Trauma im Blut: Epigenetik enthüllt die unsichtbaren Auswirkungen von Traumata | Naturmedizin | QS24

Are you already registered? Hello and welcome. I welcome you again to our format Naturmedizin. And today we have taken up the topic of trauma or traumata. And I have a special and very likeable guest today. Timo Janisch is with me. He is an epigenetic trainer. And today we want to talk about what trauma does to our epigenetics. And that trauma under certain circumstances or traumata are more serious for our health than we may now have an idea of. That's why I'm inviting you now. Because you, too, very, very likely have one or more traumata. And that's why it's a very good piece of information that you can take a look at now. Maybe you can then also build relationships with your health. Who knows? Stay tuned. We'll start the conversation right away. Dear Timo, I also warmly welcome you. Nice to have you here. Yes, hello. Thank you for the invitation. You are an epigenetic trainer, so you have been dealing with it for a very long time, as we talked about before. And there are already various conversations that we have already published here on the channel. The viewers can take a look again at www.kurs24.tv. And today we want to deal with the topic of traumata. Now there are various reactions to traumata. It's a fashion term now. And some people don't even want to deal with traumata, because they might know I have something in me. And if I go there, it might hurt. But it's definitely worthwhile and meaningful. But it's also a very individual thing, how I approach a traumata, right? To free myself from it and do something good for my health. Maybe we'll take a look at it first. You're going to tell us right now. What is trauma and how does it work? Exactly. I came to the topic of trauma from my own experience. That means I started visiting trauma seminars when I was 17 years old. Out of my own pressure of suffering. And at that time I wasn't aware that my behavior patterns, that my belief patterns that I have and that I put into practice, have a lot to do with traumatic experiences. And then on my journey, I really got to know different types of trauma work. At first I followed an approach that worked a lot on expression. And then I ended up with integrative trauma work, where it's really about their experiences that you've had in your life, which are also painful, mostly from childhood. And then step by step you get closer to these experiences. The emotions that are associated with it are then also recognized. And this experience is seen as a part of itself, so to speak. And so it's also integrated step by step. Because we live with our trauma, so to speak. That's our past, with what we've experienced. And it's important, so to speak, not to separate these experiences from us in the subconscious, or to separate them from us in general, but to really realize step by step, okay, what have I experienced? How can I take it back to me and go into a new future with my past? And that's how I came to the topic of trauma. And over time I noticed that the trauma work also changed in my body. That is, I felt more vital. I noticed that I also felt healthier physically. I felt more alive. And I was very aware that this not only affects the mental level, but also affects the physical level. But at the time I couldn't explain how it all works. That means, there is the saying, body and mind influence each other. But I thought to myself, there has to be a science. We are really in the 21st century. And there has to be a science that explains how mental processes, emotional processes, how trauma work affects the body. And in the mid-twenties I came across epigenetics. And epigenetics could then explain to me how thoughts, stressful emotions, but also beautiful emotions, made experiences, affect the regulation of our genes. And we have our genes, 22,500 genes. We have these genes in every cell, in the nucleus. And it has been found, at least in the last 20 years, that these genes cannot cover the complexity of our organism. Because a threadworm has just as many genes. An apple has twice as many genes as we do. That means, there has to be a mechanism that regulates these genes, so that they can express themselves differently, so that this complexity of different cells, of different proteins and enzymes in the body becomes possible. And that's what epigenetics describes. And epigenetics also examines how this gene regulation changes in lifestyle or beyond lifestyle, while the genes are always determined. We can't change them. And with epigenetics, this picture also changes. I have delivered my genes, and it leads us back to our creationism, so to speak, and says, we can measure it scientifically. The way we deal with our emotions, thoughts, with our trauma, really changes what our gene regulation is, and how our genes are translated into proteins, so to speak. Our body consists of proteins, so how our mind influences matter, how it affects our body. And trauma and epigenetics are very closely connected. And I could go into the first step and talk about how trauma is created in life. Yes, of course. For many people, trauma is still a general term. But what does trauma mean? Yes, so that the audience can identify where they may have a trauma. And as I said, I don't think anyone is free from trauma. Exactly, that's the point. For example, there are people who were at war and experienced a lot of bad things. Yes, these are also trauma. These are very, very intense trauma. And it can start much earlier. That means it can start with completely different life experiences. Because once, when we grow up in the uterus, we have different basic experiences that we have. That means we have the basic experience of binding. We are connected, yes. Very important. We have the basic experience of protection. That means we really feel protected in the uterus. Then we have the experience of growth. We grow up, so