stuff and they don't know stuff because we have not sent them to a school that expects them to know stuff you compare it to schools that are knowledge based the kids who come out of there have more knowledge and so that is danger number one danger number two is that our kids are not getting along with other Americans they don't feel patriotic uh this word nationalism is supposedly a pejorative which it really shouldn't be it should be a completely normal thing that a child that grows up in America loves and respects their country does it mean that America is perfect no there's no country that is perfect is my mom perfect she's not perfect I love my mom you know what I mean perfect exactly right and so but there's this you know there is this underlying disgusting agenda and I don't know if it's uh uh an agenda that has been you know manufactured and planned to attack our our country uh it could be uh but even if it wasn't manufactured and planned it has snowballed into this giant thing because our kids are not learning to love America they're not learning Civics they're not learning the comparative history to see how we got here and so there the element of be becoming dumber than not loving your country and having this you know uh lack of patriotism and lack of understanding of who we are is a very very dangerous thing and then on top of that is this class Warfare that is created now through much of what I call that Trojan course both SEL and language arts so much of that curriculum is about critical race Theory and equity which is really creating that I joke fruit salad but this is a very very dangerous fruit salad because if we don't feel connected we are not going to fight together for our country and the Melting Pot was This brilliant idea that basically said to every single American it doesn't matter what you look like it doesn't matter what your last name is it doesn't matter where your family comes from here is this ladder learn the latter participate in our nation and you become an American now we're teaching kids all that matters is what you look like right all that matters is what your last name is it doesn't matter what the latter is you don't even have a ladder all you need to focus on is you know how we are so different and how it will be virtually impossible for us to work together because that's what it feels like when you feel disconnected from that person sitting next to you and I think that Trifecta is weakening Amer America in a way that is more dangerous than any external factors it is no surprise to me that Mike Pompeo former Secretary of of State said that the teachers unions are the most dangerous thing to the United States and that is because it is a direct attack on our children and as long as our children remain politicized and the there is this trojan horse that is eating our education from within we are gonna we are going to continue to go downhill for parents whose kids are in the system that does not have any accountability in teaching the foundational Basics grade level to grade level essentially that's I mean what is there to do yeah he was like how do we know how do we dare so actually so if you really think about it it is actually not that difficult to solve the problem I don't know that we can solve it on a macro level because of all the bureaucracies and the institutionalized systems that have become you know Progressive education not to mention their their attachment to you know the ideological left-wing uh um agenda but on a personal level as parents it's actually not that hard to provide your child with Cultural Literacy the sad thing is that most of the people that are probably listening to this interview are the type of people that could help their kids but most people are not going to listen to this interview and most people will not know how to do it but if you're the type of person that can read can buy a few books you can do it on the weekends you can inoculate your child on the weekends you can actually figure out what it what are the basics to understand America or to understand the Cultural Literacy that we need to understand Western Civilization or even financial literacy right you can actually do that as a parent we have been told by government schools that our job as parents is to basically bathe our kids make them lunch and pick and send them to school and then pick them up at the end of the day and that the government schools or even the private schools their job is to teach our children everything including that emotional element of values I don't believe in that I believe that if you want to send your kid to a school that's fine but you can't forfeit your responsibility and just say okay you know let me just make them a sandwich for the day that is not your role as a parent it's not your only role as a parent your role as a parent is to actually provide them with knowledge as well right and so I know it seems so overwhelming what are you going to become your kids teacher it seems really overwhelming but it's actually not that hard you can have you can make the right choices of the type of books that you want your kids to read you can have them watch prageru kids we're going to talk about how prior you kids is that ladder I mean I really guarantee you that if your child starting at kindergarten if your child watches prigger you kids every single week they will climb up that ladder They will receive that Cultural Literacy that we're looking to provide to Children which our schools are not providing so there are ways to do it there is a lot of information but it's really not that much and over 10 years you can really teach a child a lot and so a part of it is confidence taking the first steps up that hill so it doesn't feel that overwhelming and you know you can order there there's a lot of great curriculum there's classical conversations there's classical curriculum that you could use as a supplementary curriculum at home you don't have to necessarily send your child to a classical school that I think is great if if you have access to those and I also recognize that a lot of parents cannot homeschool their kids if they can homeschool their kids that's great but if they can't then at the very least you can inoculate them and provide them with what I call that ladder of of teaching them some of those Basics well the interesting thing for me is that you know I was very very clueless about how our system has become so dysfunctional and the scariest part is really understanding how much education was lacking within myself but now that I as a parent have seen this I can't unsee it I'm going to play Devil's Advocate a little bit because you did talk about standards and how we definitely need to have standards from grade level to grade level some people take the approach that standards are useless