Parenting Teens: Especially During Holidays! - Cele's Reflection

Welcome to Seller's Reflection. It's yet another Wednesday, so Seller's Reflection time. And today I have a guest with me, guys. This is the one you'll love. It's like the other parenting kids. That one was. Thank you so much for your feedback, by the way, on all the episodes we've done. Thank you so much. In case you want to come and be my guest, this is the email. And we are on Spotify. So, before we start, I'd like to welcome Seller's Reflection. Feel at home. Yeah, so tell us your name so that we can start. Okay. Yes. Thank you, Sele, for having me. And thank you for the audience that is about to watch this amazing show. My name is Winnie Nasiku-Pere. I am a psychologist. I have a private practice firm called Nasieku Therapy. We are on Instagram. Anything you need, you'll find us there. We deal with everything matters therapy. And today I am Celeste's guest. And I am looking forward to delve into the topic we are about to have. Thank you so much. Thank you so much. You've heard it. So today it's going to be amazing. So welcome. We love guests. We love sharing knowledge. So today we're going to hear from you, and we want to discuss about parenting teens. We're on holiday, kids are at home, teens are at home, high school students have come from Form 1. We know it's not an easy job, parenting. I haven't reached teens, but at least to the level that I am in, I know it's not easy. So how do we deal with these teens? First of all, there's social media. Let's start there. Let's start there with social media. Let's get into it. So you see, me as a mom, I'm on TikTok. Then my teen is on TikTok. My babies are on TikTok. So how do we find this balance between you as a parent and your teens? Okay, thank you for that. So social media is here to stay. Social media is becoming a lifestyle and we have to do the parenting with it. So it is for us to know how much is too much and at what point do we say it's time to put your phone away. First of all, the main thing I can say is it's best if we all try not to lose the main thing which is family time. So even if you're on social media, let the family time be one paramount thing that doesn't leave the moment social media checks in. So how do we do parenting with social media? We do it. Together we bring it so you parent and you do social media. I don't think we are in a place where we can say that my child cannot be on TikTok because even if they are not on TikTok inside your house, outside their house, they will be another different personality and they will be on TikTok. So to answer your question, parenting and social media, they have to go concurrently. It is here with us to stay. It is just us to know how much is too much. Yes. So I love that you've said social media is here to stay. Yes. Personally, I love social media because that's where I get my bread and butter. Yes. So social media to me, I'll be very happy to teach Tugi social media. Like this is how it's done, Baba. This is how you create content. These are the, what do you call it, transitions. Yes. These are the filters. Yes. Like if it's going to help him, I love it from where I come from. Yeah. Where do we get that balance? And remember, we are talking about teens. I know teens are not like my little child that I will put on YouTube for kids. Or that I can put some limits. So these teens, Now where do we get that balance? Okay. Okay. Yes. I can start by maybe defining what teen is. Okay. Teen is between... Slightly, almost from 10 to way above, almost 20, 20 something. So the teenagers are like divided in three segments. There is the early teenagehood, there is the middle teenagehood, and there is the late. So each particular segment of teen has its own difficulty. Each particular segment, those three, three, what do I call them? The segments? Yeah. Yes. Those groups. Those groups, they all have their own challenges. Thank you. It's like you're a different parent to each particular age set, you know? A parent to a 12-year-old is a different parent to an 18-year-old, a 19-year-old. Because the parent of a 12-year-old, the 12-year-old still needs to be reminded, you need to take your medicine, let me take you to the doctor. But the 19-year-old needs to be, doesn't need to be reminded. It's upon them to know that my dentist appointment is here and I need to go. So if you're seeing, you're reminding your 19-year-old that the dentist said you should be here on this day, there's a problem. But if you see yourself reminding your 12-year-old, you are in the right. You are in the right. Where are you supposed to be, you know? So, yeah. So now they're at home. And you've said, you started by saying family time. We have to be very intentional with family time. Yeah. And because I'm not too clear on this. Yes. Daddy is there. He's on social media. Yeah. The truth. We all know we're supposed to create time for that. Yeah. But everybody is on their gadgets. Yeah. Teens, can you give them a call? Yeah. I don't know. Yes, I can. That's what I'm trying to say. It's okay. They have. It is okay. At what age, by the way? I don't have a cure