김겨울 장강명 이낙준이 모여서 책을 추천합니다 [문화다양성 2023]

I'll start with the thick book at the bottom. Why did you pick such a thick book? It's not even all of this. This is the first volume. It's a two-volume. It was a novel that a person who reads it feels guilty. You've only chosen two novels that a person who reads it feels guilty. Kim Kyung-wool's fan or Lee Nak-joon's fan would have gathered a lot. Oh, I can put one leg on it, too. I had this idea. Maybe if you go somewhere else, Writer Jang Kang-ryeol or Kim Kyung-wool I might be doing it. Yes, everyone. Nice to meet you. Today is the 2023 Cultural Diversity Week. I'd like to invite two guests and talk about books together. I'm Kim Kyung-wool, the host today. Nice to meet you. May 21st. It's the World Cultural Diversity Day selected by UNESCO. Every year in Korea, from May 21st to a week. We've decided on a cultural diversity week. We're doing a lot of events like this. Special curators, such as books, music, and movies. Please recommend various contents related to cultural diversity. There are many lectures going on here. Today, as part of such a lecture, I'd like to have a book talk with you two. Let me introduce you to the two guests we have today. First of all, let me introduce you to writer Lee Nak-joon. He's an ENT specialist. He also writes web novels under the nickname Hansan Eega. Through YouTube channel Dr. Friends, He also delivers medical knowledge to many subscribers. Please say hello to the writer. I'm Lee Nak-joon, the host. It's an honor to meet you. Thank you. Next is writer Jang Kang-myung. Writer Jang Kang-myung made his debut as a novelist in 2011. He's been active so far. He's been writing a variety of articles, including the comments section, the novel, and the winning class. He's also a broadcaster. I'm Jang Kang-myung, who was just introduced. Nice to meet you. I'm going to have a book talk about cultural diversity this year. First of all, you two became special curators for this year's cultural diversity event. How do you feel about being selected as a curator? Let's ask each other a simple question. First of all, it's an honor. I'm sure a lot of Kim Gyeo-wool's fans or Lee Nak-joon's fans are here. I thought I could do it for a month. And after I was cast as a guest, I had a serious time thinking about what cultural diversity was. It was also an opportunity for me to study. Especially for people my age like me, It's not a concept I've learned since I was a kid. And I don't know what you're talking about. It's not exactly a well-organized concept. I think it's a concept that's being created right now. So what kind of concept is this? I'm going to study. What can I do to create a concept of cultural diversity? It was time to think about that. Likewise, I thought it was an honor. In fact, most of the people who cast me come through YouTube channels. I call him doctor Lee Nak-joon. I was very grateful that you called me writer Lee Nak-joon. And the person who's hosting the concert with me. I saw Kim Gyeo-wool and Jang Kang-myung. Huh? As a writer, I'm already... Did you put your shoulders side by side? That's what I thought. Now that I've read it, There's a word called cultural diversity. I've never seen it before. I'm not the kind of person who's worried about diversity. I'm a commercial writer in the first place. What kind of writing will make people have fun? I'm thinking about who wants to read it now. I've never thought about what kind of influence my writing will have. I'm here today to learn more than to be a writer. Personally, that's what I thought. That's what you're saying. If you look at the work you've chosen, You brought a novel that goes well with the theme of cultural diversity. I'll introduce this book later. Let's listen together. As you know, today's topic is cultural diversity. I asked you to recommend a book that goes well with cultural diversity. Before we talk about this book, I'm going to take some time to think about what cultural diversity is. You said you thought about the theme of cultural diversity for the first time this time. What is cultural diversity? And why do we need it? I'd like to talk about these things first. Writer, you go first. Actually, when I first thought about it this time, I thought about what I usually like. I really like war stories. I was so interested in the Second World War that I encountered through novels and movies. I watch documentaries and books about it. When there's an extreme situation, I felt that there was no limit to the violence that people could do to me and others. If we usually think about this diversity, and if there's a consensus, Wouldn't we have been able to do a little less about that? Or if the atmosphere of society was like this before the war, Wouldn't we have been able to suppress that a little more? I think a lot about that. Actually, it's been less than 100 years since the end of the war. There's already a war going on. We haven't talked about this yet. We've developed technology, and we've settled on democracy. But we haven't had enough talk about diversity yet. I'm not ready to accept any other existence than myself. That's why we can perpetuate