to speak. Cells form. And we have the experience of care. That means we are cared for in the uterus. We don't have to do anything for it. And when we come into the world, when we are born, these basic experiences become basic needs that every person has. That means, as a child, I have the basic need to build a bond to the people I trust, to the parents. To be touched, to trust. Really this bond. Then protection. Yes, so I want to be protected by people I trust. Whether it's parents, whether it's teachers. I want to be able to grow. So really growth, as soon as I am limited. For example, if I am told early on, you can't do that anyway, you can't do it, I will be limited in my growth. And that means the need can be fulfilled. And then the care. But care doesn't just mean physically. Do I get fed by the parents, for example? But also emotionally. And if, so to speak, one or more of these four basic needs are not given over a shorter, more intense or longer period of time, and everyone can reflect in my life, so to speak, what is the topic of bonding in childhood? Have I experienced loss of bonding? Was I not protected? Maybe also over a longer period of time. Or also a shorter period of time. Was I not allowed to grow? Or was I not provided sufficiently? And that can, but of course it doesn't have to, but can lead to traumatic experiences, if I haven't fulfilled these basic needs over a longer period of time, if I haven't fulfilled these basic needs over a longer period of time. Let's take bonding as the first example. There was such a method of education in the last century. It was called, parents should push their child into a next room after it has been born, when it shouts in the evening, and let it scream until it falls asleep and does not touch. So don't pay attention. That means, of course, the child fell asleep at some point, but not because it's a good method of education, and because the child thought, now I'm tired, now I'm going to sleep, but what actually happened, the child was in a survival fight. Because bonding was not there, protection was not there, that is, the child actually had the feeling, I can no longer survive, the parents are not there. What happens? The child shouts, shouts, shouts and gives up, so to speak. It resigns. And that's a first traumatic experience that an incredible number of children made in the last century, because this method of education was and still is, and was really propagated. Scientifically, you have to think about it. Exactly. That means, trauma starts very early and can also happen very quickly, already in education. And to recognize, so to speak, that trauma is something normal in our life, in our everyday life, and it's about creating an awareness of it in society, in families, but also, so to speak, dealing with it, is important. And it's not something that's far away, what only other people have experienced. So that's the first point. And maybe briefly, what happens with trauma? Trauma could be translated into I'm separating myself from a part of me. If, for example, I have painful experiences in my childhood, then it's so painful that I, so to speak, in order to cope with the whole thing and to be able to survive as a child, that I, so to speak, separate myself from a part of me, from certain emotions, a part of me, from needs, at that point. That is, there really is a separation in me. It's like when I physically cut myself with a knife. It breaks apart, so to speak. There's a separation. That means an overwhelming situation, the whole stress system of the child is overloaded, for example, and it can't be regulated by binding. Yes, because trauma usually occurs when, for example, parents shout at their child or maybe even beat their child. At that moment, it can't, so to speak, through this trauma, this shock that arises, be regulated by a trusted person again, because it's actually the parents themselves. And that's also a big topic of trauma, that the child can't regulate his nervous system through the parents or a trusted person. Then, so to speak, this separation occurs. And trauma healing means that I reconnect this separation that has arisen. So, like a cut, a wound, and it heals together, and at that moment, so to speak, healing occurs. And that's why, so to speak, trauma is not something that dissolves, but trauma is something that I integrate and where I reconnect to a part of me that I can be as a whole again, where I can find my true self and feel complete again, feel holistic. How does integration happen in your opinion, in the best way? I work a lot group-dynamically, but also in individual sessions. Once, of course, through dialogue with the person, through body perception. You feel it in the body. For example, okay, there's a grief coming. Where does the grief sit in the body? Let it feel in. Then you often let the grief give a sentence, for example, and then this sentence is pronounced, and then you usually get to the experience. And then really these moments where healing happens, when, so to speak, the whole thing is seen and heard, what happened back then, by a person and not, that's often what happens, parents, family systems, no, no, no, no, it didn't happen, it's not that tragic, and that people are also heard in it. Then that these emotions in peace, so to speak, the integration process takes place. So after such meetings or group work, there are many breaks, where the whole thing then integrates and the body heals itself. That is, you give impulses, impulses, you consciously do, you integrate, you express, and the body heals in the next step itself, by slowly integrating. And that's the principle of self-division in all areas. We have to give the body or us the freedom to go in there with this consciousness in meetings, then it can lead to the fact that healing has already happened within this room for the people. I think I interrupted you earlier, so I didn't know if you wanted to go somewhere