for 12. I once heard someone say that their greatest regret was giving their child a phone before 18. But I feel like the way the world is going, at some point that phone must come. Because school's assignment is coming. Thank you. At some point they need to, your child has left the country and they need to connect. How will you, will you still decide that because your child is outside the country, stamp her a SIM? No, at some point you'll have to. It is just part of us. It is us to learn how to live with it. So it's you to weigh. It is you to weigh. It is you as the parent to weigh. Yes, yes. It's not like we tell you that when you reach that age. Yes, and everyone knows their own child. True. Yes. I love that. Everyone knows their own child. So we are told to have your intention on your parent time bonding. So is it, so like now our parent time, for example, this is not me, but we have a family and we are doing a challenge for TikTok. Is that okay? Is that parents? Is that family time? Because that's what we do at the table. Who does daddy work? Is that family time? You know, family time is anything that is making you see your child laugh. And you're the one who is the cause of the laughter, you know? You see, when someone is on TikTok in that corner, Instagram in this corner, everyone is in their own house, but you're not together, you know? But what is family time? Family time is when you say... Today, let's do that challenge. Everybody is involved one way or another. I once saw another, should have been somewhere. During dinner, when it's dinner time, the lady comes with a basket to collect all the phones. So that at dinner time is when I'm able to ask you, how was your day? Mommy, you look so tired, you know? How, what is, what are you going through right now? Is when you're able to hear people and you're able to hear your own family members. So I decided that I'll take that up. But I haven't picked up my phone yet. Yes. Okay, I love that because, yeah, maybe they're just doing it. We watch those videos, we are the ones who watch them, we are the ones who are in charge of it. So right now they are back. Tango went to Form 1 on April holiday. So you want to get your baby talking. Maybe he hasn't spoken to you yet. But you have to... If a man has met someone at home... I don't know if I'm the one who was... I'll give him this episode. So we met at the beginning of the walk. So I remembered Form 1. So I asked him questions. So how are you? Fine. Did you get into drama? No. I want him to start a convo, but there's no conversation. Like, we walked to a place where you were dead silent. Like, let's just walk. I don't want him to ask me because he's putting me off. Or I don't know his personality. So how can I get, are there ways that these parents, we can do to our teens, just to start a conversation? Just to know what it is, like, how you're feeling. Okay. You see? Teenagers, when that particular, let's call it a decade, it is a very... It has a lot. You are sweating all of a sudden. Your face has acne. Can you... You want to smell good. You are all of a sudden conscious that there's this boy who's told you you're pretty. There's so many things happening all at a go. You get? So all those things, when they're happening all at a go, they're happening physically, but more in your mind. So in that teenager's mind, their mind is one of the main... It's the one that is working more, you know. And for them, fear and shame are normally the topmost feelings in that particular decade, you know. So your question was, as a person, how can I be able to engage more with a teenager? The first thing, we used to notice our parents, any time you tell them something, two seconds later, they've called their sister or their aunt. And it is you, the topic. One week later, that weekend when you go, you're the joke of the family gathering. You get, so what am I saying? Number one, you need to make it safe that your children know you are a safe space. You know, that I know that if I tell mommy this thing, she will die with it. Like she's able to say, your teenager is able to come and say that. I've talked to mom and I know it won't go beyond. To a point I've had scenarios where They say maybe it's our mother, the child has come in for therapy and they'd say don't tell dad and it won't get to dad or don't tell mom and it won't get to mom. That particular parent has made it safe for the child to know that you can always come and tell me And it will end with me. you know so the moment your teenager knows that It will stay with me and I will tell you don't tell anybody. Have you created a safe environment? Yes, you have. You have created a safe environment. Another thing you can do is... But let me say, let me ask. But I can say it will stay with me and I go ahead and ask a mummy friend. Yeah. But on the low key, don't tell anyone. Don't tell anyone. Because you see there are things I will feel like, let me ask. Yeah. Because my daughter, you know. I don't know what she said. You know, or something. You know, where your child will be wondering, Mom, I told you this in secret. You should have just kept