violence at any time. That's what I thought. I'm thinking about the concept of cultural diversity. I came to think about myself. I was born in the 1970s. When I was a teenager, Korea was under the military government. Until recently, Korea was a very oppressive society. So when I was a teenager, I became a person. I think I became a very individualist, liberalist. There's a social inequality that you think. I want to enjoy my freedom as much as I can if I don't harm others. And so do other people. I think there are quite a few people who have had this idea. There's a contract between society and me. If I don't harm society, don't interfere with me. That's what I thought until recently. I was a very individualist. You asked me what cultural diversity was. I was thinking about it. I wrote down a new context that requires observation and reflection. I've been in society and with me. I give you this duty. And don't interfere with my rights. Other people. And I say everything I want to say. If there's anything I want to write, I'll write it. If there's anything I want to consume, I'll consume it. That's what I think. These days, I think it's not that simple. Whether it's a phenomenon, an incident, or a person's identity. I think it's in a very diverse context. There are several contexts. I'm just going to do this within the scope of what I'm allowed to do. In a sense, it could be a big hurt to someone else. That's what I think. If you've been an individualist for 20 to 30 years, There must be another context here. A context I didn't think of. I'm going to have to think about these things. I think we can call it cultural diversity. That's what I think. Yes. The concept of cultural diversity is very clear. Even if it's not explicitly stated, You two write a lot of works. When you write a novel or something like this, Is there any side effect? What do you think, writer? I think there's a little bit. I think there are two big things. One is when I write a character. This is what I say when I teach students. The desire and fear of the character. I want you to describe both sides. And that's what I think. Whether he's a villain or a perpetrator. Or the other way around. Whether it's a good person or a victim. Everyone has a desire and a fear. This is my theory. But out of that desire and fear, What's the main context of that society? Should I call it a group? Getting out of a certain context. It's very scary to people. And I want to go into that context. But I'm frustrated because I can't go in. It's a big desire to want to go in. That's what I'm going to do. I think it's connected when I make a character. Another thing is this. There are some ambiguous points in cultural diversity. I've been thinking about this traditionally. Sometimes it collides with a certain ethical standard. Even if it's not a collision, it can cause tension. I've written about that a few times. Especially when I'm working on a short film. I use it often. There was something like this in a recent short film. I'm a semi-vegan now. I'm a semi-vegan. For example, trying to become a vegan. And there's a technology. You can transplant cells into the skin. I'm a vegan. I'm a painter who thinks. But this painter raises a cat. And the cat is a carnivore. I have to feed him chicken. This is a conflict. Do I have to force it on the cat? There's a lot to think about. It could be violence against cats. From the chicken's point of view, Whether it's human food or cat food. I wonder what the difference is. I'm interested in that kind of tension. I've written about that a few times. How about you? I've been practicing a lot of different ways of dealing with medicine. Videos and novels are all medical novels. If you put that into a funeral novel, If you make a medical web novel into a fantasy, The villains or monsters in the fantasy. It's an illness here. But you can't just deal with monsters in fantasy. Because there's someone who's really sick with this disease. You have to avoid the way it can hurt the person who's sick. Fortunately, before I wrote the novel, There's already been some training in the hospital. And the three of us on YouTube are the most careful. When we're dealing with a disease, Let's always keep in mind that there are people who are suffering from this disease. This disease is dangerous, scary, and we need to prevent it. It doesn't mean anything to the person who's already caught. You can't blame that person. For example, smoking causes lung cancer. That's a clear proof of the relationship between people. To a person with lung cancer, It's a completely different problem to say, You're smoking. I tried to avoid that. In a way, I think it's a cultural diversity. I thought it might have been a little bit of a consideration for the patients. At the same time, I reflected on it. It's not all the same in Korea. I think there's a lot of criticism about menstrual hair loss. I don't know if it's a Korean problem or a foreign problem. In the novel, I can't recognize this as a disease. There's a part of it that I use as a fun element. Oh, this is actually not an ordinary thing. I used this too much. So I reflected on it. I