your response I think that there's no area in our life where we accept the idea that standards are useless except when it comes to our children name a person who runs a business that doesn't have a certain standard for the people that work with them I mean having no standards is just so unfair why not hold teachers accountable why not hold parents accountable why not hold bureaucrats accountable and you know what let's hold our children accountable because they can achieve but if we don't hold them accountable we're telling them that we don't believe in them and so to not have standards uh I I think is what has got us to this place and and I know there will be claims that there are some basic standards which by the way are continuing to drop every single year in the name of equity and inclusion and so watch what is happening every time we lower the standards or we remove standards either a trojan horse comes in or our kids can't really accomplish very very basic things when you look at Singapore a country that is much smaller than ours their reading and math abilities are so so superior to the United States they don't have the same budget that we we invest in our kids and why is that and so one of the reasons that is is because they do have standards they have a knowledge-based curriculum with specific standards everybody that is part of the system and really raising a child it takes a village right and so it's it's the teachers it's the parents it's the bureaucrat it's the child themselves for herself all of those folks are involved in in the raising of a child and having them climb up the ladder you don't have them climb up a ladder if you don't know what the latter is I don't know what you're going to climb up and so no I think not having standards for any human being is incredibly unfair it is this shift in curriculum did not happen overnight it's taken decades how many decades do you think it's going to take to undo it well I you know what I would say I I think we're in the middle of an educational Revolution because it has gone so bad for all kinds of different reasons and maybe uh the lockdown I don't call it the pandemic I call it the lockdown maybe the lockdowns uh have provided us some sort of Silver Lining uh that we can see and that I feel like I have been advocating for a radical transformation in America's education system for many many years about 20 if I have to age myself and you know even 11 years ago when we started Prairie that was very much part of you know our agenda here is to really push for for real change and real education with concrete knowledge and expectations of of both Educators and students and it was difficult for me to get people to really understand what is happening and then you fast forward to what has happened over the last two or three years I think parents have been waking up in a way that I have never seen them awake and I think that that kind of educational Revolution can only happen if the masses wake up and start making demands and I think we're getting there because I I'm starting to see parents getting more involved and I think they want to do good they want to change they just don't know what is happening they don't know what has led us to this and they don't know what to even expect and so part of it is to understand how we got here again I really recommend this book how to educate a citizen it gives a really good survey of how we got here starting with John Dewey and his colleague at a Teachers College at um his name is uh Howard Kilpatrick he was the one who really believed in this natural education romanticizing this idea that the nature knows best and so it really started you know many years ago even before the 50s but in the 50s they rejected a lot of that philosophy and then caught up later on the 60s and 70s and you know at a really skyrocketed with with social emotional learning and and the other new kind of curricula that has been brought into the schools so you know I think the bottom line is to understand what has happened the next part for parents is to start asking real questions at the school I mean I think parents do deserve to know what their kids are learning what the curriculum is going to look like and demand something that is more than brush Strokes like you know sending your kid there for many many hours oftentimes you're sending them to a private school where you're paying you should know what they're learning you should be involved and and not just because you have the right to do it but you also have the obligation to help support what is happening in the school right if you're sending your kids to a wonderful school that is teaching them wonderful things why not continue that conversation at home and actually embed it into your dinner discussions or or your weekend discussions when you're driving somewhere right why why create this complete split between what is happening in the classroom and what is happening at home isn't that the best way to really create scaffolding for learn learning right and so I think that's that's a great way to get involved and if you're not seeing what you're hoping to see in your kids school then take it upon yourself you know Friday or Saturday morning or Sunday morning to spend a few hours with your child and give them that ladder because it is that ladder it's the kids who do know what the latter is and the kids will know how to climb the ladder that will actually end up making it further in life yeah yeah 100 well you've taught us that here I've learned that from you in just a couple years truthfully yeah two years you don't need 12 years of education I got a lot more to go but I have learned that from you and I think all of us uh you know collectively speaking have really learned that meritocracy matters and results matter and it needs to return to our education system in our schools or else we have a bigger problem than we realize for the future of this country thank you so much for letting thank you so much for letting us listen into your wisdom for a change thank you for listening it's nice it's nice to actually have an audience that finally gets it you know it's been a long time where I felt like you know I had a few conversations with a few Educators and oftentimes I felt really alone in this uh by the way just a shout out to anybody that works with Edie Hirsch I've been trying it's on my bucket list to try to meet any any of the folks that are part of their Foundation if they're listening and you're listening right now please email me uh we'd love to work with you guys um maybe we can have Edie Hirsch on the program or or someone from there but thank you thanks for the opportunity to you know fix this system that we care so much about we can't we care about our kids we got to fix it yeah we do thank you for teaching us [Music]