quiet. Okay. Yes. The other thing is? The other thing you can do is, try as a parent, you can try to listen more. You know? You see, you're raising a very different generation. And there's something that that generation knows that you don't know. You see, the moment you start listening to that child, you are able to know. How is their decision-making? You know, that is where you'll know, if I'm going to guide this child, I'll use a direction gun, you know? Because if you're always talking, talking, talking, you never get to know, how does my child think? You know, is my child, are they, if it's crossing the road, do they actually pay attention or they just cross? But you can't be able to know all that if you're always the one talking, talking. Remember, teenagers are very, they have a block. So they can actually allow you to talk. And once you're done, they'll go back to your room. You get? But if you allow them, if you are in a position of sitting and listening, you know, you'll be able to trust that child's decision making. I'll give you an example. I once had someone tell me that. Uh... I asked them, how is your child doing? How come you've not gone to see them? And they're like, no, because I trust their decision making. It means that parent was able to sit with that child for long enough to know that no matter where this child goes. I trust their decision-making. They can't do anything to harm themselves. Does that make sense? Yeah, that makes sense. Yes. I think another thing as parents we can do is... Try to learn. You see the way you're saying about challenges? It's about the TikTok challenges. I think it's not only you who is going to see it and see the challenge on TikTok. Even them, they're on social media. They're seeing the challenge. There's a challenge I saw where mommy and daddy sit and then the children are asked, who gives more money? They point, you know. They put you inside. That was saying in a basin of water. Yes. Who is the toughest? They push mommy. It's like they're punishing mommy. Yes, you know. When you are in a position to learn about your child, you know, you're in a position to learn more. Let me give you another example. You come home and say, hey, I'm stressed about this client. And then you ask your child, how do you deal with stress? And then you pay attention. It's not like you're expecting your child to advise you, but you're able to learn. If this child is under stress, what to do? You know, you are learning more. And while at it, it is like you're trying to build this conversation. See, the question here is, how can you open up the conversation with the teens who are blocked? You know, I think another thing we can say is, when they make a mistake, because this particular age is like an outcast, quote unquote, to some degree, they can make you annoyed, you know. And when they make you annoyed, what is it that you tell this child? Do you say, you are like this. Do you devalue this particular child? So when you're correcting, is it possible to correct the mistake but don't devalue the child? Hey, that is hard. Because your parents will go, oh, you're doing like... Like they hurt your feelings. So you're just hurt. You feel like a malessa. Exactly. So how should I correct that kid? Like an example. Yes. For example, the child, these children can make crazy... I just have Yombo. Yes. Okay, hajaosha vyombo. Mm. Is it that you've walked in early? Uliku umesema ziyoshe sana, ane? Exactly. Ulembua uoshe vyombo leo. Yes. Ulembua uoshe vyombo leo, you know? And hajaosha. Hajaosha. Our parents, you would not know that how Joshua Viombo, slippers from the other side is what would have reminded you who Joshua Viombo, you get? But we are raising a very different generation. The moment you hit them with that slippers, immediately it turns from, my mom is abusive. I have a toxic mom, you know? It turns to that, you get? So how can you do it different? To me, what I would say you do different is, why don't you stop and ask? What's your plan on the viombo? Because it's your responsibility. And then they will give you a plan. And then trust that they've had, you know. But my nini was, before I go back and wash the viombo, so what's your plan? Yeah, what's your plan? It's actually a question you can ask. What's your plan? Unapangaji. So what I said was... No, maybe they had assignments they're catching up on. Okay. You get? Maybe there was the... I don't think that there's that leniency to that degree. But this particular age, you can't beat a 19-year-old. True. You know, there's... And like I've said, you're raising a very different generation. They, this particular generation here, these days, is very outspoken. You know, it is very outspoken. It expresses, let me say, it is expressive. Wataji express, you know? So, do you want to have a quiet child in the house that the only time they express, you hit? Because you're saying, una, una, you know, just as if we expressed ourselves and say, una, you are told, una ni. You're arguing with me, you're arguing with me, you know, you're arguing with me, you know, is it that, are you still there, where when the child is trying to express