else with that. No, no, that was basically to pick up the trauma, the whole topic. And I also have a few studies that are very exciting. So I talked about epigenetics, about our gene regulation, and that it is, so to speak, that influences our gene regulation and our epigenetics, and how, in the end, proteins are encoded from our genes and can have an effect on the body. And there are various studies, and here is a very exciting study. Childhood trauma was studied in adults, how this, in turn, affects the gene regulation of people, how these traumatic experiences in a larger cohort of people. And what they were able to observe in people who have experienced certain traumas compared to people who have not experienced traumatic experiences or, say, less intense traumatic experiences, that they could see that, in fact, neuronal functions and their retention were strongly influenced, so to speak. That is, the genes that were involved were negatively regulated. This also means, for example, that it has a great influence trauma on the brain, so to speak, on the genes that are involved in the sense as it should be. And also exciting are immunological and inflammatory processes. Genes that are involved in these processes were no longer advantageously regulated, that is, certain genes that promote inflammation were more readable, for example, and also genes of the immune system were not properly regulated. And it is not uncommon, if you observe it, to bring autoimmune diseases into contact with trauma. To deal with suppressed emotions that trigger stress in us and lead to a malfunction of the immune system at some point. And often also to discover personality structures, so to speak. Why is it, so to ask the question, there is of course the physical level with which we also work as epigenetic coaches, but we also have the mental level to ask the question, why is my body directed against myself and what does this have to do with my personality structures? And that is really a very interesting example. Other genes that you have observed, OXTR gene, that is oxytocin receptor gene. Oxytocin is our cuddle hormone. Oxytocin is the hormone that makes us empathetic, which also makes us emotionally intelligent and which also heals us. It is also a healing hormone. It has an influence on different areas of the body to put the body in a self-healing and parasympathetic mode. Oxytocin receptor gene was no longer properly regulated by trauma. And then also exactly BDNF gene, which is responsible for the growth and differentiation of neurons. This was also no longer properly regulated compared to the other control group. And that has shown that trauma really has a direct influence on our genes, on our gene regulation and thus also on our biology, on our body. And how important it is, so to speak, to create more consciousness for trauma in society. Exactly. I also have another study that is quite exciting. It's a study in Sao Gonçalves. It's in Brazil. It's a city where a lot of psychological and physical violence prevails and still prevails. It's gotten better, but it's still very, very intense. And there, grandmothers were examined, just like their grandchildren. And these grandmothers had experienced physical and traumatic stress. It was seen that there were changes in the CFTR gene, epigenetic changes in the grandmothers, which led to significantly more cardiovascular diseases compared to the average, due to traumatic stress. And then they also examined grandchildren, not the next generation, but the next generation, and even there, they grew up in an environment where they no longer experienced traumatic stress. But they still saw that this CFTR gene was still being regulated there, and that in the cohort they examined, there were more cardiovascular problems. And that opened up a completely different corridor, that trauma is epigenetic, so to speak. Possibly. It has not yet been proven one-to-one, but we do not yet know the exact ways, but we see results that strongly point to it. In animal studies, we can already prove it with mice. This has also been studied very intensively. And then really to the point that we have to be aware if this is to be true, and I personally, I can only speak for myself, strongly assume, even if the ways have not yet been proven one-to-one, scientifically, but the results are already to be seen, that we can continue to inherit trauma to the next generation, epigenetically, via our gene regulation. That certain genes are regulated differently, and that this can lead to changes in our mood, but also physical changes. If we do not integrate and approach these traumas in our lives, we can pass them on to future generations, in my opinion. And not only on the level of education and observation, but also on the biological level, I am strongly convinced of that. And that is why, in my opinion, it is so important that we not only start for ourselves, to look at traumata, to integrate, to become aware of the whole topic, but also to do this for our next generations on this earth. That means, if we, as a generation, or now the generations that are just starting, really change something, then they do it for the next generations, and then something can also change on earth. Exactly. And that is why it is important for me to go into these different types of traumata, because what we talked about a lot at the beginning, and I have also reported on it, is the biographical traumata. Development traumata can be distinguished into shock traumata and development traumata. Shock traumata means, for example, I am in the car with my family and we build an accident. And that is a shock for me at the moment. That is a shock trauma. For a long time, you only knew shock trauma and there was nothing else. And then, the scientists, the trauma scientists, added the term development traumata. That simply means that, over a long period of time, I experience painful experiences again