thought about it this time. Maybe one of the novels you've chosen this time is... Because there's a novel about external hatred. I think you might have thought more about that. Then, let's talk about the works you've chosen. Each of you has curated books and movies for this cultural diversity week. Let's meet the recommended works first. I asked you to introduce two books in detail today. I'll talk about those books. First of all, what kind of books did you curate? Can you tell me first? What kind of books did you choose? I chose a book called Children Unlike Parents by Andrew Solomon. Judgment Day by Jun Parairi. Joseph Anton by Salman Rushdie. The Path of Morality by Michael Shummer. Human rights philosophy of Christopher Menke and Arendt Paul. The Speed of Darkness by Elisabeth Moon. And Hal Herzog. The Animals We Eat, Love, and Hate. There are seven books like this. I chose a short novel by writer Koo Yeo-seo. The Love of Sprinklers 2. And Raymond Cover's Please Be Quiet. This is a web novel written by writer Myung-hwan. The Black-haired U.S. Marine. There's a novel about dementia called The Magnificent Life. I chose a long edition like this. Then, let's talk about the novels you've chosen. What are the two novels you've chosen today? The novel called The Love of Sprinklers 2, written by writer Koo Yeo-seo, starts with a female employee missing from the company. It's not that she's missing. It's just that people didn't go to work for a while. There's a story about a person who's not there. There's a rumor going around. There's a rumor that this person slept with someone. But who it is is very important. The missing female employee looks so pretty. She looks like a celebrity. Someone who's supposed to have slept with her goes around the office and wipes her shoes. Her nickname is Perfume. Perfume in the memory of murder. She looks like that. So she slept with someone named Perfume. The people who used to hate that female employee get angry. Why did she sleep with someone like that? It's not me. How did she sleep with someone like that? I don't understand. The sprinkler on top of the building thinks about what they're saying. The sprinkler sees everything objectively from above. And coincidentally, the building next to it is connected to the water supply system. So the sprinkler and the building next to it are talking. The building next to it is a motel. The sprinkler told them about it. I saw it, and they were really in love. It wasn't that impressive, but they were really in love. The sprinkler knows about the perfume that other people don't know about. This person may be intellectually and externally inferior, but there's no one else who expresses love to that female employee. Let's live together. I really like you. They keep saying this. The sprinkler, unlike what other people think, thinks she likes him more innocently than you do. That's how the novel ends. We've all had that experience. When someone asks you who you're dating, you're like, why? Why is he dating her? There's a strange feeling like that. In fact, love is done by the person involved, and only those two know about it. Other people only see it from the outside. Why is that person dating that person? That kind of prejudice is very strong. I chose this novel because I thought it showed that extreme. You only judge things from the outside. The office workers even grab you by the collar. I was a little uncomfortable because I was like that too. I didn't grab her by the collar, but I was on the side that didn't understand. Actually, I was like, why? Actually, that's what the writer pointed out. It's a novel that points out that you judge people only from the outside and judge them too easily. It's a novel that points out that you try to judge people only from the outside and judge them too easily. It was a novel that the reader was stabbed with. You've only chosen two novels that the reader was stabbed with. Yes. Other novels aren't easy either. What kind of novel is it? It's a book called Ddungbo, which is in Raymond Carver's book, Please Be Quiet. It's about a fat person coming to a restaurant and eating. The office worker saw it and said, Actually, I don't know if I understand Raymond Carver's novel Every time I see it, my thoughts change. Recently, my friend, U Chang-yoon, a specialist in endocrinology, took a video and talked about obesity. In Korea, there is a culture of putting a label on obesity. When you look at a fat person, you think, That person must be lazy. That person must not be able to take care of himself. That's what I think. In fact, there are a lot of things that you didn't choose. In fact, there are a lot of things that we don't know. You just look at the fat person in front of you and criticize them. The person who represents the fat person says, I didn't choose to be fat. Some things can't be chosen. But when I was young, I actually chose everything. In fact, it was a life that ran on the rail. When I was told to study hard, I studied hard. When I was told to go to college, I went to college and became a doctor. I was a person who ran on the rail. Now I'm a web novelist and a YouTuber. I met a lot