themselves, you're still in the place of, why are you arguing with me? Most of us, we are still there, because we're using that, you know, the Kenyan parents, as you went to the market, unfortunately, most of us, we are trying to learn these new things. Yeah, yeah. I know my mother used to say, if you hear him coming, you're going to fall into that sink. There's no time to express yourself. Yes. See, that's how things work. Yes. So, we are trying to change, which is... Yeah, but while you're trying to change, what is it that you're doing? Have you taken care of your own projections? You know, are you in therapy? You know, are you healing? Because you could be projecting. To that child, you know, on that child. Every time they refuse to do viombo, you're checking in, so instead of checking in as Sele, you check in as Mama Sele. And you start throwing words, you know, and then immediately the child is feeling some type of way, they're wondering, kweni, nini na kwanga shida ya mam? You see, or they say, Mam always comes home annoyed. But you as a parent, what are you doing to heal yourself? Because we were also in a different generation from our parents. We have a lot of healing to do, you know, from words. You know, words, you are wounded with words. Us, we didn't think kuchapwa is toxic, but we were wounded from words. You know, some of the things that you as a person went through, you've seen cases where you're told, you know, where a child is told, and just because... Probably went through, your mum had gone through something, you know. So as a parent, what are you doing? How much effort are you making in yourself, you know? I have seen parents who've checked into therapy and immediately they start, because they are self-aware enough, it's hard for them for their anger to be triggered. It's hard for them to deal with a child bitterly. You know, it's hard for them to... They're parenting with a lot of love. Does that make sense? Yes, yes. Now things have changed. Yes, now things have changed. So I feel like we all need this therapy. We do. We do. Because the majority of us, we have that... Yes. I will beat you up and I will beat you up. So now that they're at home, we have seen... Because there's a way these teens now, I hope I have a few teens who are watching, there's how they tend to deal with these things. So you hit her, you hit her, she's dead. Like, she doesn't talk, she doesn't say anything. Of course this baby has been hurt. You've hurt his feelings, so you've made him feel useless. You've said that he needs fear and shame. So you've hurt his feelings, and they're gone. And you've beaten him in front of people, and he's been hurt. He doesn't have a phone at the stage. When they come out, it's like the world is different. The world is different from where you were. That's how these kids project these feelings. How can we? What are some of these ways that we can spot? It's about in wangu, when you behave, something is wrong. I will speak from the one that I've seen on my desk very often. There's this thing called self-harm, where the child or the teenager is harming themselves to remove those feelings from inside to somewhere. Any wichungu itokendani, it's somewhere they can see. So some of the things they can see is you can see your child is cutting themselves. piercing themselves, biting their skin, yes like on the skin they are burning themselves i've had one who's burning themselves you know the point is to remove the feeling you know the pain how does that feel It's painful. Is there a panadol that can cure the heartbreak? There's some more pain that could live inside to come outside, you know? That's the same thing. You know, they are wishing that emotional heaviness to live outside to come somewhere. So what they do is it's like they are transferring the pain to the skin. So that's why you would see a child, they don't want to show their skin. You know, all of a sudden they hate the things that they used to do. They hate swimming because it's exposing their skin where they've cut themselves. They've withdrawn. They just stay in their room. They don't want anything. You see, I've seen one where it should be called, it's called digital self-harm, where you go online and you abuse yourself to see who is going to stand up for me. It's a thing. You just want to see who will stand up for you. So you have a pseudo-account where you body-shame yourself. And then to see which friend of mine is going to come and speak for me. So what happens if nobody speaks for you? Because we know how the social media is. Yes, immediately you start feeling, I'm not loved. This is for real. Now I'm not loved. Nobody cares. Nobody notices. Who is noticing I'm crying? In fact, mum is too busy on her phone. She doesn't know I'm crying up in the room. So, yes, your question was what are some of the ways... So once you see such things, at least as a parent, you know there's something that is amiss. Yes, yes. And the moment you notice that, your child has stopped enjoying things that they love doing. It's not time to say, Naskwizi, you may change. It's not time to trivialize them, you know. There's