and again, mostly in my childhood, and that is called development traumata. That can be an example that the parents never pick me up, that they don't take me in their arms, that I can't touch them, that I can't bond with them. That can be, and here we are with these different basic needs, that parents over a long period of time always say, you are not good enough, that you are not allowed to touch me, that you are not allowed to hold me. And if that happens over a long period of time, then it is development traumata. And that is actually what, when I give the seminars and work with people, and at the beginning it is always said, I have the most beautiful childhood, that is a coping strategy for trauma, a coping strategy, so as not to become aware of it, because of course there is also pain behind it. And then, after the second or third day, there is a small or bigger trauma and that is development traumata. That means, over a longer period of time, you have always had painful experiences, whether with other children, whether with parents, whether with teachers, teachers, in power positions, and so on. Above all, as adults, we now have a completely different view of our own experience as a child. We might say, or we go easy on it today, we say, it wasn't so tragic. But as a child we were someone completely different. We needed protection, etc. And we experienced it very differently. I always remember an experience, my own experience, in kindergarten, where someone pulled a wooden block over my head with another child. That's still there. And that's a trauma. And today I say, yes, and what's the point? It didn't bleed or anything. So it was nothing. But that's an elementary event that happens to a child. Sure, of course, we get a distance to these experiences over time. And before I started trauma work, I had certain life experiences. I also said, well, it's not all that tragic, and so on. Sometimes I got to a point in trauma work where I could briefly feel how painful it actually was, by taking it step by step and going back there with my body perception. But basically there's this urge that I observe a lot. It happens a lot, that I hear people say, I had the most beautiful childhood, I had the best parents. And three, four, five questions are enough, either in a meeting or even like this. And all of a sudden, applause. And then the first topics come up. And then you quickly realize that trauma always requires coping strategies. That is, we need some strategies in our lives, because trauma is too painful, to deal with it. And we usually develop them relatively early. And in fact, there are different coping strategies for trauma. For example, a coping strategy is what I just said, to say, okay, here it will be nice, there it will be nice. And there are different coping strategies to deal with trauma. A coping strategy of mine was, for example, because of my experience, my mother got sick very early, had cancer, survived the whole thing, but was in the hospital for a long time and was not sure if she would survive. And that was for me, I was five years old, and in principle, it was very difficult for me to build my contact with strangers. And one coping strategy was retreat, to really say, okay, I dissociate myself, I go a lot into my thoughts, into my dream world, and take myself out, so to speak. And we take these coping strategies into adulthood. And we often live them, we live our inner child, and we don't have to be overwhelmed by it, it can only be the inner child in you, which is not heard, for example, which has made certain experiences. And then we are stuck in these patterns, and we have to look at them, these coping strategies, otherwise we create, and that's the exciting thing about trauma, when we have had certain painful experiences, if we don't make them conscious, we reconstruct them again and again in our present and future. That is, we always have similar experiences and many people ask themselves, why do I always end up in the same relationship? Why do I always end up in a toxic relationship? Why does it happen to me again and again? And yes, that's actually, if I don't make myself aware of it, that there is a trauma, which pulls me back again and again, and I reconstruct the whole thing again and again. Exactly, that means, if I approach my trauma, the biographical trauma, and really do an integration work, then you can really observe how something changes in the gene regulation and thus in the whole body. Great. Then we have the transgenerational trauma. That was the study I just showed. That means, I personally strongly assume that there are results, but the way is not yet proven exactly, but that over generations, trauma can or could be biologically epigenetically inherited. And that is actually also a point that is often mentioned when you work with transgenerational trauma, that it suddenly comes from the client. There is some kind of grief. There is such a grief in me regularly, and I can't assign it to my life. I've done so much work on myself, I've done so much therapy, and I can't assign it to an event in my life. And when you start transgenerational, you really look into the family tree, you look and say, what was with your father, what was with your grandfather, grandmother, and so on. And suddenly you discover certain loyalties and connections in transgenerational and realize, okay, oh, something was passed on there, also certain moods and emotional patterns. So that's also transgenerational trauma. You approach it a little differently, because it often has to do with giving something back to other generations internally. To say, this is not mine, and to create this awareness for it. And then, this is a very exciting topic, and I think this is the biggest topic that is important right now, is collective trauma. This concerns entire societies and systems. What does collective trauma mean? Many believe that collective trauma, if you've ever heard