of people. And I saw a lot of things that didn't go the way I wanted. Or, I don't want to be like this. In the end, things work out like this. I've had a lot of experience. This has come much stronger than before. Oh, this fat person didn't choose this. This is not what this person wants to do. I think I have too much prejudice. I heard that from Woo Chang-hyun. I took a video. Still, on the one hand, I don't think it's all like that. I keep thinking about it. But now I'm looking back and I'm reflecting a lot. If you look at the novel, Lee Dong-bo, Waitress is talking behind your back. That's right. It's about cursing customers. I brought you something earlier. I was going to bring you the soup. He already ate all the bread. That's what he's talking about. To his co-worker, Waitress. So that's what's going on. At the end of the day, You've been talking behind my back. I think I'm too fat to be loved by a man. And then there's a sentence. Now everything will be different. There's a sentence. He's the one who's been talking behind my back all day. Suddenly, he's my boyfriend. I think I'm too fat to be loved by my husband. The moment I think about it, I can't think differently from before. That's how the novel ends. That's how it ends. As I read the novel, Raymond Carver is a different person from himself. Someone who has a completely different temperament and something. It's a novel that ends with a common experience with that person. I thought it was structurally similar to Daesungdang. Actually, most women think they're fat. I've never met a woman who thinks she's thin enough. Everyone says, No, my arm fat. No, it's because I can't see my thighs. No, my belly fat these days. Everyone says this. Almost everyone I met said that. Except for a few people. I'm afraid I'm going to be like that. That's why people criticize me like this. I'm afraid I'm going to be rude. I'm sure I've felt it in my life. So in that sense, The novel is very Raymond Carver. As I think about it, No matter what position you're in, I thought there might be aspects that I could relate to. Can I ask you to read it? Now, the person who was talking nonsense. I took a shower with water to drink tea. But I thought with one hand on my waist. There are four children. If one of them becomes like that person, If you get that fat, I wonder what's going to happen. Actually, that's not me. It could happen to anyone else. This is what the writer just told me. I went into bed and laid my belly on the edge. But as soon as I turned off the light and came into bed, Luda started. I didn't want to, but I laid down and relaxed. But that's what it was. When he came up to me, I suddenly felt that I was fat. I'm terribly fat. I'm so fat that Rudy is small. I can't even sit properly. Rita says it doesn't make sense. I don't know what she thinks about it. I can tell you don't know. I'm getting depressed. But I'm not going to talk to her about it. I've already told her too much. She's sitting with her elegant fingers touching her hair. What are you waiting for? I want to know. It's August. My life will change. I feel it. You read the last part I told you about. Is there a reason you chose this novel? I feel like it's a novel with two similar contexts. Actually, while I was doing YouTube, I've never thought about it before. When I look in the mirror and say, I think I've gained weight. Or when I look at the screen and get feedback, There's a friend who points it out. Hey, I think you've gained weight. Oh, after watching the Dr. Friends video? You seem to be too careless these days. What should I do? I think like that. My wife is very thin objectively. She always says she has to lose weight. I thought it was a joke in the past, but it was true. That's what I'm thinking. Now that I think I'm trying my best, There's something that's getting stronger. If you try a little bit, you can manage it. Come to think of it, I've always been skinny. I don't gain that much weight. I feel like I'm being stabbed a little bit more. I chose a novel called Ddungbo by Raymond Carver. I don't think there's a lot of people who like their looks perfectly. Especially in Korea, It's too shabby. I think it's too harsh. I think I can feel it when I go abroad. But that's rookies. I think it's a little different from before. I don't know who to blame for this. In the past, when I was a handsome man and a beautiful woman, There was a time when I didn't care about body proportions. And then suddenly, in the late 90s, The word long legs became popular. The head of a cow. He was talking about the size of his head. Later, there's a word called collarbone beauty. It's almost like splitting a person's body. We're not a butcher's shop. I can't blame the people of the Joseon Dynasty for this. I'm sure it wasn't then. We're all taking a step here in modern times. When I think about this, I feel weird. That's right. I don't think anyone is free. I love modern times. I talked about the recommendation of writer Lee Nak-joon. This time, I'm going to talk about Jang Kang-myung's recommendation. Which of the two books did you choose today? I'll start with the thick book below. Why did