a better way. We normally call it refreshing. There's a better way you can mention your concern without trivializing the feeling, you see. You can say something like, I have noticed that these days you don't like going for swimming anymore. I wonder if there's something making you not enjoy. You say your squeeze you may change. Mm-mm, see squeeze you may change. Squeeze you may change, you make the world go up. And now they decide that mom will not notice I've changed. I'll just get out, I'll carry my clothes, but I'll never swim. They get? Yes. So if you're more specific... If you're more specific, yes. You don't even come down, we eat dinner together. I don't know what I'm going to do with my life. By the way you're saying it, you're not saying it, it's like everybody else is better than you. It's like she's the problem. It's like she's the problem, that's the word, you know. You're just trying to refresh, to show the teenager that, you know what, I think I'm noticing a change. And remember we said go in for therapy, you as a parent. Heal, and the moment you start having these conversations, your child is seeing she's safe. I'm safe with, I'm able to tell her I need help. Or, shule nabuliwa. Or, I'm not, I don't feel like myself lately. I feel nime, I don't know how my body looks, you know? Yeah. I don't know if you're going to block WhatsApp status. We could block. Kublokiwa, I'm going to stay blocked, but. What I believe is, you see, for example, if your teenager is in therapy, they will probably not block their therapist. Because their therapist is there, he has a status, and he is a safe space. That'd be so. Most of the DMs that come from the teenagers, they don't come in during the day. They come in at 5 o'clock, 7 o'clock, because that's when they sit and reflect. Then they ask you a very random question. Do you think I have a problem? Or something like, I don't think my friends like me anymore. Wow. And, you know, these conversations with teenagers, they are never heard. They have never had, like, in such a formal setting, kuja, we used to get as an example, kuja, tugi, tukai apa, ati sasa ongea na mimi. It will never happen. It won't. It won't happen. Lakini when you're in your car and you're taking a drive, unajua... That's when they... Yes, because first of all, kumbuka, anajua macho yako, hauta mpea a weird look. Kwa kwa baraba. Kwa kwa baraba. E, eto, radumia ni maskio. You know? And that is where... Na, ukiambiwa vitu, sisa ya kushtuka. Digest tu. You know, just keep digesting, you know. So, these conversations, they never come. What have, it's something, I'm saying from what I have noticed. Even in therapy, when we talk, and you realize how painful, you're not getting into this chat. But you don't WhatsApp. But you don't WhatsApp. You get a very random text. I think I need to come in tomorrow. And you're wondering, what's going on? Oh, I think I forgot to mention something. Or they send you a photo of how they've been harming themselves, and you're like, what's this? What am I looking at? Because you don't want to assume what you're looking at. You probably are supposed to be looking at the photo behind that hand. Not that smart. Not that, yes. Wow. Yeah. So I feel like there's the self-harm that I didn't know. I didn't know, I swear. I don't know if it was there during our times. At times, you were running away. It's It's like what we are doing nowadays, a man is stressed and he goes to beat up two or three people. Yes, yes. But what do they do? Them, they can't show up drunk. They are not even allowed to buy their alcohol, maybe. Yeah, they are not. So that's what they are doing. That's what they do. So now that they are at home, the kids are at home, the teens are at home, the parents, well, they are still working. What is that one thing you can tell them? To bring them together. Because we are struggling. And we are busy working. But after school, we will see next time. So really, will we get time too? Even spot some of these things. We are intentional. We know. We are woke. We know we are intentional. So we are trying to get time with them. But we want to do something that we can do at least to find a place for them to go back to school and say, Hey, this holiday is over and the husband has changed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I think it was you on your stories. I saw a parent who came with a child at the gym. It was on your stories, yes. It is. Yeah. So, the teenagers we were talking about, most of the time, because it's this age, nika inasumbua. You know, but when we change our perception on them, because this is your child, you can't throw away your child and start being more involving, you know, in their own activities. You know, you involve yourself in your own activities and you involve them in your own activities. You know, so that way, number one, you'll be able to spend more hours. With them, the moment you, let's say, assuming during this shoot and they're here and they've been told something like, hold for me the microphone or help me with the setup, they've seen what's a day in mom's life like, you know? So when mom comes home