Die Bedeutsamkeit der Fette für unsere Gesundheit | Kolloquium Medicine | QS24 Gesundheitsfernsehen

Are you already on Wikisana? I would like to welcome you again to our interview in the Colopium format. My guests today are Dr. Friederike Wichelt, Professors Alexander Rondeck and Thomas Rau. Today we are dealing with the question, what would happen if fats were healthy? Stay tuned, we'll start in a moment. Welcome, everyone. Nice to have you here. I'm looking forward to a conversation about the topic of fats. Fats are probably the first thing you think of. Oh God, fats, I'm going to get fat. No, nonsense. Fats are an important part of our body. The question is, what would happen if fats were healthy? Now you certainly divide it back into healthy and unhealthy fats. At least that's what I've heard so far. Absolutely. The question is wrong. The question is wrong? How healthy are fats? Yes, okay. They are not unhealthy. They are at most the wrong use of fats. And destroying them by cooking or by finished products. But fats themselves should represent a large part of our diet. But the right ones. For example, the brain consists of about 60%, if not more, of fat. Not just the fat tissue. Every cell has, and this is the important thing now, every cell has a three-layered cell membrane. And it's lipophilic on the outside, hydrophilic, lipophilic. And the two layers of fat of each cell and even of each mitochondrion are elementary important. Without fat, the cells are destructible. That means they macerate. Their cell walls lose vitality. Only the lipids, i.e. the fatty acids, I'll come back to that later, in the cell wall at all, guarantee that a cell membrane potential, namely the vitality of the cell, can be built up. And the causes of many degenerative diseases, i.e. for example heart diseases, or for example cancer diseases, or even cancer diseases themselves, are partly due to wrong fats, or simply a lack of fats. So there are good and bad ones. I am surprised how little this analysis, which can be done, simple and even cost-effective in every laboratory, how little it is done in autoimmune diseases, or in chronic infectious diseases, or in your athletes. He is a specialist in sports medicine, and his people also need the good fats. Now there are good and bad ones, and unfortunately it is the case that my patients, such as autoimmune patients or cancer patients who come to me, they often have, well, practically all of them, inflammatory fatty acids, i.e. the arachidonic acid, the linoleic acid and the palmitic acid, palmitic acid, I am falling into a trance, palmitic acid is ubiquitous everywhere today, palm oil is even put into bread, palm oil is in mayonnaise, palm oil is, is, is, everywhere, and this leads to chronic infectious diseases in humans, the athletes come to you because they have muscle pain, they come to us biological doctors because they have cancer, that's not the only reason, of course, but today we know that, a new term, silent inflammation, the chronic hypotensive inflammation, has a lot to do with it, or the leaky gut, something modern, everyone has a leaky gut today, also this, this tight junction, which is the tightness of the intestinal mucosa between the cells, so to speak, that toxins cannot slip through, can only be built up if there are high-quality lipids, fats are good and must be absorbed, and if we look at Boudic, or Gerson, or Hippocrates Clinic, or our clinic, or your Swiss Mountain Clinic, we give good oils to people, I give olive oil, or I give flaxseed oil, or everyone knows today that EPA and DHA are particularly good, and these are these fats, they are called fish oil, because they are generally obtained from fish skins, from North Sea fish, these are the high-quality ones, and we simply need them, even the cardiologists know that the omega-3 fatty acids are very, very important, because they protect, they make the cells elastic, they prevent the erythrocytes from clumping, but they slip nicely through the capillaries, so fats are healthy, but you should not just fry animal fats, because then they are broken, and that's the bad thing, that we simply have wrong fats in our food, people don't get fat because of the fats, people get fat because of the carbohydrates and because of the wrong insulin production, I think I'll pass the word on to you, because that's your topic. Of course I liked the part with the cardiologists, because there is a whole cascade that you know and can explain well, because if I have too little omega-3, omega-3 is anti-inflammatory, so against an inflammation, if I have too little, a factor starts with us, it's called NFK-PAP, you don't have to remember that, but that's the boss, who starts the whole inflammation cascade, and when it starts, when it goes down, then inflammation occurs in the body, inflammation occurs in the body, so he is the starter, with each inflammation it leads to a different reactive nervous system, how does it react? The sympathic switch on, sympathic is fighting or fleeing, and when fighting or fleeing, you fight, pulse goes up, blood pressure goes up, cardiologist, now I have a silent inflammation, so this inflammation starts, no matter if it starts in the intestine, or wherever, it starts, and I have an inflammation in the body, I have an increased blood pressure, and then the cardiologist, if he is wise, he would say, I try to lower the blood pressure, by giving, for example, omega-3, or just a cheap combination of oils, because you know, it also depends on the ratio omega-3 to omega-6, but it's not that easy, that there is only black and white, but it is sometimes a bit more complex, nevertheless, I give you 100% right, omega-3 is missing, anti-inflammatory is missing, pro-inflammatory, inflammatory fats, they are dominant, and there you can do a lot, you can see that there is an inflammation in the body, and we see the influence on our entire cardiovascular system, on the whole body, you can do a lot, and I don't know how it is for you in practice, but certainly also, if you have noticed this hype about Anthony William, but it's really like that, just like years ago, there was this wave, everyone who wanted to lose weight ate low-fat, now the patient comes to you and he only eats