you choose such a thick book? But it's a really good book. It's not even all of this. This is the first volume. It's a two-volume book. Children Different from Parents It's a book I highly recommend. Just like the title, children different from parents. It's a book about how a child and a parent interviewed thousands of different families. Andrew Solomon is also a minor. I was asked to do this work. And it takes 10 years. The reason I brought this book is because It gives me a lot to think about diversity. I think I can explain some concepts here today. We call it minority. I can divide it into two big ones. Andrew Solomon talks about this. I learned through this book. For example, a race may be a minority. Race or our family culture. These things can be a minority. It can be a minority in society as a whole. The child born in that house. His parents are the same race as him. There's someone in the house who has the same identity as him. My grandfather, my grandmother, up and down like this. There's a minority that has the same identity as me. This is called a vertical identity. But there are times when it doesn't. I'm a minority in society. Even if you're different from your parents. Andrew Solomon is gay. Your parents aren't gay. Most gays don't have gay parents. Parents don't understand their children right now. People who understand the identity of gay. It could be a different gay from afar. This is called a horizontal identity. And a minority with a horizontal identity. It's really painful. Because there's no one around who understands you. Parents can't understand me right now. There are a lot of things like this. Unexpectedly, there are hearing impairments, schizophrenia, autism spectrum disorder. These things come out. There's a minority that we don't expect at all. Shindong. Most parents are not geniuses. So I don't understand my children well. You can have excessive expectations. Or it can hurt your children. Criminals can also be minorities. I'm a young criminal. My parents aren't criminals. There's no one around who understands me. On the contrary, there could be a criminal's child. That's right. There's no one who can understand that he's a criminal's child. It gives me a lot to think about. And I'm a vertical identity right now. I've only told you about horizontal identity. If the disability becomes an identity, Should I treat it with technology? Do I have to do this? It's a question that's not easy to answer. I ask a lot of questions like that. Yes, this book is about children who are different from parents. So, from the children's point of view, It's a situation where there's nowhere to lean on. Parents and children have different positions. There's a conflict in that respect. For example, even if it's a disability, If you're gay, it's easy to understand. A son who relies on the gay community. You could be a bad parent. But, for example, in the case of hearing impairment, From the parents' point of view, I think I need to be treated. From the child's point of view, This is my identity. This is me. Why are you trying to change me? You could say that. There's a difference in positions. It's really unexpected. I think it was a book where you could see each person's position. Is there a reason you chose this book? I don't know how this cultural diversity concept will develop. Personally, I'm very curious. It's a concept that we need to seriously explore. I think it's a book that tells you a lot about the points you need to explore. Someone developed the concept of cultural diversity. If we have a responsibility to continue to develop it, It's going to be a very helpful exchange. That's what I think. You're a doctor of OBGYN. Rather than treating hearing impaired people like that, I want you to recognize this as your identity. Do you have a chance to learn or learn about that? Doctors see sick children. They also see the parents who took care of the sick child. In fact, they are also a very small group. If my child has autism, It's going to be hard for the child. For parents who have autism, There's some kind of benign effect. These days, it's known to be a natural disease. Don't you think there's something wrong with your parents? I don't think that's what happened. They blame themselves. That's what you have to do. There are people around you. I'm actually a small number of parents. They need a lot of consideration, too. Because it's a disease that can't be fixed. It's hard for the child, it's hard for the parents. I've always thought this was the case. I was thinking about it while I was listening. That's right. In this book, There are a lot of positions of parents and families. Can I ask you to read it? Yes, so I'm just in the front. The reason I wrote this book. I've chosen the part that the author will reveal. In 1993, I was asked to do a research on agriculture in the New York Times. At the time, I thought that hearing impairment was just a simple disability. I thought it was nothing more than that. And a few months later, I fell into the world of hearing impairment. Most children with hearing impairments I was born under parents who had no problem with hearing. Their