tired, this is what she means. Then all of a sudden, the next day you come home and they know that your day looks like this. They are more accommodating and they remove, they change their perception from. Mami, I think I understand what's it being you, you know? When you stay home and decide, I'm staying home to spend time with you, there's nothing wrong with watching a movie together. You know, of course, you preview the movie so that you don't get your awkward moments. There's nothing wrong with watching a movie. Thank you. It's not fun being an, quote-unquote, old parent. Play football with your child. Do outside activities away from being online, away from being on your phone. I have seen something on social media where people buy something that you paint word by word. I don't know if you've seen it. There's something, it's like a diagram, then it comes with the paintings, yes. And then it comes with very many numbers. And then number one, two, three is supposed to go colour orange. Yeah, I've seen it, yeah. So it brings a lot of concentration and a lot of... You guys have found time to do it. So you're able to involve each other, you know. When you're making... Let's say pancakes. Ask them, by the way, how do you like your pancakes done? You say, oh, do you know anything about pancakes? And then they say, yeah, me, I'd like mine. Situ kule zako leo. And then in the kitchen, you're able to catch up more, you know? So some of the things you can do. The holiday is big. I don't think viewing your own child as, ayayaya, this holiday is great, is an option. You don't have that option, you know? Change your own perception as a parent and decide that I think this is the best time to have my child. I've not had them. I don't know who they've become. I don't know the changes they've undergone. But I'm ready to experience all these changes. The moment you change your perception about that, immediately you're in a more accommodative state as a parent. So when they come in, even the atmosphere in that house is different. You know, because they're saying, Mom is ready for me. I mean, and... I think parenting goes beyond, I'm able to buy you the best thing. It goes to, mom is actually able to see me. I once had a client who told me she feels invisible in the house. Like, everything is provided, but for her, she's invisible. And I asked her, how did you learn that? And they said, I have, I think they had a tattoo somewhere, and the parents had never seen it. And, I mean, would you miss a tattoo on Tugi? It's hard for you to miss. By the time you're getting to miss, to miss a tattoo, for sure that child feels invisible. The only time you're seeing them is when you tell them, um, umekonda, or, you know, the only time is when you're, the only time they're visible to you is when they've made a mistake or they're not who you expect them to be, you know. So, this holiday, the one thing I'd urge parents is, can we change our, number one, how we view. Our teenagers, you know. And then the second thing, let's be practically available. I know we are making money, but... Busy making. Busy making money. And I mean, if they lacked that phone, they'll wonder, the way they normally say, when people are stealing land, where are you? Where are you? You know, so they'll start asking in a few years, if you don't make the money, that is the question. But the moment you show them, this is what my day looks like, you can come with me. And today I'm staying with you at home. I want to see how your day looks like. They'll tell you, I'm going to watch a movie. I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. So be in each other's lives intentionally. Not to step on each other, but be happy in each other's lives. Teenage is fun. I mean, it's the Gen Z that we have. They are fun people, you know. However, unless you change your perception about them. If you don't change your perception, they'll be annoying to you. But if you change your perception and decide, let me learn today, like what's it being you, then it will be better. I love that one. Change your perception. Because Aki, I think that's where most of us are. How many weeks do you open school? Four weeks. Four weeks. All those. Four weeks. You give us four weeks. Like you're tired on a week one, day one. Because your mind is showing you a child now. Instead of seeing it as the other way, we can go for a family holiday. Like instead of looking for activities for those four weeks, you're already tired. You can stay with them. I love that. Thank you so much. But now there's... After, after you've done all this, and maybe now you want to see you, I want to come and see you, because maybe I feel like... I need my baby to WhatsApp you at night. I need my baby to have someone who she can call anytime. You might be telling me, but I can't help it. You might also want me to have someone to discuss as a team. He told you, and I have been doing it. So how can they come to you and reach you? Those are the special ones. Yeah. Yeah. Alright, thank you for that. All right. I will give my number. You'll write it. It will be down here. That's nice. You guys give it. Down