bananas, mangoes, heavy metal detox shake, and I don't know what, he can understand that in the first phase, because he felt really dirty, that it helped him, but the fear of fat remained with most people, they make a big deal about it, and you see that on all levels, he doesn't come up from his loop at all, and the one who really studied these books and saw the videos, he doesn't understand that fat is important, that sugar, the fructose that he takes all day long, leads to liver disorders, and so on and so forth, and insulin, you can also explain it nicely, that's our mast hormone, so if he takes so much grain all day with the vegans, and have these insulin picks again and again, sugar is actually the fat and not the fat. Exactly, I could humarm you, but I can't tell you that. No, no, no, that's so good, and I have to say, I am 100% in agreement, I see these people, these Anthony people, well, he was blessed by God, and .... He is channeled, he says his knowledge is being channeled, and I have to say very briefly, the knowledge that he is channeled has been around for 10-20 years, in certain areas, he only draws out the wrong conclusions, and leads to an extremely one-sided diet, and that makes the problem actually more difficult. But now it comes to your topic, we measure that too, if I look at these people who eat fat-free or almost fat-free, so it is a sin to take too much olive oil or too much more than a few milliliters of linseed oil, I have such patients, and if you measure their adrenal activity, then initially the adrenaline level is still quite high, noradrenaline comes up, and at some point both come down, and then they are in an almost no longer compensable adrenal weakness, and that has become epidemic in America, these patients with adrenal exhaustion, they simply no longer have a pulse, as we say, and then you have to give them oil, fat, of course also vitamin B, for example, you are the specialist, but you almost no longer have a pulse, and unfortunately I see many people who are in a blatant misconduct, all the fatty acids low, but then still in an inflammatory misconduct, that's the problem. You also know that inflammation is actually the start for a dysplasia, i.e. a change in the cells, so everything that goes towards cancer, because you have the patients, the starter is very, very often that the cell with information, with inflammatory information, is shot, and then comes to a malfunction, and this malfunction then comes within the mitochondria, within the DNA and the reproduction, it then becomes more and more a pronounced malfunction, until the dysplastic goes into a cancer cell, so inflammation is in several respects just important to understand and also to use the possibilities to get them back into the normal range, and there the fats are a decisive lever. Yes, and fats are also the basis for the whole cholesterol, for hormones, for structures in the body, so you shouldn't think that away, these people have to understand that too. Exactly, yes, many people still think that cholesterol with fats is another nonsense, it is not fat, but it is a precursor, a precursor, the cholesterol for the adrenal hormones, the DHEA, for the sexual hormones, pregnenolone, progesterone in women, testosterone in men, without cholesterol we cannot form them, and in a nonsensical way give statins, excuse me, dear viewers, many of you probably have this, statins, anti-cholesterol agents, in the completely wrong view that cholesterol should be reduced, there is a large study, the Scandinavian study, which was done with high cholesterol levels and coronary heart disease, and this was a million-study, so this has proven that people who have high cholesterol have increased coronary heart disease. But now comes the interesting thing, which is known by now, that it is not because of cholesterol, but because cholesterol was blocked by metabolism and could not be reduced to DHEA, the heart protection hormone. And if you simply take away the cholesterol with statins in an almost insoluble liver-damaging complex which then causes liver disorders, then the patient detoxifies less, the pharma is happy because there are chronically ill but then he has less DHEA. And this is the problem, and we see this in our patients with their permanent stress reaction, but no stress processing capacity anymore. I can even explain that to you. For me, the question is, why do I have cholesterol, when the patient absolutely assures me that his diet is completely reasonable, where I don't see that cholesterol is being taken extremely seriously. Especially since we know that a cholesterol-poor diet does not really have such a big influence on cholesterol, I ask myself the question, I have a lot of cholesterol up there, I know that the next thing will be the hormone pregnenolone, which you have already mentioned, from which all the cascades go down, that is, testosterone in men, progesterone, estrogen in women, DHEA in both sexes. If I have a lot here and a little here with pregnenolone, then I am interested in this conversion. Now you have to know that pregnenolone is formed in the mitochondria. That means, when I know that there is a lot of cholesterol here, I am interested in how it is, how is the pregnenolone. If it is little, I look at the mitochondria, because they make pregnenolone exactly from the cholesterol. And in 90% of the cases, I find a mitochondropathy, i.e. a weakness, a damage of the mitochondria, i.e. the motors that make this conversion. When I know that and think about it, then I have to take care of the mitochondria, because the performance is not as good anymore. And I have to take care of the mitochondria so that they are powerful again. And then I get the cholesterol lowered on a natural way, because I have again created a function and I get the pregnenolone up. And all of a sudden, changes of age of a 35-year-old have disappeared. And the hormones are suddenly back in the normal range. Or the testosterone of the man suddenly rises again. Of course, I have to put the whole thing in a larger context with stress and so on. You also know that if I have stress all the time, then it's about fighting flies and not about pregnancy. That means, of course, I have to change a little in the