parents often speak. With tremendous efforts in monolingualism, In the world of the deaf, It's a priority to make it work. But in the process, Other aspects of child education are overlooked. Some of the hearing-impaired children are capable of monolingualism. There are children who can speak at a level that others can understand. But in most cases, They lack that ability. So instead of learning history, math, and philosophy, They sit face to face with hearing scientists and linguists. They spend years and years. Most of them reach puberty. They discover the identity of hearing impairment. This discovery is a great sense of liberation. They move to a world where sign language is recognized as a language. They find their true self. The reactions of parents with hearing impairments surrounding this groundbreaking progress are twofold. Some parents accept this progress. Some parents don't. Interestingly, I was used to all of this. In general, gay people are influenced by parents who are not gay. In this case, parents think that their children can be happier if they live as heterosexuals. Sometimes they force their children to take classes. Gay people often discover their identity as gay people in puberty or after that, And they feel great comfort. When I started writing about hearing impairment, Artificial intelligence transplantation, which transmits sound to the brain, was an innovative technology. Parents with hearing impairments welcomed this technology as a miracle cure for severe hearing impairment. Hearing-impaired groups criticized the active hearing-impaired community for genocide. Even though both sides have resorted to exaggerated expressions, this issue has become more complicated. Yes, it's a very complicated issue. I think there are many things to think about. I was very impressed by one of the statements that you read. The chairman of the Jeonmi-Yusegin Community Development Association said this. If we adopt the prejudice of a certain group, we will adopt the prejudice of all other groups. It doesn't matter if that person is my younger brother or anyone else. I couldn't tolerate a human relationship where the condition of excluding a certain person was put forward. We are all in the same fight, and we all have the same freedom. The common sense that people who are in a similar fight feel. When a member of the New York State Republican Party found out that his child had a disability, he said that he had a different opinion about the gay community. I think this book is meaningful in that respect. Let's move on to the next book. What is the next book? It's Junparaili's Jeojidae. I thought it would be okay to read it in terms of cultural diversity in a place that talks about cultural diversity. Junparaili, the author, was born in an immigrant family, immigrated when he was young, and became an adult and immigrated again. He wrote this novel in English, and he wrote it in his mother tongue. At some point, he stopped writing in English and started writing novels in Italian. He says he doesn't have a mother tongue. If a writer named Junparaili says that he is a cultural diversity or a diaspora writer, that would be a narrow interpretation, but it's hard to say no. In the novel, the main characters immigrate from India to the U.S., and there are scenes where they suffer because of cultural differences. It's not the only book that comes out. But what I'm trying to read is a story that doesn't have much to do with the overall theme or story of the novel. It's a scene from an episode like Sapa. The main character, a man, is an immigrant from India. He meets an American woman for a while and has a conversation with her. The description of the scene is that the person who immigrated has to get used to the language and customs that he doesn't know, and act as much as other people do. He must be very lonely when he lives with such a handicap. It would be okay if he had a sociable and outgoing personality, but there are people like me who are introverted. I think he must be really lonely. We meet people like that even if we don't immigrate. He's very lonely, but he doesn't know when he sees people outside. It's not like he's being discriminated against. It's not like he's being violent against immigrants. It's a very lonely and difficult situation just to be yourself. At that time, a man and a woman meet. The scene where the two of them talk about their loneliness is well described. I thought we could do this much. I thought it was a beautiful scene to talk about. It's time for us to wrap up. I think we should wrap up today's talk here. How did you two feel today? How did you feel, Nakjun? As I thought at first, I was in a position to learn a lot. If I go somewhere else, I might be saying what Jang Kang-myung and Kim Kyung-hoon said. I might say, Is that mine? It was a very rewarding, informative, and enjoyable time. It was a very enjoyable and informative time for me, too. I didn't know I'd be talking so deeply. It wasn't that long, but I feel like I'm suddenly getting close to the people here. I'll see you again. Let's wrap up the talk here. Thank you for coming today. I'll wrap it up.