here. Yeah. And then... And then on social media, I go by Nasieku Therapy, actually across all social media platforms. We have You're on TikTok? Yes, I'm on TikTok, I'm on Instagram, I'm on Facebook, Facebook, and everywhere, Nasieku Therapy. That's how you'll find me. And then we have the individual therapy, where that's one-on-one. We have couples therapy, that is you and your partner. We have something we call the Relationship Therapy Program. This one goes for eight weeks, and it doesn't matter whether you're married or you're dating. You come, we have conversations on intimacy, trust, conflict, everything. There are 30 conversations, everything involving a relationship. And I have seen it work because at the end of the day, after those 30, the next time you guys are going to have a conflict, you know what to do because you have a resource. And then the other thing we do is we have something we call the High Value Woman Conversation. This one in particular is for women. They go for three sessions where you, it's like you're doing an inside. You see, women are perfect in the outside. But inside, you can find someone is bitter, is this and that, you know. So it's like you're doing an inside check-in to say that, I want to be this kind. I don't want to be aggressive. You know, even if I'm aggressive, I want it to come a bit, you know. So it's called the High Value Woman Conversation. It is a three-session conversation. Another thing we do is we do the corporate counselling. So the high value, and I think I'm interested in that. Three sessions, you mean? We are done in a week. We are done in a week. Just three sessions? Just three sessions. You can come in Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and you've done a lot for checking inside. Welcome for that one. You're welcome. You know, you're able to do, you know, those values inside. And, you know, after that, you're able to know, am I a bitter woman? Am I angry? You know, how do I just make myself better? Even if I'm well outside, your inside needs to be best. And that was... That is what makes people pop, you know. We have the corporate counselling where we help people with stress management and burnout and anything that involves work. Another thing we have is we have the group therapy. We are trying to create an online community for online support for teens, young adults, even the older ones, where they are able to know this is my support group. I'm sure you see the support groups when you watch movies, Zamaju. Because most people are not around, we can do it online. Another thing we have is, I have a YouTube channel and I want Spotify. We fight. Yeah. Yes, that one is called Therapist Desk today. So there, I get a topic, I discuss it, and in Wholesome, you're able to listen, you're able to understand, and if you have any questions, you can leave the questions, or you can always call me. Yes, and we offer rehabilitation services. Yes, for anyone who has drug problems, and rehabilitation is not only drugs, rehabilitation is sex. If you feel like you need a minute from social media, yes, we offer those kind of services. Wow. Yes. You offer a lot of services. A lot. We are a whole. Wow. Thank you so much. So I'm sure everybody has seen where you fit in. If there's a part you felt I fit in there, like that three, that's where I fit in. You fit in. I would love to come for that. I'll slide you down. You'll slide. Later. Thank you so much for coming. And thank you for even... Come in to grace our show for your time. We thank you so much. And I know that knowledge, whatever you've said, it won't go away. It won't go away. There's someone, including me, when I get to teenage, I know what to look out for. And at least I have someone from Kenya. A new one from Kenya. A new one from Kenya. Not the one for our parents. I'm currently mastering clinical psychology at Leicester. And I know the knowledge is even going to be wider and better. Yes, because parenting has no manual. It is. It never stops. So after teens, we go to... Young adults. Young adults. And then we come to us. We come to us. So our moms are still parenting us. Yes, they are still parenting. We go to these 20s where you are just living life on the highway. And then you check into your 30s where you're wondering, did I waste time? Was it the best thing I did? Is the one who got children earlier better? By the way, is there something like wasting time? I don't know. I think it depends. I feel like as long as you've gotten the experience, what did you learn? Yeah, there's no wasting time. There's no wasting time, you know? There's no wasting time. Whatever you did, you learned something from that. You did not waste time. It becomes wasting time the moment you start comparing yourself. With other people, yes. It's when you feel like, did I, you know? I think we're going to waste time here. We're going to do that. Which is the right time to get married? Which time is the right time to... Anyway, thank you for coming. Thank you so much, Celia, for having me. Thank you for watching, guys. See you next week on Celia's Reflection. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.