the term, is just something like wars, environmental disasters, World War II in Germany. Yes, it's a collective trauma that hasn't been processed and is still affecting generations, and not just with individual people, but with the whole society. But what I find even more important than wars, environmental disasters, is that we have created retraumatizing systems collectively. The health system, what happens in hospitals is collectively traumatizing. And the school system, which is particularly important to me. The school system reconstructs trauma on the wall. Maybe the child comes from a family where the parents weren't so aware and from their own patterns that they didn't cope with, they keep saying, if you bring this child to school, it will be assessed based on their own mistakes, the strengths won't be promoted, there is a person who has a high opinion, you can't express yourself, grow. And this child is constantly being retraumatized. That is, it experiences retraumatization in a system that we have created ourselves. And we experience it similarly in economic systems. When you go into some companies, there is always retraumatization from employees, dealing with employees, and so on. And if we don't start to change systems collectively, which always retraumatize, we won't get out of the number that we really have problems for the next generations to create a sustainable life on this earth. Because we are so attached to these systems and then come to compensation mechanisms like consumption, and so on. Consumption is also an addiction. A trauma management strategy is addiction. We come into addictions like consumption, drugs, and so on. And we are separated from ourselves by trauma. I talked about separation. And only when we have a separation we are not connected to nature or don't feel connected to nature. And only then can we deal with nature the way we deal with it. Because we are part of it. That is, if we are connected to ourselves, if trauma integration is so deeply rooted in society that it should be a standard, that we couldn't deal with nature because it would cause pain that we couldn't stand. Especially because we are not connected to ourselves by constant retraumatization and so on. Great aspect, thank you very much. Exactly. That's why the collective topic is so important and that we really start because when we say the collective trauma and these systems that always promote these retraumatizations, no matter where we move, don't change, the work on individuals and on biographical traumata, which are usually just a symptom of the collective trauma, is a coping strategy. That is, we try to change individual people and most of the time we try to restore them for these systems that are actually collectively retraumatized. A lot happens in trauma work. People have a burnout, they say, okay, now I have to look at my trauma. Burnout always has something to do with trauma. Addiction always has something to do with trauma. And then the therapist tries to make me sociable again and actually tries to bring me back to a system that is responsible for this trauma. Yes. That's where the cat gets its tail. Exactly. That means if we don't change the systems, then we can biographically make life easier for some people, with more ease. And again and again, probably after a few years, get into the meeting. But if we don't change the systems, then we will have problems, especially for the next generation on this earth. And that's why it's so important to me. Timo, thank you very much for this great way of looking at the topic of trauma, also in the big picture, not just in the small picture. Unfortunately, we have already reached the end of our time. I would like to briefly point out or address that you are also training in epigenetics. Would you like to say where you can find more information? Exactly. There is the website www.epigeneticcoach.de There you can get information about the training. We started three years ago to call an epigenetic coach training to the world. Manuel, my friend and partner, we both say together. He is a doctor. I come from this trauma field. And we realized that if we want to bring this healing that we have talked about a lot into the world, then only by training people who carry the whole thing as a multiplicator into their sessions. And that's why we called this training to life and go there in this training for over six months into the different lifestyle areas of epigenetics. That is, how can I bring my body into self-healing? How can I create a framework in my lifestyle so that epigenetically self-healing becomes possible in the body? We go through different areas of life, psychoepigenetics, transgenerational epigenetics, but also medically in nutri, vitamin D, and so on. And we made a concept out of it, where I really look at people in a holistic way and not just through a pair of glasses and say, okay, we have to treat and look at this at this point. And then the symptom comes up again at another point. We always have to look at people as a whole. Because only when we do that do we understand as far as we can understand how everything is connected and can then bring people into self-healing in a holistic way. And that's what we do. Thank you very much for the interview with Dr. Manuel Burzler, your partner. You can watch it again on YouTube or on our channel www.qs24.tv Thank you very much. I look forward to further conversations with you. We have to wrap up very quickly because the time is up. I look forward to the next time. Thank you very much for the invitation. Thank you very much. Take care of yourself and your traumata. Above all, don't be afraid to integrate your traumata. The world will then be much more beautiful and much more colorful if you get rid of it. No, actually put it together. So stay tuned. I look forward to seeing you again next time. Stay attentive, watchful and loving to yourself. See you next time. Goodbye.