overall setting. But I can show this path one-to-one. And that's nothing new. That's what we learn in school medicine And you're right. What do the mitochondria do? The fat burning. In order to activate my mitochondria, I have to consume the fats. I have to eat them. And of course not from today to tomorrow switch to a ketogenic diet when I'm used to carbohydrates. But slowly I have to adapt more and more to really be able to use the full mitochondrial activity. We have understood that eating is difficult. As it always is, in order to keep our orchestra upright, we simply need the good of everything. If I can put it that way. But not of everything, because we exclude animal fats here. Yes. There are of course better and less good. Theoretically, animal fats would not be so bad if they were not changed. But who eats from good biological animals? The meat still raw. Nobody does that. Yes, that would be totally not good. But as soon as you heat it, these animal fats denature. That's the problem. That's why people have high LDL and so on. Although, as you said, there are other mitochondrial things but we tell people you want to regulate the house a bit. Take a spoon of linseed oil, a soup spoon, a tablespoon of linseed oil per day. We give that to people in our hotel. And take one to two teaspoons of omega-3 fatty acids, fish oil. We have very good products. I'm not a fan of capsules. In order to get enough omega-3 fatty acids, you would have to take so many capsules that over time the capsule material plays a big part and is simply no longer good. That's why we give it in the form of liquid. I don't know how you do it. Similar. For me, one more sentence is important. I'll just use it now. There is always this hype. There is always something new in medicine. You always get a healing promise. If you do it this way, everything will pass. If you've been in medicine for a long time, you know these waves. You try to explain to the patient that it's not quite like that. You have to see it in this and that context. You always have to understand one thing. Personalized medicine. I look at the person sitting in front of me. Not everyone tolerates so much fat. Not everyone tolerates so much fat. But I have to go into it. If he says, I have a stomachache afterwards, because my stomach doesn't tolerate it yet, I say, okay, I understand. We'll start small and we'll get you there. But not plagiarism. The dosage you said is absolutely good. Everyone tolerates it. It is also sufficient to have enough of this good fat. But you have to be careful. Whether it's an Atkins diet or it's just a paleo diet. And whenever it's very one-sided, our gut will constantly rebel. It will say, wait a minute, please do it individually and don't follow the hypes so much. Exactly. Wonderful. I got a lot of information that is very valuable. And I think it's also very valuable for the viewer. I have one more question. Because you already mentioned Omega 3 and Omega 6. Omega 9 also plays a role. And the balance between all these or these three? I don't have it in my head now. Omega 3 to Omega 6 should be about 1 to 6. Omega 3 should be 6 parts. But you mentioned too much Omega 6, for example. This pro-inflammatory, inflammatory. We always find in the labs that this is more pronounced and Omega 3, which works against inflammation, is mostly a deficit. And where does Omega 6 come from? Through animal products, through the fat oils. You can replace it with sesame seeds and pumpkin seed oil and such things. But then you need so many flax seeds and so many pumpkin seeds. That's just simply nobody. So that's why we take the oil. Pumpkin seed oil is good. Sesame oil would also be decent. I am also a supporter of olive oil, which is not an Omega 3 fatty acid, but it's the only one. But it has to be super organic. That was the question. That's the only thing you can heat. So if you still want to fry things in your diet, I'm not necessarily against it, then take it with olive oil. Just heat it very slowly. Not super strong, but really slowly temper it high. And not temperatures over 200 degrees. So I would take coconut oil or clarified butter. I don't know how they do it in the Ayurvedic kitchen, because that doesn't form the trans-fat acids. Last question, how do I find a good quality oil as a consumer? Do I always stand in front of the shelf or don't I find it in the supermarket? Yes, that's difficult. Doctor out, olive oil. But no, that was meant ironically. Of course, it's clear to me that the viewers can't have that. There are these cold-pressed from organic olive trees. There really are. But you just have to know that they are expensive. Andalusian oil is simply not organic. And if you get an oil for 12 to 15 euros per liter, then it's not a properly cared oil. It's impossible. It's simply impossible. We produce our own, and if we don't even calculate our costs, we're already about 20 francs. But that's really problematic. Most olive oils, even if they are extra virgin, are simply not pure enough. Okay, but if you look, you'll find. And with the right advice, maybe you'll come to the right oil. In the end, we also have enough experts and recommendations. Probably also in the format in which you are involved. Yes, we also have a good olive oil from Italy here with us. We talk a lot about fats and so on. So that can't be an excuse that you don't come to a qualitatively good oil. Okay, then I say thank you very much for this valuable information, and we hope to bring it out again very soon, so that the attitude towards fats can be renewed and old dogmas can be cleared up, which were once found but have been contradicted for a long time. Unfortunately, such things always last infinitely long until they can be contradicted or re-believed. But our contribution is this show. Thank you very much at this point. I now wish you to find the right fats for your health, and above all, that you treat your body well and lovingly. And if you want to continue these valuable conversations with our experts who are here and beyond, there are a lot of very experienced and competent experts who would be happy to help. I wish you all the best. Be loving to yourself and your body. Again, you can't say it often enough. See you next time. Goodbye.